Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"But there are a million ways to skin the cat."

"You see, by badly losing the battle of Kyiv and being chased out, and having my column chewed to shreds as I run with my tail between my legs, I'm actually winning!" 🤪

LOL right. OK. You convinced me. Ukraine got all its territory back and then some. All bombed-out buildings have sprung back from the earth fully done, like Athena from her father's forehead. All the refugees are back. Its economy is topping the charts. The population of young men is back to prewar levels. The wayward wives have left their slow Finnish boyfriends and reunited with their stoic husbands.

You're gloating about Russia's war crimes? You're a strange one.

I'm mocking your delusions that Ukraine is doing well in this war. It isn't.

You're a special kind of stupid. War is difficult, it is hard, it is brutal. Nobody here ever said otherwise. But the only thing that matters is that Ukraine is doing better in this war than Russia is.

Just stop with all of your inane hyperbolic strawman commentary.

By what metric?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"But there are a million ways to skin the cat."

"You see, by badly losing the battle of Kyiv and being chased out, and having my column chewed to shreds as I run with my tail between my legs, I'm actually winning!" 🤪

LOL right. OK. You convinced me. Ukraine got all its territory back and then some. All bombed-out buildings have sprung back from the earth fully done, like Athena from her father's forehead. All the refugees are back. Its economy is topping the charts. The population of young men is back to prewar levels. The wayward wives have left their slow Finnish boyfriends and reunited with their stoic husbands.

You're gloating about Russia's war crimes? You're a strange one.

I'm mocking your delusions that Ukraine is doing well in this war. It isn't.

"Russian ballistic missiles slammed into an apartment complex and a university building in President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's hometown Monday, killing six people and wounding 75 others as the blasts trapped residents beneath rubble, Ukrainian officials said.

The dead included a 10-year-old girl and her mother, according to Zelenskyy. More than 350 people were involved in the rescue operation, he said in a Telegram post."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-says-russian-missiles-hit-083412246.html

This is Russia. This is what you're ha-ha'ing about. This wasn't a military target.

I'm ha-ha'ing your delusions. Nothing else.

No, you’ve actually shown your true colors. Haha, that building will spring back like Athena. Haha, that 10-year old will come back to life and the children will be back to pre-war levels. Haha, look at the damage my army can do. Evil heart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"But there are a million ways to skin the cat."

"You see, by badly losing the battle of Kyiv and being chased out, and having my column chewed to shreds as I run with my tail between my legs, I'm actually winning!" 🤪

LOL right. OK. You convinced me. Ukraine got all its territory back and then some. All bombed-out buildings have sprung back from the earth fully done, like Athena from her father's forehead. All the refugees are back. Its economy is topping the charts. The population of young men is back to prewar levels. The wayward wives have left their slow Finnish boyfriends and reunited with their stoic husbands.

You're gloating about Russia's war crimes? You're a strange one.

I'm mocking your delusions that Ukraine is doing well in this war. It isn't.

"Russian ballistic missiles slammed into an apartment complex and a university building in President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's hometown Monday, killing six people and wounding 75 others as the blasts trapped residents beneath rubble, Ukrainian officials said.

The dead included a 10-year-old girl and her mother, according to Zelenskyy. More than 350 people were involved in the rescue operation, he said in a Telegram post."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-says-russian-missiles-hit-083412246.html

This is Russia. This is what you're ha-ha'ing about. This wasn't a military target.

I'm ha-ha'ing your delusions. Nothing else.

No, you’ve actually shown your true colors. Haha, that building will spring back like Athena. Haha, that 10-year old will come back to life and the children will be back to pre-war levels. Haha, look at the damage my army can do. Evil heart.

Well as you said...war is brutal. I'm always been curious how you decide who to weep for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"But there are a million ways to skin the cat."

