Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:I see the New York Times has finally belatedly acknowledged that Hamas used horrific sexual violence against Israeli women on 10/7, though I assume that does not matter to the Hamas supporters here who denied the rapes occurred because there weren’t rape kits or whatever, just extremely graphic and extremely obvious videos.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

I assume HRW and UN Women and all those supposed human rights organizations are still silent on the matter of Israeli women being sexually tortured by Hamas, but my standards for them are so low now that it’s not a surprise.

Israel had never sent UN Women the notification needed for them to open an investigation. Which makes the complaints just another bad faith accusation.

This is surely a comment motivated by the best, purest faith.

It is. The lack of response from UN Women, which has a whole program specifically focused on the horrors of sexual violence in war, was very disturbing. That is until it turned out that Israel never took the basic steps to trigger an investigation and their hands were tied. The propaganda war against the UN by Israel is bad for the world. That they have undertaken, at least part of, it in bad faith is a shame.

To be clear, I am talking about the Government of Israel and not the regular people that amplify these messages. While we wouldn't know about the bureaucratic procedures of obscure UN agencies the Israeli Mission to the UN would.

UN Women regularly issues tweets, statements, etc. condemning sexual violence against women worldwide without the targets having triggered or requested an investigation. You of course know this. But in this case, the organization has been silent, and we all know why. You are just defending overt antisemitism from a corrupt organization.

I’m not Jewish or remotely tied to Israel and am critical of many aspects of the Israeli response, but I also think that the silence from the UN Women is inexcusable. I’ve certainly lost any faith I used to have in the UN. Their silence in the face of the sexual torture faced by the 10/7 victims is appalling, full stop.

No. That's not true. I actually know the people there.

“The Times viewed photographs of one woman’s corpse that emergency responders discovered in the rubble of a besieged kibbutz with dozens of nails driven into her thighs and groin.

The Times also viewed a video, provided by the Israeli military, showing two dead Israeli soldiers at a base near Gaza who appeared to have been shot directly in their vaginas.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html?mwgrp=c-mbar&unlocked_article_code=1.Jk0.pz2_.1uF1rWfzPtEo&hpgrp=ar-abar&smid=url-share

Free Palestine, right?

There won't be a free Palestine. Not in anyone's lifetime.

They did what they did

Such a stupid decision to invade Israel and commit those atrocities. Palestinians had the opportunity to have a great state in '37 with the Peel Commission. Much bigger than a proposed Israel. Pretty good state in '47, from the Lebanese border to the Negev. And a moderately good state in 1993 with the Oslo Accords.

Palestinians said no to all of that.

Instead they choose to gang rape women at a music festival on a Saturday morning. Cut off their breasts. Torture them. Take hostages, including babies, as well as older people, and more young women.

I don't know. I'm thinking Palestinians might want to reconsider things. They don't have a country, even though one has been offered to them many times. The entire Arab world hates them - experiences in Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait, and Egypt. It's no surprise that no one in the region is helping them out.

I feel bad for the kids. And good lord, Palestinians have a lot of children.

The one thing I'm certain of after 10/7 is that there won't be an independent Palestinian state. Obviously an Islamic extremist state would devote itself to war. And that can't happen.

I genuinely don't know what Palestininas are thinking. I saw all the enthusiasm for the rapes and murders and hostages on 10/7.

Now what? What's the plan?

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Anonymous wrote:I see the New York Times has finally belatedly acknowledged that Hamas used horrific sexual violence against Israeli women on 10/7, though I assume that does not matter to the Hamas supporters here who denied the rapes occurred because there weren’t rape kits or whatever, just extremely graphic and extremely obvious videos.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

I assume HRW and UN Women and all those supposed human rights organizations are still silent on the matter of Israeli women being sexually tortured by Hamas, but my standards for them are so low now that it’s not a surprise.

Israel had never sent UN Women the notification needed for them to open an investigation. Which makes the complaints just another bad faith accusation.

This is surely a comment motivated by the best, purest faith.

It is. The lack of response from UN Women, which has a whole program specifically focused on the horrors of sexual violence in war, was very disturbing. That is until it turned out that Israel never took the basic steps to trigger an investigation and their hands were tied. The propaganda war against the UN by Israel is bad for the world. That they have undertaken, at least part of, it in bad faith is a shame.

