Received an email that DS teacher quit Friday.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers who don't want to teach should quit. Bitter, burnt-out teachers are terrible for children, both academically and emotionally. I'd rather have fewer good teachers than have my child stuck with a dud.


Your kid won’t HAVE a teacher, fool, or they’ll be in a “class” of 60 kids.

You people don’t live in reality.


That's better than a bad teacher. It really is.


Every teacher becomes a "bad" teacher under these conditions.


It will put the kibosh on 90 minutes of small group instruction + centers/stations. That's not necessarily a bad thing, for the teacher or for the students.
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Anonymous wrote:This is a good conversation about what is expected of teachers.

We have people expecting teachers, despite low pay and contract employment, to stay in a job until the end of the year and only look for new employment during a 2 month window of time in the year. Is that an expectation you set for yourself?

The pandemic showed us that people don't consider teachers to be professionals. Instead, they consider them doormats. They second-guess everything teachers do and say, and the governor has created tip sheets so that people can tattle on them. They blame them for the pandemic, and blame them for making policy decisions that are way above their pay grade (virtual learning) They consider teachers to be glorified babysitters who should martyr themselves, their own health, and the health of their families (they are parents, too) so that other parents can go to work or work out at the gym.

If you are going to treat teachers this way, expect them to leave. And if they do, you have no one to blame but yourselves. Do not set expectations of them that equal those of doctors, as someone in this thread has.



Here's the thing. I'm an attorney who works in state government. My annual pay is lower that a teacher with the same years of experience, and I don't get all of the breaks that teachers get during the school year. My professional responsibilities to my clients do not change based on how much money I make. I'm either a professional or I'm not. I might have months of leave, but I am not free to use it at times when it would injury my clients. None of this is to say that some teachers don't have good reasons for absences or quitting, but that doesn't mean some don't take advantage or that their inability to fulfill their job duties doesn't have a detrimental impact on students. Which is it? Are teachers professionals who deserve to be paid much more? Or are they workers whose only obligation is to fulfill the terms of their contracts as best they can, taking every hour of leave available to them, leaving mid-year if necessary, while at the same time working in a system that punishes kids for their late work and missed assignments in order to teach students about the "real world"?


+1. Amen. Most of us would face repercussions if we quit without finishing the work our client expected. Kids are the client of the teacher. Quitting 6 weeks before the end of the year with no substitute in place is unprofessional and uncaring.


Nope. You’re delusional.

At. Will. Employment.


You mean "entitlement" and "thinking you're special because you're a teacher and the rules don't apply to you"


What “rules?” There are no “rules.” Are you 8 years old?



She might need to fill in a think sheet..
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Anonymous wrote:This is a good conversation about what is expected of teachers.

We have people expecting teachers, despite low pay and contract employment, to stay in a job until the end of the year and only look for new employment during a 2 month window of time in the year. Is that an expectation you set for yourself?

The pandemic showed us that people don't consider teachers to be professionals. Instead, they consider them doormats. They second-guess everything teachers do and say, and the governor has created tip sheets so that people can tattle on them. They blame them for the pandemic, and blame them for making policy decisions that are way above their pay grade (virtual learning) They consider teachers to be glorified babysitters who should martyr themselves, their own health, and the health of their families (they are parents, too) so that other parents can go to work or work out at the gym.

If you are going to treat teachers this way, expect them to leave. And if they do, you have no one to blame but yourselves. Do not set expectations of them that equal those of doctors, as someone in this thread has.



Here's the thing. I'm an attorney who works in state government. My annual pay is lower that a teacher with the same years of experience, and I don't get all of the breaks that teachers get during the school year. My professional responsibilities to my clients do not change based on how much money I make. I'm either a professional or I'm not. I might have months of leave, but I am not free to use it at times when it would injury my clients. None of this is to say that some teachers don't have good reasons for absences or quitting, but that doesn't mean some don't take advantage or that their inability to fulfill their job duties doesn't have a detrimental impact on students. Which is it? Are teachers professionals who deserve to be paid much more? Or are they workers whose only obligation is to fulfill the terms of their contracts as best they can, taking every hour of leave available to them, leaving mid-year if necessary, while at the same time working in a system that punishes kids for their late work and missed assignments in order to teach students about the "real world"?


+1. Amen. Most of us would face repercussions if we quit without finishing the work our client expected. Kids are the client of the teacher. Quitting 6 weeks before the end of the year with no substitute in place is unprofessional and uncaring.


Nope. You’re delusional.

At. Will. Employment.


You mean "entitlement" and "thinking you're special because you're a teacher and the rules don't apply to you"


What “rules?” There are no “rules.” Are you 8 years old?



She might need to fill in a think sheet..



What rule did you break?

I quit my job before June ....
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She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.


Honestly, this is probably accurate.


I wouldn't blame her.


Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.


Why should she wait six weeks? Teachers don't get paid for the summer. So her leaving now for a better job means a better financial future long-term. OP doesn't like it I'm sure she knows were the sub sign-up forms are. It won't even be that long, just six weeks.


Wow, the disrespect towards teachers just doesn't stop.


DP: Why is this disrespect? Teachers are supposed to give up better financial offers just because you think they should conform to your idea of professionalism? They owe it to their students? The same teachers who routinely get pink slips every spring and often don't know if/where they are going to work the next year until mid-summer? The same teachers who have been putting up with a ton of crap from so many angles the past few years? Putting teachers on a pedestal who will suffer through anything--give up their own and their family's well-being-- for their students is not "respect" it's an unreasonable expectation. To couch it as 'respect' is just extra gaslighting. These and many other unreasonable demands are what is gutting the teacher profession. Sure, I'd prefer a teacher--or any worker-- not quit without notice but I can totally understand why someone would if they are at the breaking point. And only hr and the teacher know the actual situation, not OP. But if we don't course correct on demands on teachers, the issue is not whether you'll have the same teacher for the next month or so, but whether you'll have any at all next year.


