Gene Hackman R.I.P.

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Anonymous wrote:How many responses are from 50-60 years old with a 95 year old parent married to a loving wife in her 60s?

Why does the age of the parent’s spouse factor in with how often someone checks in with their own parent?

+1 seriously!

If the concern is genuinely that they might be dying, then if matters because they have someone else who is able to take care of them in the vast majority of circumstances. Whatever happened here is the outlier, not a normal experience for someone in their 60s.

DP.

Thank you for your very clinical response.

+1 unemotional and unfeeling. We often see and hear of people left alone in nursing homes with fewvor no family visits or calls. Very sad.

What’s sad is that they often are simply reaping what they’ve sown, but because they’re old, you assume they’re the neglected victims.

I only know how I would treat elderly parents and grandparents. No one in our extended family would die and remain on the floor with no one knowing an out the death for weeks. If you think keeping a distance and not contacting someone for weeks is appropriate for your family members, then so be it.

*But I'm in my 40s and honestly I guess I don't know how I'd truly act two decades from now. I'll check back when I'm 65 and my 95 year old absentee father has a wife my age.

If you love a parent, you stay in touch, regardless of the spouse's age. Maybe not every day but frequently. His daughter said he was doing pilates and yoga. No, he wasn't. She was out of touch. He was frail, thin, and either used his cane or leaned on his wife when they went out.

How do you know all this about two complete strangers. Were you calling them once a week?

Clearly his kids weren't calling every week.

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Anonymous wrote:Holy S. I tuned in late, but Hackman's wife died of Hanta virus? Who had that in their bingo cards this year? Hackman was in the house for a week with his deceased wife before he died.

https://abc7.com/post/gene-hackman-death-sheriff-provide-updates-friday/15987259/?ex_cid=TA_KABC_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+New+Content+%28Feed%29&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawI4QvJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHbSF58aIKiKRp7IHCGGn2sqF27JcM-D8We7o9QQVfFeJYHLOWeGvV7-Xaw_aem_1mb4Gu6K72l_5hCO5Vyj2A


Suffering from Alzheimer's, he was probably just completely confused and had no idea how to process any of it or call for help. What a sad story.

It sounds like they mostly kept to themselves. Poor woman. She obviously loved him deeply but 24/7 care of a 95 yo with full-blown Alzheimer's is hard, lonely work. I'm sorry she didn't have anyone checking in on her/them.

I’m honestly shocked they didnt hire anyone to help with his care given his wealth. Might have been discovered sooner.

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Biologist here.

You almost need to sleep on a bed of rodent droppings to catch hantavirus. Meaning, the dose of droppings needs to be extreme to catch it, which is why it's so rare. This is why it's usually caught by hikers who sleep outdoors - not the day hiker who happens to sit in a pile of infected leaves and eat a sandwich.

The authorities haven't said a word, but I'd be interested in the cleanliness of their home, and her state of mind. No sane person, unless perhaps they're a hoarder, lives in such a way in their own home to cause a hantavirus infection.
I doubt at her age and with her husband, that they were camping overnight in the woods...

And dehydration was probably a factor in the death of Gene and the dog. The media just isn't very accurate and the experts are cagey. But obviously you die from thirst before you die from lack of food.

I will also note that a relative of Gene's denied he had advanced Alzheimer's. It's sadly typical of some people that they feel shame and the need to hide such diagnoses, but it only ends up confusing everyone. I am glad the salient points of the medical report were publicly disclosed. That relative must be feeling pretty foolish now.

This is just wrong. Hantavirus is rare and yes you’re more likely to get it indoors, but as this article discussing an outbreak at Yosemite makes clear, you can catch it outside and you certainly don’t have to be writhing in a bed of it.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2012/08/104306/hantavirus-be-careful-not-fearful

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Anonymous wrote:So.

Biologist here.

You almost need to sleep on a bed of rodent droppings to catch hantavirus. Meaning, the dose of droppings needs to be extreme to catch it, which is why it's so rare. This is why it's usually caught by hikers who sleep outdoors - not the day hiker who happens to sit in a pile of infected leaves and eat a sandwich.

The authorities haven't said a word, but I'd be interested in the cleanliness of their home, and her state of mind. No sane person, unless perhaps they're a hoarder, lives in such a way in their own home to cause a hantavirus infection.
I doubt at her age and with her husband, that they were camping overnight in the woods...

And dehydration was probably a factor in the death of Gene and the dog. The media just isn't very accurate and the experts are cagey. But obviously you die from thirst before you die from lack of food.

