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Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

A Catholic school in Indiana isn’t a huge draw for POC? Shocking!!

ahem. Using the same argument, there should be only 18% Catholics at ND because Indiana is only 18% Catholic.

No, when doing this analysis the experts compare to the national percentage of blacks, which is 14%. Hence, Harvard's black population is 14%. So it is at the other top schools. How do they achieve this? By offering generous merit and financial aid packages. Clearly, ND isn't vested in increasing diversity for the sake of its own student body by trying to increase the number if black students, Catholic or not.

4% of US Catholics are black. This lines up with the percent of blacks at Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a religious school and has different institutional priorities than secular universities.

Agree. ND is well known for its religious priorities and the students it attracts. Why anyone would expect different percentages of ND is ludicrous. Move on folks.

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I am the one who posted that haters complain each year saying ND doesn't belong in T20. The fact of the matter is that ND will continue to focus it's priorities on its Catholic identity. This means there will be less appeal to the general non-Catholic public and limits its ability to attract people of more diversity. Despite ND's dedication to its strong Catholic identity, it manages to say on top of the rankings, likely because it makes up for this limitation with other very strong characteristics, like it's great academics, beautiful campus, strong athletics, and welcoming community. People here saying that other Catholic institutions manage to have more diversity, keep in mind that those schools are not as blatant about its religious affiliation. Specifically, ND has chapels in all of it's residence halls, a very active basilica on campus, Touchdown Jesus, the grotto, and many of the main student events have an element of religion sprinkled in. This might make some students uncomfortable -- hence the attraction is just not there. Still, it remains a T20 and that is what irks most people here on DCUM.

No, we just find the diversity numbers to be disturbing. ND could do something about that if it chose to. It chooses not to divert funds to recruiting black students.

Or if it wants to focus on Catholic students why doesn't it have more Latino students. It is weird to me that a school that emphasizes it's Catholic identity so much would have so few Latino students. Like ignore diversity for a second -- ND doesn't do a good job of merely representing the *Catholic* community. It's weird.

Catholic Latina mom here. My high stats (fcps grad) kid did not even apply to ND. Our main reason was tuition. We probably would not have qualified for much aid either.

Second reason, although my kids went to k-8 parrochial school, many Latin American Catholics are not super conservative in the religious sense. Most are culturally Catholic, so ND being very focused on their religious identity, was not a draw for my DD.

Third reason: Distance. Most college students in Latin America live at home and commute. Living on campus is not the norm still for US Hispanics. So when comparing percentages of Hispanic students in the US to those enrolled in universities, our numbers will always be lower at “isolated” campuses. In all fairness, my DD lives on campus at an in-state school.

Fourth: North Bend is freaking cold for “my people”. I mean, the word “North” is in the name of the town! Many kids are trying to attend schools in warmer regions anyway.

Thanks for the insight. Seems spot on. But it’s “South Bend.” Not that it makes it any warmer.

Oops! Thanks for the correction.

Also forgot to add…current low Hispanic numbers at ND will continue to make the school less attractive to future applicants. That good old self fulfilling prophecy.

I have never visited the campus, but from what I see in the football stands, the crowd does look very Caucasian, but let’s not forget, many Hispanics do look Caucasian. I’m thinking the few Hispanics that do apply, probably fit the Caucasian look. Those are the ones that are more likely able to afford the tuition. This due to the history of racism and colonialism in Latin America.

Hey, now you are sounding bitter. Are you sure your kid didn't just get outright rejected?

Not bitter at all. My kid did not apply to ND. We fit the “white presenting” Hispanic stereotype, but I am also aware of the history of Latin America.

I forgot to mention that most US Hispanics have mixed indigenous / African / European backgrounds, and probably have not seen many students at ND that look like them if they toured the campus. They would rather attend a school where they felt more students like them.

By the way, my DD is at UVA and enjoying minute of it.

Right, cause that's all you could afford. Nothing wrong with that! My kid also got into UVA but chose ND. Money is no object for us.

Thank you for response (?). I think my DD is doing just fine, being that my husband and I are both immigrants. UVA should provide our DD some upward mobility. And, yes, it is what we could afford without financial aid or loans.
In my view, and in her’s, she is blessed to be attending UVA.

She is. Her chances for social mobility are indeed greater. Talk about one i
of the greatest boosts in acsdemia and beyond: the Rhodes Scholarship. UVA has produced 56 Rhodes; Notre Dame only 9.

A little history goes a long way. Catholics (and Catholic colleges) received very few Rhodes Scholarships for the first 65 years or so of the award. Cecil Rhodes Anglo-Saxon England was Protestant. And while we are at it, NO awards went to women for the first 75 years. So think of that when you are looking at schools like Wellesley.

[b]If you are claiming that the Rhodes foundation discriminated against Catholics I would like to see proof. The experts at Time Magazine in 1956 say you are wrong. https://time.com/archive/6610699/education-how-to-be-a-rhodes-scholar/. Rhodes' religious preferences are unknown but all powerful British men in the 1860s were Protestant due to something called the Reformation. What does that mean? Nothing. Cull the literature on him. There is nothing about religion being important to him. We do know he was gay. Does that mean his foundation favored gay applicants? Of course not. He was a Mason. Does that mean scholarships went to Masons? Of course not. As the Time Magazine piece points out, the early Rhodes Scgokars came from America's earliest, most established and most elite schools, all of which were founded on some type of protestant religion to train clergy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Why don't you just read the claim and don't add your words. The facts stand.

I did. You are wrong. I can explain why Catholics didn't get some of the earlier Thodes but you clearly don't want to listen to "a bit of history".

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Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

A Catholic school in Indiana isn’t a huge draw for POC? Shocking!!

ahem. Using the same argument, there should be only 18% Catholics at ND because Indiana is only 18% Catholic.

No, when doing this analysis the experts compare to the national percentage of blacks, which is 14%. Hence, Harvard's black population is 14%. So it is at the other top schools. How do they achieve this? By offering generous merit and financial aid packages. Clearly, ND isn't vested in increasing diversity for the sake of its own student body by trying to increase the number if black students, Catholic or not.

4% of US Catholics are black. This lines up with the percent of blacks at Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a religious school and has different institutional priorities than secular universities.

Agree. ND is well known for its religious priorities and the students it attracts. Why anyone would expect different percentages of ND is ludicrous. Move on folks.