Spare us your union BS. Unprofessional behavior is unprofessional behavior in any field.


Live in denial of the growing teacher shortage then.


Devaluing professionalism will surely solve the problem!


People in the private sector job hop ALL the time. You get an offer for more pay, better benefits, you take it because the offer doesn’t lash forever. Teaching is the ONLY job where we assign some moral failure to leaving it. I’m a teacher and I enjoy it but let’s be clear, this is my job. Just like your job is your job. It is not my life. The job does not love me back. If I die tomorrow, they will list my position, fill it, and move on. My number one priority ALWAYS is my family and my own health. As it should be for everyone.


I'll add to that vets, docs, and nurses -- all of which are professions experiencing record burnout right now, after a pandemic which placed more burden on them as helping professionals and yet which so many others felt fine about dumping their frustrations and anger on.


No we don't. People expect vets, docs and nurses to move on if they get a better offer elsewhere. No one expects an PA to stick with a job where there is another job down the road offering more money or better working conditions
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She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.


Honestly, this is probably accurate.


I wouldn't blame her.


Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.


Why should she wait six weeks? Teachers don't get paid for the summer. So her leaving now for a better job means a better financial future long-term. OP doesn't like it I'm sure she knows were the sub sign-up forms are. It won't even be that long, just six weeks.


Wow, the disrespect towards teachers just doesn't stop.


DP: Why is this disrespect? Teachers are supposed to give up better financial offers just because you think they should conform to your idea of professionalism? They owe it to their students? The same teachers who routinely get pink slips every spring and often don't know if/where they are going to work the next year until mid-summer? The same teachers who have been putting up with a ton of crap from so many angles the past few years? Putting teachers on a pedestal who will suffer through anything--give up their own and their family's well-being-- for their students is not "respect" it's an unreasonable expectation. To couch it as 'respect' is just extra gaslighting. These and many other unreasonable demands are what is gutting the teacher profession. Sure, I'd prefer a teacher--or any worker-- not quit without notice but I can totally understand why someone would if they are at the breaking point. And only hr and the teacher know the actual situation, not OP. But if we don't course correct on demands on teachers, the issue is not whether you'll have the same teacher for the next month or so, but whether you'll have any at all next year.


Spare us your union BS. Unprofessional behavior is unprofessional behavior in any field.


Live in denial of the growing teacher shortage then.


Devaluing professionalism will surely solve the problem!


People in the private sector job hop ALL the time. You get an offer for more pay, better benefits, you take it because the offer doesn’t lash forever. Teaching is the ONLY job where we assign some moral failure to leaving it. I’m a teacher and I enjoy it but let’s be clear, this is my job. Just like your job is your job. It is not my life. The job does not love me back. If I die tomorrow, they will list my position, fill it, and move on. My number one priority ALWAYS is my family and my own health. As it should be for everyone.


I'll add to that vets, docs, and nurses -- all of which are professions experiencing record burnout right now, after a pandemic which placed more burden on them as helping professionals and yet which so many others felt fine about dumping their frustrations and anger on.


No we don't. People expect vets, docs and nurses to move on if they get a better offer elsewhere. No one expects an PA to stick with a job where there is another job down the road offering more money or better working conditions


PAs, vets, lawyers, and other professionals may not abandon existing responsibilities (ongoing care of patients, pending litigation, etc.) without alternative arrangements. Lawyers need permission to withdraw from cases. Medical professionals, including veterinarians, can't abandon patients with ongoing medical conditions needing management without allowing their patients or clients a reasonable opportunity to obtain other care. Doing otherwise would violate the standard of care, which can result in an action against the professional license. In these discussions, there is a distinction between leaving a job to make more money and the circumstances when a professional's obligation to existing patients or clients can be abandoned. People are arguing that students' needs play no role in discussions about teacher departures, which is in contrast to other these other professions.
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She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.


Honestly, this is probably accurate.


I wouldn't blame her.


Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.


Why should she wait six weeks? Teachers don't get paid for the summer. So her leaving now for a better job means a better financial future long-term. OP doesn't like it I'm sure she knows were the sub sign-up forms are. It won't even be that long, just six weeks.


Wow, the disrespect towards teachers just doesn't stop.


DP: Why is this disrespect? Teachers are supposed to give up better financial offers just because you think they should conform to your idea of professionalism? They owe it to their students? The same teachers who routinely get pink slips every spring and often don't know if/where they are going to work the next year until mid-summer? The same teachers who have been putting up with a ton of crap from so many angles the past few years? Putting teachers on a pedestal who will suffer through anything--give up their own and their family's well-being-- for their students is not "respect" it's an unreasonable expectation. To couch it as 'respect' is just extra gaslighting. These and many other unreasonable demands are what is gutting the teacher profession. Sure, I'd prefer a teacher--or any worker-- not quit without notice but I can totally understand why someone would if they are at the breaking point. And only hr and the teacher know the actual situation, not OP. But if we don't course correct on demands on teachers, the issue is not whether you'll have the same teacher for the next month or so, but whether you'll have any at all next year.


Spare us your union BS. Unprofessional behavior is unprofessional behavior in any field.


Live in denial of the growing teacher shortage then.


Devaluing professionalism will surely solve the problem!


People in the private sector job hop ALL the time. You get an offer for more pay, better benefits, you take it because the offer doesn’t lash forever. Teaching is the ONLY job where we assign some moral failure to leaving it. I’m a teacher and I enjoy it but let’s be clear, this is my job. Just like your job is your job. It is not my life. The job does not love me back. If I die tomorrow, they will list my position, fill it, and move on. My number one priority ALWAYS is my family and my own health. As it should be for everyone.


