If you are wealthy would you send your kids to a W school over private?

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a student who is gifted in math and science, the publics offer accelerated classes that the private schools do not. They have large enough cohorts to offer classes beyond APs, like multivariable calc or science electives taught by NIH retirees.

We’ve been over this already. We showed you the course catalogs from top private schools and proved that this is wrong. Do we need to rehash this?

Apparently, we do. The privates are not even close in math and science options, or in providing an advanced math cohort.

Look at the 8-9 course catalogs I posted.

But when was the last time they actually offered these classes?
Been there, done that, moved on far away from the marketing plot.

It’s clear to me you’ll desperately hang onto your belief, regardless of what evidence anyone puts in front of you. If I told you they offered it every year, you’d tell me, “well how long will that last?”

Np. Most privates don’t offer those classes. Might be an online course or some other access, but they don’t really offer these because most private school kids are not on an accelerated math track. This was a big consideration for DS going to public high school.

Methinks your main consideration wasn't the math, but the tuition. Just admit it.

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Anonymous wrote:And don’t talk to me about STEM magnet programs because private school kids go to those as well. I mean non-magnet.

Very few, if any in most years. Private school kids are usually much farther behind at that point.

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It's harder from private to Magnet due to gap being too large. Some may still make it but it's rare.

It's rare because people generally don't apply.

In our tiny little Catholic school with a class of 24 students, one student applied and got into a magnet (Poolesville). The others didn't apply to magnets because they are mainly interested in private school education, in most cases specifically Catholic. Most got into the top Catholic high schools in the area, including Georgetown Prep, Stone Ridge, and Visitation.

This is one example. it's hard to form a AIM level math in private due to such tiny numbers. there may be just 1 or 2 students who would be able to handle that level. It's just a distribution curve.

I don't think private or public is better in all cases. Different kids have different need.

I hate to break it to you, but math is not the only subject taught in school. As mentioned in another post, MCPS does English really badly, so you may think it's great you are getting great math instruction, but your English instruction is lacking.

That said, my tiny Catholic school had half of its 8th graders in higher level math who entered 9th grade doing Algebra 2 with one entering in pre-calc. These kids would be fine in magnet schools. The other half mainly entered 9th in geometry...maybe one or two in Alg. I. These kids didn't just get pushed into it either. They all had to have assessments in their new private schools in order to place into those classes. And guess what...they also have exemplary reading, writing, grammar, and vocabulary skills that are lacking in public schools.

I will point out that while we are talking about W schools here, the rankings of DC area schools by Niche place only one W school in the top 20, and that is Whitman. There are two other public schools in the top 20 -- Thomas Jefferson and Poolesville. The rest are all private schools. I rest my case. https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-high-schools/m/washington-dc-metro-area/

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Well, it looks like your tiny catholic is an exception. I am private school teacher in well regarded private and it's not the norm.

Two kids from Norwood got into MCPS magnet high schools in the class of 2023.

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Anonymous wrote:And don’t talk to me about STEM magnet programs because private school kids go to those as well. I mean non-magnet.

Very few, if any in most years. Private school kids are usually much farther behind at that point.

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It's harder from private to Magnet due to gap being too large. Some may still make it but it's rare.

Would love proof of this. Doubt you have any.

Not the PP, but out kid shifted from private to public. He was considered good in math in private, but good in large public were at a higher level.

The top 1% of 10M is going to be at much higher level than the top 1% of 1M. It's simple stats.

That’s not at all what stats say. It depends entirely on the population you’re talking about.

If you are implying that population going to private is inherently smarter then I don't know what to say. Distribution curve is going to be similar in public and private. There will be top students in both and there will be poor students in both.

No. I’m saying a larger population does not mean the top 1% will necessarily be better.

Likely to be better, not necessarily better.

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Anonymous wrote:And don’t talk to me about STEM magnet programs because private school kids go to those as well. I mean non-magnet.

Very few, if any in most years. Private school kids are usually much farther behind at that point.

