Massive home addition causes confusion in Fairfax County neighborhood

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Anonymous wrote:This entire situation is so weird. The owners are in fact the parents of the 50+ yr old man who attacked Connolly's staffers. So I'm going to out on a wild limb here and say based on how young the "owner" in the tv interview looks, that guy is probably not the brother of the attacker or the son of the owners.

So why is he, his wife and their kids living in the house and posing as the owners? And if the owners aiready live there, what set of "grandparents" is the owner referring to when he says his culture doesn't put them in nursing homes so he needs to build this large addition for them. It seems 6 people already live there (the owners, the man, his wife and 2 kids).

His story doesn't make any sense and I really don't think he is related to the real owners. Why is he living there? How did he convince the owners to do all this? Is this some sort of elder scam?

Per property records, ownership has bounced between last name Nguyen and last name Pham. Pham is the current owner, same last name as the Connolly attacker. The guy giving the interview is Mike Ngyuen who is likely related to (or is the same person not using his legal name) as the previous Nguyen owner. It's unclear how the Phams and Nguyens are related.

I think Mike is the son in law.

So then all the people he’s been talking about in interviews already live there. This is so confusing re why he wants such a large addition.

The aging parents live in a coveted FCPS pyramid. Mike has young school aged kids. By living with grandma and grandpa they can help out around the house and access good schools. The house is small. They build their own compound on the property so they can live separately but together.

Now, are they trying to sneak in an income property in there too? Maybe. But for the most part their story makes sense.

So according to Zillow the house is over 2,000 sq ft and 4 bedrooms. That would be 1 for grandma and grandpa, 1 for Mike and Mrs Mike, and 1 for each of the kids (I think the thread says they're are 2). How much extra space are they actually building? The interviews are sketchy. The situation is so dire for the grandparents who are also the owners that Mike would need to put them in a nursing home except he won't because his culture doesn't do that. But then it's great because if he builds this space the grandparents can keep living, in their own house, and help out with the kids (but I thought they needed a nursing home). Also it's great room for his kids' families. But he has young kids.

Just tell the truth, whatever.

It has a basement already so it is 3,000 square feet. And if a garage that is also space to to convert. The town actually said if he did the third story over foot print of existing home would not have been a big issue as not moving on top of neighbor. He could of added 1,000 sf that way.

Why do you think it has a basement? None of the original Greenbriar homes have basements.

There is no basement and the 1 car garage was already converted at some point into living space. The extension brought them to between 4500-5000 sq ft, which isn’t obscene for this area. They cheaper out, however. No one would have batted an eye at a 3000 sq foot addition if they’d dug out a basement and bumped out the back.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire situation is so weird. The owners are in fact the parents of the 50+ yr old man who attacked Connolly's staffers. So I'm going to out on a wild limb here and say based on how young the "owner" in the tv interview looks, that guy is probably not the brother of the attacker or the son of the owners.

So why is he, his wife and their kids living in the house and posing as the owners? And if the owners aiready live there, what set of "grandparents" is the owner referring to when he says his culture doesn't put them in nursing homes so he needs to build this large addition for them. It seems 6 people already live there (the owners, the man, his wife and 2 kids).

His story doesn't make any sense and I really don't think he is related to the real owners. Why is he living there? How did he convince the owners to do all this? Is this some sort of elder scam?

Per property records, ownership has bounced between last name Nguyen and last name Pham. Pham is the current owner, same last name as the Connolly attacker. The guy giving the interview is Mike Ngyuen who is likely related to (or is the same person not using his legal name) as the previous Nguyen owner. It's unclear how the Phams and Nguyens are related.

I think Mike is the son in law.

So then all the people he’s been talking about in interviews already live there. This is so confusing re why he wants such a large addition.

The aging parents live in a coveted FCPS pyramid. Mike has young school aged kids. By living with grandma and grandpa they can help out around the house and access good schools. The house is small. They build their own compound on the property so they can live separately but together.

Now, are they trying to sneak in an income property in there too? Maybe. But for the most part their story makes sense.

