Magnet Middle School Thread: MAP scores and results

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it seems that some kids with lower scores ‘won’ the lottery and that’s bad luck for the high scoring and also deserving kids. I don’t understand how high scorers were not included in the pool when there are clearly kids with lower (still very good) scores in there.

A much simpler way to doing it would have been to select the top scorers, taking into account previous years of MAP scores to account for the pandemic.

True, although the scores may not be the perfect predictor for success in magnet programs.

Honestly, the magnet middle school program could double or triple their seating and not dilute their excellence. Due to seat shortages, it's more selective than either high school or elementary school magnets.

No selection method is perfect, but I would rather have a strictly academic selection method than any other. This isn't so much for the children who get in since I know they'll do well (see above). It's to allow the outliers and higher-scorers to avoid their home school. A bright kid who is on the cusp might be expected to do well at either school, but for a kid who consistently scores higher than anyone else - how can anyone think they'd be fine in their home school? Weren't magnets made for just these children?

I agree but you have to have the top kids there or else it's pointless. At TPMS there's a core group of a dozen kids in each grade who are exceptional. Other kids go there to be with these kids. If they are no longer there then what?

[Anonymous]

Based on the limited data that I have at my disposal - posted here and my own child - they are using higher cut-offs for the "pool" than prior years, that is certain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fall 2020 MAP: 244 math 240 reading
Report card: straight A's
School: CES Chevy Chase

Lottery pool status: in pool for Eastern and Takoma Park

Magnet status: selected for TPMS but not Eastern

Girl?
There were kids with 270+ MAP last year not selected.

There were also boys with 240 ish math MAP that were selected last year at TPMS. My kid (boy) was one of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fall 2020 MAP: 244 math 240 reading
Report card: straight A's
School: CES Chevy Chase

Lottery pool status: in pool for Eastern and Takoma Park

Magnet status: selected for TPMS but not Eastern

Girl?
There were kids with 270+ MAP last year not selected.

No Boy but it's a lottery so it's not about their score beyond making the pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw the letter in our Informed Delivery, but it wasn’t delivered with our mail. Thank you, USPS. Are the notices going to be posted somewhere? Like in ParentVue?

We got our letter today in the mail but it is not in PatrntVue.

Does anyone know how we accept lottery placement? There was no email
Address given in the letter.

Hopefully you will get a personal email invitation to a virtual open house, which will give instructions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fall 2020 MAP: 244 math 240 reading
Report card: straight A's
School: CES Chevy Chase

Lottery pool status: in pool for Eastern and Takoma Park

Magnet status: selected for TPMS but not Eastern

Girl?
There were kids with 270+ MAP last year not selected.

OP here. For reference, my child is a girl, with higher scores, and from the same CES, and did not get in. She's Asian, though. I don't know if MCPS takes gender and race into consideration. I hope not.

Taking race into account is ilegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fall 2020 MAP: 244 math 240 reading
Report card: straight A's
School: CES Chevy Chase

Lottery pool status: in pool for Eastern and Takoma Park

Magnet status: selected for TPMS but not Eastern

Girl?
There were kids with 270+ MAP last year not selected.

OP here. For reference, my child is a girl, with higher scores, and from the same CES, and did not get in. She's Asian, though. I don't know if MCPS takes gender and race into consideration. I hope not.

It’s a lottery. Once they’re in pool, the actual scores don’t matter.

They might have separate pools for boys and girls if they want to keep some kind of gender balance.

THIS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it seems that some kids with lower scores ‘won’ the lottery and that’s bad luck for the high scoring and also deserving kids. I don’t understand how high scorers were not included in the pool when there are clearly kids with lower (still very good) scores in there.

A much simpler way to doing it would have been to select the top scorers, taking into account previous years of MAP scores to account for the pandemic.

True, although the scores may not be the perfect predictor for success in magnet programs.