I'll add to that vets, docs, and nurses -- all of which are professions experiencing record burnout right now, after a pandemic which placed more burden on them as helping professionals and yet which so many others felt fine about dumping their frustrations and anger on.


No we don't. People expect vets, docs and nurses to move on if they get a better offer elsewhere. No one expects an PA to stick with a job where there is another job down the road offering more money or better working conditions


PAs, vets, lawyers, and other professionals may not abandon existing responsibilities (ongoing care of patients, pending litigation, etc.) without alternative arrangements. Lawyers need permission to withdraw from cases. Medical professionals, including veterinarians, can't abandon patients with ongoing medical conditions needing management without allowing their patients or clients a reasonable opportunity to obtain other care. Doing otherwise would violate the standard of care, which can result in an action against the professional license. In these discussions, there is a distinction between leaving a job to make more money and the circumstances when a professional's obligation to existing patients or clients can be abandoned. People are arguing that students' needs play no role in discussions about teacher departures, which is in contrast to other these other professions.


Students and parents aren't teachers clients or employers. Yes, schools are required to put your child somewhere, get an adult in the room, but the teacher isn't hired by you or your student so is not required. Schools ARE providing replacement situations--your kid isn't locked out of the school with nowhere to go--you just aren't happy that they have to.
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I think parents can help by being engaged in their kids education. I think a higher percentage of parents are checked out of what is happening at school and blames any issues with school on the Teachers and fails to look at what they are doing, or not doing, and how that effects their kids education.

Too many parents are uninvolved with their kids education. They turn everything over to the school and their kids Teachers. They only get involved when the kid is failing or getting a D and then they are upset with the school/Teachers and not asking what the kid had done to earn that grade. We saw that last year as parents were bemoaning distance learning, which sucked, and were openly discussing that they didn't care if their kid was logged on. What was the point? The Teachers were in jammies and phoning it in so why should their kid log on or do the assigned work? This ignored the fact that most Teachers were not in jammies and had worked hard to translate in class learning material to virtual learning, which is a totally different skill set. And the fact that Teachers did not have the same methods available to them to encourage a kid to complete work.


I agree this is the primary issue, and contrary to popular belief, neglect from parents happens far too often in high-SES schools. Parents wrongly assume it's a fantastic school due to rankings/ratings and that no further effort is required on their part. Then they have grievances when their child isn't turning out to be a 9/10 student at a 9/10 school.
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She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.


Honestly, this is probably accurate.


I wouldn't blame her.


Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.


No one here has any idea what is happening with this teacher in her personal life.


They shouldn't quit. people were not quitting their jobs like this 3 years ago. Biden needs to banned this and do something to stop people from quitting. MY DD English teacher quit last month, she said quit and ain't coming back. It's a sad day in America. November can't come soon enough, I will be voting and something will be done to stop the labor shortage.


You can't force labor. People aren't slaves. That is a route to have zero teachers available to teach in the fall.


The ones who quit midyear won't be working this fall anyway. Maybe you need to rethink your route.


Yes, but forcing people into contracts they can't quit deters the already dwindling supply of teachers to not take on a new contract.


No, it doesn't. All teacher contracts require a 9 month commitment. There's nothing onerous or bad about that. It doesn't deter anyone.


There is not a clause in it that forces you not to quit. In fact, it's them telling you they are committing to you for 9 months and generally teachers are generally professionally agreeing to stay then also. But they can't do more than that like PP wants--forcing people not to quit--without creating a deterrent. If someone is at a breaking point, or needs to move, or wants out of the profession they can quit when they want. It sucks for parents, other teachers, their students, but instilling draconian 'no quit' policies would likely not survive a legal test and make a profession that is struggling to attract people at the worst rate since it's been measured in even worse shape.


You can't force people not to quit. But you can also acknowledge that quitting in the middle of the year is really bad for parents, other teachers, and students. It should not be the norm for a salaried skilled professional and should only happen under dire circumstances. You wonder why kids are detached and anxious. I guess they should recognize that the adults in their lives are only there while it works for them and should feel terrible if they are disappointed when these adults leave without any warning.


Did you not read that I wrote "it sucks for parents, other teachers, their students..." Teaching has long held to this professional norm. Quitting mid-year was exceedingly rare and was long done for only extenuating circumstances. But they've had enough. The mandated policies at the federal level lingering since NCLB have added up, piling up with special education laws with grossly inadequate support. Thrown in your state governor creating a tip line for people to report their teachers, teachers feel like the social contract is broken and they don't have to honor it anymore. I'm not saying we want this for teachers at all. I'm just telling everyone who is still tut-tutting teachers they think are bad that it's a five alarm fire in the profession. I'm not a teacher myself, I track the data in my job and it is STARTLING.



I agree with you. Reading your additional comments, I think we are in complete agreement on the fact that teaching has become an increasingly undesirable profession for a variety of reasons, and the high level of dissatisfaction has created some checked-out and ineffective teachers. The teachers in my life complain more about administrative burdens, impossible workload, and clueless administrators than they do about students and parents. Teachers are burned out, and as a result, the current level of professionalism accepted in teaching does not align with other educated professions. I'm sorry, but it is true. I don't think we are to accomplish the needed reform unless when admit that. My oldest kids are now adults, but I can say that the slide began long before the pandemic and has nothing to do with the tip line (although that's ridiculous). Regular attendance, communication, timely grading, and consistent and respectful treatment of students and parents - all of the components that command respect, are harder to find than ever in public schools. Whether there are good reasons for burnout is beside the point. The decline in professionalism hurts kids, yet we aren't allowed to talk about it because more teachers might leave the profession. It's a vicious cycle. When kids get the bare minimum from some teachers, there's no backup to get them caught up. That's not fair to anyone, but most of all, the kids.