To be clear, I am talking about the Government of Israel and not the regular people that amplify these messages. While we wouldn't know about the bureaucratic procedures of obscure UN agencies the Israeli Mission to the UN would.

UN Women regularly issues tweets, statements, etc. condemning sexual violence against women worldwide without the targets having triggered or requested an investigation. You of course know this. But in this case, the organization has been silent, and we all know why. You are just defending overt antisemitism from a corrupt organization.

I’m not Jewish or remotely tied to Israel and am critical of many aspects of the Israeli response, but I also think that the silence from the UN Women is inexcusable. I’ve certainly lost any faith I used to have in the UN. Their silence in the face of the sexual torture faced by the 10/7 victims is appalling, full stop.

No. That's not true. I actually know the people there.

Perhaps you should convince them to join an organization that retains a sense of morality, then, since the one they are currently a part of has lost whatever minimal decency it used to have.

Lol, such bad faith. All Israel had to do was tell them and they would have started an investigation. It really is that simple.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a difference between Hamas and Palestinians? If the majority is against Hamas, they can easily remove them from leadership positions. They can easily take them out; I have yet to hear an escaped Palestinian say how they hate Hamas.

So you believe collective punishment is warranted then. That"s a horrifying position.

serious question - is this your first time contemplating the horrors of war? did you grow up without access to history books, novels, movies, other people, or any other sources or information

Does "Never Again" only apply to Jewish people? I grew up thinking it meant that as a global community, we would never allow a Shoah to happen to any group. But it seems like shrugging off innocent civilians deaths in this conflict is really easy for you. I don't understand why.

DP.

I don’t understand why there’s so much more emphasis on civilian deaths in this conflict than in prior conflicts.

Assume roughly 15k civilian deaths in Gaza.

Compare to other/prior conflicts both as an absolute number and as a combatant/civilian ratio.

It’s interesting.

I guess the expectation is that because it's 2023, and because we know the U.S. armaments in this conflict are state-of-the-art, the precision of the war would be much more efficient than, say, the Civil War or WWI or WWII, etc. So it's difficult to understand how there's a fair comparison there.

Is the battle for Mosul recent enough for you? https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/why-the-human-toll-of-the-battle-for-mosul-may-never-be-known

The battle for Mosul was one of the most brutal urban warfare campaigns in modern history. U.S.-led coalition warplanes dropped bombs that leveled building after building. Iraqi troops are believed to have endured casualty rates not seen since World War II.

The government banned filming of injured soldiers and never released the real numbers of its troops killed in battle. But it was civilians, trapped inside this killing field, who paid the highest price, in part due to an easing of the rules of engagement for U.S. military strikes, as the fight for Mosul began.

...and would you like to compare the proportional casualty numbers over time?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a difference between Hamas and Palestinians? If the majority is against Hamas, they can easily remove them from leadership positions. They can easily take them out; I have yet to hear an escaped Palestinian say how they hate Hamas.

So you believe collective punishment is warranted then. That"s a horrifying position.

serious question - is this your first time contemplating the horrors of war? did you grow up without access to history books, novels, movies, other people, or any other sources or information

Does "Never Again" only apply to Jewish people? I grew up thinking it meant that as a global community, we would never allow a Shoah to happen to any group. But it seems like shrugging off innocent civilians deaths in this conflict is really easy for you. I don't understand why.

DP.

I don’t understand why there’s so much more emphasis on civilian deaths in this conflict than in prior conflicts.

Assume roughly 15k civilian deaths in Gaza.

Compare to other/prior conflicts both as an absolute number and as a combatant/civilian ratio.

It’s interesting.

I guess the expectation is that because it's 2023, and because we know the U.S. armaments in this conflict are state-of-the-art, the precision of the war would be much more efficient than, say, the Civil War or WWI or WWII, etc. So it's difficult to understand how there's a fair comparison there.

Is the battle for Mosul recent enough for you? https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/why-the-human-toll-of-the-battle-for-mosul-may-never-be-known

The battle for Mosul was one of the most brutal urban warfare campaigns in modern history. U.S.-led coalition warplanes dropped bombs that leveled building after building. Iraqi troops are believed to have endured casualty rates not seen since World War II.