I will also note that a relative of Gene's denied he had advanced Alzheimer's. It's sadly typical of some people that they feel shame and the need to hide such diagnoses, but it only ends up confusing everyone. I am glad the salient points of the medical report were publicly disclosed. That relative must be feeling pretty foolish now.

This is just wrong. Hantavirus is rare and yes you’re more likely to get it indoors, but as this article discussing an outbreak at Yosemite makes clear, you can catch it outside and you certainly don’t have to be writhing in a bed of it.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2012/08/104306/hantavirus-be-careful-not-fearful

I know someone who got hantavirus from sweeping up their garage and around the outside of their house.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So.

Biologist here.

You almost need to sleep on a bed of rodent droppings to catch hantavirus. Meaning, the dose of droppings needs to be extreme to catch it, which is why it's so rare. This is why it's usually caught by hikers who sleep outdoors - not the day hiker who happens to sit in a pile of infected leaves and eat a sandwich.

The authorities haven't said a word, but I'd be interested in the cleanliness of their home, and her state of mind. No sane person, unless perhaps they're a hoarder, lives in such a way in their own home to cause a hantavirus infection.
I doubt at her age and with her husband, that they were camping overnight in the woods...

And dehydration was probably a factor in the death of Gene and the dog. The media just isn't very accurate and the experts are cagey. But obviously you die from thirst before you die from lack of food.

I will also note that a relative of Gene's denied he had advanced Alzheimer's. It's sadly typical of some people that they feel shame and the need to hide such diagnoses, but it only ends up confusing everyone. I am glad the salient points of the medical report were publicly disclosed. That relative must be feeling pretty foolish now.

This is just wrong. Hantavirus is rare and yes you’re more likely to get it indoors, but as this article discussing an outbreak at Yosemite makes clear, you can catch it outside and you certainly don’t have to be writhing in a bed of it.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2012/08/104306/hantavirus-be-careful-not-fearful

I know someone who got hantavirus from sweeping up their garage and around the outside of their house.

Just curious...do people in those areas not have regular exterminator/pest control?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So.

Biologist here.

You almost need to sleep on a bed of rodent droppings to catch hantavirus. Meaning, the dose of droppings needs to be extreme to catch it, which is why it's so rare. This is why it's usually caught by hikers who sleep outdoors - not the day hiker who happens to sit in a pile of infected leaves and eat a sandwich.

The authorities haven't said a word, but I'd be interested in the cleanliness of their home, and her state of mind. No sane person, unless perhaps they're a hoarder, lives in such a way in their own home to cause a hantavirus infection.
I doubt at her age and with her husband, that they were camping overnight in the woods...

And dehydration was probably a factor in the death of Gene and the dog. The media just isn't very accurate and the experts are cagey. But obviously you die from thirst before you die from lack of food.

I will also note that a relative of Gene's denied he had advanced Alzheimer's. It's sadly typical of some people that they feel shame and the need to hide such diagnoses, but it only ends up confusing everyone. I am glad the salient points of the medical report were publicly disclosed. That relative must be feeling pretty foolish now.

This is just wrong. Hantavirus is rare and yes you’re more likely to get it indoors, but as this article discussing an outbreak at Yosemite makes clear, you can catch it outside and you certainly don’t have to be writhing in a bed of it.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2012/08/104306/hantavirus-be-careful-not-fearful

I know someone who got hantavirus from sweeping up their garage and around the outside of their house.

Anyone who has lived in the 4 corners area (the real 4 corners, not just those states) knows someone who has had it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So.

Biologist here.

You almost need to sleep on a bed of rodent droppings to catch hantavirus. Meaning, the dose of droppings needs to be extreme to catch it, which is why it's so rare. This is why it's usually caught by hikers who sleep outdoors - not the day hiker who happens to sit in a pile of infected leaves and eat a sandwich.

The authorities haven't said a word, but I'd be interested in the cleanliness of their home, and her state of mind. No sane person, unless perhaps they're a hoarder, lives in such a way in their own home to cause a hantavirus infection.
I doubt at her age and with her husband, that they were camping overnight in the woods...

And dehydration was probably a factor in the death of Gene and the dog. The media just isn't very accurate and the experts are cagey. But obviously you die from thirst before you die from lack of food.

I will also note that a relative of Gene's denied he had advanced Alzheimer's. It's sadly typical of some people that they feel shame and the need to hide such diagnoses, but it only ends up confusing everyone. I am glad the salient points of the medical report were publicly disclosed. That relative must be feeling pretty foolish now.

