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[Anonymous]

Is anyone else finding it odd that only 26 students from Longfellow received offers this year? Longfellow was averaging around 40 to 50 offers in past years, and it just dipped suddenly this year. I also heard that there are many waitlists from Longfellow, around over 40. Anyone sure that it is only 200 students in the entire waitlist?

[Anonymous]

Statistically is it easier to get into TJ from non FCPS public school because there are less applicants due to distance/commute time ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Statistically is it easier to get into TJ from non FCPS public school because there are less applicants due to distance/commute time ?

There are some schools for which this is definitely the case. Pretty much anything in Prince William or western Loudoun, for example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The time of the year when many random anecdotes peaks in here, don’t know whether its true or not … the genius who is so closeee to cure cancer didn’t get in, the dumb who didn’t wrote any answer get in….
“I heard it from my kid’s friends of friends of friends …. I mean… they are 8 grader, they are commonly exaggerating, jokes, lie to each other…

It is just not enough seat for everybody.

Hope people moving on soon.
Your kids will thrive wherever school they go.

If TJ provided more data and scores to the kids, the speculation would die down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:God forbid a parent want to provide religious education for their child. A person that can afford private school probably pays 1K a month in rent to the government for the home they own, as a Citizen and Tax Payer, they have access to what they are paying for when it comes time for TJ. The school is meritocracy if your child wasn’t admitted that means they are not at that level, but excluding a child because the parent wants to ground them in their faith is disgusting, and maybe take a cue that grounding your child in faith and traditional education has benefits versus educating children on whatever leftist cause de jour is in FCPS at the moment.

There are plenty of people who provide religious education at home and don't attend religious schools. You made a choice that fits your families needs and values, one of the possible outcomes is that your child is less likely to gain admittance at schools like TJ. The impression I get from the private school forum is that most of the private schools do not provide the same depth of education in math and science. The kids who end up at TJ from privates tend to be kids out of schools like Basis and Nysmith that are more focused on math and science. The religious schools are very much seen as not doing a good job with math and science.

Plenty of kids are not selected who are a good fit at TJ because there are not enough seats for all the kids who are interested. There are 4.0 GPA students who are in Algebra 2 who were not accepted at TJ. No one would say that htose kids were not at "that level." FCPS knows what math is being taught in intensive math in APS and in Loudon County and in FCPS. They know what the kids had to do to get an A in Algebra 1, the minimum requirement, and what it means to get an A in Geometry or Algebra 2. They have far less of an idea about what math looks like at your kids religious school.

Do they even have math in religious school. I mean 3=1 and the use of the transitive property is insane.

This same person would not have their child turn down a free ride to Georgetown but would be shocked by the jesuits on campus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else finding it odd that only 26 students from Longfellow received offers this year? Longfellow was averaging around 40 to 50 offers in past years, and it just dipped suddenly this year. I also heard that there are many waitlists from Longfellow, around over 40. Anyone sure that it is only 200 students in the entire waitlist?

200 was a number from last year. Not sure what’s happening this time. Hearing about a LOT of waitlisted kids at our MS. It normally sends less than 10 kids so this is surprising. My DS knows more than 10 waitlisted just in his AAP class. And also anecdotal but the class genius didn’t make it. Straight reject.

[Anonymous]

Maybe the admissions office should change the requirements to have a test required for entrance again. No minimum score do they can still offer bonus experience points to students to get the desired diversity, but for the rest of the kids it would be a fair process for them to enroll students who are actually the top of the school. I don’t see how they can fairly determine which students have the most aptitude for stem from schools like Longfellow, Cooper, and Rachel Carson.

How is it possible that students with all As and in Algebra II or Precalc not getting jn, but students with one grading period of Algebra I are getting in from those schools?

Students entering TJ with only Algebra I won’t be able to take any of the advanced math classes past Calculus and can’t take any of the advanced Physics classes until senior year. They can get the same classes at their base school. Students in Algebra II in 8th grade will run out of math options at base schools.

In my son’s Precalc BC class this year at TJ (as a 9th grader), there were 4 juniors in his class, they all dropped down to Precalc AB after the 1st semester because BC was too hard for them. None of the 9th/10th graders had to drop down.

I’m not against having a pathway for students who enter with Algebra I from middle schools that don’t have advanced math classes at their school, but for other middle schools when kids are taking the most advanced classes and proving that they have the math skills, they shouldn’t be rejected for kids with lower grades/the lowest math levels. The process really isn’t fair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the admissions office should change the requirements to have a test required for entrance again. No minimum score do they can still offer bonus experience points to students to get the desired diversity, but for the rest of the kids it would be a fair process for them to enroll students who are actually the top of the school. I don’t see how they can fairly determine which students have the most aptitude for stem from schools like Longfellow, Cooper, and Rachel Carson.

How is it possible that students with all As and in Algebra II or Precalc not getting jn, but students with one grading period of Algebra I are getting in from those schools?