I'm the PP. I don't agree with you that there was a longer history of decline in teacher professionalism. I think despite a lot of demands, they maintained a fairly solid standard of professionalism. In any profession there is a range of course, but I would say on the whole it has been fairly steady for decades. What I am referring to is that teachers are burnt out and feel that the social contract has been broken. Highly skilled, committed and experienced teachers who wanted to be teachers for life, that had teaching as core to their identity are leaving the profession. Less skilled and committed people are also leaving the profession. Far fewer people of any skill level are entering the profession. Some less professional ones are quitting mid-year, but far, far more have either already left or are planning to leave this spring. They don't want to teach in public schools, they don't want to teach in charter schools, they don't want to teach in private or parochial schools. They are done. I think parents have yet to wrap their heads around this reality.


DP. I'm not sure what you think parents can or should be doing about this, besides just laying down and crying. You may blame parents 100% for the current teacher crisis. Okay. Not sure what parents can do to ameliorate it or to improve teacher conditions in the near term. Obama attempted to overturn NCLB with the ESSA but it doesn't seem to have succeeded in improving things. If I contact Richmond, should I ask for less oversight? More SOLs? Fewer SOLs but better written? Relaxing state (and federal) requirements related to sped students? What, exactly?



I think parents can help by being engaged in their kids education. I think a higher percentage of parents are checked out of what is happening at school and blames any issues with school on the Teachers and fails to look at what they are doing, or not doing, and how that effects their kids education.

For example, Distance learning saw a lot of parents complaining that their B/C kid was flunking classes and the parents blamed the Teachers. What many of those parents failed to understand is that their B/C kid was a B/C kid because the Teachers were able to get the kid to produce some work in class that could be graded. The kid learned enough by sitting in class and doing in class assignments to do ok on the tests. Teachers could track a kid down in study hall or at lunch and remind them to turn in an assignment. Many kids were not getting that B/C because the kid was making their best effort but because the Teachers could nag them in person to do their work. Teachers were not able to do that during distance learning and those B/C's turned to F/Ds.

The kids who had been working to earn those B/Cs probably had parents at home making sure that they were doing school work and making some type of effort. Those kids kept their B/Cs during distance learnings.

Too many parents are uninvolved with their kids education. They turn everything over to the school and their kids Teachers. They only get involved when the kid is failing or getting a D and then they are upset with the school/Teachers and not asking what the kid had done to earn that grade. We saw that last year as parents were bemoaning distance learning, which sucked, and were openly discussing that they didn't care if their kid was logged on. What was the point? The Teachers were in jammies and phoning it in so why should their kid log on or do the assigned work? This ignored the fact that most Teachers were not in jammies and had worked hard to translate in class learning material to virtual learning, which is a totally different skill set. And the fact that Teachers did not have the same methods available to them to encourage a kid to complete work.

A good percentage of parents forgot that education relies on team work and that they need to be working with their kid at home as well as communicating with the Teachers. Heck, there is a parent posting in the ES Age forum wondering if she should doing more for her 7 year old who is smart and ahead. But Mom doesn't like to read so she has not read to her kid. And Mom is not interested in asking abut school or talking about school with her kid. Her kid is acting up in class, it is clear the Teachers are contacting her about that, but she doesn't mention anything that she is doing to deal with the kids behavior at school, she seems to be leaving that all to the Teachers. She is missing that her lack of interest in her kids schooling is sending a message to her kid that school isn't important and that the kid can behave how they want in school. What do you think is going to happen in High School?


You make good points, but you should also consider that parental burnout is a real thing. The factors that contribute to teacher burnout - lack of respect, lack of autonomy, low pay or lack of appreciation, excessive workloads, and unfair demands - exist for parents of school-aged children as well. People check out when they are overwhelmed and feel that nothing they do is good enough. Lack of autonomy is a huge factor in burnout, and the reality is that last year's distance learning was completely out of parents' control, from the delivery method to the hours, presenting challenges that weren't fairly acknowledged in public discourse. Yes, we know that teachers help to encourage students to do their best. That's why the majority of parents don't homeschool. Removing the in-person aspect of the teacher-student relationship and then blaming parents for not doing enough to compensate for an extended period of education delivered in a manner they didn't choose or have a voice in developing is unproductive and unfair.
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She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.


Honestly, this is probably accurate.


I wouldn't blame her.


Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.


Why should she wait six weeks? Teachers don't get paid for the summer. So her leaving now for a better job means a better financial future long-term. OP doesn't like it I'm sure she knows were the sub sign-up forms are. It won't even be that long, just six weeks.


Wow, the disrespect towards teachers just doesn't stop.


DP: Why is this disrespect? Teachers are supposed to give up better financial offers just because you think they should conform to your idea of professionalism? They owe it to their students? The same teachers who routinely get pink slips every spring and often don't know if/where they are going to work the next year until mid-summer? The same teachers who have been putting up with a ton of crap from so many angles the past few years? Putting teachers on a pedestal who will suffer through anything--give up their own and their family's well-being-- for their students is not "respect" it's an unreasonable expectation. To couch it as 'respect' is just extra gaslighting. These and many other unreasonable demands are what is gutting the teacher profession. Sure, I'd prefer a teacher--or any worker-- not quit without notice but I can totally understand why someone would if they are at the breaking point. And only hr and the teacher know the actual situation, not OP. But if we don't course correct on demands on teachers, the issue is not whether you'll have the same teacher for the next month or so, but whether you'll have any at all next year.


Spare us your union BS. Unprofessional behavior is unprofessional behavior in any field.


Live in denial of the growing teacher shortage then.


Devaluing professionalism will surely solve the problem!


