Terrorist attack going on in Paris right now

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I had that feeling too. I went to the Russian embassy to lay flowers and there were much less flowers and sympathy notes than at the Embassy of Netherlands last year. Also, I have not noticed any changes in fb profile pictures after the Russian plane went down. People are people, nobody should die in terroristic acts anywhere.

This is why--for all anyone knew for some time it was another unfortunate air accident. If yesterday's rampage in Paris had taken place in Moscow there would be a far different reaction than for the plane downing.

I agree. It was days later before there was any official indication that it was more than an unfortunate crash. There was no moment like last night where we were all looking on in horror.

There are plenty of legitimate things to gripe about without scraping the barrel to come up with the number of flowers left at a memorial.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All eyes will be on Hillary tonight at the Democratic debate, If she is likely to be the next president,I assume millions of voters want to know exactly what she will do about ISIS - specifically. For myself, she will lose me if she wiggles and waffles.

She led us into the Iraq war. Do you think she will back down from this?

Of the Democratic contenders, she's the only one I can see taking a strong stance at all.

[Anonymous]

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I had that feeling too. I went to the Russian embassy to lay flowers and there were much less flowers and sympathy notes than at the Embassy of Netherlands last year. Also, I have not noticed any changes in fb profile pictures after the Russian plane went down. People are people, nobody should die in terroristic acts anywhere.

This is why--for all anyone knew for some time it was another unfortunate air accident. If yesterday's rampage in Paris had taken place in Moscow there would be a far different reaction than for the plane downing.

I agree. It was days later before there was any official indication that it was more than an unfortunate crash. There was no moment like last night where we were all looking on in horror.

There are plenty of legitimate things to gripe about without scraping the barrel to come up with the number of flowers left at a memorial.

I shared my observation, don't exaggerate my post and make it sound as I minimized the French tragedy. The disparity in reactions is felt by many groups on fb (AA, Israeli, Lebanon), so let's not pretend that it does not exist or justified.

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Anonymous wrote:So, act of war against NATO ally.

Boots on the ground time?

Yes. World War III.

Are you guys heading down to the recruiting station today?

Not the PP but my husband has been fighting these sorts of guys for a decade through countless hairraising deployments. Only regret is not prosecuting this effort in a fight it to win it fashion. We simply have to decide what we are doing here, and then do it. Fight or withdraw. Half gestures are a waste of everyone's time and dedication.

Oh, and you're welcome.

Was he part of the original invasions that created this mess in the first place? In that case, thanks but No thanks. I would have preferred to pay a little more at the pump than radicalize a huge terrorist movement for the sake of oil.

You must be young and ignorant. They've been radicalized for centuries.

That wasn't the point. We would have been better off letting Saddam count his money than having a faction in his place that is actively trying to hurt us. We created this problem...or Bush did? Interpret it however you want, but terrorists were not in Iraq before the war. We set them up really nicely, hell we even gave them weapons and vehicles.

It is you who is missing the point. They are coming for everybody else, no matter what anyone does or does not do. Before Saddam, terrorism. After Saddam, terrorism. There is no choice, no action, on the part of anybody else in the world, that will lead to any other behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I had that feeling too. I went to the Russian embassy to lay flowers and there were much less flowers and sympathy notes than at the Embassy of Netherlands last year. Also, I have not noticed any changes in fb profile pictures after the Russian plane went down. People are people, nobody should die in terroristic acts anywhere.

This is why--for all anyone knew for some time it was another unfortunate air accident. If yesterday's rampage in Paris had taken place in Moscow there would be a far different reaction than for the plane downing.

I agree. It was days later before there was any official indication that it was more than an unfortunate crash. There was no moment like last night where we were all looking on in horror.

There are plenty of legitimate things to gripe about without scraping the barrel to come up with the number of flowers left at a memorial.

I shared my observation, don't exaggerate my post and make it sound as I minimized the French tragedy. The disparity in reactions is felt by many groups on fb (AA, Israeli, Lebanon), so let's not pretend that it does not exist or justified.

Okay, you've shared your observation and that of all of your FB friends. PPs have mentioned several real differences, that it was a long time between the loan going down and attributing it to ISIS, France is a much closer ally than Russia, and people getting killed at a restaurant, sports event or band concert is different from a plane going down.

We're human, it's true, identifying more closely with some people than others, and reacting more emotionally to some events and than others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I had that feeling too. I went to the Russian embassy to lay flowers and there were much less flowers and sympathy notes than at the Embassy of Netherlands last year. Also, I have not noticed any changes in fb profile pictures after the Russian plane went down. People are people, nobody should die in terroristic acts anywhere.

This is why--for all anyone knew for some time it was another unfortunate air accident. If yesterday's rampage in Paris had taken place in Moscow there would be a far different reaction than for the plane downing.

I agree. It was days later before there was any official indication that it was more than an unfortunate crash. There was no moment like last night where we were all looking on in horror.

There are plenty of legitimate things to gripe about without scraping the barrel to come up with the number of flowers left at a memorial.