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I am the one who posted that haters complain each year saying ND doesn't belong in T20. The fact of the matter is that ND will continue to focus it's priorities on its Catholic identity. This means there will be less appeal to the general non-Catholic public and limits its ability to attract people of more diversity. Despite ND's dedication to its strong Catholic identity, it manages to say on top of the rankings, likely because it makes up for this limitation with other very strong characteristics, like it's great academics, beautiful campus, strong athletics, and welcoming community. People here saying that other Catholic institutions manage to have more diversity, keep in mind that those schools are not as blatant about its religious affiliation. Specifically, ND has chapels in all of it's residence halls, a very active basilica on campus, Touchdown Jesus, the grotto, and many of the main student events have an element of religion sprinkled in. This might make some students uncomfortable -- hence the attraction is just not there. Still, it remains a T20 and that is what irks most people here on DCUM.

No, we just find the diversity numbers to be disturbing. ND could do something about that if it chose to. It chooses not to divert funds to recruiting black students.

Or if it wants to focus on Catholic students why doesn't it have more Latino students. It is weird to me that a school that emphasizes it's Catholic identity so much would have so few Latino students. Like ignore diversity for a second -- ND doesn't do a good job of merely representing the *Catholic* community. It's weird.

Catholic Latina mom here. My high stats (fcps grad) kid did not even apply to ND. Our main reason was tuition. We probably would not have qualified for much aid either.

Second reason, although my kids went to k-8 parrochial school, many Latin American Catholics are not super conservative in the religious sense. Most are culturally Catholic, so ND being very focused on their religious identity, was not a draw for my DD.

Third reason: Distance. Most college students in Latin America live at home and commute. Living on campus is not the norm still for US Hispanics. So when comparing percentages of Hispanic students in the US to those enrolled in universities, our numbers will always be lower at “isolated” campuses. In all fairness, my DD lives on campus at an in-state school.

Fourth: North Bend is freaking cold for “my people”. I mean, the word “North” is in the name of the town! Many kids are trying to attend schools in warmer regions anyway.

Thanks for the insight. Seems spot on. But it’s “South Bend.” Not that it makes it any warmer.

Oops! Thanks for the correction.

Also forgot to add…current low Hispanic numbers at ND will continue to make the school less attractive to future applicants. That good old self fulfilling prophecy.

I have never visited the campus, but from what I see in the football stands, the crowd does look very Caucasian, but let’s not forget, many Hispanics do look Caucasian. I’m thinking the few Hispanics that do apply, probably fit the Caucasian look. Those are the ones that are more likely able to afford the tuition. This due to the history of racism and colonialism in Latin America.

Hey, now you are sounding bitter. Are you sure your kid didn't just get outright rejected?

Not bitter at all. My kid did not apply to ND. We fit the “white presenting” Hispanic stereotype, but I am also aware of the history of Latin America.

I forgot to mention that most US Hispanics have mixed indigenous / African / European backgrounds, and probably have not seen many students at ND that look like them if they toured the campus. They would rather attend a school where they felt more students like them.

By the way, my DD is at UVA and enjoying minute of it.

Right, cause that's all you could afford. Nothing wrong with that! My kid also got into UVA but chose ND. Money is no object for us.

I’m not pp. You are an insufferable snob. How would you know what she could afford??? By the way, my very high stats kid is at UVA (Echols) not because it’s all we can afford, rather our kid’s choice. We are full pay and money is no object for us too. Big deal.

Bravo PP. They are insufferable, especially as Notre Dame is $85k a year. Not a good look!

Both are insufferable. Congrats, full pay at second tier schools.

UVA is and has always been a public ivy!

Wahoowa!

UVA is way too big to be a public ivy. It may be called that by some, but it is nothing at all like an ivy. Mine was so turned off by the tour, to much chaos on the weekend, almost all freshman and sophomore classes above 200, many more are 500-800. No way. DC only applied to ivies and similar sized privates, and William and Mary. The quintessential "public ivy" is William and Mary. It is very similar in vibe to ivies, just mildly less selective: it has the quirky intellectuals and the social types, no huge sports/tailgate vibes, smaller parties yet still fun, and hundreds of clubs for a relatively small undergrad population--just like ivies. Sadly USNWR does not include seminar style classes and fac-student ratios as part of their analysis, so WM fell again. Based on overall quality it is a T30.

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Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

The football and basketball teams.

Oh get over yourselves. ND is heavily Catholic, and there are not many black Catholics. BTW, your beloved UVA is only a few percentage points more black at 7% even though it is a state school in a state that is certainly much more black than that.

You are an idiot. And not a good
Catholic/Christian. UVA is public. ND is private with an enormous endowment that boosters on here brag about - it can throw millions at its diversity problem but chooses not to.

UVA is public. It is relatively small for a flagship and has very limited resources. It has become so selective that it can pick the very best black applicants both in-state and OOS. And why us that not a problem? Because the commonwealth has 30+ other public schools (including the community college guaranteed transfer program) to see to the needs of all Virginians. My DS attended GMU which is the most diverse university in the state with black attendance at 11.4%

And by the way any statistician or anyone in Higher Ed can tell you you cannot compare black percentages of college applicants to overall state demographics for the same reason you can't with hispanic population numbers in CS.

Notre Dame can do much better!

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Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

A Catholic school in Indiana isn’t a huge draw for POC? Shocking!!

ahem. Using the same argument, there should be only 18% Catholics at ND because Indiana is only 18% Catholic.

No, when doing this analysis the experts compare to the national percentage of blacks, which is 14%. Hence, Harvard's black population is 14%. So it is at the other top schools. How do they achieve this? By offering generous merit and financial aid packages. Clearly, ND isn't vested in increasing diversity for the sake of its own student body by trying to increase the number if black students, Catholic or not.

4% of US Catholics are black. This lines up with the percent of blacks at Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a religious school and has different institutional priorities than secular universities.

Agree. ND is well known for its religious priorities and the students it attracts. Why anyone would expect different percentages of ND is ludicrous. Move on folks.

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I am the one who posted that haters complain each year saying ND doesn't belong in T20. The fact of the matter is that ND will continue to focus it's priorities on its Catholic identity. This means there will be less appeal to the general non-Catholic public and limits its ability to attract people of more diversity. Despite ND's dedication to its strong Catholic identity, it manages to say on top of the rankings, likely because it makes up for this limitation with other very strong characteristics, like it's great academics, beautiful campus, strong athletics, and welcoming community. People here saying that other Catholic institutions manage to have more diversity, keep in mind that those schools are not as blatant about its religious affiliation. Specifically, ND has chapels in all of it's residence halls, a very active basilica on campus, Touchdown Jesus, the grotto, and many of the main student events have an element of religion sprinkled in. This might make some students uncomfortable -- hence the attraction is just not there. Still, it remains a T20 and that is what irks most people here on DCUM.