People in the private sector job hop ALL the time. You get an offer for more pay, better benefits, you take it because the offer doesn’t lash forever. Teaching is the ONLY job where we assign some moral failure to leaving it. I’m a teacher and I enjoy it but let’s be clear, this is my job. Just like your job is your job. It is not my life. The job does not love me back. If I die tomorrow, they will list my position, fill it, and move on. My number one priority ALWAYS is my family and my own health. As it should be for everyone.


I'll add to that vets, docs, and nurses -- all of which are professions experiencing record burnout right now, after a pandemic which placed more burden on them as helping professionals and yet which so many others felt fine about dumping their frustrations and anger on.


No we don't. People expect vets, docs and nurses to move on if they get a better offer elsewhere. No one expects an PA to stick with a job where there is another job down the road offering more money or better working conditions


PAs, vets, lawyers, and other professionals may not abandon existing responsibilities (ongoing care of patients, pending litigation, etc.) without alternative arrangements. Lawyers need permission to withdraw from cases. Medical professionals, including veterinarians, can't abandon patients with ongoing medical conditions needing management without allowing their patients or clients a reasonable opportunity to obtain other care. Doing otherwise would violate the standard of care, which can result in an action against the professional license. In these discussions, there is a distinction between leaving a job to make more money and the circumstances when a professional's obligation to existing patients or clients can be abandoned. People are arguing that students' needs play no role in discussions about teacher departures, which is in contrast to other these other professions.


Students and parents aren't teachers clients or employers. Yes, schools are required to put your child somewhere, get an adult in the room, but the teacher isn't hired by you or your student so is not required. Schools ARE providing replacement situations--your kid isn't locked out of the school with nowhere to go--you just aren't happy that they have to.


You admit it. Students and their families are nothing in the process of education. Teaching is just a job that exists as a relationship between the district employer and teachers. What's best for students and their families is irrelevant, and they should shut up and be satisfied with whatever they are given.
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She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.


Honestly, this is probably accurate.


I wouldn't blame her.


Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.


Why should she wait six weeks? Teachers don't get paid for the summer. So her leaving now for a better job means a better financial future long-term. OP doesn't like it I'm sure she knows were the sub sign-up forms are. It won't even be that long, just six weeks.


Wow, the disrespect towards teachers just doesn't stop.


DP: Why is this disrespect? Teachers are supposed to give up better financial offers just because you think they should conform to your idea of professionalism? They owe it to their students? The same teachers who routinely get pink slips every spring and often don't know if/where they are going to work the next year until mid-summer? The same teachers who have been putting up with a ton of crap from so many angles the past few years? Putting teachers on a pedestal who will suffer through anything--give up their own and their family's well-being-- for their students is not "respect" it's an unreasonable expectation. To couch it as 'respect' is just extra gaslighting. These and many other unreasonable demands are what is gutting the teacher profession. Sure, I'd prefer a teacher--or any worker-- not quit without notice but I can totally understand why someone would if they are at the breaking point. And only hr and the teacher know the actual situation, not OP. But if we don't course correct on demands on teachers, the issue is not whether you'll have the same teacher for the next month or so, but whether you'll have any at all next year.


Spare us your union BS. Unprofessional behavior is unprofessional behavior in any field.


Live in denial of the growing teacher shortage then.


Devaluing professionalism will surely solve the problem!


People in the private sector job hop ALL the time. You get an offer for more pay, better benefits, you take it because the offer doesn’t lash forever. Teaching is the ONLY job where we assign some moral failure to leaving it. I’m a teacher and I enjoy it but let’s be clear, this is my job. Just like your job is your job. It is not my life. The job does not love me back. If I die tomorrow, they will list my position, fill it, and move on. My number one priority ALWAYS is my family and my own health. As it should be for everyone.


I'll add to that vets, docs, and nurses -- all of which are professions experiencing record burnout right now, after a pandemic which placed more burden on them as helping professionals and yet which so many others felt fine about dumping their frustrations and anger on.


No we don't. People expect vets, docs and nurses to move on if they get a better offer elsewhere. No one expects an PA to stick with a job where there is another job down the road offering more money or better working conditions


PAs, vets, lawyers, and other professionals may not abandon existing responsibilities (ongoing care of patients, pending litigation, etc.) without alternative arrangements. Lawyers need permission to withdraw from cases. Medical professionals, including veterinarians, can't abandon patients with ongoing medical conditions needing management without allowing their patients or clients a reasonable opportunity to obtain other care. Doing otherwise would violate the standard of care, which can result in an action against the professional license. In these discussions, there is a distinction between leaving a job to make more money and the circumstances when a professional's obligation to existing patients or clients can be abandoned. People are arguing that students' needs play no role in discussions about teacher departures, which is in contrast to other these other professions.


Students and parents aren't teachers clients or employers. Yes, schools are required to put your child somewhere, get an adult in the room, but the teacher isn't hired by you or your student so is not required. Schools ARE providing replacement situations--your kid isn't locked out of the school with nowhere to go--you just aren't happy that they have to.


You admit it. Students and their families are nothing in the process of education. Teaching is just a job that exists as a relationship between the district employer and teachers. What's best for students and their families is irrelevant, and they should shut up and be satisfied with whatever they are given.


This is what I learned during the pandemic. Parents and students are not stakeholders. Students are customers or clients or really anything at all, to school administration and the school board.
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Anonymous wrote:That sucks, and I'm sorry. There must be something really difficult going on in that teacher's life right to make such a decision.

She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.


Honestly, this is probably accurate.


I wouldn't blame her.


Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.


Why should she wait six weeks? Teachers don't get paid for the summer. So her leaving now for a better job means a better financial future long-term. OP doesn't like it I'm sure she knows were the sub sign-up forms are. It won't even be that long, just six weeks.


Wow, the disrespect towards teachers just doesn't stop.


