CA Proposition 8 Passes

[Anonymous]

http://www.mercurynews.com/samesexmarriage/ci_10901475

California's voters have approved a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, dealing a huge blow to the gay rights movement and setting the stage for another round of court battles over the volatile issue.

Maybe there is a glimmer of hope left for social conservatives after all.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.mercurynews.com/samesexmarriage/ci_10901475

California's voters have approved a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, dealing a huge blow to the gay rights movement and setting the stage for another round of court battles over the volatile issue.

Maybe there is a glimmer of hope left for social conservatives after all.

Very sad that on the same night one barrier of discrimination was broken, another was raised. I am so sorry for those families in California that will suffer as a result of this initiative.

[Anonymous]

Very sad that on the same night one barrier of discrimination was broken, another was raised. I am so sorry for those families in California that will suffer as a result of this initiative.

Ditto. It's a travesty, one that will eventually be corrected and ultimately will be viewed in the same way that we view anti-miscegenation laws today. I just hope we get there before too long.

[Anonymous]

In a day otherwise filled with hope and happiness, this result makes me sick.

[Anonymous]

Thousands of people were forcibly divorced by their neighbors.

Shame on you, California.

[Anonymous]

why do social conservatives care if gay people get married? They're not the ones marrying them...so what's it to them?

[Anonymous]

I think it is partly our confusion of words with reality. Marriage is sacred to people, so they think the word "marriage" is sacred. In order to protect their own marriages, they think they have to preserve the meaning of "marriage", somehow believing that a change in the meaning of "marriage" will change their own marriage.

At least I think that's a part of the reason in many cases.

I know from gays to whom I am close, that even if you don't have a partner, the idea that you are denied a route to happiness that is available to others, it is a terrible blow. For someone like Ellen Degeneres, who will suffer the involuntary divorce referred to above, it will surely be devastating. Perhaps seeing it personalized by her will give some understanding of their action to California voters.

[Anonymous]

I was in California last week and couldn't believe the hateful language in the yes on 8 ads. It's horrible.

[Anonymous]

You should have heard the robocalls using Obama's quote about marriage being a sacred union between a man and a woman. Then there were the robocalls saying he was winning in a landslide, aimed at suppressing anti-8 turnout. The unfortunate truth is that most areas of the state supported Prop 8, and it had huge African American support. My gay friends there have now had their marriages invalidated not once, but twice over the past 3 years. The culture war is not over by any stretch of the imagination.

[Anonymous]

I heard on NPR this morning that there was a huge minority turnout in CA this year and that perhaps that is why Prop 8 was not passed. They said that most hispanics and African Americans were against Gay Marriage.

This is just what I heard, Don't kill the messenger. or sue me.

[Anonymous]

Keep in mind: NO ONE in this country (as long as they are of legal age, which is --- like --- 14 in some places) is denied the right to marry. Our laws "protecting" marriage just have stipulations on whom each person may enter that contract with. A gay person can't marry their dog, or their 3 best friends, either, but that doesn't mean that they can't choose to enter into a marriage within the confines of the law.

And before this starts a stampede of flames, or a debate on gay marriage, I'm just saying that this is the way the CA "yes" proponents won this argument, at least for now. I think they tapped into something deeper, like the whole issue on whether or not being gay is a choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I heard on NPR this morning that there was a huge minority turnout in CA this year and that perhaps that is why Prop 8 was not passed. They said that most hispanics and African Americans were against Gay Marriage.

This is just what I heard, Don't kill the messenger. or sue me.

Actually, this doesn't surprise me. As an African-American lesbian w/a partner of 7 years, & baby boy, also raised in a Baptist Church, I have found that the Black Baptist Church can be one of the most judgemental group of people (NOT ALL-so don't jump all over me). BUT, I really find it ironic that as African Americans, we have fought so that we are judged by the content of our character, & NOT by the color of our skin. Yet, are first to persecute us, & deny us fundamental rights (Gay Americans) for being who we are.

[Anonymous]

I don't quite understand how a state can let a majority whim govern its constitution. What next? An amendment that marriage can only be between a Christian man and a Christian woman? Think how much more American America would be if we stopped having all those Jewish and Muslim babies being born.

And did I mention Hispanics, Asians, and other non-real Americans?

Note: Above contains some irony.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't quite understand how a state can let a majority whim govern its constitution. What next? An amendment that marriage can only be between a Christian man and a Christian woman? Think how much more American America would be if we stopped having all those Jewish and Muslim babies being born.

And did I mention Hispanics, Asians, and other non-real Americans?

Note: Above contains some irony.

Irony?
I better believe you.

[Anonymous]

I don't think it's fair to call this vote a "majority whim." The man-woman-marriage thing is a very deeply held belief by a lot of people. It's not a whim that will change next week.....