Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:It is the same excess of wealth, hubris, and reliance on flawed, yet cutting edge technology that led to the sinking of the Titanic. The parallels give me chills. What an unnecessary nightmare. I hope for a good outcome.

Although well-intentioned, this kind of tourism should stop. The parallels drawn in other posts to Gettysburg, etc., aren't the same because those are far more accessible- no great wealth required.

Why should it stop? These people spent their own money and went in voluntarily having assessed the risks and resolved them to their satisfaction. Presumably, with the kind of money the spent on a frolic, they were pretty sophisticated.

If it turns out they guessed wrong, that’s on them. People have a right to decide things for themselves.

Great, but what about the people who are rescuing them? and the taxpayers paying that bill? It's not all about the people who went.

You have a valid point about the rescuers but not the tax money spent. That is not an important consideration when we are talking about peoples' lives. Regardless of what you think got them into that situation.

You people are soulless a$$holes.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sorry for the teenager on board. While technically an adult, he certainly didn’t pay for it himself. Surely the father knew the risks and made what he thought was an informed decision- fine- but why bring a teen along? So sad.

The boy isn’t 4. He must have asked to go.

19 year olds are notoriously great at risk assessment and their deep understanding of their own mortality.

Yeah look at the HS kid who jumped off a ship on his graduation trip in the Bahamas while drunk. Boys around this age seem to have little concept of risk/death. And he probably trusted his father knew it was safe.

Both father and son knew there was risk. Because of their vast wealth (we cannot even comprehend billionaire status) they believed they were naturally immune to the risk. The risk is true for OTHER people really but for them, they felt they could defy it and do something risky successfully. Because their wealth has created a bubble around them- there is no actual problem or fear or worry you have in life when you are that rich. Money and status and privilege will ALWAYS buffer you . They signed the waiver yes but there’s no way either believed *they* could actually die in this kind of accident.

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Anonymous wrote:I was reading that they have apparently 96hrs of oxygen supply. If the sub still has oxygen. It can’t return to the surface that sounds like a slow and excruciating death.

I hate to say it, but they’re better off being crushed.

Can you explain why they can't resurface? I don't understand.

It’s more that if they haven’t yet, there is probably catastrophic failure preventing it. David Pogue has been on this vehicle and said it has 7 ways to surface, with or without power. If they haven’t AND aren’t communicating, the craft is likely gone or obliterated.

Is it possible it emerged and they haven't located it yet? (ie its floating somewhere and they are trapped inside). Or would that be easy to spot?

One of the rescue planes is looking at the surface for them. So yes, that is the hope - that they have surfaced and are found there.

It is waaaaay to deep to just "re-emerge" . There is no debris field, there is no floating device. This isn't some buoy that just pops to the surface.

We're talking 13,000+ ft where the water pressure and currents are too intense for even military devices to go.

I don't think people understand how deep this is. Or the intense water pressure.

From above --- David Pogue has been on this vehicle and said it has 7 ways to surface, with or without power.

Looks like none of those 7 ways to surface worked if you're passed out.

And unlike a Cessna pilot who lost cabin pressure and passed out, there's no super sonic boom F16 to zoom in and rescue

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so sorry for the teenager on board. While technically an adult, he certainly didn’t pay for it himself. Surely the father knew the risks and made what he thought was an informed decision- fine- but why bring a teen along? So sad.

The boy isn’t 4. He must have asked to go.

19 year olds are notoriously great at risk assessment and their deep understanding of their own mortality.

Yeah look at the HS kid who jumped off a ship on his graduation trip in the Bahamas while drunk. Boys around this age seem to have little concept of risk/death. And he probably trusted his father knew it was safe.

Both father and son knew there was risk. Because of their vast wealth (we cannot even comprehend billionaire status) they believed they were naturally immune to the risk. The risk is true for OTHER people really but for them, they felt they could defy it and do something risky successfully. Because their wealth has created a bubble around them- there is no actual problem or fear or worry you have in life when you are that rich. Money and status and privilege will ALWAYS buffer you . They signed the waiver yes but there’s no way either believed *they* could actually die in this kind of accident.