+1

It's harder from private to Magnet due to gap being too large. Some may still make it but it's rare.

Would love proof of this. Doubt you have any.

Not the PP, but out kid shifted from private to public. He was considered good in math in private, but good in large public were at a higher level.

The top 1% of 10M is going to be at much higher level than the top 1% of 1M. It's simple stats.

That’s not at all what stats say. It depends entirely on the population you’re talking about.

If you are implying that population going to private is inherently smarter then I don't know what to say. Distribution curve is going to be similar in public and private. There will be top students in both and there will be poor students in both.

No. I’m saying a larger population does not mean the top 1% will necessarily be better.

Likely to be better, not necessarily better.

There’s no reason to think it would be better.

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Anonymous wrote:Do private kids take MAP math test?

It will be easier to see the levels and compare. AIM math was pretty good. I am a math enthusiasts and liked what I saw in public in AIM math in middle school. Just based on what I heard, I don't have sample data, majority of kids were in 95 to 99 percentile in MAP test in AIM math class. Now it hardly means that pubic is better. It simply means that they have a large enough population to form a class for math kids who are really good in math. Not sure you can find enough kids to offer such classes in private.

Once again, private schools offer advanced math classes. We’ve been through this so many times.

The fact that you don’t even know whether private school kids take MAP tests shows me you know nothing about these schools.

Why would I know anything about private? I don't have kids in private and that's why I was asking. Why are you assuming that you are talking to same poster every day.

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Anonymous wrote:And don’t talk to me about STEM magnet programs because private school kids go to those as well. I mean non-magnet.

Very few, if any in most years. Private school kids are usually much farther behind at that point.

+1

It's harder from private to Magnet due to gap being too large. Some may still make it but it's rare.

Would love proof of this. Doubt you have any.

Not the PP, but out kid shifted from private to public. He was considered good in math in private, but good in large public were at a higher level.

The top 1% of 10M is going to be at much higher level than the top 1% of 1M. It's simple stats.

That’s not at all what stats say. It depends entirely on the population you’re talking about.

If you are implying that population going to private is inherently smarter then I don't know what to say. Distribution curve is going to be similar in public and private. There will be top students in both and there will be poor students in both.

No. I’m saying a larger population does not mean the top 1% will necessarily be better.

Likely to be better, not necessarily better.

There’s no reason to think it would be better.

Well, then I have nothing much to say. You don't understand stats.

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Anonymous wrote:Do private kids take MAP math test?

It will be easier to see the levels and compare. AIM math was pretty good. I am a math enthusiasts and liked what I saw in public in AIM math in middle school. Just based on what I heard, I don't have sample data, majority of kids were in 95 to 99 percentile in MAP test in AIM math class. Now it hardly means that pubic is better. It simply means that they have a large enough population to form a class for math kids who are really good in math. Not sure you can find enough kids to offer such classes in private.

Once again, private schools offer advanced math classes. We’ve been through this so many times.

The fact that you don’t even know whether private school kids take MAP tests shows me you know nothing about these schools.

Why would I know anything about private? I don't have kids in private and that's why I was asking. Why are you assuming that you are talking to same poster every day.

If you admit you know nothing about private, then why are you proclaiming that there aren’t enough kids to offer advanced math classes?

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Anonymous wrote:And don’t talk to me about STEM magnet programs because private school kids go to those as well. I mean non-magnet.

Very few, if any in most years. Private school kids are usually much farther behind at that point.

+1

It's harder from private to Magnet due to gap being too large. Some may still make it but it's rare.

Would love proof of this. Doubt you have any.

Not the PP, but out kid shifted from private to public. He was considered good in math in private, but good in large public were at a higher level.

The top 1% of 10M is going to be at much higher level than the top 1% of 1M. It's simple stats.

That’s not at all what stats say. It depends entirely on the population you’re talking about.

If you are implying that population going to private is inherently smarter then I don't know what to say. Distribution curve is going to be similar in public and private. There will be top students in both and there will be poor students in both.

