New Girls High School Lacrosse Club

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I disagree with both PPs. I think there are plenty of us who advocate assertive and aggressive play but who despise the illegal physicality and stick work that is manifesting with certain teams under the guidance of certain coaches. I think the comparison of ballet versus brawl is very apt. Our daughters have been fortunate to be on winning teams so we're not "afraid of losses", whatever that idiotic statement means. What we do fear, our daughters and us, is that some girl going on out-of-control aggression is going to hurt or kill someone because of the aggressor's inability and unwillingness to keep it legal.

You cannot have it both ways and still maintain a rational point. You state that physical play is a "trend" in the game yet it only applies to certain teams and coaches? If it is only a very specific pair of teams (M&D and YJ) then simply do not allow your daughter to play when your team plays those teams. Problem would be solved. However, you will find that a more physical style of play continues in the game. While we can all agree that NO ONE is a fan of watching a player hit another player on the head with a deliberate act, that is not what is at debate here. Another post did a great job of defining a more physical style in the current game. The fact that your team wins is great however you seem to be focusing frustration on two clubs that do not loose to DMV teams. Therefore, when I read your posts it appears that your true issue is the fact that your daughters teams do not win when playing these teams and the safety issue is the excuse you use to justify the loosing. I am sure the comment, "it is ok, if they have to play like that to win it is not worth it." is common during the car ride home. Sorry if the truth hurts. Good luck taming your shrew at ballet class.

[Anonymous]

Go to any tournament where Capital or Stars or Pride is playing. They are always ALWAYS the smallest, skinniest teams in their age group. If I had a nickle for every time a person on the sidelines commented on how small the DC area teams look compared to everyone else I’d be rich. And it’s not that girls in this area are smaller than average. It’s that local club coaches care far more about speed than strength. So they can only play the older style of lax. You’d think they would figure it out when they can’t ever beat the bigger stronger top teams. These clubs, especially at the high school level, need to evolve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Go to any tournament where Capital or Stars or Pride is playing. They are always ALWAYS the smallest, skinniest teams in their age group. If I had a nickle for every time a person on the sidelines commented on how small the DC area teams look compared to everyone else I’d be rich. And it’s not that girls in this area are smaller than average. It’s that local club coaches care far more about speed than strength. So they can only play the older style of lax. You’d think they would figure it out when they can’t ever beat the bigger stronger top teams. These clubs, especially at the high school level, need to evolve.

Disagree with that statement 100% and I am a Pride, Stars and Capital parent. Of course some of the opposing players are bigger but you are describing players from Stars, Pride and Capital almost as if they are freakish runts on the field compared to the other teams and that is simply not true. I have not once noticed an overall significant difference in size when comparing a DD's team to an opposing team.

Personally, I do not want HS girl lacrosse players looking like football players. Fine, maybe if you want to play D1 for the top teams and all you care about is lax, but for those who are very talented but do not see lacrosse as the be-all-end-all, no. That would shut out way too many talented players.

And BTW, my DDs took ballet for many years and that conditioning only helped them become excellent lax players.

[Anonymous]

One of the primary differences between women's lacrosse and ballet is defense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting to see so many parents who want the game to become more physically aggressive and dangerous. Are you folks aware of the declining popularity of football due to the increasing evidence of serious injury and even mortality? And, BTW, as a former ballet dancer whose daughter plays lacrosse, I'd say that both activities require comparable levels of strength, stamina, speed, agility, kinetic awareness and determination.

I think it is just one a-hole whose girl's only "skill" is swinging at heads. You definitely can see a correlation between that parent's posts and the absurd rationalizations of dangerous play. The apple doesn't fall far from that tree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I disagree with both PPs. I think there are plenty of us who advocate assertive and aggressive play but who despise the illegal physicality and stick work that is manifesting with certain teams under the guidance of certain coaches. I think the comparison of ballet versus brawl is very apt. Our daughters have been fortunate to be on winning teams so we're not "afraid of losses", whatever that idiotic statement means. What we do fear, our daughters and us, is that some girl going on out-of-control aggression is going to hurt or kill someone because of the aggressor's inability and unwillingness to keep it legal.

