If TJ has such smart kids, why so much cheating?

[Anonymous]

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Ruthless families cheat to get in. Why would it stop once their striver gets in?

And since they put an end to the exam buying TJ is far less toxic.

I don't think it is any more or less toxic but it is definitely less stressful because there are so many mediocre students to fill up the bottom of the curve.

Oh no! You got it all wrong. Previously, these kids were totally mediocre and only got in because they had access to the test, but now they pick the top kids from all schools. It's much much MUCH better and less toxic!

And yet all the objective data says otherwise.
The median PSAT score drops over 100 points.
Virginia Math Olympiad winners are no longer just at TJ
The TJ Math department sends out emails expressing disappointment at poor math scores.
The student body under the new admissions process is significantly less capable than previous classes.
On the plus side, I suspect it is in fact less stressful now that so many mediocre students are there to fill up the bottom of the curve.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Title has the question?

Ruthless families cheat to get in. Why would it stop once their striver gets in?

And since they put an end to the exam buying TJ is far less toxic.

I don't think it is any more or less toxic but it is definitely less stressful because there are so many mediocre students to fill up the bottom of the curve.

Oh no! You got it all wrong. Previously, these kids were totally mediocre and only got in because they had access to the test, but now they pick the top kids from all schools. It's much much MUCH better and less toxic!

And yet all the objective data says otherwise.
The median PSAT score drops over 100 points.
Virginia Math Olympiad winners are no longer just at TJ
The TJ Math department sends out emails expressing disappointment at poor math scores.
The student body under the new admissions process is significantly less capable than previous classes.
On the plus side, I suspect it is in fact less stressful now that so many mediocre students are there to fill up the bottom of the curve.

You're just confusing the fallout from COVID which has had an impact across the board everywhere. When you adjust for that you can clearly see TJ is stronger than ever today.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title has the question?

Ruthless families cheat to get in. Why would it stop once their striver gets in?

And since they put an end to the exam buying TJ is far less toxic.

I don't think it is any more or less toxic but it is definitely less stressful because there are so many mediocre students to fill up the bottom of the curve.

Oh no! You got it all wrong. Previously, these kids were totally mediocre and only got in because they had access to the test, but now they pick the top kids from all schools. It's much much MUCH better and less toxic!

And yet all the objective data says otherwise.
The median PSAT score drops over 100 points.
Virginia Math Olympiad winners are no longer just at TJ
The TJ Math department sends out emails expressing disappointment at poor math scores.
The student body under the new admissions process is significantly less capable than previous classes.
On the plus side, I suspect it is in fact less stressful now that so many mediocre students are there to fill up the bottom of the curve.

You're just confusing the fallout from COVID which has had an impact across the board everywhere. When you adjust for that you can clearly see TJ is stronger than ever today.

This link leads to the Virginia testing statistics

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/data-policy-funding/data-reports/statistics-reports/sol-test-pass-rates-other-results
On the latest report for 2022-2023 school test by test, you will see test results for the 2020-2021 school year through the 2022-2023 school year
Line 8388-8398 are the SOL results for TJ.
Almost every high school with advance pass rates to report saw increases in advance pass rates in math from 2020-2023 as they recovered from COVID but TJ saw a significant drop from the 2020-2021 year to the 2021-2022 year. It's about the only high school in Virginia that saw this.

So perhaps I'm not coinfused.
Perhaps you are getting your information from someone that is trying to make excuses for really bad test results at TJ.

Also the PSAT scores did not have significant drops at other schools like langley and mclean between the class of 2024 and the class of 2025.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title has the question?

Ruthless families cheat to get in. Why would it stop once their striver gets in?

And since they put an end to the exam buying TJ is far less toxic.

I don't think it is any more or less toxic but it is definitely less stressful because there are so many mediocre students to fill up the bottom of the curve.

Oh no! You got it all wrong. Previously, these kids were totally mediocre and only got in because they had access to the test, but now they pick the top kids from all schools. It's much much MUCH better and less toxic!

And yet all the objective data says otherwise.
The median PSAT score drops over 100 points.
Virginia Math Olympiad winners are no longer just at TJ
The TJ Math department sends out emails expressing disappointment at poor math scores.
The student body under the new admissions process is significantly less capable than previous classes.
On the plus side, I suspect it is in fact less stressful now that so many mediocre students are there to fill up the bottom of the curve.

You're just confusing the fallout from COVID which has had an impact across the board everywhere. When you adjust for that you can clearly see TJ is stronger than ever today.

How would COVID lead to the Virginia mth olympiad winners no longer being TJ students?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title has the question?

Ruthless families cheat to get in. Why would it stop once their striver gets in?

And since they put an end to the exam buying TJ is far less toxic.

I don't think it is any more or less toxic but it is definitely less stressful because there are so many mediocre students to fill up the bottom of the curve.

Oh no! You got it all wrong. Previously, these kids were totally mediocre and only got in because they had access to the test, but now they pick the top kids from all schools. It's much much MUCH better and less toxic!

