Field hockey clubs feedback

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Anonymous wrote:According to nova extreme’s Instagram, they won their pools at Winter Escape (January) and Shooting Star College Connection Showcase (April) plus some recent indoor tournaments. So before the Freedom/NL crowd start complaining about pool placement, winning is winning. And a winning club usually means good coaching and good players.

The pool matters if you want your kid to be on a better team. If you just want your kid to play and be happy it doesn’t.

It is not that simple. If you are shooting for UNC, Penn State, etc. pool -MAY- matter. Especially if you don't have supportive coaches/teams. But, if you're good, and even if not in a top pool with a top team, you can still go to a top D1. ESPECIALLY if you have gone far at Nexus. Or if you are a favored player who is promoted by the club. This has happened a few times at our club over the last couple of years (and no, I'm not saying which but it is one of the ones not recommended here).

Otherwise, our experience is that yes, winning is winning.

I’m not talking about college. I’m talking about what the pool says about the level of the club. Lower pools equal lower level clubs.

Meh. BFD. You play for the big clubs in the high tiers if you want to play in college. People commute for hours to play with WC and the like. The don’t do that for fun.

But you don’t need that to play in college. Though it makes it easier.

People…let us not fool ourselves that any of these clubs, big or small, make a big difference in athletic recruiting. Look at most of the D1 rosters and they are filled with players from the UK, Netherlands, and Canada. The big clubs might give your DD an edge but overall will not have much of an impact for athletic recruiting if that is your goal.

Another completely uninformed opionion. Look at the final four, the vast majority of player were US players. That is fact. And these are the club teams they primarily came from: West Chester Eagles (who we all know of as WC), Spirit of USA, Freedom, AGH, Texas Pride. Then a spattering from Windy City, and some other PA teams. No Warhawks, no Metro (well, one player at UVA, who didn't get in any games went from Metro to Freedom), no NL, definintely no Nova Extreme or Husel. I don't know why you all think playing for a top 5 club team doesn't matter for recruiting when it's actually pretty much all that matters.

I’m sorry your DD didn’t get recruited into a top 4 D1 school. There are plenty of other good D1 options and D3 (NESCAC, ODAC, etc.) schools that give great financial/merit aid to their student athletes. Don’t give up - if your DD’s dream is to play college field hockey, it is an attainable goal. Not everybody can get recruited to play at UNC, Duke, Maryland, Louisville, etc.

Was this meant to respond to a different poster? I was correcting the poster that in fact club FH does matter for recruiting and that top US clubs have many many more players playing for D1 programs than Netherlands and UK (and definitely more than Canada. Canada?). My DD was recruited and plays D1 at a top school and played for one of the clubs described in this thread frequently.

Yes, Canada. The proof is in the pudding. Take a look at the rosters of multiple D1 programs… not just the school your DD attended.

Among the top 10 rosters in the NCAA (UNC, UVA, UMD, Duke, Louisville, Harvard, Northwestern, Liberty, Iowa, Rutgers) there is one player from Canada. And she was a fifth year who didn't play. Why do you insist on defending your ill-informed statements? There's your proof.

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Anonymous wrote:According to nova extreme’s Instagram, they won their pools at Winter Escape (January) and Shooting Star College Connection Showcase (April) plus some recent indoor tournaments. So before the Freedom/NL crowd start complaining about pool placement, winning is winning. And a winning club usually means good coaching and good players.[/quote

Extreme has one of the top high school players in the COUNTRY on their roster

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Anonymous wrote:According to nova extreme’s Instagram, they won their pools at Winter Escape (January) and Shooting Star College Connection Showcase (April) plus some recent indoor tournaments. So before the Freedom/NL crowd start complaining about pool placement, winning is winning. And a winning club usually means good coaching and good players.[/quote

Extreme has one of the top high school players in the COUNTRY on their roster

Yes, they have a talented player. A lot of clubs have at least one player who has made it to JO or National team, or at the very least Nexus Championship. One player does not make a team, let alone a club.

No one would place NOVA Extreme above Freedom or Warhawks, or many of the other clubs in the area. This goes back to the type of club/experience you are looking for.

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Anonymous wrote:According to nova extreme’s Instagram, they won their pools at Winter Escape (January) and Shooting Star College Connection Showcase (April) plus some recent indoor tournaments. So before the Freedom/NL crowd start complaining about pool placement, winning is winning. And a winning club usually means good coaching and good players.[/quote

Extreme has one of the top high school players in the COUNTRY on their roster

Yes, they have a talented player. A lot of clubs have at least one player who has made it to JO or National team, or at the very least Nexus Championship. One player does not make a team, let alone a club.

No one would place NOVA Extreme above Freedom or Warhawks, or many of the other clubs in the area. This goes back to the type of club/experience you are looking for.

True except they are winning a lot recently. It takes whole team- not just one player to win! And for a young northern Virginia team they are on the rise. Obviously. Freedom/Warhawks posters feel free to disagree. Not everybody can travel to Maryland though.

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Anonymous wrote:According to nova extreme’s Instagram, they won their pools at Winter Escape (January) and Shooting Star College Connection Showcase (April) plus some recent indoor tournaments. So before the Freedom/NL crowd start complaining about pool placement, winning is winning. And a winning club usually means good coaching and good players.

Extreme has one of the top high school players in the COUNTRY on their roster

Yes, they have a talented player. A lot of clubs have at least one player who has made it to JO or National team, or at the very least Nexus Championship. One player does not make a team, let alone a club.