No, we just find the diversity numbers to be disturbing. ND could do something about that if it chose to. It chooses not to divert funds to recruiting black students.

Or if it wants to focus on Catholic students why doesn't it have more Latino students. It is weird to me that a school that emphasizes it's Catholic identity so much would have so few Latino students. Like ignore diversity for a second -- ND doesn't do a good job of merely representing the *Catholic* community. It's weird.

Catholic Latina mom here. My high stats (fcps grad) kid did not even apply to ND. Our main reason was tuition. We probably would not have qualified for much aid either.

Second reason, although my kids went to k-8 parrochial school, many Latin American Catholics are not super conservative in the religious sense. Most are culturally Catholic, so ND being very focused on their religious identity, was not a draw for my DD.

Third reason: Distance. Most college students in Latin America live at home and commute. Living on campus is not the norm still for US Hispanics. So when comparing percentages of Hispanic students in the US to those enrolled in universities, our numbers will always be lower at “isolated” campuses. In all fairness, my DD lives on campus at an in-state school.

Fourth: North Bend is freaking cold for “my people”. I mean, the word “North” is in the name of the town! Many kids are trying to attend schools in warmer regions anyway.

Thanks for the insight. Seems spot on. But it’s “South Bend.” Not that it makes it any warmer.

Oops! Thanks for the correction.

Also forgot to add…current low Hispanic numbers at ND will continue to make the school less attractive to future applicants. That good old self fulfilling prophecy.

I have never visited the campus, but from what I see in the football stands, the crowd does look very Caucasian, but let’s not forget, many Hispanics do look Caucasian. I’m thinking the few Hispanics that do apply, probably fit the Caucasian look. Those are the ones that are more likely able to afford the tuition. This due to the history of racism and colonialism in Latin America.

Hey, now you are sounding bitter. Are you sure your kid didn't just get outright rejected?

Not bitter at all. My kid did not apply to ND. We fit the “white presenting” Hispanic stereotype, but I am also aware of the history of Latin America.

I forgot to mention that most US Hispanics have mixed indigenous / African / European backgrounds, and probably have not seen many students at ND that look like them if they toured the campus. They would rather attend a school where they felt more students like them.

By the way, my DD is at UVA and enjoying minute of it.

Right, cause that's all you could afford. Nothing wrong with that! My kid also got into UVA but chose ND. Money is no object for us.

I’m not pp. You are an insufferable snob. How would you know what she could afford??? By the way, my very high stats kid is at UVA (Echols) not because it’s all we can afford, rather our kid’s choice. We are full pay and money is no object for us too. Big deal.

Bravo PP. They are insufferable, especially as Notre Dame is $85k a year. Not a good look!

Both are insufferable. Congrats, full pay at second tier schools.

UVA is and has always been a public ivy!

Wahoowa!

UVA is way too big to be a public ivy. It may be called that by some, but it is nothing at all like an ivy. Mine was so turned off by the tour, to much chaos on the weekend, almost all freshman and sophomore classes above 200, many more are 500-800. No way. DC only applied to ivies and similar sized privates, and William and Mary. The quintessential "public ivy" is William and Mary. It is very similar in vibe to ivies, just mildly less selective: it has the quirky intellectuals and the social types, no huge sports/tailgate vibes, smaller parties yet still fun, and hundreds of clubs for a relatively small undergrad population--just like ivies. Sadly USNWR does not include seminar style classes and fac-student ratios as part of their analysis, so WM fell again. Based on overall quality it is a T30.

OMG. I was nodding along with your assessment of UVA not being a "public Ivy" - who even uses that term anymore? But then you started bleating the usual nonsense about W&M being a "public Ivy." NO. Just no. W&M is not similar to an Ivy in any way. Please stop trying to make fetch happen. "Mildly less selective"?
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Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

A Catholic school in Indiana isn’t a huge draw for POC? Shocking!!

ahem. Using the same argument, there should be only 18% Catholics at ND because Indiana is only 18% Catholic.

No, when doing this analysis the experts compare to the national percentage of blacks, which is 14%. Hence, Harvard's black population is 14%. So it is at the other top schools. How do they achieve this? By offering generous merit and financial aid packages. Clearly, ND isn't vested in increasing diversity for the sake of its own student body by trying to increase the number if black students, Catholic or not.

4% of US Catholics are black. This lines up with the percent of blacks at Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a religious school and has different institutional priorities than secular universities.

Agree. ND is well known for its religious priorities and the students it attracts. Why anyone would expect different percentages of ND is ludicrous. Move on folks.

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I am the one who posted that haters complain each year saying ND doesn't belong in T20. The fact of the matter is that ND will continue to focus it's priorities on its Catholic identity. This means there will be less appeal to the general non-Catholic public and limits its ability to attract people of more diversity. Despite ND's dedication to its strong Catholic identity, it manages to say on top of the rankings, likely because it makes up for this limitation with other very strong characteristics, like it's great academics, beautiful campus, strong athletics, and welcoming community. People here saying that other Catholic institutions manage to have more diversity, keep in mind that those schools are not as blatant about its religious affiliation. Specifically, ND has chapels in all of it's residence halls, a very active basilica on campus, Touchdown Jesus, the grotto, and many of the main student events have an element of religion sprinkled in. This might make some students uncomfortable -- hence the attraction is just not there. Still, it remains a T20 and that is what irks most people here on DCUM.

No, we just find the diversity numbers to be disturbing. ND could do something about that if it chose to. It chooses not to divert funds to recruiting black students.

Or if it wants to focus on Catholic students why doesn't it have more Latino students. It is weird to me that a school that emphasizes it's Catholic identity so much would have so few Latino students. Like ignore diversity for a second -- ND doesn't do a good job of merely representing the *Catholic* community. It's weird.

Catholic Latina mom here. My high stats (fcps grad) kid did not even apply to ND. Our main reason was tuition. We probably would not have qualified for much aid either.

Second reason, although my kids went to k-8 parrochial school, many Latin American Catholics are not super conservative in the religious sense. Most are culturally Catholic, so ND being very focused on their religious identity, was not a draw for my DD.

Third reason: Distance. Most college students in Latin America live at home and commute. Living on campus is not the norm still for US Hispanics. So when comparing percentages of Hispanic students in the US to those enrolled in universities, our numbers will always be lower at “isolated” campuses. In all fairness, my DD lives on campus at an in-state school.