"You see, by badly losing the battle of Kyiv and being chased out, and having my column chewed to shreds as I run with my tail between my legs, I'm actually winning!" 🤪

LOL right. OK. You convinced me. Ukraine got all its territory back and then some. All bombed-out buildings have sprung back from the earth fully done, like Athena from her father's forehead. All the refugees are back. Its economy is topping the charts. The population of young men is back to prewar levels. The wayward wives have left their slow Finnish boyfriends and reunited with their stoic husbands.

You're gloating about Russia's war crimes? You're a strange one.

I'm mocking your delusions that Ukraine is doing well in this war. It isn't.

"Russian ballistic missiles slammed into an apartment complex and a university building in President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's hometown Monday, killing six people and wounding 75 others as the blasts trapped residents beneath rubble, Ukrainian officials said.

The dead included a 10-year-old girl and her mother, according to Zelenskyy. More than 350 people were involved in the rescue operation, he said in a Telegram post."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-says-russian-missiles-hit-083412246.html

This is Russia. This is what you're ha-ha'ing about. This wasn't a military target.

I'm ha-ha'ing your delusions. Nothing else.

No, you’ve actually shown your true colors. Haha, that building will spring back like Athena. Haha, that 10-year old will come back to life and the children will be back to pre-war levels. Haha, look at the damage my army can do. Evil heart.

Well as you said...war is brutal. I'm always been curious how you decide who to weep for.

Multiple posters are responding to your war crime celebrations. I didn't make the comment about war being brutal, but I do agree with that poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"But there are a million ways to skin the cat."

"You see, by badly losing the battle of Kyiv and being chased out, and having my column chewed to shreds as I run with my tail between my legs, I'm actually winning!" 🤪

LOL right. OK. You convinced me. Ukraine got all its territory back and then some. All bombed-out buildings have sprung back from the earth fully done, like Athena from her father's forehead. All the refugees are back. Its economy is topping the charts. The population of young men is back to prewar levels. The wayward wives have left their slow Finnish boyfriends and reunited with their stoic husbands.

You're gloating about Russia's war crimes? You're a strange one.

I'm mocking your delusions that Ukraine is doing well in this war. It isn't.

"Russian ballistic missiles slammed into an apartment complex and a university building in President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's hometown Monday, killing six people and wounding 75 others as the blasts trapped residents beneath rubble, Ukrainian officials said.

The dead included a 10-year-old girl and her mother, according to Zelenskyy. More than 350 people were involved in the rescue operation, he said in a Telegram post."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-says-russian-missiles-hit-083412246.html

This is Russia. This is what you're ha-ha'ing about. This wasn't a military target.

I'm ha-ha'ing your delusions. Nothing else.

No, you’ve actually shown your true colors. Haha, that building will spring back like Athena. Haha, that 10-year old will come back to life and the children will be back to pre-war levels. Haha, look at the damage my army can do. Evil heart.

Well as you said...war is brutal. I'm always been curious how you decide who to weep for.

Multiple posters are responding to your war crime celebrations. I didn't make the comment about war being brutal, but I do agree with that poster.

I guess you don't understand sarcasm but one should never expect any keenness for nuance on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"But there are a million ways to skin the cat."

"You see, by badly losing the battle of Kyiv and being chased out, and having my column chewed to shreds as I run with my tail between my legs, I'm actually winning!" 🤪

LOL right. OK. You convinced me. Ukraine got all its territory back and then some. All bombed-out buildings have sprung back from the earth fully done, like Athena from her father's forehead. All the refugees are back. Its economy is topping the charts. The population of young men is back to prewar levels. The wayward wives have left their slow Finnish boyfriends and reunited with their stoic husbands.

You're gloating about Russia's war crimes? You're a strange one.

I'm mocking your delusions that Ukraine is doing well in this war. It isn't.

"Russian ballistic missiles slammed into an apartment complex and a university building in President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's hometown Monday, killing six people and wounding 75 others as the blasts trapped residents beneath rubble, Ukrainian officials said.

