Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please repeat in detail the RM mom probówek option? Looking at the maps and trying to make sense of it so i can full out the survey.



Modify option 4: Orginally WJ in option 4 has 77% capacity and Wheaton has 120%

Put entire Garrett Park in Woodward.
Put entire Viers Mill in WJ.

This will bring Wheaton below 100% and bring WJ closer to 100%. It will also balance the FARMS in Woodward and WJ instead of WJ becoming another Whitman.

Modifying option 4 solves capacity in all schools without creating huge gap in economic diversity between WJ and Woodward. WJ and Woodward are around half mile of each other so it won't create issue with travel time for anyone to go to one vs other.

- Same RM parent( a Dad)





But the eastern half of Viers Mill is within the Wheaton walk zone, so shouldn't be bussed to WJ.


You cannot expect perfection. There will always be some kids who can walk to one school but instead get bussed somewhere else.


But the whole point of option 4 is to prioritize proximity.

I guess they could have left Wheaton HS even more overcrowded than they did in Option 4. Is that what you want?


No one cares about wheaton or dcc. Woodward was created for WJ.


WJ parent here, and no it isn't. Woodward was renovated and reopened to relieve overcrowding at WJ and DCC, primarily Einstein.

The boundary assessment, along with the one for Crown, should, for all schools included:
-Relieve overcrowding (including accounting for all the building in the pipeline, so none of these schools is overcrowded in 5-7-10 years)
-Balance
the 4 FAA priorities, not focusing on any one of them
-Get rid of split articulation where it currently exists and not create more of it
-Balance school assignments so none have significant FARMs rates
-Create school assignments where kids who could walk to one school would not need to get bussed elsewhere





+1

Woodward was a solution for WJ and DCC over crowding. It was not just for WJ. Anyway, any resource is for entire MCPS and it does not belong to one or two schools.

Hopefully, we pick a good boundary.

- RM parent


Its primarily for WJ. Lets be real. The DCC needs another school in lower DCC near DC, not going to happen.
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Me too. can he present this for us to BOE? I'm a VM parent in favor of modified Option 4 sending my kid to WJ.


Some one will present it, I can assure you.

Having said that, WJ has a well organized and strong PTA. Yes, some members may be a bit conflicted based on where they live, but presentation coming from WJ PTA will work the best. Then adding various HOAs in WJ and Wheaton cluster for support will be helpful. Easiest is to kick start this process by reaching out to your elementary school PTAs and. They are more clued to BOE, HS PTA compared to other parents. School sessions are ending but folks should be able to eletronically comnunicate and meet in some place informally to discuss. We did it in Rockville library and one of the HOAs having big hall during RM 5 boundary.

- RM parent



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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please repeat in detail the RM mom probówek option? Looking at the maps and trying to make sense of it so i can full out the survey.



Modify option 4: Orginally WJ in option 4 has 77% capacity and Wheaton has 120%

Put entire Garrett Park in Woodward.
Put entire Viers Mill in WJ.

This will bring Wheaton below 100% and bring WJ closer to 100%. It will also balance the FARMS in Woodward and WJ instead of WJ becoming another Whitman.

Modifying option 4 solves capacity in all schools without creating huge gap in economic diversity between WJ and Woodward. WJ and Woodward are around half mile of each other so it won't create issue with travel time for anyone to go to one vs other.

- Same RM parent( a Dad)





But the eastern half of Viers Mill is within the Wheaton walk zone, so shouldn't be bussed to WJ.


You cannot expect perfection. There will always be some kids who can walk to one school but instead get bussed somewhere else.


But the whole point of option 4 is to prioritize proximity.

I guess they could have left Wheaton HS even more overcrowded than they did in Option 4. Is that what you want?


No one cares about wheaton or dcc. Woodward was created for WJ.


WJ parent here, and no it isn't. Woodward was renovated and reopened to relieve overcrowding at WJ and DCC, primarily Einstein.

The boundary assessment, along with the one for Crown, should, for all schools included:
-Relieve overcrowding (including accounting for all the building in the pipeline, so none of these schools is overcrowded in 5-7-10 years)
-Balance
the 4 FAA priorities, not focusing on any one of them
-Get rid of split articulation where it currently exists and not create more of it
-Balance school assignments so none have significant FARMs rates
-Create school assignments where kids who could walk to one school would not need to get bussed elsewhere





+1

Woodward was a solution for WJ and DCC over crowding. It was not just for WJ. Anyway, any resource is for entire MCPS and it does not belong to one or two schools.

Hopefully, we pick a good boundary.