Fourth: North Bend is freaking cold for “my people”. I mean, the word “North” is in the name of the town! Many kids are trying to attend schools in warmer regions anyway.

Thanks for the insight. Seems spot on. But it’s “South Bend.” Not that it makes it any warmer.

Oops! Thanks for the correction.

Also forgot to add…current low Hispanic numbers at ND will continue to make the school less attractive to future applicants. That good old self fulfilling prophecy.

I have never visited the campus, but from what I see in the football stands, the crowd does look very Caucasian, but let’s not forget, many Hispanics do look Caucasian. I’m thinking the few Hispanics that do apply, probably fit the Caucasian look. Those are the ones that are more likely able to afford the tuition. This due to the history of racism and colonialism in Latin America.

Hey, now you are sounding bitter. Are you sure your kid didn't just get outright rejected?

Not bitter at all. My kid did not apply to ND. We fit the “white presenting” Hispanic stereotype, but I am also aware of the history of Latin America.

I forgot to mention that most US Hispanics have mixed indigenous / African / European backgrounds, and probably have not seen many students at ND that look like them if they toured the campus. They would rather attend a school where they felt more students like them.

By the way, my DD is at UVA and enjoying minute of it.

Right, cause that's all you could afford. Nothing wrong with that! My kid also got into UVA but chose ND. Money is no object for us.

I’m not pp. You are an insufferable snob. How would you know what she could afford??? By the way, my very high stats kid is at UVA (Echols) not because it’s all we can afford, rather our kid’s choice. We are full pay and money is no object for us too. Big deal.

Bravo PP. They are insufferable, especially as Notre Dame is $85k a year. Not a good look!

Both are insufferable. Congrats, full pay at second tier schools.

UVA is and has always been a public ivy!

Wahoowa!

UVA is way too big to be a public ivy. It may be called that by some, but it is nothing at all like an ivy. Mine was so turned off by the tour, to much chaos on the weekend, almost all freshman and sophomore classes above 200, many more are 500-800. No way. DC only applied to ivies and similar sized privates, and William and Mary. The quintessential "public ivy" is William and Mary. It is very similar in vibe to ivies, just mildly less selective: it has the quirky intellectuals and the social types, no huge sports/tailgate vibes, smaller parties yet still fun, and hundreds of clubs for a relatively small undergrad population--just like ivies. Sadly USNWR does not include seminar style classes and fac-student ratios as part of their analysis, so WM fell again. Based on overall quality it is a T30.

OMG. I was nodding along with your assessment of UVA not being a "public Ivy" - who even uses that term anymore? But then you started bleating the usual nonsense about W&M being a "public Ivy." NO. Just no. W&M is not similar to an Ivy in any way. Please stop trying to make fetch happen. "Mildly less selective"?
DP

Not PP. Not excusing them but it's an actual term since 1985. It's in wikipedia. College counselors do use the term.

And UVA isn't "way too big". It's relatively small at 17k undergraduates when compared to other state flagships like UCLA, Berkeley, Michigan, etc

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Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

The football and basketball teams.

Oh get over yourselves. ND is heavily Catholic, and there are not many black Catholics. BTW, your beloved UVA is only a few percentage points more black at 7% even though it is a state school in a state that is certainly much more black than that.

You are an idiot. And not a good
Catholic/Christian. UVA is public. ND is private with an enormous endowment that boosters on here brag about - it can throw millions at its diversity problem but chooses not to.

UVA is public. It is relatively small for a flagship and has very limited resources. It has become so selective that it can pick the very best black applicants both in-state and OOS. And why us that not a problem? Because the commonwealth has 30+ other public schools (including the community college guaranteed transfer program) to see to the needs of all Virginians. My DS attended GMU which is the most diverse university in the state with black attendance at 11.4%

And by the way any statistician or anyone in Higher Ed can tell you you cannot compare black percentages of college applicants to overall state demographics for the same reason you can't with hispanic population numbers in CS.

Notre Dame can do much better!

Just to inform you... you realize UVA has a 14 billion endowment right? Not exactly chump change.

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Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

A Catholic school in Indiana isn’t a huge draw for POC? Shocking!!

ahem. Using the same argument, there should be only 18% Catholics at ND because Indiana is only 18% Catholic.

No, when doing this analysis the experts compare to the national percentage of blacks, which is 14%. Hence, Harvard's black population is 14%. So it is at the other top schools. How do they achieve this? By offering generous merit and financial aid packages. Clearly, ND isn't vested in increasing diversity for the sake of its own student body by trying to increase the number if black students, Catholic or not.

4% of US Catholics are black. This lines up with the percent of blacks at Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a religious school and has different institutional priorities than secular universities.

Agree. ND is well known for its religious priorities and the students it attracts. Why anyone would expect different percentages of ND is ludicrous. Move on folks.

+100

I am the one who posted that haters complain each year saying ND doesn't belong in T20. The fact of the matter is that ND will continue to focus it's priorities on its Catholic identity. This means there will be less appeal to the general non-Catholic public and limits its ability to attract people of more diversity. Despite ND's dedication to its strong Catholic identity, it manages to say on top of the rankings, likely because it makes up for this limitation with other very strong characteristics, like it's great academics, beautiful campus, strong athletics, and welcoming community. People here saying that other Catholic institutions manage to have more diversity, keep in mind that those schools are not as blatant about its religious affiliation. Specifically, ND has chapels in all of it's residence halls, a very active basilica on campus, Touchdown Jesus, the grotto, and many of the main student events have an element of religion sprinkled in. This might make some students uncomfortable -- hence the attraction is just not there. Still, it remains a T20 and that is what irks most people here on DCUM.

No, we just find the diversity numbers to be disturbing. ND could do something about that if it chose to. It chooses not to divert funds to recruiting black students.

Or if it wants to focus on Catholic students why doesn't it have more Latino students. It is weird to me that a school that emphasizes it's Catholic identity so much would have so few Latino students. Like ignore diversity for a second -- ND doesn't do a good job of merely representing the *Catholic* community. It's weird.

Catholic Latina mom here. My high stats (fcps grad) kid did not even apply to ND. Our main reason was tuition. We probably would not have qualified for much aid either.

Second reason, although my kids went to k-8 parrochial school, many Latin American Catholics are not super conservative in the religious sense. Most are culturally Catholic, so ND being very focused on their religious identity, was not a draw for my DD.

Third reason: Distance. Most college students in Latin America live at home and commute. Living on campus is not the norm still for US Hispanics. So when comparing percentages of Hispanic students in the US to those enrolled in universities, our numbers will always be lower at “isolated” campuses. In all fairness, my DD lives on campus at an in-state school.