This is just wrong. Hantavirus is rare and yes you’re more likely to get it indoors, but as this article discussing an outbreak at Yosemite makes clear, you can catch it outside and you certainly don’t have to be writhing in a bed of it.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2012/08/104306/hantavirus-be-careful-not-fearful

I know someone who got hantavirus from sweeping up their garage and around the outside of their house.

Anyone who has lived in the 4 corners area (the real 4 corners, not just those states) knows someone who has had it.

Why those areas?

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I had figured Gene died of a heart attack or something, like if he found his wife and tried to go get help. Didn't know he had Alz.
But if he had Alz and she was his only caregiver, I am astonished family would not have done something to arrange for someone to be coming in daily.

My mom's cousin had Alz and her husband, in his 80s, took care of her. But one son had a basement apt there and the other kids would go there as well. One week the live in son was gone fishing. Husband has a heart attack in the bedroom, falls against the door, she's on the other side so the door doesn't open. Other kids called a couple of times and both times she answered and said he went to the store or was napping. Sone gets back from fishing and his dad has been dead for 3 days.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So.

Biologist here.

You almost need to sleep on a bed of rodent droppings to catch hantavirus. Meaning, the dose of droppings needs to be extreme to catch it, which is why it's so rare. This is why it's usually caught by hikers who sleep outdoors - not the day hiker who happens to sit in a pile of infected leaves and eat a sandwich.

The authorities haven't said a word, but I'd be interested in the cleanliness of their home, and her state of mind. No sane person, unless perhaps they're a hoarder, lives in such a way in their own home to cause a hantavirus infection.
I doubt at her age and with her husband, that they were camping overnight in the woods...

And dehydration was probably a factor in the death of Gene and the dog. The media just isn't very accurate and the experts are cagey. But obviously you die from thirst before you die from lack of food.

I will also note that a relative of Gene's denied he had advanced Alzheimer's. It's sadly typical of some people that they feel shame and the need to hide such diagnoses, but it only ends up confusing everyone. I am glad the salient points of the medical report were publicly disclosed. That relative must be feeling pretty foolish now.

This is just wrong. Hantavirus is rare and yes you’re more likely to get it indoors, but as this article discussing an outbreak at Yosemite makes clear, you can catch it outside and you certainly don’t have to be writhing in a bed of it.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2012/08/104306/hantavirus-be-careful-not-fearful

I know someone who got hantavirus from sweeping up their garage and around the outside of their house.

Anyone who has lived in the 4 corners area (the real 4 corners, not just those states) knows someone who has had it.

Why those areas?

That's where the first known US outbreak occurred.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So.

Biologist here.

You almost need to sleep on a bed of rodent droppings to catch hantavirus. Meaning, the dose of droppings needs to be extreme to catch it, which is why it's so rare. This is why it's usually caught by hikers who sleep outdoors - not the day hiker who happens to sit in a pile of infected leaves and eat a sandwich.

The authorities haven't said a word, but I'd be interested in the cleanliness of their home, and her state of mind. No sane person, unless perhaps they're a hoarder, lives in such a way in their own home to cause a hantavirus infection.
I doubt at her age and with her husband, that they were camping overnight in the woods...

And dehydration was probably a factor in the death of Gene and the dog. The media just isn't very accurate and the experts are cagey. But obviously you die from thirst before you die from lack of food.

I will also note that a relative of Gene's denied he had advanced Alzheimer's. It's sadly typical of some people that they feel shame and the need to hide such diagnoses, but it only ends up confusing everyone. I am glad the salient points of the medical report were publicly disclosed. That relative must be feeling pretty foolish now.

This is just wrong. Hantavirus is rare and yes you’re more likely to get it indoors, but as this article discussing an outbreak at Yosemite makes clear, you can catch it outside and you certainly don’t have to be writhing in a bed of it.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2012/08/104306/hantavirus-be-careful-not-fearful

I know someone who got hantavirus from sweeping up their garage and around the outside of their house.

Just curious...do people in those areas not have regular exterminator/pest control?

What, do DCUM families have a weekly pest control guy as well as a house cleaner?
CDC says house mice rarely, if ever, carry hantavirus (apparently each strain as a specific species reservoir, in the 4 corners it's deer mice). They lived in what has been described as isolated from town, there's plenty of habitat for wild rodents. My impression is that the virus can spread on dust contaminated with droppings, and Santa Fe is dry.
The apparently figured Gene's death out based on his pacemaker, his heart rhythm had become abnormal.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So.