I shared my observation, don't exaggerate my post and make it sound as I minimized the French tragedy. The disparity in reactions is felt by many groups on fb (AA, Israeli, Lebanon), so let's not pretend that it does not exist or justified.

Okay, you've shared your observation and that of all of your FB friends. PPs have mentioned several real differences, that it was a long time between the loan going down and attributing it to ISIS, France is a much closer ally than Russia, and people getting killed at a restaurant, sports event or band concert is different from a plane going down.

We're human, it's true, identifying more closely with some people than others, and reacting more emotionally to some events and than others.

Okay, where did I questioned PPs explanations on selective sympathy? I actually found them insightful. You, on the other hand, did not contribute anything new except for the aggressive demeaning tone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel really badly about Paris, like everyone else. But I can't get out the disparity in reaction between this and the Russian plane bomb, for which ISIS takes credit as well. That killed more people, including children. Why didn't the whole world light up for Russia two weeks ago?

Sadly, I think it's because we are all a little jaded about airplanes being hijacked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel really badly about Paris, like everyone else. But I can't get out the disparity in reaction between this and the Russian plane bomb, for which ISIS takes credit as well. That killed more people, including children. Why didn't the whole world light up for Russia two weeks ago?

I for one didn't "light up" for Russia because they were responsible for that other civilian plane that was shot down a little over a year ago.

[Anonymous]

There were also a number of attacks in Beirut this week, they were barely even a blip in the media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There were also a number of attacks in Beirut this week, they were barely even a blip in the media.

Not exactly a blip. The deadliest bombings since the 90s. As someone upthread noted, we've become jaded about plane hijackings and plane bombings. Similarly, we've become jaded about suicide bombers. They are horrible tragedies, and we feel for the victims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There were also a number of attacks in Beirut this week, they were barely even a blip in the media.

It all depends on what you read and watch.

If you look at other news sources, you can find other viewpoints. Sadly, the US worships Steven Colbert and can't understand that he and his counterparts are entertainers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There were also a number of attacks in Beirut this week, they were barely even a blip in the media.

Maybe because such attacks are an almost every day occurrence in the Middle East??

I feel for all victims of terrorism but personally speaking I was born in Europe, grew up reading Sartre, Camus, Anais Nin, etc, so Paris hits closer to home than the Middle East. And I will not be made to feel ashamed for feeling more shocked and dismayed at an attack on a city central to western art and civilization.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There were also a number of attacks in Beirut this week, they were barely even a blip in the media.

Maybe because such attacks are an almost every day occurrence in the Middle East??

I feel for all victims of terrorism but personally speaking I was born in Europe, grew up reading Sartre, Camus, Anais Nin, etc, so Paris hits closer to home than the Middle East. And I will not be made to feel ashamed for feeling more shocked and dismayed at an attack on a city central to western art and civilization.

People being killed by terrorists in Paris bothers you more than people being killed by terrorists in Beirut.

I would be ashamed of this, if it were me. But if you don't want to be ashamed of it, then don't be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, act of war against NATO ally.

Boots on the ground time?

Yes. World War III.

Are you guys heading down to the recruiting station today?

Not the PP but my husband has been fighting these sorts of guys for a decade through countless hairraising deployments. Only regret is not prosecuting this effort in a fight it to win it fashion. We simply have to decide what we are doing here, and then do it. Fight or withdraw. Half gestures are a waste of everyone's time and dedication.

Oh, and you're welcome.

Was he part of the original invasions that created this mess in the first place? In that case, thanks but No thanks. I would have preferred to pay a little more at the pump than radicalize a huge terrorist movement for the sake of oil.

You must be young and ignorant. They've been radicalized for centuries.

That wasn't the point. We would have been better off letting Saddam count his money than having a faction in his place that is actively trying to hurt us. We created this problem...or Bush did? Interpret it however you want, but terrorists were not in Iraq before the war. We set them up really nicely, hell we even gave them weapons and vehicles.

It is you who is missing the point. They are coming for everybody else, no matter what anyone does or does not do. Before Saddam, terrorism. After Saddam, terrorism. There is no choice, no action, on the part of anybody else in the world, that will lead to any other behavior.

If you think we did not provide a key role in the formation/strengthening of ISIS, theres nothing else we can discuss until you read up on it. I never said there were no terrorists, but what you are seeing in Iraq was nonexistent and we gave them that platform. Arguing about it is meaningless though, we did what we did and now we are dealing with the fallout. Hindsight is 20/20

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There were also a number of attacks in Beirut this week, they were barely even a blip in the media.

Maybe because such attacks are an almost every day occurrence in the Middle East??

I feel for all victims of terrorism but personally speaking I was born in Europe, grew up reading Sartre, Camus, Anais Nin, etc, so Paris hits closer to home than the Middle East. And I will not be made to feel ashamed for feeling more shocked and dismayed at an attack on a city central to western art and civilization.

People being killed by terrorists in Paris bothers you more than people being killed by terrorists in Beirut.

I would be ashamed of this, if it were me. But if you don't want to be ashamed of it, then don't be.

Hits closer to home. She said it hits closer to home.

Learn to read, asshat.