DP: Why is this disrespect? Teachers are supposed to give up better financial offers just because you think they should conform to your idea of professionalism? They owe it to their students? The same teachers who routinely get pink slips every spring and often don't know if/where they are going to work the next year until mid-summer? The same teachers who have been putting up with a ton of crap from so many angles the past few years? Putting teachers on a pedestal who will suffer through anything--give up their own and their family's well-being-- for their students is not "respect" it's an unreasonable expectation. To couch it as 'respect' is just extra gaslighting. These and many other unreasonable demands are what is gutting the teacher profession. Sure, I'd prefer a teacher--or any worker-- not quit without notice but I can totally understand why someone would if they are at the breaking point. And only hr and the teacher know the actual situation, not OP. But if we don't course correct on demands on teachers, the issue is not whether you'll have the same teacher for the next month or so, but whether you'll have any at all next year.


Spare us your union BS. Unprofessional behavior is unprofessional behavior in any field.


Live in denial of the growing teacher shortage then.


Devaluing professionalism will surely solve the problem!


People in the private sector job hop ALL the time. You get an offer for more pay, better benefits, you take it because the offer doesn’t lash forever. Teaching is the ONLY job where we assign some moral failure to leaving it. I’m a teacher and I enjoy it but let’s be clear, this is my job. Just like your job is your job. It is not my life. The job does not love me back. If I die tomorrow, they will list my position, fill it, and move on. My number one priority ALWAYS is my family and my own health. As it should be for everyone.


I'll add to that vets, docs, and nurses -- all of which are professions experiencing record burnout right now, after a pandemic which placed more burden on them as helping professionals and yet which so many others felt fine about dumping their frustrations and anger on.


No we don't. People expect vets, docs and nurses to move on if they get a better offer elsewhere. No one expects an PA to stick with a job where there is another job down the road offering more money or better working conditions


PAs, vets, lawyers, and other professionals may not abandon existing responsibilities (ongoing care of patients, pending litigation, etc.) without alternative arrangements. Lawyers need permission to withdraw from cases. Medical professionals, including veterinarians, can't abandon patients with ongoing medical conditions needing management without allowing their patients or clients a reasonable opportunity to obtain other care. Doing otherwise would violate the standard of care, which can result in an action against the professional license. In these discussions, there is a distinction between leaving a job to make more money and the circumstances when a professional's obligation to existing patients or clients can be abandoned. People are arguing that students' needs play no role in discussions about teacher departures, which is in contrast to other these other professions.


Students and parents aren't teachers clients or employers. Yes, schools are required to put your child somewhere, get an adult in the room, but the teacher isn't hired by you or your student so is not required. Schools ARE providing replacement situations--your kid isn't locked out of the school with nowhere to go--you just aren't happy that they have to.


You admit it. Students and their families are nothing in the process of education. Teaching is just a job that exists as a relationship between the district employer and teachers. What's best for students and their families is irrelevant, and they should shut up and be satisfied with whatever they are given.


No, just that they are not direct clients of the students or parents like the examples you cited. The responsibility for replacing a teacher falls on the school principal and they take on that responsibility. A kid who has a teacher leave gets another teacher.
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Anonymous wrote:That sucks, and I'm sorry. There must be something really difficult going on in that teacher's life right to make such a decision.

She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.


Honestly, this is probably accurate.


I wouldn't blame her.


Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.


Why should she wait six weeks? Teachers don't get paid for the summer. So her leaving now for a better job means a better financial future long-term. OP doesn't like it I'm sure she knows were the sub sign-up forms are. It won't even be that long, just six weeks.


Wow, the disrespect towards teachers just doesn't stop.


DP: Why is this disrespect? Teachers are supposed to give up better financial offers just because you think they should conform to your idea of professionalism? They owe it to their students? The same teachers who routinely get pink slips every spring and often don't know if/where they are going to work the next year until mid-summer? The same teachers who have been putting up with a ton of crap from so many angles the past few years? Putting teachers on a pedestal who will suffer through anything--give up their own and their family's well-being-- for their students is not "respect" it's an unreasonable expectation. To couch it as 'respect' is just extra gaslighting. These and many other unreasonable demands are what is gutting the teacher profession. Sure, I'd prefer a teacher--or any worker-- not quit without notice but I can totally understand why someone would if they are at the breaking point. And only hr and the teacher know the actual situation, not OP. But if we don't course correct on demands on teachers, the issue is not whether you'll have the same teacher for the next month or so, but whether you'll have any at all next year.


Spare us your union BS. Unprofessional behavior is unprofessional behavior in any field.


Live in denial of the growing teacher shortage then.


Devaluing professionalism will surely solve the problem!


People in the private sector job hop ALL the time. You get an offer for more pay, better benefits, you take it because the offer doesn’t lash forever. Teaching is the ONLY job where we assign some moral failure to leaving it. I’m a teacher and I enjoy it but let’s be clear, this is my job. Just like your job is your job. It is not my life. The job does not love me back. If I die tomorrow, they will list my position, fill it, and move on. My number one priority ALWAYS is my family and my own health. As it should be for everyone.


I'll add to that vets, docs, and nurses -- all of which are professions experiencing record burnout right now, after a pandemic which placed more burden on them as helping professionals and yet which so many others felt fine about dumping their frustrations and anger on.


No we don't. People expect vets, docs and nurses to move on if they get a better offer elsewhere. No one expects an PA to stick with a job where there is another job down the road offering more money or better working conditions


PAs, vets, lawyers, and other professionals may not abandon existing responsibilities (ongoing care of patients, pending litigation, etc.) without alternative arrangements. Lawyers need permission to withdraw from cases. Medical professionals, including veterinarians, can't abandon patients with ongoing medical conditions needing management without allowing their patients or clients a reasonable opportunity to obtain other care. Doing otherwise would violate the standard of care, which can result in an action against the professional license. In these discussions, there is a distinction between leaving a job to make more money and the circumstances when a professional's obligation to existing patients or clients can be abandoned. People are arguing that students' needs play no role in discussions about teacher departures, which is in contrast to other these other professions.