The government banned filming of injured soldiers and never released the real numbers of its troops killed in battle. But it was civilians, trapped inside this killing field, who paid the highest price, in part due to an easing of the rules of engagement for U.S. military strikes, as the fight for Mosul began.

...and would you like to compare the proportional casualty numbers over time?

Sure let’s do it. Show us your incredible skills at proportions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I see the New York Times has finally belatedly acknowledged that Hamas used horrific sexual violence against Israeli women on 10/7, though I assume that does not matter to the Hamas supporters here who denied the rapes occurred because there weren’t rape kits or whatever, just extremely graphic and extremely obvious videos.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

I assume HRW and UN Women and all those supposed human rights organizations are still silent on the matter of Israeli women being sexually tortured by Hamas, but my standards for them are so low now that it’s not a surprise.

Israel had never sent UN Women the notification needed for them to open an investigation. Which makes the complaints just another bad faith accusation.

This is surely a comment motivated by the best, purest faith.

It is. The lack of response from UN Women, which has a whole program specifically focused on the horrors of sexual violence in war, was very disturbing. That is until it turned out that Israel never took the basic steps to trigger an investigation and their hands were tied. The propaganda war against the UN by Israel is bad for the world. That they have undertaken, at least part of, it in bad faith is a shame.

To be clear, I am talking about the Government of Israel and not the regular people that amplify these messages. While we wouldn't know about the bureaucratic procedures of obscure UN agencies the Israeli Mission to the UN would.

UN Women regularly issues tweets, statements, etc. condemning sexual violence against women worldwide without the targets having triggered or requested an investigation. You of course know this. But in this case, the organization has been silent, and we all know why. You are just defending overt antisemitism from a corrupt organization.

I’m not Jewish or remotely tied to Israel and am critical of many aspects of the Israeli response, but I also think that the silence from the UN Women is inexcusable. I’ve certainly lost any faith I used to have in the UN. Their silence in the face of the sexual torture faced by the 10/7 victims is appalling, full stop.

No. That's not true. I actually know the people there.

Perhaps you should convince them to join an organization that retains a sense of morality, then, since the one they are currently a part of has lost whatever minimal decency it used to have.

Lol, such bad faith. All Israel had to do was tell them and they would have started an investigation. It really is that simple.

Nice that you think that women having nails hammered into their vaginas is worthy of an “lol”.

Says a great deal about you.

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't get through the NY Times article. The brutalization of women was planned and carried out in multiple locations on 10/7. Not only is Hamas and its supporters a death cult but it is filled with rapists.

Where were the protests, the signs, the marches for these women? Michelle "bring back our girls" Obama? Susan Sarandon? UN Women? It's like rape has become fashionable again when the victims are Jews.

They're not "our" girls, they're Israel's. Why don't you hold Israel accountable for their lack of outcry over Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein?

You don’t understand the context. There was a huge furor and rally by Americans including Michelle Obama for NIGERIAN girls kidnapped by boko haram. They aren’t “our” girls too, so why did Americans speak out so loudly about that and not about severely brutalized Jewish women? You just sound ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:I see the New York Times has finally belatedly acknowledged that Hamas used horrific sexual violence against Israeli women on 10/7, though I assume that does not matter to the Hamas supporters here who denied the rapes occurred because there weren’t rape kits or whatever, just extremely graphic and extremely obvious videos.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

I assume HRW and UN Women and all those supposed human rights organizations are still silent on the matter of Israeli women being sexually tortured by Hamas, but my standards for them are so low now that it’s not a surprise.

Israel had never sent UN Women the notification needed for them to open an investigation. Which makes the complaints just another bad faith accusation.

This is surely a comment motivated by the best, purest faith.

It is. The lack of response from UN Women, which has a whole program specifically focused on the horrors of sexual violence in war, was very disturbing. That is until it turned out that Israel never took the basic steps to trigger an investigation and their hands were tied. The propaganda war against the UN by Israel is bad for the world. That they have undertaken, at least part of, it in bad faith is a shame.