You cannot have it both ways and still maintain a rational point. You state that physical play is a "trend" in the game yet it only applies to certain teams and coaches? If it is only a very specific pair of teams (M&D and YJ) then simply do not allow your daughter to play when your team plays those teams. Problem would be solved. However, you will find that a more physical style of play continues in the game. While we can all agree that NO ONE is a fan of watching a player hit another player on the head with a deliberate act, that is not what is at debate here. Another post did a great job of defining a more physical style in the current game. The fact that your team wins is great however you seem to be focusing frustration on two clubs that do not loose to DMV teams. Therefore, when I read your posts it appears that your true issue is the fact that your daughters teams do not win when playing these teams and the safety issue is the excuse you use to justify the loosing. I am sure the comment, "it is ok, if they have to play like that to win it is not worth it." is common during the car ride home. Sorry if the truth hurts. Good luck taming your shrew at ballet class.

You're projecting and making assumptions. Our daughter plays on a D1 team. Since the teams you've cited don't play college lax it would be difficult to imagine a circumstance where our daughter's team played them. Furthermore, it is difficult to understand how a team that was in the NCAA Finals could be viewed as my trying to "justify the loosing". Additionally, our daughter's middle school and high school travel teams were not in the DMV or Baltimore areas.

FWIW I can guarantee you that the parents on the sidelines of D1 are not supporting the dangerous aggressive play that you are advocating. Neither are the women on those teams or their coaches. There is too much at risk by having some out-of-control wild person seriously injure or kill another player. If you disagree then I suggest you begin attending some high-level D1 games and then come back and tell me what you see in the stands and on the field. It is vastly difference than this alternate universe that you seem to live in.

In the meantime, I am finished with you and your tripe. You get what you deserve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting to see so many parents who want the game to become more physically aggressive and dangerous. Are you folks aware of the declining popularity of football due to the increasing evidence of serious injury and even mortality? And, BTW, as a former ballet dancer whose daughter plays lacrosse, I'd say that both activities require comparable levels of strength, stamina, speed, agility, kinetic awareness and determination.

Total mischaracterization oif what people are saying on this thread, PP.

Parents are saying girls lacrosse here, in the DC area, is not taught correctly and it’s hurting our daughters who want to compete at the highest level. Lacrosse in DC is taught by old school coaches whose style of play is stuck back in the 1990s. It’s 2018. It’s time for our girls, their teams, to play the modern game that is played elsewhere, in the areas with the most sucessful clubs and girls who go on to play at the top college level. We are saying our daughters are strong and capable of matching the modern aggressive (and legal) play taught everywhere else there is great lacrosse. We are tired of seeing our girls teams lose games because their coaches believe that they only need speed not strength, not size, not muscle, not physicality. And then our girls lose out because they don’t know how to play top level lacrosse.

DP. Our girls in this area are not losing because they aren't matching physicality, they are losing because some players on some other teams are engaging in illegal play that isn't being called by refs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting to see so many parents who want the game to become more physically aggressive and dangerous. Are you folks aware of the declining popularity of football due to the increasing evidence of serious injury and even mortality? And, BTW, as a former ballet dancer whose daughter plays lacrosse, I'd say that both activities require comparable levels of strength, stamina, speed, agility, kinetic awareness and determination.

Total mischaracterization oif what people are saying on this thread, PP.

Parents are saying girls lacrosse here, in the DC area, is not taught correctly and it’s hurting our daughters who want to compete at the highest level. Lacrosse in DC is taught by old school coaches whose style of play is stuck back in the 1990s. It’s 2018. It’s time for our girls, their teams, to play the modern game that is played elsewhere, in the areas with the most sucessful clubs and girls who go on to play at the top college level. We are saying our daughters are strong and capable of matching the modern aggressive (and legal) play taught everywhere else there is great lacrosse. We are tired of seeing our girls teams lose games because their coaches believe that they only need speed not strength, not size, not muscle, not physicality. And then our girls lose out because they don’t know how to play top level lacrosse.

DP. Our girls in this area are not losing because they aren't matching physicality, they are losing because some players on some other teams are engaging in illegal play that isn't being called by refs.

Differentiation in size is not a bad thing. All the girls don't need to be cornhuskers. It is how the girls use their size to their competitive advantage that is important.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I disagree with both PPs. I think there are plenty of us who advocate assertive and aggressive play but who despise the illegal physicality and stick work that is manifesting with certain teams under the guidance of certain coaches. I think the comparison of ballet versus brawl is very apt. Our daughters have been fortunate to be on winning teams so we're not "afraid of losses", whatever that idiotic statement means. What we do fear, our daughters and us, is that some girl going on out-of-control aggression is going to hurt or kill someone because of the aggressor's inability and unwillingness to keep it legal.

You cannot have it both ways and still maintain a rational point. You state that physical play is a "trend" in the game yet it only applies to certain teams and coaches? If it is only a very specific pair of teams (M&D and YJ) then simply do not allow your daughter to play when your team plays those teams. Problem would be solved. However, you will find that a more physical style of play continues in the game. While we can all agree that NO ONE is a fan of watching a player hit another player on the head with a deliberate act, that is not what is at debate here. Another post did a great job of defining a more physical style in the current game. The fact that your team wins is great however you seem to be focusing frustration on two clubs that do not loose to DMV teams. Therefore, when I read your posts it appears that your true issue is the fact that your daughters teams do not win when playing these teams and the safety issue is the excuse you use to justify the loosing. I am sure the comment, "it is ok, if they have to play like that to win it is not worth it." is common during the car ride home. Sorry if the truth hurts. Good luck taming your shrew at ballet class.

Definitely not an issue of losing to these teams since we've beaten both M&D Black (yes, only one time) and Red. And more times than not have beaten YJ. And generally these games are competitive. I can't recall a time having issues with M&D, but YJ is an entirely different story. I'd rather not play them anymore. Again, not because they beat us, but because they seem to always bring trouble with them. Be it an overly aggressive player(s) or unruly parents looking to pick fights. The conversations going home are not "whoa is me" pity parties. Unfortunately, if anything it's about the other team having anger issues, which is sad for middle school players to have to comment on.

I have not seen any real difference in the size of the teams. Half of my daughter's team is 5'7" or taller in middle school. To equate size to aggressive play suggests you are advocating what most on this thread have taken issue with, which is physical uncontrolled aggression by physically dominant girls. Aggressive play in girls lacrosse is about attacking the 50/50s, boxing out, winning ground balls, taking charges, etc. Doing these things well has nothing to do with size. I've seen some pretty scrappy small players take it to the bigger girls. Furthermore, to suggest being physical is more important than speed and quickness is off-base IMO. Speed and quickness are absolutely key to being aggressive. Be the first to the 50/50, box out. Be quick to slide and take a charge. All controlled aggression played within the rules. What we don't want is the uncontrolled aggression like swinging wildly displayed by a few clubs. Take this uncontrolled aggression away from clubs who play this way and they are average.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Two questions:

- Why do the DC-area clubs only practice once a week? Seems unsurprising that if the Baltimore clubs practice more, they are better.
- Is Florida Select really that good, and if so, any specific reasons why? Lax is not brand new in FL, but very few now-adults who grew up there played. That said, the state is full of good athletes, growing quickly, and you can practice outside year round.

Florida Select players are drawn from a large geographic area and they take athletes and keep them together as a team. There are fewer clubs so all the best players end up on one team. We played a Florifda Select team and their girls had played together for seven years. We lost the first time by 8 goals the next time we played we lost by 1. They had been together for two months. The idea the DMV lacks the talent, coaching or Physical play is a ridiculous canard being pushed by an upstart know it all coach who thinks she's gods gift to girls lacrosse. She;s just like Trump tell people theirs a problem when the record shows otherwise all with the goal of billing parents more money.

[Anonymous]

Womens Lacrosse is a game most girls will play until high scholl those lucky few that make it to college will play 4 more years. Most will get nothing more than a 1/4 scholarship max and will never experience college they way it was intended because they will practice all the time and have very little free time. Even then your daughter nay never touch the field. So to force your kid to practice incessantly starting in middle school and bulk up so they can beat girls phsically is sort of missing what this girls game has always been about speed and finess. Telling girls to gain weight that they will have to carry the rest of there lives is crazy. In the end the only people making money in all this is the for profit clubs not a single girl will ever retire on her lacrosse earnings.

wake up parents this new club is selling you snake oil they want your money. Why do you think knee injuries are so prevalant in girls lacrosse it because girls are bulking up and their frames can't handle the weight. Have a balanced approach protect your DD health in the end what are you winning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I disagree with both PPs. I think there are plenty of us who advocate assertive and aggressive play but who despise the illegal physicality and stick work that is manifesting with certain teams under the guidance of certain coaches. I think the comparison of ballet versus brawl is very apt. Our daughters have been fortunate to be on winning teams so we're not "afraid of losses", whatever that idiotic statement means. What we do fear, our daughters and us, is that some girl going on out-of-control aggression is going to hurt or kill someone because of the aggressor's inability and unwillingness to keep it legal.

You cannot have it both ways and still maintain a rational point. You state that physical play is a "trend" in the game yet it only applies to certain teams and coaches? If it is only a very specific pair of teams (M&D and YJ) then simply do not allow your daughter to play when your team plays those teams. Problem would be solved. However, you will find that a more physical style of play continues in the game. While we can all agree that NO ONE is a fan of watching a player hit another player on the head with a deliberate act, that is not what is at debate here. Another post did a great job of defining a more physical style in the current game. The fact that your team wins is great however you seem to be focusing frustration on two clubs that do not loose to DMV teams. Therefore, when I read your posts it appears that your true issue is the fact that your daughters teams do not win when playing these teams and the safety issue is the excuse you use to justify the loosing. I am sure the comment, "it is ok, if they have to play like that to win it is not worth it." is common during the car ride home. Sorry if the truth hurts. Good luck taming your shrew at ballet class.

I am talking about coaches yelling from the sidelines for players to commit illegal checks. I do not know why it is impossible for you to understand that. My daughter plays for a Baltimore team that is encouraged by their coaches to use legal checks, so none of your points are remotely relevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting to see so many parents who want the game to become more physically aggressive and dangerous. Are you folks aware of the declining popularity of football due to the increasing evidence of serious injury and even mortality? And, BTW, as a former ballet dancer whose daughter plays lacrosse, I'd say that both activities require comparable levels of strength, stamina, speed, agility, kinetic awareness and determination.

Total mischaracterization oif what people are saying on this thread, PP.

Parents are saying girls lacrosse here, in the DC area, is not taught correctly and it’s hurting our daughters who want to compete at the highest level. Lacrosse in DC is taught by old school coaches whose style of play is stuck back in the 1990s. It’s 2018. It’s time for our girls, their teams, to play the modern game that is played elsewhere, in the areas with the most sucessful clubs and girls who go on to play at the top college level. We are saying our daughters are strong and capable of matching the modern aggressive (and legal) play taught everywhere else there is great lacrosse. We are tired of seeing our girls teams lose games because their coaches believe that they only need speed not strength, not size, not muscle, not physicality. And then our girls lose out because they don’t know how to play top level lacrosse.

What a joke this post is...JMU just won the National Chanpionship with a bunch of girls that played lacrosse in the Nothern Virginia 6A North Divison and many were coached up by Capital lacrosse not sure who posted this nonsense. NC and UVA also have Captal players on their teams all made Final Four. Probably someone from California hwo doesn't get lax in DMV. This area sends more kids to DI programs than most and they girls end up being classy and accomplished long after lacrosse. Do we really want to encourage hard physical play like Yellow Jackets I know I don't want my daughter to turn out like most of the Moms I see from Long Island on the sidelines yelling and screaming. Get some perspective ladies!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Womens Lacrosse is a game most girls will play until high scholl those lucky few that make it to college will play 4 more years. Most will get nothing more than a 1/4 scholarship max and will never experience college they way it was intended because they will practice all the time and have very little free time. Even then your daughter nay never touch the field. So to force your kid to practice incessantly starting in middle school and bulk up so they can beat girls phsically is sort of missing what this girls game has always been about speed and finess. Telling girls to gain weight that they will have to carry the rest of there lives is crazy. In the end the only people making money in all this is the for profit clubs not a single girl will ever retire on her lacrosse earnings.

wake up parents this new club is selling you snake oil they want your money. Why do you think knee injuries are so prevalant in girls lacrosse it because girls are bulking up and their frames can't handle the weight. Have a balanced approach protect your DD health in the end what are you winning.

A voice of reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Womens Lacrosse is a game most girls will play until high scholl those lucky few that make it to college will play 4 more years. Most will get nothing more than a 1/4 scholarship max and will never experience college they way it was intended because they will practice all the time and have very little free time. Even then your daughter nay never touch the field. So to force your kid to practice incessantly starting in middle school and bulk up so they can beat girls phsically is sort of missing what this girls game has always been about speed and finess. Telling girls to gain weight that they will have to carry the rest of there lives is crazy. In the end the only people making money in all this is the for profit clubs not a single girl will ever retire on her lacrosse earnings.

wake up parents this new club is selling you snake oil they want your money. Why do you think knee injuries are so prevalant in girls lacrosse it because girls are bulking up and their frames can't handle the weight. Have a balanced approach protect your DD health in the end what are you winning.

A voice of reason.

More like a voice bereft of proper grammar, spelling, punctuation and evidence. That poster can barely communicate and is making wholly baseless accusations against a coach and a program that were never a part of, or even mentioned in, the discussion about the changing physicality of the women’s game.