Students and parents aren't teachers clients or employers. Yes, schools are required to put your child somewhere, get an adult in the room, but the teacher isn't hired by you or your student so is not required. Schools ARE providing replacement situations--your kid isn't locked out of the school with nowhere to go--you just aren't happy that they have to.


You admit it. Students and their families are nothing in the process of education. Teaching is just a job that exists as a relationship between the district employer and teachers. What's best for students and their families is irrelevant, and they should shut up and be satisfied with whatever they are given.


This is what I learned during the pandemic. Parents and students are not stakeholders. Students are customers or clients or really anything at all, to school administration and the school board.


This is false. They just didn't comply with what you particularly wanted.
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Anonymous wrote:That sucks, and I'm sorry. There must be something really difficult going on in that teacher's life right to make such a decision.

She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.


Honestly, this is probably accurate.


I wouldn't blame her.


Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.


No one here has any idea what is happening with this teacher in her personal life.


They shouldn't quit. people were not quitting their jobs like this 3 years ago. Biden needs to banned this and do something to stop people from quitting. MY DD English teacher quit last month, she said quit and ain't coming back. It's a sad day in America. November can't come soon enough, I will be voting and something will be done to stop the labor shortage.


You can't force labor. People aren't slaves. That is a route to have zero teachers available to teach in the fall.


The ones who quit midyear won't be working this fall anyway. Maybe you need to rethink your route.


Yes, but forcing people into contracts they can't quit deters the already dwindling supply of teachers to not take on a new contract.


No, it doesn't. All teacher contracts require a 9 month commitment. There's nothing onerous or bad about that. It doesn't deter anyone.


There is not a clause in it that forces you not to quit. In fact, it's them telling you they are committing to you for 9 months and generally teachers are generally professionally agreeing to stay then also. But they can't do more than that like PP wants--forcing people not to quit--without creating a deterrent. If someone is at a breaking point, or needs to move, or wants out of the profession they can quit when they want. It sucks for parents, other teachers, their students, but instilling draconian 'no quit' policies would likely not survive a legal test and make a profession that is struggling to attract people at the worst rate since it's been measured in even worse shape.


You can't force people not to quit. But you can also acknowledge that quitting in the middle of the year is really bad for parents, other teachers, and students. It should not be the norm for a salaried skilled professional and should only happen under dire circumstances. You wonder why kids are detached and anxious. I guess they should recognize that the adults in their lives are only there while it works for them and should feel terrible if they are disappointed when these adults leave without any warning.


Did you not read that I wrote "it sucks for parents, other teachers, their students..." Teaching has long held to this professional norm. Quitting mid-year was exceedingly rare and was long done for only extenuating circumstances. But they've had enough. The mandated policies at the federal level lingering since NCLB have added up, piling up with special education laws with grossly inadequate support. Thrown in your state governor creating a tip line for people to report their teachers, teachers feel like the social contract is broken and they don't have to honor it anymore. I'm not saying we want this for teachers at all. I'm just telling everyone who is still tut-tutting teachers they think are bad that it's a five alarm fire in the profession. I'm not a teacher myself, I track the data in my job and it is STARTLING.



I agree with you. Reading your additional comments, I think we are in complete agreement on the fact that teaching has become an increasingly undesirable profession for a variety of reasons, and the high level of dissatisfaction has created some checked-out and ineffective teachers. The teachers in my life complain more about administrative burdens, impossible workload, and clueless administrators than they do about students and parents. Teachers are burned out, and as a result, the current level of professionalism accepted in teaching does not align with other educated professions. I'm sorry, but it is true. I don't think we are to accomplish the needed reform unless when admit that. My oldest kids are now adults, but I can say that the slide began long before the pandemic and has nothing to do with the tip line (although that's ridiculous). Regular attendance, communication, timely grading, and consistent and respectful treatment of students and parents - all of the components that command respect, are harder to find than ever in public schools. Whether there are good reasons for burnout is beside the point. The decline in professionalism hurts kids, yet we aren't allowed to talk about it because more teachers might leave the profession. It's a vicious cycle. When kids get the bare minimum from some teachers, there's no backup to get them caught up. That's not fair to anyone, but most of all, the kids.


I'm the PP. I don't agree with you that there was a longer history of decline in teacher professionalism. I think despite a lot of demands, they maintained a fairly solid standard of professionalism. In any profession there is a range of course, but I would say on the whole it has been fairly steady for decades. What I am referring to is that teachers are burnt out and feel that the social contract has been broken. Highly skilled, committed and experienced teachers who wanted to be teachers for life, that had teaching as core to their identity are leaving the profession. Less skilled and committed people are also leaving the profession. Far fewer people of any skill level are entering the profession. Some less professional ones are quitting mid-year, but far, far more have either already left or are planning to leave this spring. They don't want to teach in public schools, they don't want to teach in charter schools, they don't want to teach in private or parochial schools. They are done. I think parents have yet to wrap their heads around this reality.


DP. I'm not sure what you think parents can or should be doing about this, besides just laying down and crying. You may blame parents 100% for the current teacher crisis. Okay. Not sure what parents can do to ameliorate it or to improve teacher conditions in the near term. Obama attempted to overturn NCLB with the ESSA but it doesn't seem to have succeeded in improving things. If I contact Richmond, should I ask for less oversight? More SOLs? Fewer SOLs but better written? Relaxing state (and federal) requirements related to sped students? What, exactly?


