Taylor Swift album Tortured Poets Department leaked early?

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Anonymous wrote:You only find wine moms insulting … if you’re a wine mom.

No im a wine mom and I find it hilarious. I also think look at Taylor FINALLY having her adolescent angst come through trying to gain independence from her traps. You only find it insulting if you are a wine mom with no sense of humor.

Her adolescent angst has been coming through since she was 16. But now she is 34. Maybe time to move on from adolescent angst.

She knows that her fame has stunted her: she says in multiple of her songs she has never grown up.

“Sometimes growing up precocious means you never grow up at all”
“I never grew up, it’s getting so old”

In Miss Americana she says that people say fame means you freeze at the age you got famous and she thinks that might be true for her. She’s aware that she’s somewhat trapped in a path of irregular development; a lot of her more introspective songs are about how the cage of fame did that to her.

I don't think its just fame that has stunted her- I am convinced that she is neuro diverse- whether ADHD or something else. Her level of output/hyperfocus is super interesting and she's found a way to use it to her advantage. But also (and saying this as someone who really likes her), she seems a little emotionally immature and falls hard and fast (seems manic at times) while also having a super brilliant mind- a common sign of neuro diversity. I am not saying any of this in a negative way at all, her mind is something to be studied!

I agree with you she is definitely neurodivergent in some way but I also do think she’s right that the level of fame she has and has had for almost all of her formative years has shaped her and entrapped her / limited her life experience in some ways.

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Anonymous wrote:^ And to add, this isn't only in the world of music. The most successful actors / movies aren't necessarily the most talented actors out there either. Nor are the most successful people the best and most talented either.

Taylor, Kardashians, Jerry Seinfeld, Elon Musk, Drake. Lots of ways to have great career success without being all that talented.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote one of the most successful sitcoms of all time. It was innovative and unique. Yes, he is talented, as is Taylor.

Seinfeld wasn’t popular until it was squeezed between Friends and ER. It was first on Tuesday night, then Wednesday and finally Thursday. I see Friends is on all day on TBS, The Big Bang at night and Friends on Nik at night. I barely see Seinfeld anywhere. Seinfeld is a clear example of being at the right place, the right time for success. It really isn’t that funny.

Omg. I wonder what it must be like to be an average, normal person who feels like they definitely have the knowledge and authority in all these different aspects of talent and skill to shit on every successful person based on all these little loopholes they’ve concocted. You’re just a regular talentless hack like the rest of us but you are convinced you are uniquely qualified to declare every talented person untalented and unworthy of the acclaim they have. Lmao

I’m gonna rate this response as an “Automatic Classic”. Great on so many levels. Well done, pp.

[Anonymous]

Social media has clearly led to the overidentification of the general public with celebrities, and a loss of distance or a buffer of some kind. People now think they know someone better than that person knows themselves.

It is quite scary. I was on a subreddit board for a reality tv show and the posters on that sub were quite terrifying. The people on the show aren't even celebrities and the show is very over storylined, produced, edited, spliced etc, and yet posters were having breakdowns in their personal lives over what they perceived to be happening and wanting to contact producers to have them help the cast they had decided were victims. They also were calling and harrassing cast members places of work and sending tons of hateful emails and messages to their workplaces and family members. Even when the liked members of the cast tried to tell them to stop and that it hadn't happened as they perceived, the posters were insistent that they were right and that they knew these people and what each one was really like and who needed to be brought down.

Crazed fans have been happening for a long time. I remember when the British boy band Take That disbanded in 1996, the government had to set up a crisis hotline for counselling support as so many fans were threatening to kill themselves. Social media has just made it ten times worse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You only find wine moms insulting … if you’re a wine mom.

No im a wine mom and I find it hilarious. I also think look at Taylor FINALLY having her adolescent angst come through trying to gain independence from her traps. You only find it insulting if you are a wine mom with no sense of humor.

Her adolescent angst has been coming through since she was 16. But now she is 34. Maybe time to move on from adolescent angst.

She knows that her fame has stunted her: she says in multiple of her songs she has never grown up.

“Sometimes growing up precocious means you never grow up at all”
“I never grew up, it’s getting so old”

In Miss Americana she says that people say fame means you freeze at the age you got famous and she thinks that might be true for her. She’s aware that she’s somewhat trapped in a path of irregular development; a lot of her more introspective songs are about how the cage of fame did that to her.

I don't think its just fame that has stunted her- I am convinced that she is neuro diverse- whether ADHD or something else. Her level of output/hyperfocus is super interesting and she's found a way to use it to her advantage. But also (and saying this as someone who really likes her), she seems a little emotionally immature and falls hard and fast (seems manic at times) while also having a super brilliant mind- a common sign of neuro diversity. I am not saying any of this in a negative way at all, her mind is something to be studied!

I agree with you she is definitely neurodivergent in some way but I also do think she’s right that the level of fame she has and has had for almost all of her formative years has shaped her and entrapped her / limited her life experience in some ways.