The dead included a 10-year-old girl and her mother, according to Zelenskyy. More than 350 people were involved in the rescue operation, he said in a Telegram post."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-says-russian-missiles-hit-083412246.html

This is Russia. This is what you're ha-ha'ing about. This wasn't a military target.

I'm ha-ha'ing your delusions. Nothing else.

No, you’ve actually shown your true colors. Haha, that building will spring back like Athena. Haha, that 10-year old will come back to life and the children will be back to pre-war levels. Haha, look at the damage my army can do. Evil heart.

Well as you said...war is brutal. I'm always been curious how you decide who to weep for.

Multiple posters are responding to your war crime celebrations. I didn't make the comment about war being brutal, but I do agree with that poster.

I guess you don't understand sarcasm but one should never expect any keenness for nuance on DCUM.

I do understand sarcasm. War crimes are funny, right? Haha, Ukraine will take 50 years to recover. LOL, another kid died in an apartment building attack.

[Anonymous]

I'm sad you didn't like the maps. The Truth can be inconvenient sometimes. For some it's a difficult thing to see.

"Tolstoy, the deputy chairman of the Russian parliament's lower house, issued the stark warning as he appeared on Russian television over the weekend."
"Right now, we're in a situation where either we win in this war, or we cease to exist as a people and a nation."
"Either they destroy us or we destroy them."
"Let me reiterate: the fate of our country is at stake. It's either us or them."
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1797142/Putin-warning-Russia-cease-to-exist-Ukraine-war

Putin and others like Tolstoy believe that if they "win" in Ukraine, that all will be forgiven at home. They believe that a "win" will set everything back to how it was. They believe the Russian people are looking for a "win." Putin believed Kiev would cave in just like it did in 2014. Now Russian husbands over 30 are being called up, there will be so many broken families in Russia - but for what? Bragging rights that Ukraine was conquered? Нравится, не нравится. Спи, моя красавица! Терпи, моя красавица? Oh, how so brave and noble Russians are!

But I think that won't happen. I think Putin knows this, which is why he's forming regional armies. Anyone not with him, is against him and must be subjugated, or eliminated.

“As an economist, I don’t know how this bubble can be deflated,”
“One day it could all crash like a house of cards.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/31/world/europe/russia-war-economy.html

Again, my bet is two years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"But there are a million ways to skin the cat."

"You see, by badly losing the battle of Kyiv and being chased out, and having my column chewed to shreds as I run with my tail between my legs, I'm actually winning!" 🤪

LOL right. OK. You convinced me. Ukraine got all its territory back and then some. All bombed-out buildings have sprung back from the earth fully done, like Athena from her father's forehead. All the refugees are back. Its economy is topping the charts. The population of young men is back to prewar levels. The wayward wives have left their slow Finnish boyfriends and reunited with their stoic husbands.

You're gloating about Russia's war crimes? You're a strange one.

Are you are celebrating Ukraine’s crimes. You are a strange hypocrite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm sad you didn't like the maps. The Truth can be inconvenient sometimes. For some it's a difficult thing to see.

"Tolstoy, the deputy chairman of the Russian parliament's lower house, issued the stark warning as he appeared on Russian television over the weekend."
"Right now, we're in a situation where either we win in this war, or we cease to exist as a people and a nation."
"Either they destroy us or we destroy them."
"Let me reiterate: the fate of our country is at stake. It's either us or them."
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1797142/Putin-warning-Russia-cease-to-exist-Ukraine-war

Putin and others like Tolstoy believe that if they "win" in Ukraine, that all will be forgiven at home. They believe that a "win" will set everything back to how it was. They believe the Russian people are looking for a "win." Putin believed Kiev would cave in just like it did in 2014. Now Russian husbands over 30 are being called up, there will be so many broken families in Russia - but for what? Bragging rights that Ukraine was conquered? Нравится, не нравится. Спи, моя красавица! Терпи, моя красавица? Oh, how so brave and noble Russians are!