- RM parent


Its primarily for WJ. Lets be real. The DCC needs another school in lower DCC near DC, not going to happen.


Woodward has more than 2K seats.
WJ has 700-800 extra students.
Rest of the seats will be taken directly or indirectly shifting other boudaries by DCC students.

I wouldn't call it primarily for WJ. It's for everyone. I agree that having a lower DCC near DC would be ideal, but we don't have that topion right now. We need to make the best of current situation collectively.

- RM parent

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Anonymous wrote:I am a huge fan of Charlie Munger( who was a partner of Warren Buffett and recently passed away). He has changed my life. One of the mental model he taught me is that instead of trying to pick the best outcome, we are better off by making sure to avoid bad outcomes first. I manage an investment partnership and I use that model to avoid poor investments first before thinking about how much returns I will make.


Both may sound the same but they are very different. We shouldn't pick modified option 4 or any modification trying to maximine one things. We should first see if we are creating big negative in any option and try to avoid those big negatives. Once we can avoid big negatives then we should pick the best from left over options.

Modified option 4 avoids any big negative. We should try to find more alternatives which avoids big negative. Once we have few of them then pick the best among that.

Now next question some one may ask, what are big negatives in trying to make a boundary.

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Big negatives Just my opinion)

Leaving schools over capacity like 110% or something similar while some empty seats are there in other place. It should be a big NO.

Bussing kids long distance when they have a short walk like 5-10 minutes. It should be a big NO.

Bussing anyone for more than 20 minutes bus rides. It should be a big NO.

Creating a much lower and higher FARMS rate schools when schools are very close to each other. it should be a big NO.

Creating split articulation twice for the same set of kids. It should be a big NO.

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I listed whatever came in my mind. Collectively we can try to list more big negatives and try to avoid them as mush as possible. Some time it may not be possible to avoid all of them but we should attempt to do that. After that we may be left with some potential options for boundaries and no matter which one gets picked, collectively our county will be better off, MCPS will be better off and our next generation will be better off.

I feel we missed a trick big time here and our hands are tied due to not looking ES boundaries at the same time. By looking at ES, we could have avoided the split articulation problem.

Anyway, I feel modified option 4 is one candidate. By putting entire VM to WJ, I was also trying to avoid split articulation.

We should try to find more modified options which avoids big negatives. Once we have few of them then no matter which one we pick as a final option, colllectively we will be better off.

We are not going to find a perfect solution, but we can attempt to pick something with the least amount of big flaws.

Happy fathers day to all Dads!

- RM parent


Happy Father's Day, RM parent. I appreciate the actual problem-solving and intellectualism you're bringing to this, and wish I could contribute more. We moved to the area 3 years ago and I don't know the geography well. What I can offer regarding your "avoid the most negative outcomes" approach is that I think you pretty much have them covered. The only other one I can think of is disrupting people's lives for an effect that never materializes.

Option 3 is clearly very disruptive for a lot of people. What if it's not even effective... what if the assumptions it's built on (where people currently live and will live, how bussing impacts kids and communities, etc.) are wrong enough that it would mean disruption for.... nothing?
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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please repeat in detail the RM mom probówek option? Looking at the maps and trying to make sense of it so i can full out the survey.



Modify option 4: Orginally WJ in option 4 has 77% capacity and Wheaton has 120%

Put entire Garrett Park in Woodward.
Put entire Viers Mill in WJ.

This will bring Wheaton below 100% and bring WJ closer to 100%. It will also balance the FARMS in Woodward and WJ instead of WJ becoming another Whitman.

Modifying option 4 solves capacity in all schools without creating huge gap in economic diversity between WJ and Woodward. WJ and Woodward are around half mile of each other so it won't create issue with travel time for anyone to go to one vs other.

- Same RM parent( a Dad)





But the eastern half of Viers Mill is within the Wheaton walk zone, so shouldn't be bussed to WJ.


You cannot expect perfection. There will always be some kids who can walk to one school but instead get bussed somewhere else.


But the whole point of option 4 is to prioritize proximity.

I guess they could have left Wheaton HS even more overcrowded than they did in Option 4. Is that what you want?


No one cares about wheaton or dcc. Woodward was created for WJ.


WJ parent here, and no it isn't. Woodward was renovated and reopened to relieve overcrowding at WJ and DCC, primarily Einstein.

