Realignment for SEC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In this thread: one disgruntled, free rider trash talking the union over and over again.

I hope you never personally need the "help" of the NTEU because they may very likely let you down in your moment of need, after you've paid in thousands of dollars over the years. Sure, it advocates for employees as a group. But counting on it to save you if you ever have a personal hour of need is a mistake. Individual employees are part of its give and take with management - win some, lose some [careers].

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In this thread: one disgruntled, free rider trash talking the union over and over again.

I hope you never personally need the "help" of the NTEU because they may very likely let you down in your moment of need, after you've paid in thousands of dollars over the years. Sure, it advocates for employees as a group. But counting on it to save you if you ever have a personal hour of need is a mistake. Individual employees are part of its give and take with management - win some, lose some [careers].

What did you do?

[Anonymous]

Reddit is reporting that HHS is appealing the arbitration decision. My guess is we will end up in the same boat. Expected but disappointing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In this thread: one disgruntled, free rider trash talking the union over and over again.

I hope you never personally need the "help" of the NTEU because they may very likely let you down in your moment of need, after you've paid in thousands of dollars over the years. Sure, it advocates for employees as a group. But counting on it to save you if you ever have a personal hour of need is a mistake. Individual employees are part of its give and take with management - win some, lose some [careers].

lol. I unlike you actually understand what unions primarily do which is *collective* bargaining not individual representation. I do take comfort in knowing that I have the right to bring a union rep to a grievance matter but I know that I don’t have any sort of right to rely on the union fighting my case specifically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reddit is reporting that HHS is appealing the arbitration decision. My guess is we will end up in the same boat. Expected but disappointing.

Agencies really have no choice to appeal. But they could also allow regular telework while appealing. Give people two days. Other agencies have done it. Once they try to start hiring, maybe someone will tell those in charge that there are few qualified applicants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reddit is reporting that HHS is appealing the arbitration decision. My guess is we will end up in the same boat. Expected but disappointing.

Agencies really have no choice to appeal. But they could also allow regular telework while appealing. Give people two days. Other agencies have done it. Once they try to start hiring, maybe someone will tell those in charge that there are few qualified applicants.

HHS has indeed notified the NTEU that the management will appeal. It will likely take the FLRA a year to rule. Then that can also be appealed. All of this means that we will unlikely to have telework back. I am absolutely certain Atkins will appeal as well. More people will leave, but that’s the point.

I also believe it will be difficult for the agency to attract talent with the full RTO in place.

I hope I am wrong. But as so may here have said, Atkins hates his staff/us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've been a dues-paying employee for years and I don't receive any union emails.

For a few months, they were being sent to my personal email, but not anymore.

I'm essentially paying $600+ a year for insurance against getting fired.

You pay $600/yr?! NP not the one arguing - at the SEC 10 yrs and never joined - I mean $6000 saved isn’t nothing?! I mean what do you really get - I’m still BU so I get what everyone else gets. No I haven’t seen the telework opinion but I don’t particularly care - PA will do what he does whether I read the opinion or not. As for being fired - if you needed union representation bc something came up you could join the union then - and have saved $600/yr for whoever long you’ve been w the agency.

The dues are paid for in benefits obtained by the union, with amounts left over. So this math for money out the door for dues isn’t mathing. The health dental and vision insurance benefits pay for dues alone. On top of that, you have the supplemental retirement contributions. I don’t know why anyone would assert the dues are costing you money at all. PA hates all those benefits so those would be the first to go if we had no union.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reddit is reporting that HHS is appealing the arbitration decision. My guess is we will end up in the same boat. Expected but disappointing.

Agencies really have no choice to appeal. But they could also allow regular telework while appealing. Give people two days. Other agencies have done it. Once they try to start hiring, maybe someone will tell those in charge that there are few qualified applicants.

HHS has indeed notified the NTEU that the management will appeal. It will likely take the FLRA a year to rule. Then that can also be appealed. All of this means that we will unlikely to have telework back. I am absolutely certain Atkins will appeal as well. More people will leave, but that’s the point.

I also believe it will be difficult for the agency to attract talent with the full RTO in place.

I hope I am wrong. But as so may here have said, Atkins hates his staff/us.

The difference is that if the FLRA rules in favor of the union, then HHS would have to abide by the ruling during the next appeal. Now they don’t when appealing to the FLRA.

Also, the FLRA is pretty backed up, so it could take more than a year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reddit is reporting that HHS is appealing the arbitration decision. My guess is we will end up in the same boat. Expected but disappointing.

Agencies really have no choice to appeal. But they could also allow regular telework while appealing. Give people two days. Other agencies have done it. Once they try to start hiring, maybe someone will tell those in charge that there are few qualified applicants.