No. I’m saying a larger population does not mean the top 1% will necessarily be better.

Likely to be better, not necessarily better.

There’s no reason to think it would be better.

Well, then I have nothing much to say. You don't understand stats.

Lol ok.

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Anonymous wrote:And don’t talk to me about STEM magnet programs because private school kids go to those as well. I mean non-magnet.

Very few, if any in most years. Private school kids are usually much farther behind at that point.

+1

It's harder from private to Magnet due to gap being too large. Some may still make it but it's rare.

It's rare because people generally don't apply.

In our tiny little Catholic school with a class of 24 students, one student applied and got into a magnet (Poolesville). The others didn't apply to magnets because they are mainly interested in private school education, in most cases specifically Catholic. Most got into the top Catholic high schools in the area, including Georgetown Prep, Stone Ridge, and Visitation.

This is one example. it's hard to form a AIM level math in private due to such tiny numbers. there may be just 1 or 2 students who would be able to handle that level. It's just a distribution curve.

I don't think private or public is better in all cases. Different kids have different need.

I hate to break it to you, but math is not the only subject taught in school. As mentioned in another post, MCPS does English really badly, so you may think it's great you are getting great math instruction, but your English instruction is lacking.

That said, my tiny Catholic school had half of its 8th graders in higher level math who entered 9th grade doing Algebra 2 with one entering in pre-calc. These kids would be fine in magnet schools. The other half mainly entered 9th in geometry...maybe one or two in Alg. I. These kids didn't just get pushed into it either. They all had to have assessments in their new private schools in order to place into those classes. And guess what...they also have exemplary reading, writing, grammar, and vocabulary skills that are lacking in public schools.

I will point out that while we are talking about W schools here, the rankings of DC area schools by Niche place only one W school in the top 20, and that is Whitman. There are two other public schools in the top 20 -- Thomas Jefferson and Poolesville. The rest are all private schools. I rest my case. https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-high-schools/m/washington-dc-metro-area/

Not the PP.

Well, it looks like your tiny catholic is an exception. I am private school teacher in well regarded private and it's not the norm.

Whether or not it is the norm, there are lots of kids in private schools who are advanced in math. My daughter is one of them. And in reality, these kids are in much better shape than public school because most of the Catholic schools stayed during the pandemic, so their curriculum is not pared down like the public schools have had to do. If my kid, who is now doing pre-calc in 10th grade, took the same class in a W school, I guarantee you, she will be bored out of her mind. Her private HS was very methodical about making sure any kid who entered advanced math proved in their assessment they could handle the material. If not, they repeated the prior math course. I know for a fact, MCPS is pushing kids through without placement testing and it's a disaster.

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Anonymous wrote:Do private kids take MAP math test?

It will be easier to see the levels and compare. AIM math was pretty good. I am a math enthusiasts and liked what I saw in public in AIM math in middle school. Just based on what I heard, I don't have sample data, majority of kids were in 95 to 99 percentile in MAP test in AIM math class. Now it hardly means that pubic is better. It simply means that they have a large enough population to form a class for math kids who are really good in math. Not sure you can find enough kids to offer such classes in private.

Once again, private schools offer advanced math classes. We’ve been through this so many times.

The fact that you don’t even know whether private school kids take MAP tests shows me you know nothing about these schools.

Why would I know anything about private? I don't have kids in private and that's why I was asking. Why are you assuming that you are talking to same poster every day.

If you admit you know nothing about private, then why are you proclaiming that there aren’t enough kids to offer advanced math classes?

Can you educate me how many students are in your private? My impression is that number of students are really tiny in any private to find enough students for accelerated courses.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if MCPS taught math SO WELL, they’d be able to teach kids regardless of income.

Are you this clueless in real life?

So just to be clear, when you say MCPS teaches math well, you really mean they teach it well to kids already set up for success, with parents who can supplement.