Honestly, the magnet middle school program could double or triple their seating and not dilute their excellence. Due to seat shortages, it's more selective than either high school or elementary school magnets.

No selection method is perfect, but I would rather have a strictly academic selection method than any other. This isn't so much for the children who get in since I know they'll do well (see above). It's to allow the outliers and higher-scorers to avoid their home school. A bright kid who is on the cusp might be expected to do well at either school, but for a kid who consistently scores higher than anyone else - how can anyone think they'd be fine in their home school? Weren't magnets made for just these children?

That is what some posters argued a few months ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it seems that some kids with lower scores ‘won’ the lottery and that’s bad luck for the high scoring and also deserving kids. I don’t understand how high scorers were not included in the pool when there are clearly kids with lower (still very good) scores in there.

A much simpler way to doing it would have been to select the top scorers, taking into account previous years of MAP scores to account for the pandemic.

True, although the scores may not be the perfect predictor for success in magnet programs.

Honestly, the magnet middle school program could double or triple their seating and not dilute their excellence. Due to seat shortages, it's more selective than either high school or elementary school magnets.

No selection method is perfect, but I would rather have a strictly academic selection method than any other. This isn't so much for the children who get in since I know they'll do well (see above). It's to allow the outliers and higher-scorers to avoid their home school. A bright kid who is on the cusp might be expected to do well at either school, but for a kid who consistently scores higher than anyone else - how can anyone think they'd be fine in their home school? Weren't magnets made for just these children?

I agree but you have to have the top kids there or else it's pointless. At TPMS there's a core group of a dozen kids in each grade who are exceptional. Other kids go there to be with these kids. If they are no longer there then what?

They are top kids. I mean they're all in the top 10%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it seems that some kids with lower scores ‘won’ the lottery and that’s bad luck for the high scoring and also deserving kids. I don’t understand how high scorers were not included in the pool when there are clearly kids with lower (still very good) scores in there.

A much simpler way to doing it would have been to select the top scorers, taking into account previous years of MAP scores to account for the pandemic.

True, although the scores may not be the perfect predictor for success in magnet programs.

Honestly, the magnet middle school program could double or triple their seating and not dilute their excellence. Due to seat shortages, it's more selective than either high school or elementary school magnets.

No selection method is perfect, but I would rather have a strictly academic selection method than any other. This isn't so much for the children who get in since I know they'll do well (see above). It's to allow the outliers and higher-scorers to avoid their home school. A bright kid who is on the cusp might be expected to do well at either school, but for a kid who consistently scores higher than anyone else - how can anyone think they'd be fine in their home school? Weren't magnets made for just these children?

I agree but you have to have the top kids there or else it's pointless. At TPMS there's a core group of a dozen kids in each grade who are exceptional. Other kids go there to be with these kids. If they are no longer there then what?

That's what I'm debating. Is it really worth going to magnet now with all that commute?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it seems that some kids with lower scores ‘won’ the lottery and that’s bad luck for the high scoring and also deserving kids. I don’t understand how high scorers were not included in the pool when there are clearly kids with lower (still very good) scores in there.

A much simpler way to doing it would have been to select the top scorers, taking into account previous years of MAP scores to account for the pandemic.

True, although the scores may not be the perfect predictor for success in magnet programs.

Honestly, the magnet middle school program could double or triple their seating and not dilute their excellence. Due to seat shortages, it's more selective than either high school or elementary school magnets.

No selection method is perfect, but I would rather have a strictly academic selection method than any other. This isn't so much for the children who get in since I know they'll do well (see above). It's to allow the outliers and higher-scorers to avoid their home school. A bright kid who is on the cusp might be expected to do well at either school, but for a kid who consistently scores higher than anyone else - how can anyone think they'd be fine in their home school? Weren't magnets made for just these children?

I agree but you have to have the top kids there or else it's pointless. At TPMS there's a core group of a dozen kids in each grade who are exceptional. Other kids go there to be with these kids. If they are no longer there then what?

