Key bridge in Baltimore collapses after cargo ship crashes into it

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Anonymous wrote:WaPo says the NTSB head said their team arrived at 6 pm to start their investigation…but 6 pm hasn’t happened yet 🤔

Maybe there was a typo there earlier, but it now says 6 AM.

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Anonymous wrote:WaPo says the NTSB head said their team arrived at 6 pm to start their investigation…but 6 pm hasn’t happened yet 🤔

If typing pm instead of am is the only typo made in a massive breaking news story I think you’ll be ok. FWIW the front page says 6am.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we start a new thread for how to survive in water so this can just be about the bridge?

I was looking at one of the vessel tracking pages and there were dozens of ships lingering in the bay. How long do we think until the pet reopens? Will those ships wait it out or turn around?

Ships are already being diverted to Norfolk

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Anonymous wrote:Even if you got out of the car, you are in the middle of a huge river! How are you swimming to safety? What about the infant in the car seat?

I used to drive my kids back and forth from VA to MD several times a week and would keep their life jackets in the car because I am a little paranoid. I'm also a bridge engineer and have an unnatural fear of such an incident. We don't go as frequently anymore, but I'm gonna put them back in the car.

that was an unexpected plot twist

You'd think as an engineer you would have an understanding of the rarity of this kind of thing happening. I mean, does someone have the statistics on how many people are killed annually by bridge collapses? I'm guessing a million other things rank much higher.

From 1960 to 2015, there were 35 major bridge collapses worldwide due to ship or barge collision, with a total of 342 people killed, according to a 2018 report from the World Association for Waterborne Transport Infrastructure. Eighteen of those collapses happened in the United States.

https://apnews.com/article/bridge-collapses-barges-list-1f2d6261d523ddc625aaaf3b32c626bc

Thank you, internet friend.

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Any word on survivors?

There was one who refused treatment so you can guess his situation in this country.

NP. I read that he had no injuries either. They looked him over at the scene.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the articles about how a ship that just left port, 10 mins later has all power going out before even getting out from the bridge they all go under.

What a $hitShow.

Total investigation of the crew, maintenance crew/records, all people on board (petro, food, waste), etc. for Foul Play.

And look into the tech and cyber angle.

NTSB is on site and beginning their investigation that will include all of that.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why in 2024 we still have boats and ships, but with administration anything is possible..

Wait, are you suggesting we teleport goods? Pray tell, what is your solution?

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Any word on survivors?

There was one who refused treatment so you can guess his situation in this country.

NP. I read that he had no injuries either. They looked him over at the scene.

Well there’s the possibility of dry drowning but ok.

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Anonymous wrote:To think that bridge collapsed in 40 seconds...

Bridged disperse force and mass that way too, all dispersed through all the tressels sideways. The more triangles the better.

That said, a heavy, loaded-up moving ship the size of a hotel on its side slamming into one of the big pillars will do it in.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if you got out of the car, you are in the middle of a huge river! How are you swimming to safety? What about the infant in the car seat?

I used to drive my kids back and forth from VA to MD several times a week and would keep their life jackets in the car because I am a little paranoid. I'm also a bridge engineer and have an unnatural fear of such an incident. We don't go as frequently anymore, but I'm gonna put them back in the car.

that was an unexpected plot twist

You'd think as an engineer you would have an understanding of the rarity of this kind of thing happening. I mean, does someone have the statistics on how many people are killed annually by bridge collapses? I'm guessing a million other things rank much higher.

I believe these are government employees that have never had to make a cost-benefit or risk analysis. Remember, if it saves just one person...

What are the chances of a life jacket saving anyone in the event of your car falling off a bridge into water? You have a few seconds, at most, to unbuckle car seats/seat belts, open car doors and windows, put on life jacket for yourself and your kids, all while violently falling through the air/being bumped around the inside of the vehicle, potentially w debris and/or other vehicles hitting you and becoming submerged in water. I’m just trying to understand how you would even be able to/have time to get a life jacket on in this scenario.

I could definitely see a market for a car seat with a built in airbag or other floatation device that allows the car seat to surface to the air on its own. Maybe similar to the airbags used by backcountry skiers to survive avalanches.

Car is filling with water, you get to the back seat and unlatch the car seat from the anchors. Once the pressure equalizes, you open the backdoor, activate the airbag, and push out your kid's car seat (with kid still strapped in). Kid floats to the surface. This also allows the adults to better focus on their own safety once they escape the underwater vehicle and don't have to worry about trying to surface while holding a squirmy kid.

How many times a year would this be used? What would be the additional cost and development time for such a product?

I'm still trying to figure out how they're getting this contraption out of the car.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if you got out of the car, you are in the middle of a huge river! How are you swimming to safety? What about the infant in the car seat?