Eh, that's true of every 19 year old. And many older people too. It's not a "billionaire" mindset. It's a human mindset.

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Anonymous wrote:I was reading that they have apparently 96hrs of oxygen supply. If the sub still has oxygen. It can’t return to the surface that sounds like a slow and excruciating death.

I hate to say it, but they’re better off being crushed.

Can you explain why they can't resurface? I don't understand.

It’s more that if they haven’t yet, there is probably catastrophic failure preventing it. David Pogue has been on this vehicle and said it has 7 ways to surface, with or without power. If they haven’t AND aren’t communicating, the craft is likely gone or obliterated.

Is it possible it emerged and they haven't located it yet? (ie its floating somewhere and they are trapped inside). Or would that be easy to spot?

One of the rescue planes is looking at the surface for them. So yes, that is the hope - that they have surfaced and are found there.

It is waaaaay to deep to just "re-emerge" . There is no debris field, there is no floating device. This isn't some buoy that just pops to the surface.

We're talking 13,000+ ft where the water pressure and currents are too intense for even military devices to go.

I don't think people understand how deep this is. Or the intense water pressure.

From above --- David Pogue has been on this vehicle and said it has 7 ways to surface, with or without power.

Looks like none of those 7 ways to surface worked if you're passed out.

And unlike a Cessna pilot who lost cabin pressure and passed out, there's no super sonic boom F16 to zoom in and rescue

The F-16 didn't save the Cessna. They all died.

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I just can't get over how ramshackle this thing was. Even if inclined towards taking risks, I'd think you would want to see a HIGHLY technical, slick looking thing before you got into it to risk your life. Controlled by a video game controller? That didn't set off any red flags for these people?

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Anonymous wrote:It is the same excess of wealth, hubris, and reliance on flawed, yet cutting edge technology that led to the sinking of the Titanic. The parallels give me chills. What an unnecessary nightmare. I hope for a good outcome.

Although well-intentioned, this kind of tourism should stop. The parallels drawn in other posts to Gettysburg, etc., aren't the same because those are far more accessible- no great wealth required.

Why should it stop? These people spent their own money and went in voluntarily having assessed the risks and resolved them to their satisfaction. Presumably, with the kind of money the spent on a frolic, they were pretty sophisticated.

If it turns out they guessed wrong, that’s on them. People have a right to decide things for themselves.

Great, but what about the people who are rescuing them? and the taxpayers paying that bill? It's not all about the people who went.

You have a valid point about the rescuers but not the tax money spent. That is not an important consideration when we are talking about peoples' lives. Regardless of what you think got them into that situation.

You people are soulless a$$holes.

Considering the circumstances, they are most likely dead already, so the rescuers should call it a day and go eat some king crab legs.

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I just can't get over how ramshackle this thing was. Even if inclined towards taking risks, I'd think you would want to see a HIGHLY technical, slick looking thing before you got into it to risk your life. Controlled by a video game controller? That didn't set off any red flags for these people?

Is that picture a joke?

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Anonymous wrote:What are the seven ways the vessel could be brought up?

same question.

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I just can't get over how ramshackle this thing was. Even if inclined towards taking risks, I'd think you would want to see a HIGHLY technical, slick looking thing before you got into it to risk your life. Controlled by a video game controller? That didn't set off any red flags for these people?

Buying off the shelf is smart, the components are well understood, work, and are cost effective. Not ramshackle.

Deep sea, like space, is dangerous. It is high risk. I know of several people who have died scuba diving. But they loved doing it.

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They are British citizens, moron.

Not all, the one guy and his poor son were Pakistani nationals.

No, they are from a prominent Parkistani family, but are British citizens themselves. .