To be clear, I am talking about the Government of Israel and not the regular people that amplify these messages. While we wouldn't know about the bureaucratic procedures of obscure UN agencies the Israeli Mission to the UN would.

UN Women regularly issues tweets, statements, etc. condemning sexual violence against women worldwide without the targets having triggered or requested an investigation. You of course know this. But in this case, the organization has been silent, and we all know why. You are just defending overt antisemitism from a corrupt organization.

I’m not Jewish or remotely tied to Israel and am critical of many aspects of the Israeli response, but I also think that the silence from the UN Women is inexcusable. I’ve certainly lost any faith I used to have in the UN. Their silence in the face of the sexual torture faced by the 10/7 victims is appalling, full stop.

No. That's not true. I actually know the people there.

Perhaps you should convince them to join an organization that retains a sense of morality, then, since the one they are currently a part of has lost whatever minimal decency it used to have.

Lol, such bad faith. All Israel had to do was tell them and they would have started an investigation. It really is that simple.

You are sick to talk about sexual torture and rape like that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a difference between Hamas and Palestinians? If the majority is against Hamas, they can easily remove them from leadership positions. They can easily take them out; I have yet to hear an escaped Palestinian say how they hate Hamas.

So you believe collective punishment is warranted then. That"s a horrifying position.

serious question - is this your first time contemplating the horrors of war? did you grow up without access to history books, novels, movies, other people, or any other sources or information

Does "Never Again" only apply to Jewish people? I grew up thinking it meant that as a global community, we would never allow a Shoah to happen to any group. But it seems like shrugging off innocent civilians deaths in this conflict is really easy for you. I don't understand why.

+100

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Anonymous wrote:I see the New York Times has finally belatedly acknowledged that Hamas used horrific sexual violence against Israeli women on 10/7, though I assume that does not matter to the Hamas supporters here who denied the rapes occurred because there weren’t rape kits or whatever, just extremely graphic and extremely obvious videos.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

I assume HRW and UN Women and all those supposed human rights organizations are still silent on the matter of Israeli women being sexually tortured by Hamas, but my standards for them are so low now that it’s not a surprise.

Israel had never sent UN Women the notification needed for them to open an investigation. Which makes the complaints just another bad faith accusation.

This is surely a comment motivated by the best, purest faith.

It is. The lack of response from UN Women, which has a whole program specifically focused on the horrors of sexual violence in war, was very disturbing. That is until it turned out that Israel never took the basic steps to trigger an investigation and their hands were tied. The propaganda war against the UN by Israel is bad for the world. That they have undertaken, at least part of, it in bad faith is a shame.

To be clear, I am talking about the Government of Israel and not the regular people that amplify these messages. While we wouldn't know about the bureaucratic procedures of obscure UN agencies the Israeli Mission to the UN would.

UN Women regularly issues tweets, statements, etc. condemning sexual violence against women worldwide without the targets having triggered or requested an investigation. You of course know this. But in this case, the organization has been silent, and we all know why. You are just defending overt antisemitism from a corrupt organization.

I’m not Jewish or remotely tied to Israel and am critical of many aspects of the Israeli response, but I also think that the silence from the UN Women is inexcusable. I’ve certainly lost any faith I used to have in the UN. Their silence in the face of the sexual torture faced by the 10/7 victims is appalling, full stop.

No. That's not true. I actually know the people there.

Perhaps you should convince them to join an organization that retains a sense of morality, then, since the one they are currently a part of has lost whatever minimal decency it used to have.

Lol, such bad faith. All Israel had to do was tell them and they would have started an investigation. It really is that simple.

You are sick to talk about sexual torture and rape like that.

+1

“Lol”

FFS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I see the New York Times has finally belatedly acknowledged that Hamas used horrific sexual violence against Israeli women on 10/7, though I assume that does not matter to the Hamas supporters here who denied the rapes occurred because there weren’t rape kits or whatever, just extremely graphic and extremely obvious videos.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

I assume HRW and UN Women and all those supposed human rights organizations are still silent on the matter of Israeli women being sexually tortured by Hamas, but my standards for them are so low now that it’s not a surprise.