The boundary assessment, along with the one for Crown, should, for all schools included:
-Relieve overcrowding (including accounting for all the building in the pipeline, so none of these schools is overcrowded in 5-7-10 years)
-Balance
the 4 FAA priorities, not focusing on any one of them
-Get rid of split articulation where it currently exists and not create more of it
-Balance school assignments so none have significant FARMs rates
-Create school assignments where kids who could walk to one school would not need to get bussed elsewhere





+1

Woodward was a solution for WJ and DCC over crowding. It was not just for WJ. Anyway, any resource is for entire MCPS and it does not belong to one or two schools.

Hopefully, we pick a good boundary.

- RM parent


Its primarily for WJ. Lets be real. The DCC needs another school in lower DCC near DC, not going to happen.


There may be a need for another school near DC but it factually innaccurate to say repeatedly that Woodward is for WJ only and that DCC is ignored. The fact is Woodward is built and is opening and students from outside the current WJ boundary will attend.
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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please repeat in detail the RM mom probówek option? Looking at the maps and trying to make sense of it so i can full out the survey.



Modify option 4: Orginally WJ in option 4 has 77% capacity and Wheaton has 120%

Put entire Garrett Park in Woodward.
Put entire Viers Mill in WJ.

This will bring Wheaton below 100% and bring WJ closer to 100%. It will also balance the FARMS in Woodward and WJ instead of WJ becoming another Whitman.

Modifying option 4 solves capacity in all schools without creating huge gap in economic diversity between WJ and Woodward. WJ and Woodward are around half mile of each other so it won't create issue with travel time for anyone to go to one vs other.

- Same RM parent( a Dad)





But the eastern half of Viers Mill is within the Wheaton walk zone, so shouldn't be bussed to WJ.


You cannot expect perfection. There will always be some kids who can walk to one school but instead get bussed somewhere else.


But the whole point of option 4 is to prioritize proximity.

I guess they could have left Wheaton HS even more overcrowded than they did in Option 4. Is that what you want?


No one cares about wheaton or dcc. Woodward was created for WJ.


WJ parent here, and no it isn't. Woodward was renovated and reopened to relieve overcrowding at WJ and DCC, primarily Einstein.

The boundary assessment, along with the one for Crown, should, for all schools included:
-Relieve overcrowding (including accounting for all the building in the pipeline, so none of these schools is overcrowded in 5-7-10 years)
-Balance
the 4 FAA priorities, not focusing on any one of them
-Get rid of split articulation where it currently exists and not create more of it
-Balance school assignments so none have significant FARMs rates
-Create school assignments where kids who could walk to one school would not need to get bussed elsewhere





+1

Woodward was a solution for WJ and DCC over crowding. It was not just for WJ. Anyway, any resource is for entire MCPS and it does not belong to one or two schools.

Hopefully, we pick a good boundary.

- RM parent


Its primarily for WJ. Lets be real. The DCC needs another school in lower DCC near DC, not going to happen.


There may be a need for another school near DC but it factually innaccurate to say repeatedly that Woodward is for WJ only and that DCC is ignored. The fact is Woodward is built and is opening and students from outside the current WJ boundary will attend.


+1 "let's be real" lol

Let's be real, there will be students currently assigned to DCC schools that will as a result of this boundary study be assigned to Woodward and WJ.

But I'm frankly not surprised if some WJ parents feel entitled to hoard taxpayer-funded resources for themselves.
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“RM” parent - you certainly know a lot about the other areas are you sure you are not a parent from that cluster disguising yourself? Seems odd that you are soo involved and keep having to point out that you are an RM parent. I call bullshit..
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Anonymous wrote:“RM” parent - you certainly know a lot about the other areas are you sure you are not a parent from that cluster disguising yourself? Seems odd that you are soo involved and keep having to point out that you are an RM parent. I call bullshit..


My kids attend Bayard Rustin ES. I was involved in boundary discussion for Bayard Rustin opening at that time. Kids moved from Beall to Rustin.
I have been in this area since 2010 and have friends in all near by areas. Viers Mill, WJ, RM etc are not that far enough from each other to not know about them if you have lived in same area for a long time.

Having said that what differenc does it make who is from where. Let's focus on message and and not messenger. You can present your ideas which can be very different and you can sign it as "Not a RM parent"

Joke aside, having more ideas are always better. Then we can all poke holes in it, make better and pick one of the better ideas.



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Anonymous wrote:The big issue with bussing lower income kids is they lack transportation outside school hours for sports and extra curricular, where they cannot catch the activity bus that has limited stops. If they miss the bus, parents may not have transportation to get them there.


Parents of all incomes may have trouble getting their kids where they need to go if transportation is limited or there are after school requirements at a far away school. Obviously it is even more of an issue for parents who don’t own a car, but literally everyone takes on some hardship when forced bussing relocates kids farther from home.
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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please repeat in detail the RM mom probówek option? Looking at the maps and trying to make sense of it so i can full out the survey.