PP: I don't blame parents 100%--I'm a parent too! My post was more an exasperated reaction to parents still complaining about teachers when they will be lucky to have a teacher at all next fall. But I appreciate your healthier proactive response. I think the problems are structural but there are some things I think that could be done. I think the first one is for every parent to take a breath before they start venting about teachers--in person, at meetings, on social media. The more demands people make on educators the more they are too overwhelmed to do anything well and the fewer there are left to do it. The more vitriol they experience the more they will continue to walk. Support your kids, support and trust your teachers, think about what you can do to make what you want to happen educationally for your child.

As for more specifically,

1) There needs to be some kind paperwork reduction act for special education students. Special education teachers have to do this paperwork but so do general teachers since most students with IEPs are also in general classrooms. Teachers feel the the documentation is often more burdensome than providing the accommodations. When an outsider looks at the paperwork demands for one kid it might not seem that bad, but remember teachers have to maintain these records for all their students while they are also supporting all their behavior and learning grading, tracking pacing guides etc.

We may also need to review whether the IEP model as it is currently used is the most appropriate approach. A lot of the accommodations benefit everyone and could be more seamlessly built into a universal design for the classroom without the documentation demands. If a much more serious and intentional approach to universal design for learning built in commonly needed accommodations (e.g., ones that help dyslexia, adhd, anxiety, asd) there might be less need for IEPs and the documentation demands of those would be lower as they would involve documentation of accommodations beyond the universal ones.

2) The current approach to SOLs does add unnecessary stress to teacher's lives. Not so much the accountability or the time for testing, but because the SoLs then get a backwards design into a pacing guide. Teachers feel they can no longer exercise their professional judgment to spend longer teaching x or y, because students haven't gotten or that maybe there's value in having students read more books and fewer "targeted passages" even though that doesn't help as much for SOL strategies. Looser pacing guides and more autonomy to make and adapt instructional and pedagogical decisions would help. Flexibility is key. I think what the data has been suggesting is happening more particularly this year is that the pacing guides are there as a drumbeat, but with all the absences from sick children and staff, increased mental health and behavioral concerns, and spotty instruction from the year before, teachers feel like they are forced to steamroll over children's learning needs in order to keep up with the pace. So they know kids haven't mastered something but they have to move on or they will be even farther behind. Which adds to children's anxiety. Which adds to teachers' stress. So the pace and density of the pacing guides were always a long-standing challenge, but this year it's an emergency. The tests just add pressure remind them and the kids that things are still off-track from the demands and give them less time to do what they professional think is best for the kids.

3) More professional support staff are really crucial: school counselors, school nurses and librarians. These professionals are worth their weight in gold to most school communities. There are also just fewer adults in the building overall due to staffing shortages and limits on parent volunteers due to the pandemic--"floaters" and volunteers who would read or do work 1 on 1 with kids often helps deescalate kids who are getting stressed and helps them learn. Maybe there's a way create college student work/study positions to doing ten hours a week doing 1 on 1 and small group work with kids. It would need to be routine individualized help with students on their classwork that teachers don't have to organize and manage. (They would all need background checks too).



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Anonymous wrote:That sucks, and I'm sorry. There must be something really difficult going on in that teacher's life right to make such a decision.

She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.


Honestly, this is probably accurate.


I wouldn't blame her.


Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.


No one here has any idea what is happening with this teacher in her personal life.


They shouldn't quit. people were not quitting their jobs like this 3 years ago. Biden needs to banned this and do something to stop people from quitting. MY DD English teacher quit last month, she said quit and ain't coming back. It's a sad day in America. November can't come soon enough, I will be voting and something will be done to stop the labor shortage.


LOL.....it has to be a troll!!!

HAHAHA. Wow, you are an astonishingly large moron. Or a Russian troll, judging by your grammar.
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Anonymous wrote:That sucks, and I'm sorry. There must be something really difficult going on in that teacher's life right to make such a decision.

She probably got fed up with the a-hole parents.


Honestly, this is probably accurate.


I wouldn't blame her.


Not this late in the year. It’s unprofessional and rude. Anyone can work another 6 weeks. That’s a really $hitty thing to do to her students. Just finish the damn year and move on.


Why should she wait six weeks? Teachers don't get paid for the summer. So her leaving now for a better job means a better financial future long-term. OP doesn't like it I'm sure she knows were the sub sign-up forms are. It won't even be that long, just six weeks.


Wow, the disrespect towards teachers just doesn't stop.


DP: Why is this disrespect? Teachers are supposed to give up better financial offers just because you think they should conform to your idea of professionalism? They owe it to their students? The same teachers who routinely get pink slips every spring and often don't know if/where they are going to work the next year until mid-summer? The same teachers who have been putting up with a ton of crap from so many angles the past few years? Putting teachers on a pedestal who will suffer through anything--give up their own and their family's well-being-- for their students is not "respect" it's an unreasonable expectation. To couch it as 'respect' is just extra gaslighting. These and many other unreasonable demands are what is gutting the teacher profession. Sure, I'd prefer a teacher--or any worker-- not quit without notice but I can totally understand why someone would if they are at the breaking point. And only hr and the teacher know the actual situation, not OP. But if we don't course correct on demands on teachers, the issue is not whether you'll have the same teacher for the next month or so, but whether you'll have any at all next year.


Spare us your union BS. Unprofessional behavior is unprofessional behavior in any field.


Live in denial of the growing teacher shortage then.


Devaluing professionalism will surely solve the problem!


People in the private sector job hop ALL the time. You get an offer for more pay, better benefits, you take it because the offer doesn’t lash forever. Teaching is the ONLY job where we assign some moral failure to leaving it. I’m a teacher and I enjoy it but let’s be clear, this is my job. Just like your job is your job. It is not my life. The job does not love me back. If I die tomorrow, they will list my position, fill it, and move on. My number one priority ALWAYS is my family and my own health. As it should be for everyone.


Amen...one more time for the people not listening.
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