Succession - Season 4

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Anonymous wrote:This season demonstrates why Seinfeld was so smart to leave while on top. This show stuck around too long. If you’re still obsessively watching it’s not because it’s good anymore. You just want it to conclude.

No, I like this season. It had to end with Logan dying. He was never going to name a successor. But they should have skipped season 3 and had Logan die in season 3 and do whatever they have planned now over the last three years they seesawed on the same back and forth multiple times. They could have cut some out.

I agree. Seinfeld was a sitcom. Each episode could stand alone. They could end the show at any time. Succession is telling an overarching story. There was a lot of fat they could have trimmed from the story (most of season 3) but they couldn't end the show without the actual succession.

PP you quoted here. I agree. And thank you for ignoring my multiple typos, lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Logan leaves his shares to his brother, who leaves them combined with his existing shares to Greg and Greg wins!!!

That would be some Arrested Development level stuff.

PS - I listened to the HBO podcast for this episode on which Brian Cox states that this season, each episode represents 1 day so with 10 episodes the entire season takes place over the course of 10 days.

Yes leave a $10billion company to a 20 something year old who is not very bright, that's a good way to turn it into a $0 company.

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Anonymous wrote:This season demonstrates why Seinfeld was so smart to leave while on top. This show stuck around too long. If you’re still obsessively watching it’s not because it’s good anymore. You just want it to conclude.

Seinfeld ran for 9 seasons and was self-described as a show "about nothing."

This is Succession's fourth and final season, and it is a show about the succession of a family business empire, thus the title. It would be weird for the show to end BEFORE the thing described in the title of the show happens, and four seasons is really not a long time for a show to run. Even the Wire ran 5 seasons. The West Wing ran 7 seasons. Breaking Bad -- 5 seasons. Mad Men -- 7 seasons.

Four is actually a very short run for a "prestige" television program. If you don't like it, fine, but I'm enjoying this season and it really feels like the show runners are executing a plan, not dragging something out.

This “plan” is forced and clunky. And either the writing sucks or all of the actors couldn’t care less. This season feels super amateur compared to earlier seasons. And every episode is like groundhogs day. Black cars, helicopters, airplanes, assistants, board room, fake drama. Zzzzzzzzzz. The show hasn’t grown. A.I. could write these scripts.

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Previous speculation about Kerry suggested a total ice-out. I thought Tom's take was interesting: "Judging by her grin it looks like she caught a foul ball at Yankee Stadium." He's clearly in that moment projecting his own insecurity (when he may actually realize how screwed he could be), but Kerry also played this ambiguously. Frank et. al. are clearly icing her out, but they were also moving to ice out the kids. I will be interested how Kerry's role unfolds in the coming episodes.

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The parts about his girlfriend trying to get an on-air job were pure cringe.

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Anonymous wrote:Previous speculation about Kerry suggested a total ice-out. I thought Tom's take was interesting: "Judging by her grin it looks like she caught a foul ball at Yankee Stadium." He's clearly in that moment projecting his own insecurity (when he may actually realize how screwed he could be), but Kerry also played this ambiguously. Frank et. al. are clearly icing her out, but they were also moving to ice out the kids. I will be interested how Kerry's role unfolds in the coming episodes.

Agree. I think there has been too much focus on Kerry and too much mystery around her relationship with Logan (the way she segued from his assistant to his mistress to some kind of multi-tasking confidant role was very weird and it's always been a bit confusing as to what her angle is), for there not to be some follow up. Even if it's just her gumming up the works a bit by trashing the kids in the press before a board vote or something. Or trying to bribe them with her silence. I'd be surprised if we didn't see Kerry in some capacity again, if only see how far she falls with Logan dead and her access cut off.

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Anonymous wrote:Logan leaves his shares to his brother, who leaves them combined with his existing shares to Greg and Greg wins!!!

That would be some Arrested Development level stuff.

PS - I listened to the HBO podcast for this episode on which Brian Cox states that this season, each episode represents 1 day so with 10 episodes the entire season takes place over the course of 10 days.

Yes leave a $10billion company to a 20 something year old who is not very bright, that's a good way to turn it into a $0 company.

But that's what the grandfather would want. He hates the company. He hates his brother.

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Anonymous wrote:Previous speculation about Kerry suggested a total ice-out. I thought Tom's take was interesting: "Judging by her grin it looks like she caught a foul ball at Yankee Stadium." He's clearly in that moment projecting his own insecurity (when he may actually realize how screwed he could be), but Kerry also played this ambiguously. Frank et. al. are clearly icing her out, but they were also moving to ice out the kids. I will be interested how Kerry's role unfolds in the coming episodes.

Agree. I think there has been too much focus on Kerry and too much mystery around her relationship with Logan (the way she segued from his assistant to his mistress to some kind of multi-tasking confidant role was very weird and it's always been a bit confusing as to what her angle is), for there not to be some follow up. Even if it's just her gumming up the works a bit by trashing the kids in the press before a board vote or something. Or trying to bribe them with her silence. I'd be surprised if we didn't see Kerry in some capacity again, if only see how far she falls with Logan dead and her access cut off.

There is one shot of her in the previews, and she looks like she's upset running from something.

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Wow, Brian Cox (Logan) is 76, Alan Ruck (Connor) is 66 and Willa actress is 33.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, Brian Cox (Logan) is 76, Alan Ruck (Connor) is 66 and Willa actress is 33.

Like father like son

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I've gone through a couple of days like this, minus the billions of dollars and tarmacs. I was struck by how true it is to the feeling of that moment.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Logan leaves his shares to his brother, who leaves them combined with his existing shares to Greg and Greg wins!!!

That would be some Arrested Development level stuff.

PS - I listened to the HBO podcast for this episode on which Brian Cox states that this season, each episode represents 1 day so with 10 episodes the entire season takes place over the course of 10 days.

Yes leave a $10billion company to a 20 something year old who is not very bright, that's a good way to turn it into a $0 company.

But that's what the grandfather would want. He hates the company. He hates his brother.

He also hates his grandson. He disinherited him and is donating the money to Greenpeace (and Greg plans to sue them for defamation... or something.)

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, Brian Cox (Logan) is 76, Alan Ruck (Connor) is 66 and Willa actress is 33.

I can never tell how old Connor is actually supposed to be. The credits for the show are almost comical, because it makes it look like Connor is a few years older than his siblings, when the actor is 20-30 years older than each of them. I assume the credits are really bad re-enactments for a Roy documentary, and not supposed to be "real" home movies, since the casting is nowhere near their counterparts.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, Brian Cox (Logan) is 76, Alan Ruck (Connor) is 66 and Willa actress is 33.

I can never tell how old Connor is actually supposed to be. The credits for the show are almost comical, because it makes it look like Connor is a few years older than his siblings, when the actor is 20-30 years older than each of them. I assume the credits are really bad re-enactments for a Roy documentary, and not supposed to be "real" home movies, since the casting is nowhere near their counterparts.

Alan Ruck has said Connor is intended to be in his mid-50s

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I never would have thought Alan Ruck was 66. He played a teen in the 80s, and I think think he looks 50s or at least only about 10-15 years older than his siblings.