He is one of Pakistan’s richest men? Doesn’t that make him Pakistani?

Are you slow?

No, I am rather swift actually

Then why ask stupid questions?

Well, because every single article out there refers to him as a Pakistani businessman, no mention of him being British. Which is odd, meaningless but odd.

The articles I’ve seen all describe the father as being from one of the wealthiest families in Pakistan but a British national. It isn’t uncommon among rich people from the subcontinent.

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Anonymous wrote:I was reading that they have apparently 96hrs of oxygen supply. If the sub still has oxygen. It can’t return to the surface that sounds like a slow and excruciating death.

I hate to say it, but they’re better off being crushed.

Can you explain why they can't resurface? I don't understand.

It’s more that if they haven’t yet, there is probably catastrophic failure preventing it. David Pogue has been on this vehicle and said it has 7 ways to surface, with or without power. If they haven’t AND aren’t communicating, the craft is likely gone or obliterated.

Is it possible it emerged and they haven't located it yet? (ie its floating somewhere and they are trapped inside). Or would that be easy to spot?

One of the rescue planes is looking at the surface for them. So yes, that is the hope - that they have surfaced and are found there.

It is waaaaay to deep to just "re-emerge" . There is no debris field, there is no floating device. This isn't some buoy that just pops to the surface.

We're talking 13,000+ ft where the water pressure and currents are too intense for even military devices to go.

I don't think people understand how deep this is. Or the intense water pressure.

From above --- David Pogue has been on this vehicle and said it has 7 ways to surface, with or without power.

Looks like none of those 7 ways to surface worked if you're passed out.

And unlike a Cessna pilot who lost cabin pressure and passed out, there's no super sonic boom F16 to zoom in and rescue

I doubt they passed out -- more likely they were killed instantly when the hull was breached. Not sure what circumstances would lead to them being passed out.

So they needed to engage these "7 ways" to surface? If so and they didn't do it - they're dead.

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They are British citizens, moron.

Not all, the one guy and his poor son were Pakistani nationals.

No, they are from a prominent Parkistani family, but are British citizens themselves. .

He is one of Pakistan’s richest men? Doesn’t that make him Pakistani?

Are you slow?

No, I am rather swift actually

Then why ask stupid questions?

Well, because every single article out there refers to him as a Pakistani businessman, no mention of him being British. Which is odd, meaningless but odd.

The articles I’ve seen all describe the father as being from one of the wealthiest families in Pakistan but a British national. It isn’t uncommon among rich people from the subcontinent.

Who cares? But it’s like calling Elon Musk an African entrepreneur. It’s not completely accurate.

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I just can't get over how ramshackle this thing was. Even if inclined towards taking risks, I'd think you would want to see a HIGHLY technical, slick looking thing before you got into it to risk your life. Controlled by a video game controller? That didn't set off any red flags for these people?

Buying off the shelf is smart, the components are well understood, work, and are cost effective. Not ramshackle.

Deep sea, like space, is dangerous. It is high risk. I know of several people who have died scuba diving. But they loved doing it.

Dumbest epitaph ever: “They died doing what they loved”. Usually accompanied by a description of someone falling off a rock or freezing to death on a mountaintop or apparently diving where sane people fear to tread.

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They are British citizens, moron.

Not all, the one guy and his poor son were Pakistani nationals.

No, they are from a prominent Parkistani family, but are British citizens themselves. .

He is one of Pakistan’s richest men? Doesn’t that make him Pakistani?

Are you slow?

No, I am rather swift actually

Then why ask stupid questions?

Well, because every single article out there refers to him as a Pakistani businessman, no mention of him being British. Which is odd, meaningless but odd.

The articles I’ve seen all describe the father as being from one of the wealthiest families in Pakistan but a British national. It isn’t uncommon among rich people from the subcontinent.

Who cares? But it’s like calling Elon Musk an African entrepreneur. It’s not completely accurate.

What’s not accurate? That he’s a British citizen?