So according to Zillow the house is over 2,000 sq ft and 4 bedrooms. That would be 1 for grandma and grandpa, 1 for Mike and Mrs Mike, and 1 for each of the kids (I think the thread says they're are 2). How much extra space are they actually building? The interviews are sketchy. The situation is so dire for the grandparents who are also the owners that Mike would need to put them in a nursing home except he won't because his culture doesn't do that. But then it's great because if he builds this space the grandparents can keep living, in their own house, and help out with the kids (but I thought they needed a nursing home). Also it's great room for his kids' families. But he has young kids.

Just tell the truth, whatever.

It has a basement already so it is 3,000 square feet. And if a garage that is also space to to convert. The town actually said if he did the third story over foot print of existing home would not have been a big issue as not moving on top of neighbor. He could of added 1,000 sf that way.

Why do you think it has a basement? None of the original Greenbriar homes have basements.

There is no basement and the 1 car garage was already converted at some point into living space. The extension brought them to between 4500-5000 sq ft, which isn’t obscene for this area. They cheaper out, however. No one would have batted an eye at a 3000 sq foot addition if they’d dug out a basement and bumped out the back.

Exactly - if they had added a basement and bumped into the back (overhead views show it already had a small addition back there), nobody would care. He is doing this in the most cheap and obnoxious way possible. And again, the addition is 6 br and 6 ba. Not a couple extra bedrooms and an office and extra play space, as he claims.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire situation is so weird. The owners are in fact the parents of the 50+ yr old man who attacked Connolly's staffers. So I'm going to out on a wild limb here and say based on how young the "owner" in the tv interview looks, that guy is probably not the brother of the attacker or the son of the owners.

So why is he, his wife and their kids living in the house and posing as the owners? And if the owners aiready live there, what set of "grandparents" is the owner referring to when he says his culture doesn't put them in nursing homes so he needs to build this large addition for them. It seems 6 people already live there (the owners, the man, his wife and 2 kids).

His story doesn't make any sense and I really don't think he is related to the real owners. Why is he living there? How did he convince the owners to do all this? Is this some sort of elder scam?

Per property records, ownership has bounced between last name Nguyen and last name Pham. Pham is the current owner, same last name as the Connolly attacker. The guy giving the interview is Mike Ngyuen who is likely related to (or is the same person not using his legal name) as the previous Nguyen owner. It's unclear how the Phams and Nguyens are related.

I think Mike is the son in law.

So then all the people he’s been talking about in interviews already live there. This is so confusing re why he wants such a large addition.

The aging parents live in a coveted FCPS pyramid. Mike has young school aged kids. By living with grandma and grandpa they can help out around the house and access good schools. The house is small. They build their own compound on the property so they can live separately but together.

Now, are they trying to sneak in an income property in there too? Maybe. But for the most part their story makes sense.

So according to Zillow the house is over 2,000 sq ft and 4 bedrooms. That would be 1 for grandma and grandpa, 1 for Mike and Mrs Mike, and 1 for each of the kids (I think the thread says they're are 2). How much extra space are they actually building? The interviews are sketchy. The situation is so dire for the grandparents who are also the owners that Mike would need to put them in a nursing home except he won't because his culture doesn't do that. But then it's great because if he builds this space the grandparents can keep living, in their own house, and help out with the kids (but I thought they needed a nursing home). Also it's great room for his kids' families. But he has young kids.

Just tell the truth, whatever.

It has a basement already so it is 3,000 square feet. And if a garage that is also space to to convert. The town actually said if he did the third story over foot print of existing home would not have been a big issue as not moving on top of neighbor. He could of added 1,000 sf that way.

Why do you think it has a basement? None of the original Greenbriar homes have basements.

There is no basement and the 1 car garage was already converted at some point into living space. The extension brought them to between 4500-5000 sq ft, which isn’t obscene for this area. They cheaper out, however. No one would have batted an eye at a 3000 sq foot addition if they’d dug out a basement and bumped out the back.

Exactly - if they had added a basement and bumped into the back (overhead views show it already had a small addition back there), nobody would care. He is doing this in the most cheap and obnoxious way possible. And again, the addition is 6 br and 6 ba. Not a couple extra bedrooms and an office and extra play space, as he claims.