Fourth: North Bend is freaking cold for “my people”. I mean, the word “North” is in the name of the town! Many kids are trying to attend schools in warmer regions anyway.

Thanks for the insight. Seems spot on. But it’s “South Bend.” Not that it makes it any warmer.

Oops! Thanks for the correction.

Also forgot to add…current low Hispanic numbers at ND will continue to make the school less attractive to future applicants. That good old self fulfilling prophecy.

I have never visited the campus, but from what I see in the football stands, the crowd does look very Caucasian, but let’s not forget, many Hispanics do look Caucasian. I’m thinking the few Hispanics that do apply, probably fit the Caucasian look. Those are the ones that are more likely able to afford the tuition. This due to the history of racism and colonialism in Latin America.

Hey, now you are sounding bitter. Are you sure your kid didn't just get outright rejected?

Not bitter at all. My kid did not apply to ND. We fit the “white presenting” Hispanic stereotype, but I am also aware of the history of Latin America.

I forgot to mention that most US Hispanics have mixed indigenous / African / European backgrounds, and probably have not seen many students at ND that look like them if they toured the campus. They would rather attend a school where they felt more students like them.

By the way, my DD is at UVA and enjoying minute of it.

Right, cause that's all you could afford. Nothing wrong with that! My kid also got into UVA but chose ND. Money is no object for us.

I’m not pp. You are an insufferable snob. How would you know what she could afford??? By the way, my very high stats kid is at UVA (Echols) not because it’s all we can afford, rather our kid’s choice. We are full pay and money is no object for us too. Big deal.

Bravo PP. They are insufferable, especially as Notre Dame is $85k a year. Not a good look!

Both are insufferable. Congrats, full pay at second tier schools.

UVA is and has always been a public ivy!

Wahoowa!

UVA is way too big to be a public ivy. It may be called that by some, but it is nothing at all like an ivy. Mine was so turned off by the tour, to much chaos on the weekend, almost all freshman and sophomore classes above 200, many more are 500-800. No way. DC only applied to ivies and similar sized privates, and William and Mary. The quintessential "public ivy" is William and Mary. It is very similar in vibe to ivies, just mildly less selective: it has the quirky intellectuals and the social types, no huge sports/tailgate vibes, smaller parties yet still fun, and hundreds of clubs for a relatively small undergrad population--just like ivies. Sadly USNWR does not include seminar style classes and fac-student ratios as part of their analysis, so WM fell again. Based on overall quality it is a T30.

OMG. I was nodding along with your assessment of UVA not being a "public Ivy" - who even uses that term anymore? But then you started bleating the usual nonsense about W&M being a "public Ivy." NO. Just no. W&M is not similar to an Ivy in any way. Please stop trying to make fetch happen. "Mildly less selective"?
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Not PP. Not excusing them but it's an actual term since 1985. It's in wikipedia. College counselors do use the term.

And UVA isn't "way too big". It's relatively small at 17k undergraduates when compared to other state flagships like UCLA, Berkeley, Michigan, etc

PP here. Of course I know it WAS an actual term in the 1980s. However, no one has used it seriously for decades. It makes the user look seriously silly.

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Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

A Catholic school in Indiana isn’t a huge draw for POC? Shocking!!

ahem. Using the same argument, there should be only 18% Catholics at ND because Indiana is only 18% Catholic.

No, when doing this analysis the experts compare to the national percentage of blacks, which is 14%. Hence, Harvard's black population is 14%. So it is at the other top schools. How do they achieve this? By offering generous merit and financial aid packages. Clearly, ND isn't vested in increasing diversity for the sake of its own student body by trying to increase the number if black students, Catholic or not.

4% of US Catholics are black. This lines up with the percent of blacks at Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a religious school and has different institutional priorities than secular universities.

Agree. ND is well known for its religious priorities and the students it attracts. Why anyone would expect different percentages of ND is ludicrous. Move on folks.

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I am the one who posted that haters complain each year saying ND doesn't belong in T20. The fact of the matter is that ND will continue to focus it's priorities on its Catholic identity. This means there will be less appeal to the general non-Catholic public and limits its ability to attract people of more diversity. Despite ND's dedication to its strong Catholic identity, it manages to say on top of the rankings, likely because it makes up for this limitation with other very strong characteristics, like it's great academics, beautiful campus, strong athletics, and welcoming community. People here saying that other Catholic institutions manage to have more diversity, keep in mind that those schools are not as blatant about its religious affiliation. Specifically, ND has chapels in all of it's residence halls, a very active basilica on campus, Touchdown Jesus, the grotto, and many of the main student events have an element of religion sprinkled in. This might make some students uncomfortable -- hence the attraction is just not there. Still, it remains a T20 and that is what irks most people here on DCUM.

No, we just find the diversity numbers to be disturbing. ND could do something about that if it chose to. It chooses not to divert funds to recruiting black students.

Or if it wants to focus on Catholic students why doesn't it have more Latino students. It is weird to me that a school that emphasizes it's Catholic identity so much would have so few Latino students. Like ignore diversity for a second -- ND doesn't do a good job of merely representing the *Catholic* community. It's weird.

Catholic Latina mom here. My high stats (fcps grad) kid did not even apply to ND. Our main reason was tuition. We probably would not have qualified for much aid either.

Second reason, although my kids went to k-8 parrochial school, many Latin American Catholics are not super conservative in the religious sense. Most are culturally Catholic, so ND being very focused on their religious identity, was not a draw for my DD.

Third reason: Distance. Most college students in Latin America live at home and commute. Living on campus is not the norm still for US Hispanics. So when comparing percentages of Hispanic students in the US to those enrolled in universities, our numbers will always be lower at “isolated” campuses. In all fairness, my DD lives on campus at an in-state school.

Fourth: North Bend is freaking cold for “my people”. I mean, the word “North” is in the name of the town! Many kids are trying to attend schools in warmer regions anyway.

Thanks for the insight. Seems spot on. But it’s “South Bend.” Not that it makes it any warmer.

Oops! Thanks for the correction.

Also forgot to add…current low Hispanic numbers at ND will continue to make the school less attractive to future applicants. That good old self fulfilling prophecy.

I have never visited the campus, but from what I see in the football stands, the crowd does look very Caucasian, but let’s not forget, many Hispanics do look Caucasian. I’m thinking the few Hispanics that do apply, probably fit the Caucasian look. Those are the ones that are more likely able to afford the tuition. This due to the history of racism and colonialism in Latin America.