Israel had never sent UN Women the notification needed for them to open an investigation. Which makes the complaints just another bad faith accusation.

This is surely a comment motivated by the best, purest faith.

It is. The lack of response from UN Women, which has a whole program specifically focused on the horrors of sexual violence in war, was very disturbing. That is until it turned out that Israel never took the basic steps to trigger an investigation and their hands were tied. The propaganda war against the UN by Israel is bad for the world. That they have undertaken, at least part of, it in bad faith is a shame.

To be clear, I am talking about the Government of Israel and not the regular people that amplify these messages. While we wouldn't know about the bureaucratic procedures of obscure UN agencies the Israeli Mission to the UN would.

UN Women regularly issues tweets, statements, etc. condemning sexual violence against women worldwide without the targets having triggered or requested an investigation. You of course know this. But in this case, the organization has been silent, and we all know why. You are just defending overt antisemitism from a corrupt organization.

I’m not Jewish or remotely tied to Israel and am critical of many aspects of the Israeli response, but I also think that the silence from the UN Women is inexcusable. I’ve certainly lost any faith I used to have in the UN. Their silence in the face of the sexual torture faced by the 10/7 victims is appalling, full stop.

No. That's not true. I actually know the people there.

Perhaps you should convince them to join an organization that retains a sense of morality, then, since the one they are currently a part of has lost whatever minimal decency it used to have.

Lol, such bad faith. All Israel had to do was tell them and they would have started an investigation. It really is that simple.

Lol and they did on October 30th, you effing jackass https://www.ncjw.org/news/ncjw-israel-womens-network-and-140-womens-organizations-call-for-urgent-action-response-to-un-womens-statement-of-october-13/

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Anonymous wrote:I see the New York Times has finally belatedly acknowledged that Hamas used horrific sexual violence against Israeli women on 10/7, though I assume that does not matter to the Hamas supporters here who denied the rapes occurred because there weren’t rape kits or whatever, just extremely graphic and extremely obvious videos.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

I assume HRW and UN Women and all those supposed human rights organizations are still silent on the matter of Israeli women being sexually tortured by Hamas, but my standards for them are so low now that it’s not a surprise.

Israel had never sent UN Women the notification needed for them to open an investigation. Which makes the complaints just another bad faith accusation.

This is surely a comment motivated by the best, purest faith.

It is. The lack of response from UN Women, which has a whole program specifically focused on the horrors of sexual violence in war, was very disturbing. That is until it turned out that Israel never took the basic steps to trigger an investigation and their hands were tied. The propaganda war against the UN by Israel is bad for the world. That they have undertaken, at least part of, it in bad faith is a shame.

To be clear, I am talking about the Government of Israel and not the regular people that amplify these messages. While we wouldn't know about the bureaucratic procedures of obscure UN agencies the Israeli Mission to the UN would.

UN Women regularly issues tweets, statements, etc. condemning sexual violence against women worldwide without the targets having triggered or requested an investigation. You of course know this. But in this case, the organization has been silent, and we all know why. You are just defending overt antisemitism from a corrupt organization.

I’m not Jewish or remotely tied to Israel and am critical of many aspects of the Israeli response, but I also think that the silence from the UN Women is inexcusable. I’ve certainly lost any faith I used to have in the UN. Their silence in the face of the sexual torture faced by the 10/7 victims is appalling, full stop.

No. That's not true. I actually know the people there.

“The Times viewed photographs of one woman’s corpse that emergency responders discovered in the rubble of a besieged kibbutz with dozens of nails driven into her thighs and groin.

The Times also viewed a video, provided by the Israeli military, showing two dead Israeli soldiers at a base near Gaza who appeared to have been shot directly in their vaginas.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html?mwgrp=c-mbar&unlocked_article_code=1.Jk0.pz2_.1uF1rWfzPtEo&hpgrp=ar-abar&smid=url-share

Free Palestine, right?

There won't be a free Palestine. Not in anyone's lifetime.

They did what they did

Such a stupid decision to invade Israel and commit those atrocities. Palestinians had the opportunity to have a great state in '37 with the Peel Commission. Much bigger than a proposed Israel. Pretty good state in '47, from the Lebanese border to the Negev. And a moderately good state in 1993 with the Oslo Accords.