HHS has indeed notified the NTEU that the management will appeal. It will likely take the FLRA a year to rule. Then that can also be appealed. All of this means that we will unlikely to have telework back. I am absolutely certain Atkins will appeal as well. More people will leave, but that’s the point.

I also believe it will be difficult for the agency to attract talent with the full RTO in place.

I hope I am wrong. But as so may here have said, Atkins hates his staff/us.

The difference is that if the FLRA rules in favor of the union, then HHS would have to abide by the ruling during the next appeal. Now they don’t when appealing to the FLRA.

Also, the FLRA is pretty backed up, so it could take more than a year.

The whole point of the appeal is SLAPP. Each agency knew they were violating the CBAs they had. Since there are no penalties for the violations, they will continue to appeal until they are out of those options. Which will take years. By then the damage will have been done: gutted government, low morale, disengaged people, lack of competent staff. That’s the whole point!

In addition, Atkins wants to cut all SEC-specific benefits, doesn’t want to give raises.

I feel sorry for OGC attorneys who have to put their names under these frivolous filings and appeals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reddit is reporting that HHS is appealing the arbitration decision. My guess is we will end up in the same boat. Expected but disappointing.

Agencies really have no choice to appeal. But they could also allow regular telework while appealing. Give people two days. Other agencies have done it. Once they try to start hiring, maybe someone will tell those in charge that there are few qualified applicants.

HHS has indeed notified the NTEU that the management will appeal. It will likely take the FLRA a year to rule. Then that can also be appealed. All of this means that we will unlikely to have telework back. I am absolutely certain Atkins will appeal as well. More people will leave, but that’s the point.

I also believe it will be difficult for the agency to attract talent with the full RTO in place.

I hope I am wrong. But as so may here have said, Atkins hates his staff/us.

The difference is that if the FLRA rules in favor of the union, then HHS would have to abide by the ruling during the next appeal. Now they don’t when appealing to the FLRA.

Also, the FLRA is pretty backed up, so it could take more than a year.

Why would FLRA find in the union's favor? They are all appointed by Trump and presumably would like to keep their jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Reddit is reporting that HHS is appealing the arbitration decision. My guess is we will end up in the same boat. Expected but disappointing.

Agencies really have no choice to appeal. But they could also allow regular telework while appealing. Give people two days. Other agencies have done it. Once they try to start hiring, maybe someone will tell those in charge that there are few qualified applicants.

HHS has indeed notified the NTEU that the management will appeal. It will likely take the FLRA a year to rule. Then that can also be appealed. All of this means that we will unlikely to have telework back. I am absolutely certain Atkins will appeal as well. More people will leave, but that’s the point.

I also believe it will be difficult for the agency to attract talent with the full RTO in place.

I hope I am wrong. But as so may here have said, Atkins hates his staff/us.

The difference is that if the FLRA rules in favor of the union, then HHS would have to abide by the ruling during the next appeal. Now they don’t when appealing to the FLRA.

Also, the FLRA is pretty backed up, so it could take more than a year.

The whole point of the appeal is SLAPP. Each agency knew they were violating the CBAs they had. Since there are no penalties for the violations, they will continue to appeal until they are out of those options. Which will take years. By then the damage will have been done: gutted government, low morale, disengaged people, lack of competent staff. That’s the whole point!

In addition, Atkins wants to cut all SEC-specific benefits, doesn’t want to give raises.

I feel sorry for OGC attorneys who have to put their names under these frivolous filings and appeals.

Maybe feel sorry for them for having to defend a policy that is unpopular and may go against their personal interests, but I don’t see why they would worry about frivolity. That an argument lost is a far cry from an argument being frivolous.

[Anonymous]

Love how PA testified yesterday that all the staffing cuts occurred before he arrived. He had nothing to do with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Love how PA testified yesterday that all the staffing cuts occurred before he arrived. He had nothing to do with it.

What a load of….

“It wasn’t me!” Yeah, right.

[Anonymous]

All the cases were dropped before I got there. All the people left before I got there. They all retired or took a buyout.

It seems everything was done before he got there and nothing has been done since he arrived.

Does he really truly believe people all the people who left retired or took a buyout? Does he not understand that many left so they could have the flexibility the SEC contracted to give them?

Does he walks around with earplugs in or does his staff tells him nothing about what’s going on?

Or who is feeding these lies?

[Anonymous]

Dr Oz gave CMS one day a week of telework (two days per pay period). It was done without any union involvement. If he could figure it out in an agency that’s under RFK, PA could absolutely give some telework back to staff.