Hey, now you are sounding bitter. Are you sure your kid didn't just get outright rejected?

Not bitter at all. My kid did not apply to ND. We fit the “white presenting” Hispanic stereotype, but I am also aware of the history of Latin America.

I forgot to mention that most US Hispanics have mixed indigenous / African / European backgrounds, and probably have not seen many students at ND that look like them if they toured the campus. They would rather attend a school where they felt more students like them.

By the way, my DD is at UVA and enjoying minute of it.

Right, cause that's all you could afford. Nothing wrong with that! My kid also got into UVA but chose ND. Money is no object for us.

I’m not pp. You are an insufferable snob. How would you know what she could afford??? By the way, my very high stats kid is at UVA (Echols) not because it’s all we can afford, rather our kid’s choice. We are full pay and money is no object for us too. Big deal.

Bravo PP. They are insufferable, especially as Notre Dame is $85k a year. Not a good look!

Both are insufferable. Congrats, full pay at second tier schools.

UVA is and has always been a public ivy!

Wahoowa!

UVA is way too big to be a public ivy. It may be called that by some, but it is nothing at all like an ivy. Mine was so turned off by the tour, to much chaos on the weekend, almost all freshman and sophomore classes above 200, many more are 500-800. No way. DC only applied to ivies and similar sized privates, and William and Mary. The quintessential "public ivy" is William and Mary. It is very similar in vibe to ivies, just mildly less selective: it has the quirky intellectuals and the social types, no huge sports/tailgate vibes, smaller parties yet still fun, and hundreds of clubs for a relatively small undergrad population--just like ivies. Sadly USNWR does not include seminar style classes and fac-student ratios as part of their analysis, so WM fell again. Based on overall quality it is a T30.

OMG. I was nodding along with your assessment of UVA not being a "public Ivy" - who even uses that term anymore? But then you started bleating the usual nonsense about W&M being a "public Ivy." NO. Just no. W&M is not similar to an Ivy in any way. Please stop trying to make fetch happen. "Mildly less selective"?
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Not PP. Not excusing them but it's an actual term since 1985. It's in wikipedia. College counselors do use the term.

And UVA isn't "way too big". It's relatively small at 17k undergraduates when compared to other state flagships like UCLA, Berkeley, Michigan, etc

PP here. Of course I know it WAS an actual term in the 1980s. However, no one has used it seriously for decades. It makes the user look seriously silly.

All the college counselors still use it.. for uva and wm...and many others...

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Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

The football and basketball teams.

Oh get over yourselves. ND is heavily Catholic, and there are not many black Catholics. BTW, your beloved UVA is only a few percentage points more black at 7% even though it is a state school in a state that is certainly much more black than that.

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Catholic/Christian. UVA is public. ND is private with an enormous endowment that boosters on here brag about - it can throw millions at its diversity problem but chooses not to.

UVA is public. It is relatively small for a flagship and has very limited resources. It has become so selective that it can pick the very best black applicants both in-state and OOS. And why us that not a problem? Because the commonwealth has 30+ other public schools (including the community college guaranteed transfer program) to see to the needs of all Virginians. My DS attended GMU which is the most diverse university in the state with black attendance at 11.4%

And by the way any statistician or anyone in Higher Ed can tell you you cannot compare black percentages of college applicants to overall state demographics for the same reason you can't with hispanic population numbers in CS.

Notre Dame can do much better!

Just to inform you... you realize UVA has a 14 billion endowment right? Not exactly chump change.

Let me "inform you". The Commonwealth decided to start budget reductions to UVA in 2008. UVA decided at that point to spin off towards privatization (see Teresa Sullivan's tenure) to the low point where, today, the total Commmonwealth contribution is only six percent.

What happened? The UVA endowment officers secured amazing returns. UVA's endowment as a shot up under privitisation from less than six million to ten million. The governor and the legislatiure tried to retrieve its power over UVA to regain control. and they failed,

When my DD entered UVA in 2016 everyone knew this. By then UVA's endowment had doubled under privitazation from a low of $6m,

In 2021, UVA endowment officers secured a gain of 41.%. The Commonwealth is still trying to regain control if UVA's wildly successful tide.

Meanwhile, to contrast PP's ignorant post, Harvard's endowment is $6.9 billion. and if you to confine analysis to publics, , UCLA is ay 3.87 billiion. Berkeley is $7.8 billion. And U of Michigan is a whopping $17.9 billion.

And jerks like you are sitting on Notre Dame's $18.9 billion dolllars and pointing fingers at UVA's endowment at $15m. What is wrong with you? Shame on you! Where is Christian giving i. all of this!! Call ND and ask them to throw money at diversity candidates

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Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

A Catholic school in Indiana isn’t a huge draw for POC? Shocking!!

ahem. Using the same argument, there should be only 18% Catholics at ND because Indiana is only 18% Catholic.

No, when doing this analysis the experts compare to the national percentage of blacks, which is 14%. Hence, Harvard's black population is 14%. So it is at the other top schools. How do they achieve this? By offering generous merit and financial aid packages. Clearly, ND isn't vested in increasing diversity for the sake of its own student body by trying to increase the number if black students, Catholic or not.

4% of US Catholics are black. This lines up with the percent of blacks at Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a religious school and has different institutional priorities than secular universities.

Agree. ND is well known for its religious priorities and the students it attracts. Why anyone would expect different percentages of ND is ludicrous. Move on folks.

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I am the one who posted that haters complain each year saying ND doesn't belong in T20. The fact of the matter is that ND will continue to focus it's priorities on its Catholic identity. This means there will be less appeal to the general non-Catholic public and limits its ability to attract people of more diversity. Despite ND's dedication to its strong Catholic identity, it manages to say on top of the rankings, likely because it makes up for this limitation with other very strong characteristics, like it's great academics, beautiful campus, strong athletics, and welcoming community. People here saying that other Catholic institutions manage to have more diversity, keep in mind that those schools are not as blatant about its religious affiliation. Specifically, ND has chapels in all of it's residence halls, a very active basilica on campus, Touchdown Jesus, the grotto, and many of the main student events have an element of religion sprinkled in. This might make some students uncomfortable -- hence the attraction is just not there. Still, it remains a T20 and that is what irks most people here on DCUM.

No, we just find the diversity numbers to be disturbing. ND could do something about that if it chose to. It chooses not to divert funds to recruiting black students.

Or if it wants to focus on Catholic students why doesn't it have more Latino students. It is weird to me that a school that emphasizes it's Catholic identity so much would have so few Latino students. Like ignore diversity for a second -- ND doesn't do a good job of merely representing the *Catholic* community. It's weird.