And yet all the objective data says otherwise.
The median PSAT score drops over 100 points.
Virginia Math Olympiad winners are no longer just at TJ
The TJ Math department sends out emails expressing disappointment at poor math scores.
The student body under the new admissions process is significantly less capable than previous classes.
On the plus side, I suspect it is in fact less stressful now that so many mediocre students are there to fill up the bottom of the curve.

You're just confusing the fallout from COVID which has had an impact across the board everywhere. When you adjust for that you can clearly see TJ is stronger than ever today.

How would COVID lead to the Virginia mth olympiad winners no longer being TJ students?

In the most important and widely participated math competition, AMC 10, TJ used to have almost all Top 10 scoring students in Virginia for at least the 5 prior years before the admissions changes.

The first year the class of 2025 was admitted with new admissions policies, none of the top 10 AMC 10 A scoring students were from TJ and only 1 of the top AMC 10B was from TJ. This is data that is published on AMC website and is still available for past years but were stopped from that year, possibly because of DEI issues.

How can you go from having all the top 10 every year to not having anyone?

Someone will jump in and say, TJ is not just taking top math kids or maybe they dont know how to write essays or some such nonsense. When you are numerically challenged it is understandable. An important part of being a STEM school is that pesky "M" in STEM. There is a reason why colleges place so much emphasis on "M".

[Anonymous]

I would note in the above that I was talking specifically for the 9th grade class in AMC 10A.

So if you want to verify, filter the top 10 Virginia students in AMC 10A who are in 9th grade only. This is because there are 10th grade students also taking the test. These 10th grade students from TJ were selected prior to the admission changes.

We are looking at the performance of the 9th grade cohort across the last several years, which would isolate the impact of admission changes as seen through the AMC math competition.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title has the question?

Ruthless families cheat to get in. Why would it stop once their striver gets in?

And since they put an end to the exam buying TJ is far less toxic.

I don't think it is any more or less toxic but it is definitely less stressful because there are so many mediocre students to fill up the bottom of the curve.

Oh no! You got it all wrong. Previously, these kids were totally mediocre and only got in because they had access to the test, but now they pick the top kids from all schools. It's much much MUCH better and less toxic!

And yet all the objective data says otherwise.
The median PSAT score drops over 100 points.
Virginia Math Olympiad winners are no longer just at TJ
The TJ Math department sends out emails expressing disappointment at poor math scores.
The student body under the new admissions process is significantly less capable than previous classes.
On the plus side, I suspect it is in fact less stressful now that so many mediocre students are there to fill up the bottom of the curve.

You're just confusing the fallout from COVID which has had an impact across the board everywhere. When you adjust for that you can clearly see TJ is stronger than ever today.

How would COVID lead to the Virginia mth olympiad winners no longer being TJ students?

That's easy. The prep center was shutdown during COVID so these kids are less prepared than before.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Title has the question?

It starts with the parents. They pay for enrichment, where kids learn and gain access to test questions to appear gifted despite being fairly average. They learn that winning by any means is fine, and that's where it starts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title has the question?

Ruthless families cheat to get in. Why would it stop once their striver gets in?

And since they put an end to the exam buying TJ is far less toxic.

I don't think it is any more or less toxic but it is definitely less stressful because there are so many mediocre students to fill up the bottom of the curve.

Oh no! You got it all wrong. Previously, these kids were totally mediocre and only got in because they had access to the test, but now they pick the top kids from all schools. It's much much MUCH better and less toxic!

And yet all the objective data says otherwise.
The median PSAT score drops over 100 points.
Virginia Math Olympiad winners are no longer just at TJ
The TJ Math department sends out emails expressing disappointment at poor math scores.
The student body under the new admissions process is significantly less capable than previous classes.
On the plus side, I suspect it is in fact less stressful now that so many mediocre students are there to fill up the bottom of the curve.

You're just confusing the fallout from COVID which has had an impact across the board everywhere. When you adjust for that you can clearly see TJ is stronger than ever today.

How would COVID lead to the Virginia mth olympiad winners no longer being TJ students?

In the most important and widely participated math competition, AMC 10, TJ used to have almost all Top 10 scoring students in Virginia for at least the 5 prior years before the admissions changes.

The first year the class of 2025 was admitted with new admissions policies, none of the top 10 AMC 10 A scoring students were from TJ and only 1 of the top AMC 10B was from TJ. This is data that is published on AMC website and is still available for past years but were stopped from that year, possibly because of DEI issues.

How can you go from having all the top 10 every year to not having anyone?

Someone will jump in and say, TJ is not just taking top math kids or maybe they dont know how to write essays or some such nonsense. When you are numerically challenged it is understandable. An important part of being a STEM school is that pesky "M" in STEM. There is a reason why colleges place so much emphasis on "M".

This is odd. I would think at least a couple of them would be in the top 10 just by sheer chance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title has the question?

Ruthless families cheat to get in. Why would it stop once their striver gets in?

And since they put an end to the exam buying TJ is far less toxic.

I don't think it is any more or less toxic but it is definitely less stressful because there are so many mediocre students to fill up the bottom of the curve.

