Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

One troll who sock puppets himself/herself. Sorry dearie, it's obvious. Willing to bet you're also on the Off Topic forum on that thread where a dozen posters are talking about how they get smashed on Friday nights. A sober adult wouldn't behave like you do!

What the heck are you talking about?

Agreed,,, you sound troubled.

Troll so hard.... This thread has taken a turn for the worse, if possible.

[Anonymous]

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There is such anger about gifted kids. Some people just continue to insist they don't exist and get very angry that they do.

I think you're confusing people's reactions. It's not anger that gifted children exist. It's annoyance at the preponderance of people this area who insist their children are "gifted" when they may just be good, bright children, and fight tooth and nail to exploit loopholes in the education system to get them extra "services" that are not really intended to benefit them.

This, a thousand times. This is the basic point point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[
There is such anger about gifted kids. Some people just continue to insist they don't exist and get very angry that they do.

I think you're confusing people's reactions. It's not anger that gifted children exist. It's annoyance at the preponderance of people this area who insist their children are "gifted" when they may just be good, bright children, and fight tooth and nail to exploit loopholes in the education system to get them extra "services" that are not really intended to benefit them.

This, a thousand times. This is the basic point point.

Confusing? Seems pretty clear to me. No amount of evidence, tests, programs, accomplishments or anything else will convinve the poster that some children are gifted. Why the rage? Everyone cheats? It is really OK if your kids did not make GT/magnet/college or whatever and someone else did.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[
There is such anger about gifted kids. Some people just continue to insist they don't exist and get very angry that they do.

I think you're confusing people's reactions. It's not anger that gifted children exist. It's annoyance at the preponderance of people this area who insist their children are "gifted" when they may just be good, bright children, and fight tooth and nail to exploit loopholes in the education system to get them extra "services" that are not really intended to benefit them.

This, a thousand times. This is the basic point point.

Again, what is it that people think is being given out as part of a G&T program, free ponies, rainbows and ice cream? Sure seems as though some posters here are acting that way, from the ridiculous and misguided "jealous/unfair" types of comments being posted here. And also, the whole idea is to provide challenge and academics beyond what a normal curriculum would offer - and kids are expected to do the work to meet that added challenge and rigor. A kid of normal IQ would likely be lost or struggle to keep up in a good G&T program, it really would not be a good choice for him. It's not as though G&T is just some kind of a badge you get to wear around, brag about and that's all there is to it, there are expectations to be met, and frankly many kids are not up to meeting those expectations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[
There is such anger about gifted kids. Some people just continue to insist they don't exist and get very angry that they do.

I think you're confusing people's reactions. It's not anger that gifted children exist. It's annoyance at the preponderance of people this area who insist their children are "gifted" when they may just be good, bright children, and fight tooth and nail to exploit loopholes in the education system to get them extra "services" that are not really intended to benefit them.

This, a thousand times. This is the basic point point.

Confusing? Seems pretty clear to me. No amount of evidence, tests, programs, accomplishments or anything else will convinve the poster that some children are gifted. Why the rage? Everyone cheats? It is really OK if your kids did not make GT/magnet/college or whatever and someone else did.

Stop talking to the voices in your head. Nobody said GT kids don't exist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[
There is such anger about gifted kids. Some people just continue to insist they don't exist and get very angry that they do.

I think you're confusing people's reactions. It's not anger that gifted children exist. It's annoyance at the preponderance of people this area who insist their children are "gifted" when they may just be good, bright children, and fight tooth and nail to exploit loopholes in the education system to get them extra "services" that are not really intended to benefit them.

This, a thousand times. This is the basic point point.

Again, what is it that people think is being given out as part of a G&T program, free ponies, rainbows and ice cream? Sure seems as though some posters here are acting that way, from the ridiculous and misguided "jealous/unfair" types of comments being posted here. And also, the whole idea is to provide challenge and academics beyond what a normal curriculum would offer - and kids are expected to do the work to meet that added challenge and rigor. A kid of normal IQ would likely be lost or struggle to keep up in a good G&T program, it really would not be a good choice for him. It's not as though G&T is just some kind of a badge you get to wear around, brag about and that's all there is to it, there are expectations to be met, and frankly many kids are not up to meeting those expectations.