This could go a lot more sideways than it has. Look at Justin Bieber or Britney.

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Anonymous wrote:Social media has clearly led to the overidentification of the general public with celebrities, and a loss of distance or a buffer of some kind. People now think they know someone better than that person knows themselves.

It is quite scary. I was on a subreddit board for a reality tv show and the posters on that sub were quite terrifying. The people on the show aren't even celebrities and the show is very over storylined, produced, edited, spliced etc, and yet posters were having breakdowns in their personal lives over what they perceived to be happening and wanting to contact producers to have them help the cast they had decided were victims. They also were calling and harrassing cast members places of work and sending tons of hateful emails and messages to their workplaces and family members. Even when the liked members of the cast tried to tell them to stop and that it hadn't happened as they perceived, the posters were insistent that they were right and that they knew these people and what each one was really like and who needed to be brought down.

Crazed fans have been happening for a long time. I remember when the British boy band Take That disbanded in 1996, the government had to set up a crisis hotline for counselling support as so many fans were threatening to kill themselves. Social media has just made it ten times worse.

Fans were hyperventilating and passing out for the Beatles and Elvis long before 1996.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Social media has clearly led to the overidentification of the general public with celebrities, and a loss of distance or a buffer of some kind. People now think they know someone better than that person knows themselves.

It is quite scary. I was on a subreddit board for a reality tv show and the posters on that sub were quite terrifying. The people on the show aren't even celebrities and the show is very over storylined, produced, edited, spliced etc, and yet posters were having breakdowns in their personal lives over what they perceived to be happening and wanting to contact producers to have them help the cast they had decided were victims. They also were calling and harrassing cast members places of work and sending tons of hateful emails and messages to their workplaces and family members. Even when the liked members of the cast tried to tell them to stop and that it hadn't happened as they perceived, the posters were insistent that they were right and that they knew these people and what each one was really like and who needed to be brought down.

Crazed fans have been happening for a long time. I remember when the British boy band Take That disbanded in 1996, the government had to set up a crisis hotline for counselling support as so many fans were threatening to kill themselves. Social media has just made it ten times worse.

Fans were hyperventilating and passing out for the Beatles and Elvis long before 1996.

There have been lots of articles about how fandom has spread and changed post Beatles. Just look at Trump as an example of this.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait until the term parasocial is no longer a word everyone wants to use. I’m so sick of new trend words - gaslighting, toxic, etc.

So are you saying the phenomenon doesn’t exist or would you give it a different term?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Social media has clearly led to the overidentification of the general public with celebrities, and a loss of distance or a buffer of some kind. People now think they know someone better than that person knows themselves.

It is quite scary. I was on a subreddit board for a reality tv show and the posters on that sub were quite terrifying. The people on the show aren't even celebrities and the show is very over storylined, produced, edited, spliced etc, and yet posters were having breakdowns in their personal lives over what they perceived to be happening and wanting to contact producers to have them help the cast they had decided were victims. They also were calling and harrassing cast members places of work and sending tons of hateful emails and messages to their workplaces and family members. Even when the liked members of the cast tried to tell them to stop and that it hadn't happened as they perceived, the posters were insistent that they were right and that they knew these people and what each one was really like and who needed to be brought down.

Crazed fans have been happening for a long time. I remember when the British boy band Take That disbanded in 1996, the government had to set up a crisis hotline for counselling support as so many fans were threatening to kill themselves. Social media has just made it ten times worse.

Fans were hyperventilating and passing out for the Beatles and Elvis long before 1996.

There have been lots of articles about how fandom has spread and changed post Beatles. Just look at Trump as an example of this.

It's not just fandom people are more mentally ill than ever before in every way.

[Anonymous]

It’s a “new” word because social media created a need for it. It’s a recent phenomenon that social media created. Doesn’t mean it’s fake.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Social media has clearly led to the overidentification of the general public with celebrities, and a loss of distance or a buffer of some kind. People now think they know someone better than that person knows themselves.

It is quite scary. I was on a subreddit board for a reality tv show and the posters on that sub were quite terrifying. The people on the show aren't even celebrities and the show is very over storylined, produced, edited, spliced etc, and yet posters were having breakdowns in their personal lives over what they perceived to be happening and wanting to contact producers to have them help the cast they had decided were victims. They also were calling and harrassing cast members places of work and sending tons of hateful emails and messages to their workplaces and family members. Even when the liked members of the cast tried to tell them to stop and that it hadn't happened as they perceived, the posters were insistent that they were right and that they knew these people and what each one was really like and who needed to be brought down.

Crazed fans have been happening for a long time. I remember when the British boy band Take That disbanded in 1996, the government had to set up a crisis hotline for counselling support as so many fans were threatening to kill themselves. Social media has just made it ten times worse.

Fans were hyperventilating and passing out for the Beatles and Elvis long before 1996.