Students entering TJ with only Algebra I won’t be able to take any of the advanced math classes past Calculus and can’t take any of the advanced Physics classes until senior year. They can get the same classes at their base school. Students in Algebra II in 8th grade will run out of math options at base schools.

In my son’s Precalc BC class this year at TJ (as a 9th grader), there were 4 juniors in his class, they all dropped down to Precalc AB after the 1st semester because BC was too hard for them. None of the 9th/10th graders had to drop down.

I’m not against having a pathway for students who enter with Algebra I from middle schools that don’t have advanced math classes at their school, but for other middle schools when kids are taking the most advanced classes and proving that they have the math skills, they shouldn’t be rejected for kids with lower grades/the lowest math levels. The process really isn’t fair.

Yes, I agree with this. The so called holistic admissions process is really just testing the student’s writing skills more than anything. The pse is also just basic algebra that doesn’t allow the students to demonstrate their capabilities. Many students with perfect grades and in the highest math class are getting waitlisted or rejected. I think the admissions process should consider the gpa more and also require a preview of the student’s standard test grades and achievements. This would help the process become more fair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the admissions office should change the requirements to have a test required for entrance again. No minimum score do they can still offer bonus experience points to students to get the desired diversity, but for the rest of the kids it would be a fair process for them to enroll students who are actually the top of the school. I don’t see how they can fairly determine which students have the most aptitude for stem from schools like Longfellow, Cooper, and Rachel Carson.

How is it possible that students with all As and in Algebra II or Precalc not getting jn, but students with one grading period of Algebra I are getting in from those schools?

Students entering TJ with only Algebra I won’t be able to take any of the advanced math classes past Calculus and can’t take any of the advanced Physics classes until senior year. They can get the same classes at their base school. Students in Algebra II in 8th grade will run out of math options at base schools.

In my son’s Precalc BC class this year at TJ (as a 9th grader), there were 4 juniors in his class, they all dropped down to Precalc AB after the 1st semester because BC was too hard for them. None of the 9th/10th graders had to drop down.

I’m not against having a pathway for students who enter with Algebra I from middle schools that don’t have advanced math classes at their school, but for other middle schools when kids are taking the most advanced classes and proving that they have the math skills, they shouldn’t be rejected for kids with lower grades/the lowest math levels. The process really isn’t fair.

Yes, I agree with this. The so called holistic admissions process is really just testing the student’s writing skills more than anything. The pse is also just basic algebra that doesn’t allow the students to demonstrate their capabilities. Many students with perfect grades and in the highest math class are getting waitlisted or rejected. I think the admissions process should consider the gpa more and also require a preview of the student’s standard test grades and achievements. This would help the process become more fair.

It’s good to have excellent writers at TJ though, kids can be math superstars but lacking in writing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the admissions office should change the requirements to have a test required for entrance again. No minimum score do they can still offer bonus experience points to students to get the desired diversity, but for the rest of the kids it would be a fair process for them to enroll students who are actually the top of the school. I don’t see how they can fairly determine which students have the most aptitude for stem from schools like Longfellow, Cooper, and Rachel Carson.

How is it possible that students with all As and in Algebra II or Precalc not getting jn, but students with one grading period of Algebra I are getting in from those schools?

Students entering TJ with only Algebra I won’t be able to take any of the advanced math classes past Calculus and can’t take any of the advanced Physics classes until senior year. They can get the same classes at their base school. Students in Algebra II in 8th grade will run out of math options at base schools.

In my son’s Precalc BC class this year at TJ (as a 9th grader), there were 4 juniors in his class, they all dropped down to Precalc AB after the 1st semester because BC was too hard for them. None of the 9th/10th graders had to drop down.

I’m not against having a pathway for students who enter with Algebra I from middle schools that don’t have advanced math classes at their school, but for other middle schools when kids are taking the most advanced classes and proving that they have the math skills, they shouldn’t be rejected for kids with lower grades/the lowest math levels. The process really isn’t fair.

Yes, I agree with this. The so called holistic admissions process is really just testing the student’s writing skills more than anything. The pse is also just basic algebra that doesn’t allow the students to demonstrate their capabilities. Many students with perfect grades and in the highest math class are getting waitlisted or rejected. I think the admissions process should consider the gpa more and also require a preview of the student’s standard test grades and achievements. This would help the process become more fair.

It’s good to have excellent writers at TJ though, kids can be math superstars but lacking in writing.

They don’t have to get rid of the essays, just add an objective way to determine abilities related to math/science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else finding it odd that only 26 students from Longfellow received offers this year? Longfellow was averaging around 40 to 50 offers in past years, and it just dipped suddenly this year. I also heard that there are many waitlists from Longfellow, around over 40. Anyone sure that it is only 200 students in the entire waitlist?

Very odd. All that clamoring to get into AAP and Haycock and only 26 students got in from Longfellow. Very long faces now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the admissions office should change the requirements to have a test required for entrance again. No minimum score do they can still offer bonus experience points to students to get the desired diversity, but for the rest of the kids it would be a fair process for them to enroll students who are actually the top of the school. I don’t see how they can fairly determine which students have the most aptitude for stem from schools like Longfellow, Cooper, and Rachel Carson.