Palestinians said no to all of that.

Instead they choose to gang rape women at a music festival on a Saturday morning. Cut off their breasts. Torture them. Take hostages, including babies, as well as older people, and more young women.

I don't know. I'm thinking Palestinians might want to reconsider things. They don't have a country, even though one has been offered to them many times. The entire Arab world hates them - experiences in Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait, and Egypt. It's no surprise that no one in the region is helping them out.

I feel bad for the kids. And good lord, Palestinians have a lot of children.

The one thing I'm certain of after 10/7 is that there won't be an independent Palestinian state. Obviously an Islamic extremist state would devote itself to war. And that can't happen.

I genuinely don't know what Palestininas are thinking. I saw all the enthusiasm for the rapes and murders and hostages on 10/7.

Now what? What's the plan?

Gosh
You are bitter.
Are you blind to the suffering of millions?
In case you do not know, your interpretation of history is very much one sided

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Anonymous wrote:I couldn't get through the NY Times article. The brutalization of women was planned and carried out in multiple locations on 10/7. Not only is Hamas and its supporters a death cult but it is filled with rapists.

Where were the protests, the signs, the marches for these women? Michelle "bring back our girls" Obama? Susan Sarandon? UN Women? It's like rape has become fashionable again when the victims are Jews.

They're not "our" girls, they're Israel's. Why don't you hold Israel accountable for their lack of outcry over Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein?

Truly pathetic whatsboutism.

The hypocrisy of the far left on violence, crimes against women, and free speech is being revealed as truly grotesque.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a difference between Hamas and Palestinians? If the majority is against Hamas, they can easily remove them from leadership positions. They can easily take them out; I have yet to hear an escaped Palestinian say how they hate Hamas.

So you believe collective punishment is warranted then. That"s a horrifying position.

serious question - is this your first time contemplating the horrors of war? did you grow up without access to history books, novels, movies, other people, or any other sources or information

Does "Never Again" only apply to Jewish people? I grew up thinking it meant that as a global community, we would never allow a Shoah to happen to any group. But it seems like shrugging off innocent civilians deaths in this conflict is really easy for you. I don't understand why.

DP.

I don’t understand why there’s so much more emphasis on civilian deaths in this conflict than in prior conflicts.

Assume roughly 15k civilian deaths in Gaza.

Compare to other/prior conflicts both as an absolute number and as a combatant/civilian ratio.

It’s interesting.

I guess the expectation is that because it's 2023, and because we know the U.S. armaments in this conflict are state-of-the-art, the precision of the war would be much more efficient than, say, the Civil War or WWI or WWII, etc. So it's difficult to understand how there's a fair comparison there.

A good guess, but the fact is that in 2022, the UN estimated that civilians constituted 90% of casualties in recent conflicts.

https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc14904.doc.htm

So there are really two possibilities here:

1. People’s expectations of the grim realities of conflict have suddenly and inexplicably become skewed.

2. People are reacting differently because this conflict involves Israel.

I’d say that #2 is the more plausible explanation.

Ok. So if you are ok with civilians dying why are the civilian deaths on 10:7 so horrible to you? From a Palestinian perspective they are all a part of a war that stretches back to the 1940s. Hostages included.

Personally, I think it’s horrific. And I thin kIsraeli’s actions are equally horrific. Bit of you are saying civilian deaths in a war are a-ok, then please explain why 10/7 is so very different. And please keep in mind that for every Israeli death since 1948, there has been at least 10x Palestinian deaths.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a difference between Hamas and Palestinians? If the majority is against Hamas, they can easily remove them from leadership positions. They can easily take them out; I have yet to hear an escaped Palestinian say how they hate Hamas.

So you believe collective punishment is warranted then. That"s a horrifying position.

serious question - is this your first time contemplating the horrors of war? did you grow up without access to history books, novels, movies, other people, or any other sources or information

Does "Never Again" only apply to Jewish people? I grew up thinking it meant that as a global community, we would never allow a Shoah to happen to any group. But it seems like shrugging off innocent civilians deaths in this conflict is really easy for you. I don't understand why.

DP.