Color me SO impressed.

LOL how is that any different than private schools?

it's easy to teach kids who come from MC/UMC families with no SN, who speak English at home.

I'd like to see private schools teach kids thousands of kids who are from low income families, or have SN, or don't speak any English at home. If they can do that, then that's impressive. If not, then no, private school teaching is not that impressive,either.

Well, I’m not the one saying one is miles better at math instruction than the other. That would be all of you.

Most are saying that MCPS is better at STEM. I don't about "miles". But, my post above still applies. It's not like private schools are doing a bang up job teaching low income, ESL, SN kids math. It's easy to teach UMC/wealthy kids, either in public or private.

But there’s no evidence it’s truly better at STEM.

Larger high achieving peer group means more advanced classes available.

It does seem the public schools in this area are far more represented at the tech schools — MIT/CalTech/Georgia Tech — then the private schools.

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Anonymous wrote:And don’t talk to me about STEM magnet programs because private school kids go to those as well. I mean non-magnet.

Very few, if any in most years. Private school kids are usually much farther behind at that point.

+1

It's harder from private to Magnet due to gap being too large. Some may still make it but it's rare.

It's rare because people generally don't apply.

In our tiny little Catholic school with a class of 24 students, one student applied and got into a magnet (Poolesville). The others didn't apply to magnets because they are mainly interested in private school education, in most cases specifically Catholic. Most got into the top Catholic high schools in the area, including Georgetown Prep, Stone Ridge, and Visitation.

This is one example. it's hard to form a AIM level math in private due to such tiny numbers. there may be just 1 or 2 students who would be able to handle that level. It's just a distribution curve.

I don't think private or public is better in all cases. Different kids have different need.

I hate to break it to you, but math is not the only subject taught in school. As mentioned in another post, MCPS does English really badly, so you may think it's great you are getting great math instruction, but your English instruction is lacking.

That said, my tiny Catholic school had half of its 8th graders in higher level math who entered 9th grade doing Algebra 2 with one entering in pre-calc. These kids would be fine in magnet schools. The other half mainly entered 9th in geometry...maybe one or two in Alg. I. These kids didn't just get pushed into it either. They all had to have assessments in their new private schools in order to place into those classes. And guess what...they also have exemplary reading, writing, grammar, and vocabulary skills that are lacking in public schools.

I will point out that while we are talking about W schools here, the rankings of DC area schools by Niche place only one W school in the top 20, and that is Whitman. There are two other public schools in the top 20 -- Thomas Jefferson and Poolesville. The rest are all private schools. I rest my case. https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-high-schools/m/washington-dc-metro-area/

Not the PP.

Well, it looks like your tiny catholic is an exception. I am private school teacher in well regarded private and it's not the norm.

Whether or not it is the norm, there are lots of kids in private schools who are advanced in math. My daughter is one of them. And in reality, these kids are in much better shape than public school because most of the Catholic schools stayed during the pandemic, so their curriculum is not pared down like the public schools have had to do. If my kid, who is now doing pre-calc in 10th grade, took the same class in a W school, I guarantee you, she will be bored out of her mind. Her private HS was very methodical about making sure any kid who entered advanced math proved in their assessment they could handle the material. If not, they repeated the prior math course. I know for a fact, MCPS is pushing kids through without placement testing and it's a disaster.

There will be surely kids who can handle advance level courses, be in public or private.

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Anonymous wrote:And don’t talk to me about STEM magnet programs because private school kids go to those as well. I mean non-magnet.

Very few, if any in most years. Private school kids are usually much farther behind at that point.

+1

It's harder from private to Magnet due to gap being too large. Some may still make it but it's rare.

It's rare because people generally don't apply.

In our tiny little Catholic school with a class of 24 students, one student applied and got into a magnet (Poolesville). The others didn't apply to magnets because they are mainly interested in private school education, in most cases specifically Catholic. Most got into the top Catholic high schools in the area, including Georgetown Prep, Stone Ridge, and Visitation.