[Anonymous]

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Again, what is it that people think is being given out as part of a G&T program, free ponies, rainbows and ice cream? Sure seems as though some posters here are acting that way, from the ridiculous and misguided "jealous/unfair" types of comments being posted here. And also, the whole idea is to provide challenge and academics beyond what a normal curriculum would offer - and kids are expected to do the work to meet that added challenge and rigor. A kid of normal IQ would likely be lost or struggle to keep up in a good G&T program, it really would not be a good choice for him. It's not as though G&T is just some kind of a badge you get to wear around, brag about and that's all there is to it, there are expectations to be met, and frankly many kids are not up to meeting those expectations.

I'm not the poster you're talking to, but she was making a different point. She was saying that lots of parents *want to think* their kids are gifted, when in fact their kids are bright and hard-working. Why they want to think this seems to vary from the bad (parental insecurity or a need to live through one's kids) to the reasonable (trying to flee a bad local school or a strategic effort to position DC for the best colleges). I agree that on the most pathetic end of this spectrum, the really insecure parents accuse everyone else of being "jealous" or incapable of understanding because our kids are supposedly of average intelligence. Heck, I've seen parents of gifted kids accuse other parents of gifted kids of having "less" gifted kids, and really, the eyes roll at that point. Whatever the parental reason, I agree with you that gifted magnet programs are not a good choice for many kids. But to sum up, PP was saying that a certain segment of the parent population is deluded, not that gifted kids don't exist."

Re the free ponies and rainbows. Most of us agree -- I definitely agree -- that gifted kids need extra challenge to reach their potential.

But surprisingly, that's not the point OP and others are making here. Very surprisingly. Instead, OP and others are going for "boredom in any degree is a travesty for my gifted snowflake" as early as kindergarten. With the corollaries that gifted kids are (a) so special that they need to be shielded from all boredom (b) any bad behavior is because of giftedness combined with boredom, not because the kid is, you know, badly behaved. I could go through the thread and pick out quotes, but I don't have the energy. The pushback you're seeing here is a reaction to that framing of the issue, particularly the "bad behavior is part of the gifted package" argument that drives several of us nuts.

[b]Nobody is saying that gifted kids don't need challenge. In fact, several of us have repeatedly urged parents to talked to the teacher and have voiced our support for gifted programs. It's like talking to a wall, because posters like you and the weirdo above keep blowing by these suggestions and coming back to accuse us of "hating gifted kids" or "denying" gifted kids exist or justifiying DC's appalling, inconsiderate behavior on the grounds of boredom.

[Anonymous]

I find this thread so ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP and others are going for "boredom in any degree is a travesty for my gifted snowflake" as early as kindergarten. With the corollaries that gifted kids are (a) so special that they need to be shielded from all boredom (b) any bad behavior is because of giftedness combined with boredom, not because the kid is, you know, badly behaved. I could go through the thread and pick out quotes, but I don't have the energy. The pushback you're seeing here is a reaction to that framing of the issue, particularly the "bad behavior is part of the gifted package" argument that drives several of us nuts.

You're not going back through the thread to find the quotes because they don't exist, because no one has said anything close to "boredom in any degree is a travesty" or any of the BS notions you list above. Two early posters said:

Anonymous wrote:He wants to know why he can't just do his own thing. He is not a trouble maker (or not more of one than any other normal 6 year old) but he does get restless. Part of it is spring fever, as the boredom has increased in the last few months. But I don't find it ridiculous. I do find it ridiculous that the school can't manage to challenge and engage my 6 year old. I hope to see more differentiation of instruction in the coming years of school.

Anonymous wrote:My son was bored in school and was not allowed to read his own books or do anything other than the mind-numbing worksheets, so he acted out. He was moved up a grade mid-year, the material is now slightly more interesting, the new teacher allows him to bring his own books and now he does not act out in class.

and now we have 20+ pages of vitriol. I think they were just giving pretty reasonable examples of kids being bored in response to sh*t-stirring thread subject. I don't see anyone claiming the things you say across these 20 pages. I've never heard people say those kinds of things in real life, either. I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with this ridiculous hyperbole, but you're never going to convince me of anything (besides your own nuttiness) when you keep harping on these ridiculous straw man arguments.