Is it possible to add a basement to an existing structure like that?

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Anonymous wrote:This entire situation is so weird. The owners are in fact the parents of the 50+ yr old man who attacked Connolly's staffers. So I'm going to out on a wild limb here and say based on how young the "owner" in the tv interview looks, that guy is probably not the brother of the attacker or the son of the owners.

So why is he, his wife and their kids living in the house and posing as the owners? And if the owners aiready live there, what set of "grandparents" is the owner referring to when he says his culture doesn't put them in nursing homes so he needs to build this large addition for them. It seems 6 people already live there (the owners, the man, his wife and 2 kids).

His story doesn't make any sense and I really don't think he is related to the real owners. Why is he living there? How did he convince the owners to do all this? Is this some sort of elder scam?

Per property records, ownership has bounced between last name Nguyen and last name Pham. Pham is the current owner, same last name as the Connolly attacker. The guy giving the interview is Mike Ngyuen who is likely related to (or is the same person not using his legal name) as the previous Nguyen owner. It's unclear how the Phams and Nguyens are related.

I think Mike is the son in law.

So then all the people he’s been talking about in interviews already live there. This is so confusing re why he wants such a large addition.

The aging parents live in a coveted FCPS pyramid. Mike has young school aged kids. By living with grandma and grandpa they can help out around the house and access good schools. The house is small. They build their own compound on the property so they can live separately but together.

Now, are they trying to sneak in an income property in there too? Maybe. But for the most part their story makes sense.

So according to Zillow the house is over 2,000 sq ft and 4 bedrooms. That would be 1 for grandma and grandpa, 1 for Mike and Mrs Mike, and 1 for each of the kids (I think the thread says they're are 2). How much extra space are they actually building? The interviews are sketchy. The situation is so dire for the grandparents who are also the owners that Mike would need to put them in a nursing home except he won't because his culture doesn't do that. But then it's great because if he builds this space the grandparents can keep living, in their own house, and help out with the kids (but I thought they needed a nursing home). Also it's great room for his kids' families. But he has young kids.

Just tell the truth, whatever.

It has a basement already so it is 3,000 square feet. And if a garage that is also space to to convert. The town actually said if he did the third story over foot print of existing home would not have been a big issue as not moving on top of neighbor. He could of added 1,000 sf that way.

Why do you think it has a basement? None of the original Greenbriar homes have basements.

There is no basement and the 1 car garage was already converted at some point into living space. The extension brought them to between 4500-5000 sq ft, which isn’t obscene for this area. They cheaper out, however. No one would have batted an eye at a 3000 sq foot addition if they’d dug out a basement and bumped out the back.

Exactly - if they had added a basement and bumped into the back (overhead views show it already had a small addition back there), nobody would care. He is doing this in the most cheap and obnoxious way possible. And again, the addition is 6 br and 6 ba. Not a couple extra bedrooms and an office and extra play space, as he claims.

Is it possible to add a basement to an existing structure like that?

You can have one dug out.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire situation is so weird. The owners are in fact the parents of the 50+ yr old man who attacked Connolly's staffers. So I'm going to out on a wild limb here and say based on how young the "owner" in the tv interview looks, that guy is probably not the brother of the attacker or the son of the owners.

So why is he, his wife and their kids living in the house and posing as the owners? And if the owners aiready live there, what set of "grandparents" is the owner referring to when he says his culture doesn't put them in nursing homes so he needs to build this large addition for them. It seems 6 people already live there (the owners, the man, his wife and 2 kids).

His story doesn't make any sense and I really don't think he is related to the real owners. Why is he living there? How did he convince the owners to do all this? Is this some sort of elder scam?

Per property records, ownership has bounced between last name Nguyen and last name Pham. Pham is the current owner, same last name as the Connolly attacker. The guy giving the interview is Mike Ngyuen who is likely related to (or is the same person not using his legal name) as the previous Nguyen owner. It's unclear how the Phams and Nguyens are related.

I think Mike is the son in law.

So then all the people he’s been talking about in interviews already live there. This is so confusing re why he wants such a large addition.