I know but social media has allowed these crazed fans to easily find each other and band together and campaign or target or attack en masse whomever they wish. Social media and its confirmation bias algorithm also leads to people getting worked up into a frenzy and seeing others who feel the same way makes them think their perspective must be true and justified.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ And to add, this isn't only in the world of music. The most successful actors / movies aren't necessarily the most talented actors out there either. Nor are the most successful people the best and most talented either.

Taylor, Kardashians, Jerry Seinfeld, Elon Musk, Drake. Lots of ways to have great career success without being all that talented.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote one of the most successful sitcoms of all time. It was innovative and unique. Yes, he is talented, as is Taylor.

Seinfeld wasn’t popular until it was squeezed between Friends and ER. It was first on Tuesday night, then Wednesday and finally Thursday. I see Friends is on all day on TBS, The Big Bang at night and Friends on Nik at night. I barely see Seinfeld anywhere. Seinfeld is a clear example of being at the right place, the right time for success. It really isn’t that funny.

Omg. I wonder what it must be like to be an average, normal person who feels like they definitely have the knowledge and authority in all these different aspects of talent and skill to shit on every successful person based on all these little loopholes they’ve concocted. You’re just a regular talentless hack like the rest of us but you are convinced you are uniquely qualified to declare every talented person untalented and unworthy of the acclaim they have. Lmao

OMG! I wonder what it must be like to be below average, not normal person who thinks it’s the same poster talking about untalented people.

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Anonymous wrote:So, if you're an over 30 year singer/songwriter what should you sing about? Taxes? Mean boss? Kids? Parents who won't babysit said kids or provide financial help? Inflation? Really, what is acceptable?

She can write songs without including verbiage identifying one of her ex’s or specific people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You only find wine moms insulting … if you’re a wine mom.

No im a wine mom and I find it hilarious. I also think look at Taylor FINALLY having her adolescent angst come through trying to gain independence from her traps. You only find it insulting if you are a wine mom with no sense of humor.

Her adolescent angst has been coming through since she was 16. But now she is 34. Maybe time to move on from adolescent angst.

She knows that her fame has stunted her: she says in multiple of her songs she has never grown up.

“Sometimes growing up precocious means you never grow up at all”
“I never grew up, it’s getting so old”

In Miss Americana she says that people say fame means you freeze at the age you got famous and she thinks that might be true for her. She’s aware that she’s somewhat trapped in a path of irregular development; a lot of her more introspective songs are about how the cage of fame did that to her.

I don't think its just fame that has stunted her- I am convinced that she is neuro diverse- whether ADHD or something else. Her level of output/hyperfocus is super interesting and she's found a way to use it to her advantage. But also (and saying this as someone who really likes her), she seems a little emotionally immature and falls hard and fast (seems manic at times) while also having a super brilliant mind- a common sign of neuro diversity. I am not saying any of this in a negative way at all, her mind is something to be studied!

I agree with you she is definitely neurodivergent in some way but I also do think she’s right that the level of fame she has and has had for almost all of her formative years has shaped her and entrapped her / limited her life experience in some ways.

This could go a lot more sideways than it has. Look at Justin Bieber or Britney.

She could have manic depression and when in that phase can’t stop writing. She does put out a lot of albums and very quickly. It takes Adele 7 years to do a break up album. And she is also a great songwriter.

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Adele is great. But she is low energy. She’s not trying to put out a double album every year.
And I’m sure she’s happier for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Social media has clearly led to the overidentification of the general public with celebrities, and a loss of distance or a buffer of some kind. People now think they know someone better than that person knows themselves.

It is quite scary. I was on a subreddit board for a reality tv show and the posters on that sub were quite terrifying. The people on the show aren't even celebrities and the show is very over storylined, produced, edited, spliced etc, and yet posters were having breakdowns in their personal lives over what they perceived to be happening and wanting to contact producers to have them help the cast they had decided were victims. They also were calling and harrassing cast members places of work and sending tons of hateful emails and messages to their workplaces and family members. Even when the liked members of the cast tried to tell them to stop and that it hadn't happened as they perceived, the posters were insistent that they were right and that they knew these people and what each one was really like and who needed to be brought down.

Crazed fans have been happening for a long time. I remember when the British boy band Take That disbanded in 1996, the government had to set up a crisis hotline for counselling support as so many fans were threatening to kill themselves. Social media has just made it ten times worse.

Fans were hyperventilating and passing out for the Beatles and Elvis long before 1996.

I know but social media has allowed these crazed fans to easily find each other and band together and campaign or target or attack en masse whomever they wish. Social media and its confirmation bias algorithm also leads to people getting worked up into a frenzy and seeing others who feel the same way makes them think their perspective must be true and justified.

Can you imagine how difficult it is for Taylor to find a BF? If her fans don’t like him, they attack. And it could affect their career not to mention their mental state. I’m sure that’s why MH was only a fortnight.