But I think that won't happen. I think Putin knows this, which is why he's forming regional armies. Anyone not with him, is against him and must be subjugated, or eliminated.

“As an economist, I don’t know how this bubble can be deflated,”
“One day it could all crash like a house of cards.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/31/world/europe/russia-war-economy.html

Again, my bet is two years.

I’m sorry to tell you that you’ll lose that bet badly.
Russia has already accomplished part of its objectives. People from the Donbass have gained their freedom from the tyranny of Ukraine’s government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"But there are a million ways to skin the cat."

"You see, by badly losing the battle of Kyiv and being chased out, and having my column chewed to shreds as I run with my tail between my legs, I'm actually winning!" 🤪

LOL right. OK. You convinced me. Ukraine got all its territory back and then some. All bombed-out buildings have sprung back from the earth fully done, like Athena from her father's forehead. All the refugees are back. Its economy is topping the charts. The population of young men is back to prewar levels. The wayward wives have left their slow Finnish boyfriends and reunited with their stoic husbands.

You're gloating about Russia's war crimes? You're a strange one.

Are you are celebrating Ukraine’s crimes. You are a strange hypocrite.

I have not celebrated them. This would need to occur for me to be a hypocrite. Projection is commonly used in politics to shift blame (we see Putin and his cronies doing this all the time), but it's an ineffective and transparent defense.

[Anonymous]

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Russia defeated Napoleon and Hitler when everybody thought that they were finished and retreating. Never underestimate Russia.
The country on-track towards anarchy is Ukraine. Have you been there? I have. The level of destruction is unimaginable. It will take 50 years to rebuild that country once the war is over.
Ukraine's counteroffensive is failing badly. Zelensky would be wise to negotiate a settlement to end the war and preserve the territories they currently have under control, but more importantly to preserve the life of ten of thousands of Ukrainian people.

Napoleon, WTF are you talking about? How is that relevant at all? If anything, Russia and its crappy supply lines are playing the role of Napoleon in this war. Ukraine's counteroffensive is already far more successful than Russia's winter offensive. How many bodies did they throw away to level a town they've already lost?

It is relevant because Russia has now moved into a defensive position. Ukraine took the bait and started a counteroffensive that will prove to be a fatal mistake. Russia is stronger when they play defense. That's why Napoleon's war is relevant, so is Hitler's. Russia can't lose in defensive positions. It never has. Napoleon and Hitler know it too well. Zelensky will regret starting this counteroffensive. They will be crushed like many other that have tried.

?? Having a huge tactical advantage while playing defense is not uniquely Russian. It's why Russia's initial offensive was so pitifully anemic. Their supposed "second best army in the world" failed to capture (or even enter) the capital of its neighbor, who at the time, hadn't been truly geared up by the West. But Russia isn't playing defense at home. They're playing defense in occupied territory and will have to be supplied, refreshed, replenished, etc. That's where they'll fail and ultimately repeat their awesome Kharkiv defense. Unless by defense, do you mean running away with looted toilets?

They aren't even "playing defense" - the Ukrainian advance is accelerating, and the Russians keep losing territory. Ukraine has recaptured several towns in just the last few days alone. And, Russia faces an ever increasing number of strikes against military, intel and government targets well inside Russia's own borders, not just on key depots and bases deep inside territory they hold.

You are dreaming. Ukraine’s counteroffensive is a disaster. NATO and the West have acknowledged it and are putting more pressure on Zelensky.

“When Ukraine launched its big counteroffensive this spring, Western military officials knew Kyiv didn’t have all the training or weapons—from shells to warplanes—that it needed to dislodge Russian forces. But they hoped Ukrainian courage and resourcefulness would carry the day. They haven’t. Deep and deadly minefields, extensive fortifications and Russian air power have combined to largely block significant advances by Ukrainian’s troops.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sad you didn't like the maps. The Truth can be inconvenient sometimes. For some it's a difficult thing to see.