The aging parents live in a coveted FCPS pyramid. Mike has young school aged kids. By living with grandma and grandpa they can help out around the house and access good schools. The house is small. They build their own compound on the property so they can live separately but together.

Now, are they trying to sneak in an income property in there too? Maybe. But for the most part their story makes sense.

So according to Zillow the house is over 2,000 sq ft and 4 bedrooms. That would be 1 for grandma and grandpa, 1 for Mike and Mrs Mike, and 1 for each of the kids (I think the thread says they're are 2). How much extra space are they actually building? The interviews are sketchy. The situation is so dire for the grandparents who are also the owners that Mike would need to put them in a nursing home except he won't because his culture doesn't do that. But then it's great because if he builds this space the grandparents can keep living, in their own house, and help out with the kids (but I thought they needed a nursing home). Also it's great room for his kids' families. But he has young kids.

Just tell the truth, whatever.

It has a basement already so it is 3,000 square feet. And if a garage that is also space to to convert. The town actually said if he did the third story over foot print of existing home would not have been a big issue as not moving on top of neighbor. He could of added 1,000 sf that way.

Why do you think it has a basement? None of the original Greenbriar homes have basements.

There is no basement and the 1 car garage was already converted at some point into living space. The extension brought them to between 4500-5000 sq ft, which isn’t obscene for this area. They cheaper out, however. No one would have batted an eye at a 3000 sq foot addition if they’d dug out a basement and bumped out the back.

Exactly - if they had added a basement and bumped into the back (overhead views show it already had a small addition back there), nobody would care. He is doing this in the most cheap and obnoxious way possible. And again, the addition is 6 br and 6 ba. Not a couple extra bedrooms and an office and extra play space, as he claims.

Is it possible to add a basement to an existing structure like that?

You can have one dug out.

Anything is possible with enough money

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I wasn’t here when my friend did this - I imagine that it would be hard to do under existing structure. I think they just did a tear down.

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Where is everyone going to park?

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Anonymous wrote:Where is everyone going to park?

A large issue, yes

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Anonymous wrote:Growing up my old Italian Neighbor had a new neighbor who did this type of nonsense. An investor trying to build a massive house that was illegally going to be multi family ignoring set backs.

My old neighbor kept suing, using connections in building dept to drag it hoping guy would quit. He had the unfinished house for 10 years next to him.

Finally his lawyer met with neighbor and said look we give up. Just pay us $100,000 we will sign off on variances, drop lawsuits even tell town go ahead and approve. Under one condition you put in writing no more building permits can every be filled out on property. Nothing can ever be built on property again and put it in deed as a restriction. Guy said yes.

Was built my neighbor caught a flight to Miami, sat in front seat of restaurant on busy street with friends and right after house done it burned to ground while he was in Miami.

He returned and bought the plot mostly with his 100K check and put a nice garden and Bachi Ball court.

Great story! And after 10 years of endearing such a costly nightmare to finances and health, I fully applaud the "unfortunate" fire that occurred to the unfinished house while the neighbor vacationed in FL.

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Anonymous wrote:He could have power of attorney or a guardianship

I do not believe that those type of things work like this. If there is a POA or guardianship in play for the home owner than it signals that the owner is not of sound mind or unable to make cognizant decisions. That they need help managing their existing situation. An appointed POA agent or guardian can not just then go off and opt to have a new build on their behalf.

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The story has made the Washington Post and in the comment section someone claims that the addition was planned for kitchens on each floor and the intention is after the extra space is no longer needed (I guess the grandparents perish? Or the kids go off to college or both) that he will be renting the levels out as apartments.

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Anonymous wrote:The story has made the Washington Post and in the comment section someone claims that the addition was planned for kitchens on each floor and the intention is after the extra space is no longer needed (I guess the grandparents perish? Or the kids go off to college or both) that he will be renting the levels out as apartments.

How is this possible? Does Fairfax county legally allow for an apartment building in a residential neighborhood ?

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Anonymous wrote:This entire situation is so weird. The owners are in fact the parents of the 50+ yr old man who attacked Connolly's staffers. So I'm going to out on a wild limb here and say based on how young the "owner" in the tv interview looks, that guy is probably not the brother of the attacker or the son of the owners.