Biologist here.

You almost need to sleep on a bed of rodent droppings to catch hantavirus. Meaning, the dose of droppings needs to be extreme to catch it, which is why it's so rare. This is why it's usually caught by hikers who sleep outdoors - not the day hiker who happens to sit in a pile of infected leaves and eat a sandwich.

The authorities haven't said a word, but I'd be interested in the cleanliness of their home, and her state of mind. No sane person, unless perhaps they're a hoarder, lives in such a way in their own home to cause a hantavirus infection.
I doubt at her age and with her husband, that they were camping overnight in the woods...

And dehydration was probably a factor in the death of Gene and the dog. The media just isn't very accurate and the experts are cagey. But obviously you die from thirst before you die from lack of food.

I will also note that a relative of Gene's denied he had advanced Alzheimer's. It's sadly typical of some people that they feel shame and the need to hide such diagnoses, but it only ends up confusing everyone. I am glad the salient points of the medical report were publicly disclosed. That relative must be feeling pretty foolish now.

This is just wrong. Hantavirus is rare and yes you’re more likely to get it indoors, but as this article discussing an outbreak at Yosemite makes clear, you can catch it outside and you certainly don’t have to be writhing in a bed of it.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2012/08/104306/hantavirus-be-careful-not-fearful

I know someone who got hantavirus from sweeping up their garage and around the outside of their house.

Anyone who has lived in the 4 corners area (the real 4 corners, not just those states) knows someone who has had it.

Why those areas?

Because that is where deer mice live (not just in the four corners, but they are a western critter prevalent in the four corners), and deer mice carry the SNV variant which causes HPS. There are other variants and carriers, and there are a few cases in the east and southeast. This article is older so the case numbers are lower, but it’s a good introduction to hantavirus if you want to learn more about it.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3840873/

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Anonymous wrote:Where was she that she was inhaling rodent union and droppings to contract hantavirus?

It happens all the time in the South West. Totally clean house, and you can't detect there are rodents in your walls and ceiling. They poop and pee and you breathe in Hanta.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with this. Better thing would be when did she last use phone or search on computers etc. You know he was seen driving less tha. a year ago so doubting he had sever alzheimer’s.

Alzheimer’s can get very bad very quickly.

I had a relative who had minor short term memory loss, but was driving and doing well until they fell and hit their head, and the decline was quite severe. The doctors said it was very common. These people have very little mental “reserve,” and any kind of insult can precipitate a rapid decline.

[Anonymous]

Exhibit A for why having kids is so, sooooooop overrated

So many people think their kids are gonna give a crap about them when they get old and are on their death bed.

So many examples of where it isn't true. Or your kids turn into massive jerk offs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So.

Biologist here.

You almost need to sleep on a bed of rodent droppings to catch hantavirus. Meaning, the dose of droppings needs to be extreme to catch it, which is why it's so rare. This is why it's usually caught by hikers who sleep outdoors - not the day hiker who happens to sit in a pile of infected leaves and eat a sandwich.

The authorities haven't said a word, but I'd be interested in the cleanliness of their home, and her state of mind. No sane person, unless perhaps they're a hoarder, lives in such a way in their own home to cause a hantavirus infection.
I doubt at her age and with her husband, that they were camping overnight in the woods...

And dehydration was probably a factor in the death of Gene and the dog. The media just isn't very accurate and the experts are cagey. But obviously you die from thirst before you die from lack of food.

I will also note that a relative of Gene's denied he had advanced Alzheimer's. It's sadly typical of some people that they feel shame and the need to hide such diagnoses, but it only ends up confusing everyone. I am glad the salient points of the medical report were publicly disclosed. That relative must be feeling pretty foolish now.

This is just wrong. Hantavirus is rare and yes you’re more likely to get it indoors, but as this article discussing an outbreak at Yosemite makes clear, you can catch it outside and you certainly don’t have to be writhing in a bed of it.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2012/08/104306/hantavirus-be-careful-not-fearful

I know someone who got hantavirus from sweeping up their garage and around the outside of their house.

Just curious...do people in those areas not have regular exterminator/pest control?

They lived in a semi rural area. There are deer mice everywhere in the New Mexico countryside, so exterminating the ones in your house just makes room for the ones outside to come in (usually looking for water). Mice can enter through the tiniest holes you can imagine, and it’s very common for it to be an ongoing battle, especially in arid places. Besides, the articles said there were no signs of mice in the house, but there were in outbuildings.