Catholic Latina mom here. My high stats (fcps grad) kid did not even apply to ND. Our main reason was tuition. We probably would not have qualified for much aid either.

Second reason, although my kids went to k-8 parrochial school, many Latin American Catholics are not super conservative in the religious sense. Most are culturally Catholic, so ND being very focused on their religious identity, was not a draw for my DD.

Third reason: Distance. Most college students in Latin America live at home and commute. Living on campus is not the norm still for US Hispanics. So when comparing percentages of Hispanic students in the US to those enrolled in universities, our numbers will always be lower at “isolated” campuses. In all fairness, my DD lives on campus at an in-state school.

Fourth: North Bend is freaking cold for “my people”. I mean, the word “North” is in the name of the town! Many kids are trying to attend schools in warmer regions anyway.

Thanks for the insight. Seems spot on. But it’s “South Bend.” Not that it makes it any warmer.

Oops! Thanks for the correction.

Also forgot to add…current low Hispanic numbers at ND will continue to make the school less attractive to future applicants. That good old self fulfilling prophecy.

I have never visited the campus, but from what I see in the football stands, the crowd does look very Caucasian, but let’s not forget, many Hispanics do look Caucasian. I’m thinking the few Hispanics that do apply, probably fit the Caucasian look. Those are the ones that are more likely able to afford the tuition. This due to the history of racism and colonialism in Latin America.

Hey, now you are sounding bitter. Are you sure your kid didn't just get outright rejected?

Not bitter at all. My kid did not apply to ND. We fit the “white presenting” Hispanic stereotype, but I am also aware of the history of Latin America.

I forgot to mention that most US Hispanics have mixed indigenous / African / European backgrounds, and probably have not seen many students at ND that look like them if they toured the campus. They would rather attend a school where they felt more students like them.

By the way, my DD is at UVA and enjoying minute of it.

Right, cause that's all you could afford. Nothing wrong with that! My kid also got into UVA but chose ND. Money is no object for us.

I’m not pp. You are an insufferable snob. How would you know what she could afford??? By the way, my very high stats kid is at UVA (Echols) not because it’s all we can afford, rather our kid’s choice. We are full pay and money is no object for us too. Big deal.

Bravo PP. They are insufferable, especially as Notre Dame is $85k a year. Not a good look!

Both are insufferable. Congrats, full pay at second tier schools.

UVA is and has always been a public ivy!

Wahoowa!

UVA is way too big to be a public ivy. It may be called that by some, but it is nothing at all like an ivy. Mine was so turned off by the tour, to much chaos on the weekend, almost all freshman and sophomore classes above 200, many more are 500-800. No way. DC only applied to ivies and similar sized privates, and William and Mary. The quintessential "public ivy" is William and Mary. It is very similar in vibe to ivies, just mildly less selective: it has the quirky intellectuals and the social types, no huge sports/tailgate vibes, smaller parties yet still fun, and hundreds of clubs for a relatively small undergrad population--just like ivies. Sadly USNWR does not include seminar style classes and fac-student ratios as part of their analysis, so WM fell again. Based on overall quality it is a T30.

OMG. I was nodding along with your assessment of UVA not being a "public Ivy" - who even uses that term anymore? But then you started bleating the usual nonsense about W&M being a "public Ivy." NO. Just no. W&M is not similar to an Ivy in any way. Please stop trying to make fetch happen. "Mildly less selective"?
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Not PP. Not excusing them but it's an actual term since 1985. It's in wikipedia. College counselors do use the term.

And UVA isn't "way too big". It's relatively small at 17k undergraduates when compared to other state flagships like UCLA, Berkeley, Michigan, etc

PP here. Of course I know it WAS an actual term in the 1980s. However, no one has used it seriously for decades. It makes the user look seriously silly.

I am a college counselor. You are looking stupid

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Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

A Catholic school in Indiana isn’t a huge draw for POC? Shocking!!

ahem. Using the same argument, there should be only 18% Catholics at ND because Indiana is only 18% Catholic.

No, when doing this analysis the experts compare to the national percentage of blacks, which is 14%. Hence, Harvard's black population is 14%. So it is at the other top schools. How do they achieve this? By offering generous merit and financial aid packages. Clearly, ND isn't vested in increasing diversity for the sake of its own student body by trying to increase the number if black students, Catholic or not.

4% of US Catholics are black. This lines up with the percent of blacks at Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a religious school and has different institutional priorities than secular universities.

Agree. ND is well known for its religious priorities and the students it attracts. Why anyone would expect different percentages of ND is ludicrous. Move on folks.

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I am the one who posted that haters complain each year saying ND doesn't belong in T20. The fact of the matter is that ND will continue to focus it's priorities on its Catholic identity. This means there will be less appeal to the general non-Catholic public and limits its ability to attract people of more diversity. Despite ND's dedication to its strong Catholic identity, it manages to say on top of the rankings, likely because it makes up for this limitation with other very strong characteristics, like it's great academics, beautiful campus, strong athletics, and welcoming community. People here saying that other Catholic institutions manage to have more diversity, keep in mind that those schools are not as blatant about its religious affiliation. Specifically, ND has chapels in all of it's residence halls, a very active basilica on campus, Touchdown Jesus, the grotto, and many of the main student events have an element of religion sprinkled in. This might make some students uncomfortable -- hence the attraction is just not there. Still, it remains a T20 and that is what irks most people here on DCUM.

No, we just find the diversity numbers to be disturbing. ND could do something about that if it chose to. It chooses not to divert funds to recruiting black students.

Or if it wants to focus on Catholic students why doesn't it have more Latino students. It is weird to me that a school that emphasizes it's Catholic identity so much would have so few Latino students. Like ignore diversity for a second -- ND doesn't do a good job of merely representing the *Catholic* community. It's weird.

Catholic Latina mom here. My high stats (fcps grad) kid did not even apply to ND. Our main reason was tuition. We probably would not have qualified for much aid either.

Second reason, although my kids went to k-8 parrochial school, many Latin American Catholics are not super conservative in the religious sense. Most are culturally Catholic, so ND being very focused on their religious identity, was not a draw for my DD.

Third reason: Distance. Most college students in Latin America live at home and commute. Living on campus is not the norm still for US Hispanics. So when comparing percentages of Hispanic students in the US to those enrolled in universities, our numbers will always be lower at “isolated” campuses. In all fairness, my DD lives on campus at an in-state school.