So why is he, his wife and their kids living in the house and posing as the owners? And if the owners aiready live there, what set of "grandparents" is the owner referring to when he says his culture doesn't put them in nursing homes so he needs to build this large addition for them. It seems 6 people already live there (the owners, the man, his wife and 2 kids).

His story doesn't make any sense and I really don't think he is related to the real owners. Why is he living there? How did he convince the owners to do all this? Is this some sort of elder scam?

Per property records, ownership has bounced between last name Nguyen and last name Pham. Pham is the current owner, same last name as the Connolly attacker. The guy giving the interview is Mike Ngyuen who is likely related to (or is the same person not using his legal name) as the previous Nguyen owner. It's unclear how the Phams and Nguyens are related.

I think Mike is the son in law.

So then all the people he’s been talking about in interviews already live there. This is so confusing re why he wants such a large addition.

The aging parents live in a coveted FCPS pyramid. Mike has young school aged kids. By living with grandma and grandpa they can help out around the house and access good schools. The house is small. They build their own compound on the property so they can live separately but together.

Now, are they trying to sneak in an income property in there too? Maybe. But for the most part their story makes sense.

So according to Zillow the house is over 2,000 sq ft and 4 bedrooms. That would be 1 for grandma and grandpa, 1 for Mike and Mrs Mike, and 1 for each of the kids (I think the thread says they're are 2). How much extra space are they actually building? The interviews are sketchy. The situation is so dire for the grandparents who are also the owners that Mike would need to put them in a nursing home except he won't because his culture doesn't do that. But then it's great because if he builds this space the grandparents can keep living, in their own house, and help out with the kids (but I thought they needed a nursing home). Also it's great room for his kids' families. But he has young kids.

Just tell the truth, whatever.

It has a basement already so it is 3,000 square feet. And if a garage that is also space to to convert. The town actually said if he did the third story over foot print of existing home would not have been a big issue as not moving on top of neighbor. He could of added 1,000 sf that way.

Why do you think it has a basement? None of the original Greenbriar homes have basements.

There is no basement and the 1 car garage was already converted at some point into living space. The extension brought them to between 4500-5000 sq ft, which isn’t obscene for this area. They cheaper out, however. No one would have batted an eye at a 3000 sq foot addition if they’d dug out a basement and bumped out the back.

Exactly - if they had added a basement and bumped into the back (overhead views show it already had a small addition back there), nobody would care. He is doing this in the most cheap and obnoxious way possible. And again, the addition is 6 br and 6 ba. Not a couple extra bedrooms and an office and extra play space, as he claims.

Is it possible to add a basement to an existing structure like that?

It is, as part of an addition, so it would be under the new part, not the old part. Can’t imagine the cost and effort that would be needed to dig under an existing structure. It would be prohibitive and given the age / look of existing house, would just be more cost effective to tear down and built a new one.

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Anonymous wrote:The story has made the Washington Post and in the comment section someone claims that the addition was planned for kitchens on each floor and the intention is after the extra space is no longer needed (I guess the grandparents perish? Or the kids go off to college or both) that he will be renting the levels out as apartments.

How is this possible? Does Fairfax county legally allow for an apartment building in a residential neighborhood ?

The point is that plenty of people engage in activities that are illegal. Illegal construction, followed by illegal rental operation.

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Anonymous wrote:The story has made the Washington Post and in the comment section someone claims that the addition was planned for kitchens on each floor and the intention is after the extra space is no longer needed (I guess the grandparents perish? Or the kids go off to college or both) that he will be renting the levels out as apartments.

Wow! DH and I were talking about this slop today. It's as if DD+SIL+kids+his parents/inlaw+some others moved into our house. Then SIL takes over the house . Tracking the sales it was 1st bought by daughter [under duress sale], sold for zero to her parents, parents sold for zero back to daughter, parents paid 485k as a valid and certified sale.

Why all these odd ownership changes? Maybe the pack leader thought a drain of elderly owner assets would mean property tax relief?