They are top kids. I mean they're all in the top 10%.

You don't understand. There is top 10%, or even 1%, and then there are these handful of kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it seems that some kids with lower scores ‘won’ the lottery and that’s bad luck for the high scoring and also deserving kids. I don’t understand how high scorers were not included in the pool when there are clearly kids with lower (still very good) scores in there.

A much simpler way to doing it would have been to select the top scorers, taking into account previous years of MAP scores to account for the pandemic.

True, although the scores may not be the perfect predictor for success in magnet programs.

Honestly, the magnet middle school program could double or triple their seating and not dilute their excellence. Due to seat shortages, it's more selective than either high school or elementary school magnets.

No selection method is perfect, but I would rather have a strictly academic selection method than any other. This isn't so much for the children who get in since I know they'll do well (see above). It's to allow the outliers and higher-scorers to avoid their home school. A bright kid who is on the cusp might be expected to do well at either school, but for a kid who consistently scores higher than anyone else - how can anyone think they'd be fine in their home school? Weren't magnets made for just these children?

I agree but you have to have the top kids there or else it's pointless. At TPMS there's a core group of a dozen kids in each grade who are exceptional. Other kids go there to be with these kids. If they are no longer there then what?

They are top kids. I mean they're all in the top 10%.

My 96%ile MAP-M kid did not make the cut for TPMS, so it's likely higher than that. Full disclosure: Kid also had a B in one math topic first quarter, because there was one test, and one question on the particular standard for which they did not use the correct model from Eureka to solve. (Does that make child less worthy than other 96%ile kids?) Proving once again that it is all a crap shoot, my friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it seems that some kids with lower scores ‘won’ the lottery and that’s bad luck for the high scoring and also deserving kids. I don’t understand how high scorers were not included in the pool when there are clearly kids with lower (still very good) scores in there.

A much simpler way to doing it would have been to select the top scorers, taking into account previous years of MAP scores to account for the pandemic.

True, although the scores may not be the perfect predictor for success in magnet programs.

Honestly, the magnet middle school program could double or triple their seating and not dilute their excellence. Due to seat shortages, it's more selective than either high school or elementary school magnets.

No selection method is perfect, but I would rather have a strictly academic selection method than any other. This isn't so much for the children who get in since I know they'll do well (see above). It's to allow the outliers and higher-scorers to avoid their home school. A bright kid who is on the cusp might be expected to do well at either school, but for a kid who consistently scores higher than anyone else - how can anyone think they'd be fine in their home school? Weren't magnets made for just these children?

I agree but you have to have the top kids there or else it's pointless. At TPMS there's a core group of a dozen kids in each grade who are exceptional. Other kids go there to be with these kids. If they are no longer there then what?

And this top dozen group is uniquely determined by the top dozen MAP scores? I am not trying to be snarky, just curious.

[Anonymous]

You guys are going to freak the *#% out, but my DD is in the high-average 89% for math and the 96% for reading on recent MAPS, all As, in the enriched math etc in her regular ES and she was placed in the lottery pool for both. Did not get placed in either. Do you think they took cohort into account this year? Congrats on all your 99% everything kiddos! But sad about not getting a chance for my DD to go to Eastern. I love that program so much. TP would not have been a good fit... but I admit to feeling good she was in the pool. Those of you with 99-ers are probably (justifiably?) angry that she was, I admit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You guys are going to freak the *#% out, but my DD is in the high-average 89% for math and the 96% for reading on recent MAPS, all As, in the enriched math etc in her regular ES and she was placed in the lottery pool for both. Did not get placed in either. Do you think they took cohort into account this year? Congrats on all your 99% everything kiddos! But sad about not getting a chance for my DD to go to Eastern. I love that program so much. TP would not have been a good fit... but I admit to feeling good she was in the pool. Those of you with 99-ers are probably (justifiably?) angry that she was, I admit.

We’d be livid if she had been admitted