Fourth: North Bend is freaking cold for “my people”. I mean, the word “North” is in the name of the town! Many kids are trying to attend schools in warmer regions anyway.

Thanks for the insight. Seems spot on. But it’s “South Bend.” Not that it makes it any warmer.

Oops! Thanks for the correction.

Also forgot to add…current low Hispanic numbers at ND will continue to make the school less attractive to future applicants. That good old self fulfilling prophecy.

I have never visited the campus, but from what I see in the football stands, the crowd does look very Caucasian, but let’s not forget, many Hispanics do look Caucasian. I’m thinking the few Hispanics that do apply, probably fit the Caucasian look. Those are the ones that are more likely able to afford the tuition. This due to the history of racism and colonialism in Latin America.

Hey, now you are sounding bitter. Are you sure your kid didn't just get outright rejected?

Not bitter at all. My kid did not apply to ND. We fit the “white presenting” Hispanic stereotype, but I am also aware of the history of Latin America.

I forgot to mention that most US Hispanics have mixed indigenous / African / European backgrounds, and probably have not seen many students at ND that look like them if they toured the campus. They would rather attend a school where they felt more students like them.

By the way, my DD is at UVA and enjoying minute of it.

Right, cause that's all you could afford. Nothing wrong with that! My kid also got into UVA but chose ND. Money is no object for us.

I’m not pp. You are an insufferable snob. How would you know what she could afford??? By the way, my very high stats kid is at UVA (Echols) not because it’s all we can afford, rather our kid’s choice. We are full pay and money is no object for us too. Big deal.

Bravo PP. They are insufferable, especially as Notre Dame is $85k a year. Not a good look!

Both are insufferable. Congrats, full pay at second tier schools.

UVA is and has always been a public ivy!

Wahoowa!

UVA is way too big to be a public ivy. It may be called that by some, but it is nothing at all like an ivy. Mine was so turned off by the tour, to much chaos on the weekend, almost all freshman and sophomore classes above 200, many more are 500-800. No way. DC only applied to ivies and similar sized privates, and William and Mary. The quintessential "public ivy" is William and Mary. It is very similar in vibe to ivies, just mildly less selective: it has the quirky intellectuals and the social types, no huge sports/tailgate vibes, smaller parties yet still fun, and hundreds of clubs for a relatively small undergrad population--just like ivies. Sadly USNWR does not include seminar style classes and fac-student ratios as part of their analysis, so WM fell again. Based on overall quality it is a T30.

“mildly less selective” - what are you smoking?

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Harvard’s endowment is well above 6.9 billion…closer to 50+ billion

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Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

The football and basketball teams.

Oh get over yourselves. ND is heavily Catholic, and there are not many black Catholics. BTW, your beloved UVA is only a few percentage points more black at 7% even though it is a state school in a state that is certainly much more black than that.

You are an idiot. And not a good
Catholic/Christian. UVA is public. ND is private with an enormous endowment that boosters on here brag about - it can throw millions at its diversity problem but chooses not to.

UVA is public. It is relatively small for a flagship and has very limited resources. It has become so selective that it can pick the very best black applicants both in-state and OOS. And why us that not a problem? Because the commonwealth has 30+ other public schools (including the community college guaranteed transfer program) to see to the needs of all Virginians. My DS attended GMU which is the most diverse university in the state with black attendance at 11.4%

And by the way any statistician or anyone in Higher Ed can tell you you cannot compare black percentages of college applicants to overall state demographics for the same reason you can't with hispanic population numbers in CS.

Notre Dame can do much better!

Just to inform you... you realize UVA has a 14 billion endowment right? Not exactly chump change.

Well... the UVA per capita endowment is, effectively, chump change.

UVA is $388,000 per student, which is awesome for a state school.

Princeton is $4.1 million per student.

There is no comparison with UVA and the good private universities.

Even the SLACs - Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Swarthmore, Grinnell - are rolling with 4 times what UVA is spending per student.

And the endowments of Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Rice, Duke, CalTech, Notre Dame, Brown, Penn, Yale, Dartmouth, Juilliard, Olin, and Wellesley are at a different level.

But UVA is really good for a state school.

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Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

The football and basketball teams.

Oh get over yourselves. ND is heavily Catholic, and there are not many black Catholics. BTW, your beloved UVA is only a few percentage points more black at 7% even though it is a state school in a state that is certainly much more black than that.

You are an idiot. And not a good
Catholic/Christian. UVA is public. ND is private with an enormous endowment that boosters on here brag about - it can throw millions at its diversity problem but chooses not to.

UVA is public. It is relatively small for a flagship and has very limited resources. It has become so selective that it can pick the very best black applicants both in-state and OOS. And why us that not a problem? Because the commonwealth has 30+ other public schools (including the community college guaranteed transfer program) to see to the needs of all Virginians. My DS attended GMU which is the most diverse university in the state with black attendance at 11.4%

And by the way any statistician or anyone in Higher Ed can tell you you cannot compare black percentages of college applicants to overall state demographics for the same reason you can't with hispanic population numbers in CS.

Notre Dame can do much better!

Just to inform you... you realize UVA has a 14 billion endowment right? Not exactly chump change.

Its absurd for a private "Christian" university, sitting on an endowment of more than 18.9 billion dollars with such dismal diversity statistics to be pointing fingers at anyone! much less a a state public universiy! What is wrong with you? It's the ultimate christian hypocrisy!

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Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

The football and basketball teams.

Oh get over yourselves. ND is heavily Catholic, and there are not many black Catholics. BTW, your beloved UVA is only a few percentage points more black at 7% even though it is a state school in a state that is certainly much more black than that.

You are an idiot. And not a good
Catholic/Christian. UVA is public. ND is private with an enormous endowment that boosters on here brag about - it can throw millions at its diversity problem but chooses not to.

UVA is public. It is relatively small for a flagship and has very limited resources. It has become so selective that it can pick the very best black applicants both in-state and OOS. And why us that not a problem? Because the commonwealth has 30+ other public schools (including the community college guaranteed transfer program) to see to the needs of all Virginians. My DS attended GMU which is the most diverse university in the state with black attendance at 11.4%

And by the way any statistician or anyone in Higher Ed can tell you you cannot compare black percentages of college applicants to overall state demographics for the same reason you can't with hispanic population numbers in CS.

Notre Dame can do much better!

I think that ND is doing just fine without implementing quotas for black students, most of whom are not Catholic. It is a religious school that gives preference to people who practice that religion. As a private school, that is their right, just as it is the right of Brandeis to have mostly Jewish students and BYU to have mostly Mormon students. Not every school is going to look like the United Nations.