Oh no! You got it all wrong. Previously, these kids were totally mediocre and only got in because they had access to the test, but now they pick the top kids from all schools. It's much much MUCH better and less toxic!

And yet all the objective data says otherwise.
The median PSAT score drops over 100 points.
Virginia Math Olympiad winners are no longer just at TJ
The TJ Math department sends out emails expressing disappointment at poor math scores.
The student body under the new admissions process is significantly less capable than previous classes.
On the plus side, I suspect it is in fact less stressful now that so many mediocre students are there to fill up the bottom of the curve.

You're just confusing the fallout from COVID which has had an impact across the board everywhere. When you adjust for that you can clearly see TJ is stronger than ever today.

How would COVID lead to the Virginia mth olympiad winners no longer being TJ students?

That's easy. The prep center was shutdown during COVID so these kids are less prepared than before.

So when the rest of the world went online, they just shut down?
I mean even the easy mode learning centers went online.
Curie is much more intense. They just shut down?
I feel like you might be entirely full of chit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Title has the question?

It starts with the parents. They pay for enrichment, where kids learn and gain access to test questions to appear gifted despite being fairly average. They learn that winning by any means is fine, and that's where it starts.

Once again mediocre white parents characterizing studying as cheating to rationalize the academic performance of their mediocre kids.
Studying makes you smarter, unless you think intelligence is entirely genetic.
Even after equalizing for parent education, parent income, neighborhood SES, everything researchers could think of, homes with more books produced kids with better math and reading skills.
Stop trying to recharacterize studying as cheating, you are only hurting your own children's chances at success.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title has the question?

It starts with the parents. They pay for enrichment, where kids learn and gain access to test questions to appear gifted despite being fairly average. They learn that winning by any means is fine, and that's where it starts.

Once again mediocre white parents characterizing studying as cheating to rationalize the academic performance of their mediocre kids.
Studying makes you smarter, unless you think intelligence is entirely genetic.
Even after equalizing for parent education, parent income, neighborhood SES, everything researchers could think of, homes with more books produced kids with better math and reading skills.
Stop trying to recharacterize studying as cheating, you are only hurting your own children's chances at success.

Studying a stolen copy of the test is fine!?!? Cheating doesn't make you smarter. It makes you unethical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title has the question?

It starts with the parents. They pay for enrichment, where kids learn and gain access to test questions to appear gifted despite being fairly average. They learn that winning by any means is fine, and that's where it starts.

Once again mediocre white parents characterizing studying as cheating to rationalize the academic performance of their mediocre kids.
Studying makes you smarter, unless you think intelligence is entirely genetic.
Even after equalizing for parent education, parent income, neighborhood SES, everything researchers could think of, homes with more books produced kids with better math and reading skills.
Stop trying to recharacterize studying as cheating, you are only hurting your own children's chances at success.

Studying a stolen copy of the test is fine!?!? Cheating doesn't make you smarter. It makes you unethical.

Stop making things up. LOL!

I understand your IQ is high enough to actually make an argument. There is an argument to be made, but no need to make things up. Fake news fail.

If you have evidence show the proof. You would be laughed out of any court if you said this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title has the question?

It starts with the parents. They pay for enrichment, where kids learn and gain access to test questions to appear gifted despite being fairly average. They learn that winning by any means is fine, and that's where it starts.

Once again mediocre white parents characterizing studying as cheating to rationalize the academic performance of their mediocre kids.
Studying makes you smarter, unless you think intelligence is entirely genetic.
Even after equalizing for parent education, parent income, neighborhood SES, everything researchers could think of, homes with more books produced kids with better math and reading skills.
Stop trying to recharacterize studying as cheating, you are only hurting your own children's chances at success.

Studying a stolen copy of the test is fine!?!? Cheating doesn't make you smarter. It makes you unethical.

Stop making things up. LOL!

I understand your IQ is high enough to actually make an argument. There is an argument to be made, but no need to make things up. Fake news fail.

If you have evidence show the proof. You would be laughed out of any court if you said this.

The evidence has been posted here more times than I can count. Even in this thread, people have provided many links to respected third parties who reported on this or provided multiple first-hand accounts. There is no doubt that this went on. The question is, why do you try so hard to cover it up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title has the question?

It starts with the parents. They pay for enrichment, where kids learn and gain access to test questions to appear gifted despite being fairly average. They learn that winning by any means is fine, and that's where it starts.

Once again mediocre white parents characterizing studying as cheating to rationalize the academic performance of their mediocre kids.
Studying makes you smarter, unless you think intelligence is entirely genetic.
Even after equalizing for parent education, parent income, neighborhood SES, everything researchers could think of, homes with more books produced kids with better math and reading skills.
Stop trying to recharacterize studying as cheating, you are only hurting your own children's chances at success.

Studying a stolen copy of the test is fine!?!? Cheating doesn't make you smarter. It makes you unethical.

Nothing stolen.
Studying isn't cheating (only white people think this).
Studying does in fact make you smarter unless you think that intelligence is entirely genetically driven.
Do you think that IQ is entirely genetically determined?