"Tolstoy, the deputy chairman of the Russian parliament's lower house, issued the stark warning as he appeared on Russian television over the weekend."
"Right now, we're in a situation where either we win in this war, or we cease to exist as a people and a nation."
"Either they destroy us or we destroy them."
"Let me reiterate: the fate of our country is at stake. It's either us or them."
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1797142/Putin-warning-Russia-cease-to-exist-Ukraine-war

Putin and others like Tolstoy believe that if they "win" in Ukraine, that all will be forgiven at home. They believe that a "win" will set everything back to how it was. They believe the Russian people are looking for a "win." Putin believed Kiev would cave in just like it did in 2014. Now Russian husbands over 30 are being called up, there will be so many broken families in Russia - but for what? Bragging rights that Ukraine was conquered? Нравится, не нравится. Спи, моя красавица! Терпи, моя красавица? Oh, how so brave and noble Russians are!

But I think that won't happen. I think Putin knows this, which is why he's forming regional armies. Anyone not with him, is against him and must be subjugated, or eliminated.

“As an economist, I don’t know how this bubble can be deflated,”
“One day it could all crash like a house of cards.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/31/world/europe/russia-war-economy.html

Again, my bet is two years.

I’m sorry to tell you that you’ll lose that bet badly.
Russia has already accomplished part of its objectives. People from the Donbass have gained their freedom from the tyranny of Ukraine’s government.

In other words, the Donbass supplied innumerable conscripts for Russia to feed into their antiquated meat grinder style of warfare. Russian style of freedom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Russia defeated Napoleon and Hitler when everybody thought that they were finished and retreating. Never underestimate Russia.
The country on-track towards anarchy is Ukraine. Have you been there? I have. The level of destruction is unimaginable. It will take 50 years to rebuild that country once the war is over.
Ukraine's counteroffensive is failing badly. Zelensky would be wise to negotiate a settlement to end the war and preserve the territories they currently have under control, but more importantly to preserve the life of ten of thousands of Ukrainian people.

Napoleon, WTF are you talking about? How is that relevant at all? If anything, Russia and its crappy supply lines are playing the role of Napoleon in this war. Ukraine's counteroffensive is already far more successful than Russia's winter offensive. How many bodies did they throw away to level a town they've already lost?

It is relevant because Russia has now moved into a defensive position. Ukraine took the bait and started a counteroffensive that will prove to be a fatal mistake. Russia is stronger when they play defense. That's why Napoleon's war is relevant, so is Hitler's. Russia can't lose in defensive positions. It never has. Napoleon and Hitler know it too well. Zelensky will regret starting this counteroffensive. They will be crushed like many other that have tried.

?? Having a huge tactical advantage while playing defense is not uniquely Russian. It's why Russia's initial offensive was so pitifully anemic. Their supposed "second best army in the world" failed to capture (or even enter) the capital of its neighbor, who at the time, hadn't been truly geared up by the West. But Russia isn't playing defense at home. They're playing defense in occupied territory and will have to be supplied, refreshed, replenished, etc. That's where they'll fail and ultimately repeat their awesome Kharkiv defense. Unless by defense, do you mean running away with looted toilets?

They aren't even "playing defense" - the Ukrainian advance is accelerating, and the Russians keep losing territory. Ukraine has recaptured several towns in just the last few days alone. And, Russia faces an ever increasing number of strikes against military, intel and government targets well inside Russia's own borders, not just on key depots and bases deep inside territory they hold.

You are dreaming. Ukraine’s counteroffensive is a disaster. NATO and the West have acknowledged it and are putting more pressure on Zelensky.

“When Ukraine launched its big counteroffensive this spring, Western military officials knew Kyiv didn’t have all the training or weapons—from shells to warplanes—that it needed to dislodge Russian forces. But they hoped Ukrainian courage and resourcefulness would carry the day. They haven’t. Deep and deadly minefields, extensive fortifications and Russian air power have combined to largely block significant advances by Ukrainian’s troops.”