[Anonymous]

The thing that has been repeated here again and again is the notion that parents of G&T kids are just elitist snobs who think their little Johnny is something special when in fact he's just normal. Add to that the feigned shock and outrage that more than one poster here has talked about having a G&T child. According to DCUM they have had as many as 3,000 posters all online simultaneously - and by any normal statistical distribution, 3-5% of the kids those posters represent could be G&T - doing the math, that means there could easily be a couple dozen posters with genuine G&T posters online even simultaneously. Again, for those weak on percentages, that simply means 3 to 5 kids out of every hundred students has a high enough IQ to qualify as G&T, and the way to separate the obnoxious "my little Johnny's SOOO special" folks from the genuinely gifted is already an established process, being via IQ test, it's not something to be gamed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP and others are going for "boredom in any degree is a travesty for my gifted snowflake" as early as kindergarten. With the corollaries that gifted kids are (a) so special that they need to be shielded from all boredom (b) any bad behavior is because of giftedness combined with boredom, not because the kid is, you know, badly behaved. I could go through the thread and pick out quotes, but I don't have the energy. The pushback you're seeing here is a reaction to that framing of the issue, particularly the "bad behavior is part of the gifted package" argument that drives several of us nuts.

You're not going back through the thread to find the quotes because they don't exist, because no one has said anything close to "boredom in any degree is a travesty" or any of the BS notions you list above. ....

Umm, yes, they do exist. How about this post and response at 5/29 16:21:

Anonymous wrote: "I just don't think really bright kids get bored. (I do think kids/parents use the term as an excuse when there are behavioral issues.) Agreed. I have one friend who says her son is bored, so he acts out. There are lots of smart kids in class that DON'T act out."

You people are such horses asses. You can't understand that gifted kids may have difference personalities - that some may be content to read quietly while others want to think out loud, discuss, and engage with others? And that some kids - now this is a shocker - are kinesthetic learns?

And this, at 16:22:

Anonymous wrote:Kids are not little adults. Their brains don't function like our brains. They can't be expected to pattern adult behaviors all the time.
Brainless is what you are.

Props for ignoring everything PP said, though. And for twisting this into a straw man accusation of your own. Geez, you can't meet any topic head-on to save your life, can you? You have to twist, distort and mischaracterize everything, don't you? To return to the post you were (supposedly) responding to, I (and I'm sure others here) still reject your notion that gifted kids shouldn't have to learn to deal with a little boredom. And for the love of God, don't come back and accuse me of saying that gifted kids don't exist, or I hate them, or I've never met one, or magnets should be abolished - all these unrelated straw men seem to be your stock responses.

[Anonymous]

Can someone put an end to this thread. Morons.

[Anonymous]

Really PP "for the love of God" stop posting. More and more and more paragraphs of your crazy logic does not change your spiteful attitude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The thing that has been repeated here again and again is the notion that parents of G&T kids are just elitist snobs who think their little Johnny is something special when in fact he's just normal. Add to that the feigned shock and outrage that more than one poster here has talked about having a G&T child. According to DCUM they have had as many as 3,000 posters all online simultaneously - and by any normal statistical distribution, 3-5% of the kids those posters represent could be G&T - doing the math, that means there could easily be a couple dozen posters with genuine G&T posters online even simultaneously. Again, for those weak on percentages, that simply means 3 to 5 kids out of every hundred students has a high enough IQ to qualify as G&T, and the way to separate the obnoxious "my little Johnny's SOOO special" folks from the genuinely gifted is already an established process, being via IQ test, it's not something to be gamed.

STOP IT!!!!! NOBODY HAS SAID GIFTED KIDS DON'T EXIST!!!!! MANY POSTERS HAVE SAID THAT *SOME* PARENTS ARE DELUDED ABOUT THEIR KIDS' GIFTS, THOUGH.

How hard is this to understand? It's not hard. READ THIS OVER TEN TIMES IF YOU HAVE TO. There is a crucial distinction here, and it's important for you to grasp it for this conversation to have any hope of progressing.

Sorry to shout, but you're either an idiot, or you're intentionally pretending not to understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Really PP "for the love of God" stop posting. More and more and more paragraphs of your crazy logic does not change your spiteful attitude.

And now you're doing ad hominem attacks. Yup, you're a real peach!