This is one example. it's hard to form a AIM level math in private due to such tiny numbers. there may be just 1 or 2 students who would be able to handle that level. It's just a distribution curve.

I don't think private or public is better in all cases. Different kids have different need.

I hate to break it to you, but math is not the only subject taught in school. As mentioned in another post, MCPS does English really badly, so you may think it's great you are getting great math instruction, but your English instruction is lacking.

That said, my tiny Catholic school had half of its 8th graders in higher level math who entered 9th grade doing Algebra 2 with one entering in pre-calc. These kids would be fine in magnet schools. The other half mainly entered 9th in geometry...maybe one or two in Alg. I. These kids didn't just get pushed into it either. They all had to have assessments in their new private schools in order to place into those classes. And guess what...they also have exemplary reading, writing, grammar, and vocabulary skills that are lacking in public schools.

I will point out that while we are talking about W schools here, the rankings of DC area schools by Niche place only one W school in the top 20, and that is Whitman. There are two other public schools in the top 20 -- Thomas Jefferson and Poolesville. The rest are all private schools. I rest my case. https://www.niche.com/k12/search/best-high-schools/m/washington-dc-metro-area/

Not the PP.

Well, it looks like your tiny catholic is an exception. I am private school teacher in well regarded private and it's not the norm.

Two kids from Norwood got into MCPS magnet high schools in the class of 2023.

Likely Caps. For stem it is rare.

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Anonymous wrote:Do private kids take MAP math test?

It will be easier to see the levels and compare. AIM math was pretty good. I am a math enthusiasts and liked what I saw in public in AIM math in middle school. Just based on what I heard, I don't have sample data, majority of kids were in 95 to 99 percentile in MAP test in AIM math class. Now it hardly means that pubic is better. It simply means that they have a large enough population to form a class for math kids who are really good in math. Not sure you can find enough kids to offer such classes in private.

Once again, private schools offer advanced math classes. We’ve been through this so many times.

The fact that you don’t even know whether private school kids take MAP tests shows me you know nothing about these schools.

Why would I know anything about private? I don't have kids in private and that's why I was asking. Why are you assuming that you are talking to same poster every day.

If you admit you know nothing about private, then why are you proclaiming that there aren’t enough kids to offer advanced math classes?

Can you educate me how many students are in your private? My impression is that number of students are really tiny in any private to find enough students for accelerated courses.

I have posted a lot of course catalogs that prove plenty of private schools around here offer advanced classes. In fact, I haven’t found ANY high schools that don’t offer BC calc, multivariate calc, etc.

My daughter goes to a K-8 that has 450 kids total and roughly 55 kids in the graduating class. They accelerate in math in middle school and 2 kids got into MCPS magnet programs from the class of 2023.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if MCPS taught math SO WELL, they’d be able to teach kids regardless of income.

Are you this clueless in real life?

So just to be clear, when you say MCPS teaches math well, you really mean they teach it well to kids already set up for success, with parents who can supplement.

Color me SO impressed.

LOL how is that any different than private schools?

it's easy to teach kids who come from MC/UMC families with no SN, who speak English at home.

I'd like to see private schools teach kids thousands of kids who are from low income families, or have SN, or don't speak any English at home. If they can do that, then that's impressive. If not, then no, private school teaching is not that impressive,either.

Well, I’m not the one saying one is miles better at math instruction than the other. That would be all of you.

Most are saying that MCPS is better at STEM. I don't about "miles". But, my post above still applies. It's not like private schools are doing a bang up job teaching low income, ESL, SN kids math. It's easy to teach UMC/wealthy kids, either in public or private.

But there’s no evidence it’s truly better at STEM.

Larger high achieving peer group means more advanced classes available.

It does seem the public schools in this area are far more represented at the tech schools — MIT/CalTech/Georgia Tech — then the private schools.

Umm … only 10% of kids in MoCo go to private schools. OF COURSE there are more public school kids. JFC.