How is it possible that students with all As and in Algebra II or Precalc not getting jn, but students with one grading period of Algebra I are getting in from those schools?

Students entering TJ with only Algebra I won’t be able to take any of the advanced math classes past Calculus and can’t take any of the advanced Physics classes until senior year. They can get the same classes at their base school. Students in Algebra II in 8th grade will run out of math options at base schools.

In my son’s Precalc BC class this year at TJ (as a 9th grader), there were 4 juniors in his class, they all dropped down to Precalc AB after the 1st semester because BC was too hard for them. None of the 9th/10th graders had to drop down.

I’m not against having a pathway for students who enter with Algebra I from middle schools that don’t have advanced math classes at their school, but for other middle schools when kids are taking the most advanced classes and proving that they have the math skills, they shouldn’t be rejected for kids with lower grades/the lowest math levels. The process really isn’t fair.

Yes, I agree with this. The so called holistic admissions process is really just testing the student’s writing skills more than anything. The pse is also just basic algebra that doesn’t allow the students to demonstrate their capabilities. Many students with perfect grades and in the highest math class are getting waitlisted or rejected. I think the admissions process should consider the gpa more and also require a preview of the student’s standard test grades and achievements. This would help the process become more fair.

It’s good to have excellent writers at TJ though, kids can be math superstars but lacking in writing.

They don’t have to get rid of the essays, just add an objective way to determine abilities related to math/science.

Teachers recc’s. This would easily tease out the top layer of kids at each school.

[Anonymous]

The tests and recs would end up looking similar. Asking teachers at some of the MS to write recs or do evaluations would mean no time for grading. How many kids apply from Carson, Longfellow, Cooper, Rocky Run, Kathrine Johnson and some of the others?

Mathcounts scores for winners, top 12, and the top 20 are separated by one or two answers.

If you are upset by this process, you are likely to be devastated by the College process in 4 years. When you have the number of applicants that apply to TJ, or the colleges I know you are targeting, the results are not going to be easily understood. Like it or not, there were 2,762 kids that met the criteria that the County set and the vast majority of those kids are 4.0 students in Geometry or A2H. They can’t all make it in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the admissions office should change the requirements to have a test required for entrance again. No minimum score do they can still offer bonus experience points to students to get the desired diversity, but for the rest of the kids it would be a fair process for them to enroll students who are actually the top of the school. I don’t see how they can fairly determine which students have the most aptitude for stem from schools like Longfellow, Cooper, and Rachel Carson.

How is it possible that students with all As and in Algebra II or Precalc not getting jn, but students with one grading period of Algebra I are getting in from those schools?

Students entering TJ with only Algebra I won’t be able to take any of the advanced math classes past Calculus and can’t take any of the advanced Physics classes until senior year. They can get the same classes at their base school. Students in Algebra II in 8th grade will run out of math options at base schools.

In my son’s Precalc BC class this year at TJ (as a 9th grader), there were 4 juniors in his class, they all dropped down to Precalc AB after the 1st semester because BC was too hard for them. None of the 9th/10th graders had to drop down.

I’m not against having a pathway for students who enter with Algebra I from middle schools that don’t have advanced math classes at their school, but for other middle schools when kids are taking the most advanced classes and proving that they have the math skills, they shouldn’t be rejected for kids with lower grades/the lowest math levels. The process really isn’t fair.

Yes, I agree with this. The so called holistic admissions process is really just testing the student’s writing skills more than anything. The pse is also just basic algebra that doesn’t allow the students to demonstrate their capabilities. Many students with perfect grades and in the highest math class are getting waitlisted or rejected. I think the admissions process should consider the gpa more and also require a preview of the student’s standard test grades and achievements. This would help the process become more fair.

It’s good to have excellent writers at TJ though, kids can be math superstars but lacking in writing.

They don’t have to get rid of the essays, just add an objective way to determine abilities related to math/science.

+1

they don't even have to get rid of the quotas and the experience factors.

Just add testing so they get the most qualified kids from those middle schools and the most qualified kids with experience factors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The tests and recs would end up looking similar. Asking teachers at some of the MS to write recs or do evaluations would mean no time for grading. How many kids apply from Carson, Longfellow, Cooper, Rocky Run, Kathrine Johnson and some of the others?

Mathcounts scores for winners, top 12, and the top 20 are separated by one or two answers.

If you are upset by this process, you are likely to be devastated by the College process in 4 years. When you have the number of applicants that apply to TJ, or the colleges I know you are targeting, the results are not going to be easily understood. Like it or not, there were 2,762 kids that met the criteria that the County set and the vast majority of those kids are 4.0 students in Geometry or A2H. They can’t all make it in.

Are you saying that testing would not result in a materially different entering class? Because that sounds pretty unlikely to me.