I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Show me one study that voter ID laws have decreased voter turnout.

Fifth study:

“A survey of registered voters in Dane and Milwaukee Counties who did not vote in the 2016 presidential election found that 11.2% of eligible nonvoting registrants were deterred by the Wisconsin’s voter ID law. This corresponds to 16,801 people in the two counties deterred from voting, and could be as high as 23,252 based on the confidence interval around the 11.2% estimate, which is between 7.8% and 15.5%. The survey further found that 6% of nonvoters were prevented from voting because they lacked ID or cited ID as the main reason they did not vote, which corresponds to 9,001 people, and could be as high as 14,101 based on the confidence interval of between 3.5% and 9.4%.
Roughly 80% of registrants who were deterred from voting by the ID law, and 77% of those prevented from voting, cast ballots in the 2012 election.”
https://elections.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/483/2018/02/Voter-ID-Study-Release.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Show me one study that voter ID laws have decreased voter turnout.

Sixth study:
“By using validated voting data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study for several recent elections, we are able to offer a more definitive test. The analysis shows that strict identification laws have a differentially negative impact on the turnout of racial and ethnic minorities in primaries and general elections. We also find that voter ID laws skew democracy toward those on the political right.”
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/688343

[Anonymous]

Not that many years ago, rural areas had voting locations that were close by and easy to get to. ADA and ballot scanners closed down places like rural town hall locations. In general, voting locations have consolidated and become less accessible physically on election day, so of course you need greater accessibility by other means.

If you want to encourage a behavior, you make it easier, if you want to discourage it, you make it harder.

Concept applies also to ID requirements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you think people should be able to vote even if they have no proof of who they are?

Did your grandparents show proof when they voted in the Roosevelt v Hoover election in 1932?
Did your parents show proof when they voted in the Nixon v Kennedy election in 1962?
Did you show proof when you voted in Bush v Clinton in 1992?

Answer: No, none of that happened. You show proof when you register to vote and that's it.

There is no reason to require an ID to vote. It's worked for 250+ years in this country.

People including myself used to show voter registration cards. https://www.usa.gov/voter-registration-card The survey respondent count was 288 and 6% responded that they were deterred by voter ID laws. 17 eligible voters. https://elections.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/483/2018/02/Voter-ID-Study-Release.pdf

It's easier now with drivers licenses since you don't have to carry that card.
Think about how many people live in your household or who could vote in your place with alternate id.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you think people should be able to vote even if they have no proof of who they are?

Did your grandparents show proof when they voted in the Roosevelt v Hoover election in 1932?
Did your parents show proof when they voted in the Nixon v Kennedy election in 1962?
Did you show proof when you voted in Bush v Clinton in 1992?

Answer: No, none of that happened. You show proof when you register to vote and that's it.

There is no reason to require an ID to vote. It's worked for 250+ years in this country.

People including myself used to show voter registration cards. https://www.usa.gov/voter-registration-card The survey respondent count was 288 and 6% responded that they were deterred by voter ID laws. 17 eligible voters. https://elections.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/483/2018/02/Voter-ID-Study-Release.pdf

It's easier now with drivers licenses since you don't have to carry that card.
Think about how many people live in your household or who could vote in your place with alternate id.

They are. That’s the idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not that many years ago, rural areas had voting locations that were close by and easy to get to. ADA and ballot scanners closed down places like rural town hall locations. In general, voting locations have consolidated and become less accessible physically on election day, so of course you need greater accessibility by other means.

If you want to encourage a behavior, you make it easier, if you want to discourage it, you make it harder.

Concept applies also to ID requirements.

In some southern states in 2016/2018/2020, GOP in the states’ election offices used the equivalent of TRAP laws to close down voting locations that they didn’t want to be able to vote. They closed down locations that weren’t handicap accessible, for example, knowing full well that this would ensnare more Black churches (which are used as voting locations) than white.

[Anonymous]

If an American isn’t capable of having an ID then they shouldn’t be able to vote……and yea, it’s as simple as that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If an American isn’t capable of having an ID then they shouldn’t be able to vote……and yea, it’s as simple as that.

Is that an originalist interpretation of the constitution?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not that many years ago, rural areas had voting locations that were close by and easy to get to. ADA and ballot scanners closed down places like rural town hall locations. In general, voting locations have consolidated and become less accessible physically on election day, so of course you need greater accessibility by other means.

If you want to encourage a behavior, you make it easier, if you want to discourage it, you make it harder.

Concept applies also to ID requirements.

In some southern states in 2016/2018/2020, GOP in the states’ election offices used the equivalent of TRAP laws to close down voting locations that they didn’t want to be able to vote. They closed down locations that weren’t handicap accessible, for example, knowing full well that this would ensnare more Black churches (which are used as voting locations) than white.

Why aren’t the churches required to be handicapped accessible in the first place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If an American isn’t capable of having an ID then they shouldn’t be able to vote……and yea, it’s as simple as that.

Is that an originalist interpretation of the constitution?

I fail to see what prevents fraud at the polls If you don’t need to prove you are “John Doe”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If an American isn’t capable of having an ID then they shouldn’t be able to vote……and yea, it’s as simple as that.

100% correct. This is not that hard folks. There is no issue here that politicians on both sides aren’t simply making up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not that many years ago, rural areas had voting locations that were close by and easy to get to. ADA and ballot scanners closed down places like rural town hall locations. In general, voting locations have consolidated and become less accessible physically on election day, so of course you need greater accessibility by other means.

If you want to encourage a behavior, you make it easier, if you want to discourage it, you make it harder.

Concept applies also to ID requirements.

In some southern states in 2016/2018/2020, GOP in the states’ election offices used the equivalent of TRAP laws to close down voting locations that they didn’t want to be able to vote. They closed down locations that weren’t handicap accessible, for example, knowing full well that this would ensnare more Black churches (which are used as voting locations) than white.

Why aren’t the churches required to be handicapped accessible in the first place?

I'm pretty sure they are. But, having accessibility to the sanctuary where the services are held is different from the church basement where the voting would likely be. Also, it is possible that they don't have the technological access. That would have been especially true a few years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not that many years ago, rural areas had voting locations that were close by and easy to get to. ADA and ballot scanners closed down places like rural town hall locations. In general, voting locations have consolidated and become less accessible physically on election day, so of course you need greater accessibility by other means.

If you want to encourage a behavior, you make it easier, if you want to discourage it, you make it harder.

Concept applies also to ID requirements.

In some southern states in 2016/2018/2020, GOP in the states’ election offices used the equivalent of TRAP laws to close down voting locations that they didn’t want to be able to vote. They closed down locations that weren’t handicap accessible, for example, knowing full well that this would ensnare more Black churches (which are used as voting locations) than white.

Perhaps they closed locations that weren't handicap accessible because........ they weren't handicap accessible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If an American isn’t capable of having an ID then they shouldn’t be able to vote……and yea, it’s as simple as that.

100% correct. This is not that hard folks. There is no issue here that politicians on both sides aren’t simply making up.

Says the person who lives in a place that makes it easy. Not everywhere does.

[Anonymous]

OP, this is why: