College Acceptance/Matriculation Stats: NCS/STA, Holton/Landon

[Anonymous]

Contrary to myth -- private school kids want to see what kind of scholarships are available too. Every economic level is tightening its respective belt now.

[Anonymous]

Just read through this thread after stumbling across it (reasons will be obvious in a moment). Lots of interesting comments. My older son is currently applying to day schools in NYC (he's currently in one that ends at 8th grade) and as a result we ventured into a little project which might be of interest to the readers of this thread. I did some basic analysis of matriculation records of schools to colleges and my son built a website so others could see the results.. We started with the NYC day schools for which I could obtain adequate information (roughly half of the secular schools, though certainly biased toward including those with the better reputations). I then moved on to boarding schools which is still currently a work in progress though I've already done many of the big name schools. I do intend to get to day schools outside NYC (hopefully sooner rather than later), but one only has so many hours in a day.

Before people jump all over me, I am fully aware of the many arguements as to the value or non-value of such statistics. My personal belief is that they do mean something, but not nearly as much as some people want to infer from them. That they are relatively easily quantifiable makes them ripe for overuse and misinterpretation.

Anyway, for those who are interested, the website is: www.matriculationstats.org

P.S. I doubt I'll be checking in here very frequently, so if you have any comments for me, there is a comments section on that site.

[Anonymous]

Very cool website. I'm impressed (and jealous) that you got your hands on so much matriculation data from so many schools.

[Anonymous]

Very nice job -- impressive

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Very cool website. I'm impressed (and jealous) that you got your hands on so much matriculation data from so many schools.

Thanks for the compliment. Other than a very few schools (like them handing me the list when we toured Bronx Science last spring), all of the information was taken from each school's website. I would be fine with using information that was generally available (like made available to parents at a school) as long as it was clear to me that it was genuine. Like the NYC schools, some DC schools seem to make that information readily available and some do not. I was mildly surprised that St. Alban's doesn't make that information available since it appears that they have the type of statistics make them look good.

[SAM2]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very cool website. I'm impressed (and jealous) that you got your hands on so much matriculation data from so many schools.

Thanks for the compliment. Other than a very few schools (like them handing me the list when we toured Bronx Science last spring), all of the information was taken from each school's website. I would be fine with using information that was generally available (like made available to parents at a school) as long as it was clear to me that it was genuine. Like the NYC schools, some DC schools seem to make that information readily available and some do not. I was mildly surprised that St. Alban's doesn't make that information available since it appears that they have the type of statistics make them look good.

I am one of the stat-heads on DCUM. It seems few of the DC schools make this info publicly available, even though they have impressive results. I am awed by what you put together. Great job.

http://www.stalbansschool.org/contentPage.aspx?pageId=42341§ionId=961
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/67710.page

[Anonymous]

SAM2 wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very cool website. I'm impressed (and jealous) that you got your hands on so much matriculation data from so many schools.

Thanks for the compliment. Other than a very few schools (like them handing me the list when we toured Bronx Science last spring), all of the information was taken from each school's website. I would be fine with using information that was generally available (like made available to parents at a school) as long as it was clear to me that it was genuine. Like the NYC schools, some DC schools seem to make that information readily available and some do not. I was mildly surprised that St. Alban's doesn't make that information available since it appears that they have the type of statistics make them look good.

I am one of the stat-heads on DCUM. It seems few of the DC schools make this info publicly available, even though they have impressive results. I am awed by what you put together. Great job.

http://www.stalbansschool.org/contentPage.aspx?pageId=42341§ionId=961
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/67710.page

Well, thanks. (blushing).

After I had posted here earlier today, I did some cursory searching of websites. NCS, Landon and Holton-Arms had adequate information to the type of analysis you've seen. Though NCS's was fairly well-hidden. The information that St. Alban's posts on its website isn't quite sufficient.
The post you link to earlier has information related to some of what I've done (Ivy stats matches, and the top 25 they is similar, but not quite the same thing), but unfortunately, not enough to add those schools based on that information alone.

It would be helpful if someone could post a reasonable list of schools in the DC area. Being from a different city, I'm not as tuned in as I am to the NYC schools.

For starters, Sidwell Friends (hard not to have heard of that school no matter where you live) doesn't post adequate information.
After that, the only school I specifically have heard of is Georgetown Prep.

It may still be weeks away, but I do intend to cover day schools outside of NYC.

[Anonymous]

Wow, saw the post a while back about lawyers having to be at the top-rated college? NOT -- at that level, it is about the graduate (law) school, not the college. In fact, someone from outside the Ivies for undergrad (i.e., summa from a random local state school other than UVA) can be admitted to a top law school (and finish #1 in the class, even though competing against Ivy undergrads). This does happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

SAM2 wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very cool website. I'm impressed (and jealous) that you got your hands on so much matriculation data from so many schools.

Thanks for the compliment. Other than a very few schools (like them handing me the list when we toured Bronx Science last spring), all of the information was taken from each school's website. I would be fine with using information that was generally available (like made available to parents at a school) as long as it was clear to me that it was genuine. Like the NYC schools, some DC schools seem to make that information readily available and some do not. I was mildly surprised that St. Alban's doesn't make that information available since it appears that they have the type of statistics make them look good.

I am one of the stat-heads on DCUM. It seems few of the DC schools make this info publicly available, even though they have impressive results. I am awed by what you put together. Great job.

http://www.stalbansschool.org/contentPage.aspx?pageId=42341§ionId=961
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/67710.page

Well, thanks. (blushing).

After I had posted here earlier today, I did some cursory searching of websites. NCS, Landon and Holton-Arms had adequate information to the type of analysis you've seen. Though NCS's was fairly well-hidden. The information that St. Alban's posts on its website isn't quite sufficient.
The post you link to earlier has information related to some of what I've done (Ivy stats matches, and the top 25 they is similar, but not quite the same thing), but unfortunately, not enough to add those schools based on that information alone.

It would be helpful if someone could post a reasonable list of schools in the DC area. Being from a different city, I'm not as tuned in as I am to the NYC schools.

For starters, Sidwell Friends (hard not to have heard of that school no matter where you live) doesn't post adequate information.
After that, the only school I specifically have heard of is Georgetown Prep.

It may still be weeks away, but I do intend to cover day schools outside of NYC.

NCS had a complete 2009 profile up on their website with SAT I & II scores and AP averages. Also included Ivy & top 25 lists. Two weeks ago, they launched a new website, I see that the profile is no longer on the site. However, I printed a hard copy of the profile. I'll post the stats as soon as I find it in my files.

[Anonymous]

I know people get frustrated that all the schools aren't displaying their college stats on their websites and on some threads seem to imply that they are trying to cover them up. But having been on a round of high school tours this fall it appeared to me that this information is usually included in info packets or is otherwise available from the schools for people who are genuinely interested in the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know people get frustrated that all the schools aren't displaying their college stats on their websites and on some threads seem to imply that they are trying to cover them up. But having been on a round of high school tours this fall it appeared to me that this information is usually included in info packets or is otherwise available from the schools for people who are genuinely interested in the school.

I've found that to be true in NYC also. That's how I got the raw information so that I can calculate the Horace Mann and Bronx Science statistics that are shown on my son's and my website (he's applying to both schools right now for high school). Maybe someone here could help me similarly with Sidwell and St. Alban's statistics. I suspect parents around here might be interested in seeing similar analyses for a number of DC area schools. Sending a scanned copy to my website is the best way to get it to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

NCS had a complete 2009 profile up on their website with SAT I & II scores and AP averages. Also included Ivy & top 25 lists. Two weeks ago, they launched a new website, I see that the profile is no longer on the site. However, I printed a hard copy of the profile. I'll post the stats as soon as I find it in my files.

Somewhat hidden on their current website, NCS has a list of any school to which 4 or more graduates have matriculated from the classes 2005-2009. Combined with the total number of graduates over that period, that's actually good enough information to get a very good estimate of the types of statistics I've shown. I've had to make estimations from similar data for a handful of other schools. (I know it may seem like incomplete information, but trust me, I know what I'm doing with this stuff).

Nevertheless, the information you refer to would still be helpful. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Just thought I'd let this participants know that Episcopal High School in Alexandria (though it is all boarding students) has been added to my site of matriculation statistics, www.matriculationstats.org. I'm also getting closer to adding non-NYC day schools to the site (there are currently pages for boarding schools and NYC days schools for those who have not yet taken a peek). I've been able to find adequate data to perform my analysis for several DC-area day schools, and certainly will add them either when that page goes up or as it grows.

[Anonymous]

http://www.matriculationstats.org

Just trying again to get an actual link.

[Anonymous]

NCS Stats: The following information is taken from the school's website under college counseling - college handbook. p. 82-83.
https://www.ncs.cathedral.org/podium/default.aspx?t=133043

Please note these pages have a lot more details than I am listing below.

2009: 78 students in class of 2009. 2 National Merit Scholars. 7 Finalists. 28 Commended.

College Matriculation List. Four or more graduates from the Classes of 2005-2009 have matriculated at:
Stanford University (18)
University of Pennsylvania (15)
University of Virginia (14)
Princeton University (13)
Wesleyan University (12)
Columbia University (11)
Dartmouth College (11)
Duke University (11)
Yale University (11)
Georgetown University (9)
Brown University (8)
University of Chicago (7)
Colby College (7)
Colgate College (7)
Tufts University (7)
Boston College (6)
Bowdoin College (6)
Dickinson College (6)
Harvard College (6)
NorthWestern University (6)
Trinity College (6)
Vanderbilt University (6)
Amherst College (5)
Carnegie Mellon University (5)
Haverford College (6)
Kenyon College (5)
University of Michigan (5)
NYU (5)
University of North Carolina (5)
Tulane University (5)
University of Vermont (5)
College of William and Mary (5)
University of Edinburgh (4)
Indiana University at Bloomington (4)
University of Maryland (4)
Middlebury College (4)
Oberlin College (4)
University of Oxford (4)
Pomona College (4)
University of South Carolina (4)


At least 104 students matriculated at Ivies (plus Stanford/MIT). Assuming there were 78 students in each of the last five years (which is probably a little high as I heard that 75 was the common number) then the overall average number of students per year who went to an Ivy (plus Stanford/MIT) would be at least 26.67% of the graduates attended these top tier universities.

Note: Although I included MIT as a top school, there were less than 4 students who matriculated there in the past 5 years (list does not include universities where less than 5 graduates attended). Please keep in mind there may have been up to 3 students who attended MIT.

No matter how you look at it. These are VERY strong numbers.