I don’t understand why there’s so much more emphasis on civilian deaths in this conflict than in prior conflicts.

Assume roughly 15k civilian deaths in Gaza.

Compare to other/prior conflicts both as an absolute number and as a combatant/civilian ratio.

It’s interesting.

I guess the expectation is that because it's 2023, and because we know the U.S. armaments in this conflict are state-of-the-art, the precision of the war would be much more efficient than, say, the Civil War or WWI or WWII, etc. So it's difficult to understand how there's a fair comparison there.

A good guess, but the fact is that in 2022, the UN estimated that civilians constituted 90% of casualties in recent conflicts.

https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc14904.doc.htm

So there are really two possibilities here:

1. People’s expectations of the grim realities of conflict have suddenly and inexplicably become skewed.

2. People are reacting differently because this conflict involves Israel.

I’d say that #2 is the more plausible explanation.

Ok. So if you are ok with civilians dying why are the civilian deaths on 10:7 so horrible to you? From a Palestinian perspective they are all a part of a war that stretches back to the 1940s. Hostages included.

Personally, I think it’s horrific. And I thin kIsraeli’s actions are equally horrific. Bit of you are saying civilian deaths in a war are a-ok, then please explain why 10/7 is so very different. And please keep in mind that for every Israeli death since 1948, there has been at least 10x Palestinian deaths.

Because 10/7 was an attack with no military objective, intended and designed with the sole goal of killing, torturing and raping civilians.

That’s far different and far more horrific than military actions with military objectives that result in civilian casualties.

That’s been the global consensus from a moral and legal perspective for decades.

Note that I deplore all civilian casualties, so I’m not “ok” with any. But I do recognize the reality of war.

Now, why don’t you answer my question?

Why are civilian casualties in the current conflict receiving so much more attention than other conflicts, despite both the raw and proportional numbers being relatively low?

Is it sudden onset naïveté? Or something else?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a difference between Hamas and Palestinians? If the majority is against Hamas, they can easily remove them from leadership positions. They can easily take them out; I have yet to hear an escaped Palestinian say how they hate Hamas.

So you believe collective punishment is warranted then. That"s a horrifying position.

serious question - is this your first time contemplating the horrors of war? did you grow up without access to history books, novels, movies, other people, or any other sources or information

Does "Never Again" only apply to Jewish people? I grew up thinking it meant that as a global community, we would never allow a Shoah to happen to any group. But it seems like shrugging off innocent civilians deaths in this conflict is really easy for you. I don't understand why.

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I don’t understand why there’s so much more emphasis on civilian deaths in this conflict than in prior conflicts.

Assume roughly 15k civilian deaths in Gaza.

Compare to other/prior conflicts both as an absolute number and as a combatant/civilian ratio.

It’s interesting.

I guess the expectation is that because it's 2023, and because we know the U.S. armaments in this conflict are state-of-the-art, the precision of the war would be much more efficient than, say, the Civil War or WWI or WWII, etc. So it's difficult to understand how there's a fair comparison there.

A good guess, but the fact is that in 2022, the UN estimated that civilians constituted 90% of casualties in recent conflicts.

https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc14904.doc.htm

So there are really two possibilities here:

1. People’s expectations of the grim realities of conflict have suddenly and inexplicably become skewed.

2. People are reacting differently because this conflict involves Israel.

I’d say that #2 is the more plausible explanation.

Ok. So if you are ok with civilians dying why are the civilian deaths on 10:7 so horrible to you? From a Palestinian perspective they are all a part of a war that stretches back to the 1940s. Hostages included.

Personally, I think it’s horrific. And I thin kIsraeli’s actions are equally horrific. Bit of you are saying civilian deaths in a war are a-ok, then please explain why 10/7 is so very different. And please keep in mind that for every Israeli death since 1948, there has been at least 10x Palestinian deaths.

Israeli media doesn’t cover the suffering of the Palestinians, news coverage is all about them. Very rarely does Palestinian or West Bank suffering even make the news.
Perhaps news stories about them will not sell. Media outlets here are also biased, but at least we have exposure worldwide and can compare how the news is different in other media outlets

That aside, even the DC based Israel supporters seem blind to the suffering and keep regurgitating the same arguments