No one would place NOVA Extreme above Freedom or Warhawks, or many of the other clubs in the area. This goes back to the type of club/experience you are looking for.

True except they are winning a lot recently. It takes whole team- not just one player to win! And for a young northern Virginia team they are on the rise. Obviously. Freedom/Warhawks posters feel free to disagree. Not everybody can travel to Maryland though.

Extreme mom, we know you want your kid to get recruited. To do that from this club, she will need to go to Nexus and get to the Championship and at least into the JO round in order to be seen. Players from the known clubs don't have to do all that to get coaches to look at them. That is the difference. Extreme may have one "top" player. Freedom will have anywhere from 5 to 8 in a class who are in the top 50, and 1 or 2 every year playing on the national teams. If your kid isn't that one kid on Extreme, then it really doesn't matter.

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A Hammers player recently committed to Bryn Mawr. Congratulations to her and her family!

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Anonymous wrote:A Hammers player recently committed to Bryn Mawr. Congratulations to her and her family!

A program on the rise with an excellent coach. He’s doing a ton of recruiting.

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Do most players on club teams care about college recruiting? I don’t get the sense that it’s the majority of club team players or parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most players on club teams care about college recruiting? I don’t get the sense that it’s the majority of club team players or parents.

It is on ours. Most are interested in playing at the next level.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most players on club teams care about college recruiting? I don’t get the sense that it’s the majority of club team players or parents.

If you continue to play at u16 and u19, most of the mid tier to top clubs are focused on college recruiting even though the numbers are in the favor of the DMV players. Although there are numerous colleges with field hockey programs, the DMV parents focus on the top USnews T50 and liberal arts T20 for their DD to attend. The overlap between those USNEWS Top 50 are approx 20-25 schools offering FH and LAC T20 are approx 10-11 schools. Each of theses schools recruit approx 5-7 US players per year. So if you take 30 schools with say 6 recruits that gets you 180 athletes in that pool of schools. The DMV gets approximately 12-17 players per year into that school list (mixture of high and mid tier D1 ..ivy league/UMD/BC and D3 FH schools like Hopkins, Williams, Amherst). If you expand beyond those schools and add in T51-100 and LAC T21-50, you have more options since more of those schools offer FH. LAC 21-50, over 90% offer FH and T51-100, about 23 schools offer FH. That’s another 50 schools with 300 spots. DMV gets approx 5-8 spots in the T51-100 (higher ranked FH teams like Syracuse) and 15 spots in LAC (mixture of highly ranked FH D3 NESCACS like Middlebury and lower tier NESCAC like Trinity and lower tiered FH programs of non-NESCAC like Oberlin).

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Anonymous wrote:Do most players on club teams care about college recruiting? I don’t get the sense that it’s the majority of club team players or parents.

This is related to the level of the club. High level club, more players interested in playing in college.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most players on club teams care about college recruiting? I don’t get the sense that it’s the majority of club team players or parents.

This is related to the level of the club. High level club, more players interested in playing in college.

I would say that 95% of ALL club players want to play in college despite the level of the club. A good example is the Hammers! They have just as many commits if not more than Metro. They may be mostly D3 commits and not D1, but the players are still good enough to get committed and play at the next level. (Please no negative responses from Freedom posters.)

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Anonymous wrote:A Hammers player recently committed to Bryn Mawr. Congratulations to her and her family!

A program on the rise with an excellent coach. He’s doing a ton of recruiting.

Everybody loves Victor. He attends events and does follow-up like no other college recruiter. He does a great job of making a case for Bryn Mawr. But, unfortunately, even he can't get top players to want to go to such a progressive women's school and that team isn't really on the rise. It's a great school and a wonderful program though.

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Anonymous wrote:A Hammers player recently committed to Bryn Mawr. Congratulations to her and her family!

A program on the rise with an excellent coach. He’s doing a ton of recruiting.

Everybody loves Victor. He attends events and does follow-up like no other college recruiter. He does a great job of making a case for Bryn Mawr. But, unfortunately, even he can't get top players to want to go to such a progressive women's school and that team isn't really on the rise. It's a great school and a wonderful program though.

If he can't recruit b/c of what you say, it's because people are simply buying your silly narrative. It's a women's school but there are men in classes. And the women can attend classes (incl major classes), activities, and events at Haverford, Swat, and Penn. It provides an amazing experience on a lot of levels. They have done really well the last couple of years athletically and I expect them to continue that trend.

Luckily, people are starting to and can look beyond the talking points of "progressive women's school."

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Anonymous wrote:A Hammers player recently committed to Bryn Mawr. Congratulations to her and her family!

A program on the rise with an excellent coach. He’s doing a ton of recruiting.

Everybody loves Victor. He attends events and does follow-up like no other college recruiter. He does a great job of making a case for Bryn Mawr. But, unfortunately, even he can't get top players to want to go to such a progressive women's school and that team isn't really on the rise. It's a great school and a wonderful program though.

If he can't recruit b/c of what you say, it's because people are simply buying your silly narrative. It's a women's school but there are men in classes. And the women can attend classes (incl major classes), activities, and events at Haverford, Swat, and Penn. It provides an amazing experience on a lot of levels. They have done really well the last couple of years athletically and I expect them to continue that trend.

Luckily, people are starting to and can look beyond the talking points of "progressive women's school."

^^^ great response to the backhanded compliment! You knew someone out there was gonna spin their negativity about a positive post.