Magnet Middle School Thread: MAP scores and results

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I call BS to 98 percent is 90 percent in MCPS. We are such a large district we have to revert towards mean.

Agree. MCPS and national averages are only apart by one percentage point as stated on the MAP report. But my bigger issue is that people peg so much on a particular MAP score when 1) they correlate to SES, 2) fall MAP scores are suspect due to kids having taken them at home over zoom, and 3) their reliability is tainted by tutors, outside classes and other such exposures. Outlier scores are suspect because MAP tests knowledge, not potential.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I call BS to 98 percent is 90 percent in MCPS. We are such a large district we have to revert towards mean.

You get MCPS scores and National scores in your Map reports. We all know there is a few percentage point difference with MCPS scores being higher.
If you have a child in 5th last year you got MCPS scores for your SES and national scores for Cogat. There is a huge gap between MCPS scores and national percentiles in the highest SES group. DC was 99th percentile nationally but only 95th in MCPS for that group. A friend had 98th percentile scores and I think her parent said it was 90th for MCPS for that group.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I call BS to 98 percent is 90 percent in MCPS. We are such a large district we have to revert towards mean.

You get MCPS scores and National scores in your Map reports. We all know there is a few percentage point difference with MCPS scores being higher.
If you have a child in 5th last year you got MCPS scores for your SES and national scores for Cogat. There is a huge gap between MCPS scores and national percentiles in the highest SES group. DC was 99th percentile nationally but only 95th in MCPS for that group. A friend had 98th percentile scores and I think her parent said it was 90th for MCPS for that group.

Remember that not all 5th graders took the CogAT last year, so the MCPS percentiles were skewed; students were invited to test after a universal review of grades, MAP, etc. If only the top 25% or so of students took the test, then a student that might have been a 99th nationally could still be 98th or 99th in MCPS as a whole, but 95th for that top group of students that tested.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I call BS to 98 percent is 90 percent in MCPS. We are such a large district we have to revert towards mean.

You get MCPS scores and National scores in your Map reports. We all know there is a few percentage point difference with MCPS scores being higher.
If you have a child in 5th last year you got MCPS scores for your SES and national scores for Cogat. There is a huge gap between MCPS scores and national percentiles in the highest SES group. DC was 99th percentile nationally but only 95th in MCPS for that group. A friend had 98th percentile scores and I think her parent said it was 90th for MCPS for that group.

I'm looking at my child's MAP Progress Report. Can someone tell me where it shows the SES? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I call BS to 98 percent is 90 percent in MCPS. We are such a large district we have to revert towards mean.

You get MCPS scores and National scores in your Map reports. We all know there is a few percentage point difference with MCPS scores being higher.
If you have a child in 5th last year you got MCPS scores for your SES and national scores for Cogat. There is a huge gap between MCPS scores and national percentiles in the highest SES group. DC was 99th percentile nationally but only 95th in MCPS for that group. A friend had 98th percentile scores and I think her parent said it was 90th for MCPS for that group.

Remember that not all 5th graders took the CogAT last year, so the MCPS percentiles were skewed; students were invited to test after a universal review of grades, MAP, etc. If only the top 25% or so of students took the test, then a student that might have been a 99th nationally could still be 98th or 99th in MCPS as a whole, but 95th for that top group of students that tested.

When my kid took Cogat in 3rd a couple years ago, they were 99% nationally and only 94% for MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Don't know what everyone's yammering on about. It's been established several times already that the magnet cutoffs were higher in previous years. Sheesh.

[Anonymous]

LOWER I mean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't know what everyone's yammering on about. It's been established several times already that the magnet cutoffs were higher in previous years. Sheesh.

I don't think there's a hardline but 240 being tossed around seems about right for the STEM magnet and a bit lower for the Humanities. In past years it seemed much higher.

[Anonymous]

Not according to others on this thread. Go back and reread it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't know what everyone's yammering on about. It's been established several times already that the magnet cutoffs were higher in previous years. Sheesh.

I don't think there's a hardline but 240 being tossed around seems about right for the STEM magnet and a bit lower for the Humanities. In past years it seemed much higher.

In past years the pool was about the same the difference was how selection worked. Other years students were selected from the pool based on their scores relative to their home ms cohort This year they used a random lottery.

[Anonymous]

Seems only fair. How can you even trust the latest MAP scores?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I call BS to 98 percent is 90 percent in MCPS. We are such a large district we have to revert towards mean.

Agree. MCPS and national averages are only apart by one percentage point as stated on the MAP report. But my bigger issue is that people peg so much on a particular MAP score when 1) they correlate to SES, 2) fall MAP scores are suspect due to kids having taken them at home over zoom, and 3) their reliability is tainted by tutors, outside classes and other such exposures. Outlier scores are suspect because MAP tests knowledge, not potential.

They used to publish a bar graph with the MAP scores that compared county to national mean. MCPS was always about 3% higher. So 98% would be more like 95% if the data that MCPS published was accurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems only fair. How can you even trust the latest MAP scores?

At our school the exam was proctored with cameras on. I know my kid had was within the same percentile they'd been in for the past 5 years too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I call BS to 98 percent is 90 percent in MCPS. We are such a large district we have to revert towards mean.

Agree. MCPS and national averages are only apart by one percentage point as stated on the MAP report. But my bigger issue is that people peg so much on a particular MAP score when 1) they correlate to SES, 2) fall MAP scores are suspect due to kids having taken them at home over zoom, and 3) their reliability is tainted by tutors, outside classes and other such exposures. Outlier scores are suspect because MAP tests knowledge, not potential.

They used to publish a bar graph with the MAP scores that compared county to national mean. MCPS was always about 3% higher. So 98% would be more like 95% if the data that MCPS published was accurate.

That sounds a lot like 99% national on the CogAT being in the range from 97%-99% for MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I call BS to 98 percent is 90 percent in MCPS. We are such a large district we have to revert towards mean.

Agree. MCPS and national averages are only apart by one percentage point as stated on the MAP report. But my bigger issue is that people peg so much on a particular MAP score when 1) they correlate to SES, 2) fall MAP scores are suspect due to kids having taken them at home over zoom, and 3) their reliability is tainted by tutors, outside classes and other such exposures. Outlier scores are suspect because MAP tests knowledge, not potential.

They used to publish a bar graph with the MAP scores that compared county to national mean. MCPS was always about 3% higher. So 98% would be more like 95% if the data that MCPS published was accurate.

That sounds a lot like 99% national on the CogAT being in the range from 97%-99% for MCPS.

For the CogAT 98% National was more like 92%-95% MCPS.