I used to drive my kids back and forth from VA to MD several times a week and would keep their life jackets in the car because I am a little paranoid. I'm also a bridge engineer and have an unnatural fear of such an incident. We don't go as frequently anymore, but I'm gonna put them back in the car.

Where do you store them? Life jackets aren't small, and it's not like having them in the trunk is helpful. I am truly trying to wrap my head around how this would work. So car goes off bridge, you have all windows rolled up so you have plenty of time to unbuckle the kids from their car seats and get them into the life jackets and then, are you manually rolling down your car's windows? Do you have a 1982 Civic?

And they are doing this with an opened airbag in their face and pressing them against their seat. The force of a car dropping from that height onto the water would definitely open the air bags. So, PP would have to survive the impact, unlock their seat belt under the airbag, and climb into the back seat while fighting the airbag to get into the back seat before they could even start to work on getting their child out of the carseat and all of that before finding the lifevests and putting them on both her and her child. Not very realistic. that this would work in this instance.

That said, those who open their windows are also not accounting for handling the airbag while trying to get out of their car. With the water coming in, they'll only have seconds to fight the airbag, get the seatbelt undone and exit the window, figure up from down and start to swim in the right direction, while dodging debris from the bridge that collapsed on top of them.

None of these "precautions" are very likely to help in the event of such an accident.

They’d also have to get both kids in life jackets out of a window.

Yep. In planes you're told not to inflate the life jacket until outside.

Yes but you are currently in the place of anti-logic. Welcome.

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Anonymous wrote:I would say 99.9% of DCUM posters would not survive this bridge crash. Most of you are past 50, in poor physical health, and overweight. You can roll down your windows all you want though. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

This bridge is 185 feet above the water in the middle. It's unlikely to survive that fall, especially with tons of steel collapsing on you as well, regardless of age or fitness.

They rescued two alive already

Hours ago. The water is very cold, so it's unlikely they'll find more.

A ten story fall is not survivable. I wonder if the two survivors were strapped in or on a section that did not totally collapse.

One of the survivors was a worker on the ship

Do you have a source for that? I haven't seen that anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:I would say 99.9% of DCUM posters would not survive this bridge crash. Most of you are past 50, in poor physical health, and overweight. You can roll down your windows all you want though. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

This bridge is 185 feet above the water in the middle. It's unlikely to survive that fall, especially with tons of steel collapsing on you as well, regardless of age or fitness.

They rescued two alive already

Hours ago. The water is very cold, so it's unlikely they'll find more.

A ten story fall is not survivable. I wonder if the two survivors were strapped in or on a section that did not totally collapse.

One of the survivors was a worker on the ship

Do you have a source for that? I haven't seen that anywhere.

I read that one is a worker as well. His sister said that he worked on the bridge at the time and was released but has serious injuries. His wife was there and was too distraught to speak. None wanted their name mentioned.

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Anonymous wrote:I would say 99.9% of DCUM posters would not survive this bridge crash. Most of you are past 50, in poor physical health, and overweight. You can roll down your windows all you want though. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

This bridge is 185 feet above the water in the middle. It's unlikely to survive that fall, especially with tons of steel collapsing on you as well, regardless of age or fitness.

They rescued two alive already

Hours ago. The water is very cold, so it's unlikely they'll find more.

A ten story fall is not survivable. I wonder if the two survivors were strapped in or on a section that did not totally collapse.

One of the survivors was a worker on the ship

Do you have a source for that? I haven't seen that anywhere.

I read that one is a worker as well. His sister said that he worked on the bridge at the time and was released but has serious injuries. His wife was there and was too distraught to speak. None wanted their name mentioned.

Everything I have read said that the two people rescued were workers on the bridge. But PP said that one was a worker on the ship. That's what I asked about.

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Anonymous wrote:I would say 99.9% of DCUM posters would not survive this bridge crash. Most of you are past 50, in poor physical health, and overweight. You can roll down your windows all you want though. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

This bridge is 185 feet above the water in the middle. It's unlikely to survive that fall, especially with tons of steel collapsing on you as well, regardless of age or fitness.

They rescued two alive already

Hours ago. The water is very cold, so it's unlikely they'll find more.

A ten story fall is not survivable. I wonder if the two survivors were strapped in or on a section that did not totally collapse.

One of the survivors was a worker on the ship

Do you have a source for that? I haven't seen that anywhere.

I read that one is a worker as well. His sister said that he worked on the bridge at the time and was released but has serious injuries. His wife was there and was too distraught to speak. None wanted their name mentioned.

Everything I have read said that the two people rescued were workers on the bridge. But PP said that one was a worker on the ship. That's what I asked about.

Yes. Is there any reports of people on the ship hurt?