Ukraine has regained far more territory than Russia did in its disastrous offensive last winter. If Russia holds onto any territory, it's not even clear how they plan to continue to man it long-term, let alone rebuild.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sad you didn't like the maps. The Truth can be inconvenient sometimes. For some it's a difficult thing to see.

"Tolstoy, the deputy chairman of the Russian parliament's lower house, issued the stark warning as he appeared on Russian television over the weekend."
"Right now, we're in a situation where either we win in this war, or we cease to exist as a people and a nation."
"Either they destroy us or we destroy them."
"Let me reiterate: the fate of our country is at stake. It's either us or them."
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1797142/Putin-warning-Russia-cease-to-exist-Ukraine-war

Putin and others like Tolstoy believe that if they "win" in Ukraine, that all will be forgiven at home. They believe that a "win" will set everything back to how it was. They believe the Russian people are looking for a "win." Putin believed Kiev would cave in just like it did in 2014. Now Russian husbands over 30 are being called up, there will be so many broken families in Russia - but for what? Bragging rights that Ukraine was conquered? Нравится, не нравится. Спи, моя красавица! Терпи, моя красавица? Oh, how so brave and noble Russians are!

But I think that won't happen. I think Putin knows this, which is why he's forming regional armies. Anyone not with him, is against him and must be subjugated, or eliminated.

“As an economist, I don’t know how this bubble can be deflated,”
“One day it could all crash like a house of cards.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/31/world/europe/russia-war-economy.html

Again, my bet is two years.

I’m sorry to tell you that you’ll lose that bet badly.
Russia has already accomplished part of its objectives. People from the Donbass have gained their freedom from the tyranny of Ukraine’s government.

"Freedom?" lol. Oh, broken toy, you really don't get it, do you.

Berdiansk: "They don't all change the numbers, see? There are a lot of Ukrainian license plates. People are in no hurry."
"We change the asphalt pavement in Berdiansk, and they don't change the license plates"
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/15crsnn/russian_propagandist_wonders_why_the_temporarily/#

BTW - this is typical Russian mentality / logic. Russians invade, rape / murder / kidnap children, then make up for it by paving the street and expect the citizens to change to Russian license plates.

"The confrontation between the occupying contingent and the pro-Ukrainian civilian population is growing on the territory of temporarily occupied Crimea."
"In particular, attacks on military facilities using Molotov cocktails (bottles with a flammable mixture) have become systematic"
"Some citizens who refused to obtain Russian citizenship are considered "missing persons" after their arrests. Administrative punishments, large fines, and harassment are applied to those who remain free"
"People are dismissed from work, deprived of property and business."
"most of those detained and arrested are representatives of the Crimean Tatar people"
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/08/1/7413729/

[Anonymous]

The Russian strategy is to saturate occupied Ukraine with other ethnicities and blur the Ukrainian identity. The Kremlin has sent a lot of workers to Mariupol, particularly Russian indigenous peoples, including Buryats, Tuvans, representatives of Caucasian nationalities, and people from Central Asia.

Petro Andriushchenko, an adviser to the mayor of Mariupol and exiled resident of the city, said that, as well as displacing Ukrainians and providing a workforce, Russia was moving out people it didn’t want in its cities. “Moscow and St. Petersburg breathed out a sigh of relief,” he said.

Around 40,000 people have relocated to Mariupol, encouraged by promises of higher salaries, according to Andriushchenko. The average pay for construction work is 230,000 rubles ($2,550) a month, he explained. “There are no such salaries in Russia now. That’s why they go to Mariupol,” he said. “At first, Mariupol residents were hired for construction work, now they’re not.”

https://cepa.org/article/behind-the-lines-russias-ethnic-cleansing/