Modify option 4: Orginally WJ in option 4 has 77% capacity and Wheaton has 120%

Put entire Garrett Park in Woodward.
Put entire Viers Mill in WJ.

This will bring Wheaton below 100% and bring WJ closer to 100%. It will also balance the FARMS in Woodward and WJ instead of WJ becoming another Whitman.

Modifying option 4 solves capacity in all schools without creating huge gap in economic diversity between WJ and Woodward. WJ and Woodward are around half mile of each other so it won't create issue with travel time for anyone to go to one vs other.

- Same RM parent( a Dad)





But the eastern half of Viers Mill is within the Wheaton walk zone, so shouldn't be bussed to WJ.


You cannot expect perfection. There will always be some kids who can walk to one school but instead get bussed somewhere else.


But the whole point of option 4 is to prioritize proximity.

I guess they could have left Wheaton HS even more overcrowded than they did in Option 4. Is that what you want?


No one cares about wheaton or dcc. Woodward was created for WJ.


WJ parent here, and no it isn't. Woodward was renovated and reopened to relieve overcrowding at WJ and DCC, primarily Einstein.

The boundary assessment, along with the one for Crown, should, for all schools included:
-Relieve overcrowding (including accounting for all the building in the pipeline, so none of these schools is overcrowded in 5-7-10 years)
-Balance
the 4 FAA priorities, not focusing on any one of them
-Get rid of split articulation where it currently exists and not create more of it
-Balance school assignments so none have significant FARMs rates
-Create school assignments where kids who could walk to one school would not need to get bussed elsewhere





+1

Woodward was a solution for WJ and DCC over crowding. It was not just for WJ. Anyway, any resource is for entire MCPS and it does not belong to one or two schools.

Hopefully, we pick a good boundary.

- RM parent


Its primarily for WJ. Lets be real. The DCC needs another school in lower DCC near DC, not going to happen.


Woodward has more than 2K seats.
WJ has 700-800 extra students.
Rest of the seats will be taken directly or indirectly shifting other boudaries by DCC students.

I wouldn't call it primarily for WJ. It's for everyone. I agree that having a lower DCC near DC would be ideal, but we don't have that topion right now. We need to make the best of current situation collectively.

- RM parent



Half are coming from one school, WJ. That is significant. Our kids are in portables and we lost some of our tennis courts and other spaces.
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Anonymous wrote:The big issue with bussing lower income kids is they lack transportation outside school hours for sports and extra curricular, where they cannot catch the activity bus that has limited stops. If they miss the bus, parents may not have transportation to get them there.


Parents of all incomes may have trouble getting their kids where they need to go if transportation is limited or there are after school requirements at a far away school. Obviously it is even more of an issue for parents who don’t own a car, but literally everyone takes on some hardship when forced bussing relocates kids farther from home.


Richer families can buy cars and pay for uber.
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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please repeat in detail the RM mom probówek option? Looking at the maps and trying to make sense of it so i can full out the survey.



Modify option 4: Orginally WJ in option 4 has 77% capacity and Wheaton has 120%

Put entire Garrett Park in Woodward.
Put entire Viers Mill in WJ.

This will bring Wheaton below 100% and bring WJ closer to 100%. It will also balance the FARMS in Woodward and WJ instead of WJ becoming another Whitman.

Modifying option 4 solves capacity in all schools without creating huge gap in economic diversity between WJ and Woodward. WJ and Woodward are around half mile of each other so it won't create issue with travel time for anyone to go to one vs other.

- Same RM parent( a Dad)





But the eastern half of Viers Mill is within the Wheaton walk zone, so shouldn't be bussed to WJ.


You cannot expect perfection. There will always be some kids who can walk to one school but instead get bussed somewhere else.


But the whole point of option 4 is to prioritize proximity.

I guess they could have left Wheaton HS even more overcrowded than they did in Option 4. Is that what you want?


No one cares about wheaton or dcc. Woodward was created for WJ.


WJ parent here, and no it isn't. Woodward was renovated and reopened to relieve overcrowding at WJ and DCC, primarily Einstein.

The boundary assessment, along with the one for Crown, should, for all schools included:
-Relieve overcrowding (including accounting for all the building in the pipeline, so none of these schools is overcrowded in 5-7-10 years)
-Balance
the 4 FAA priorities, not focusing on any one of them
-Get rid of split articulation where it currently exists and not create more of it
-Balance school assignments so none have significant FARMs rates
-Create school assignments where kids who could walk to one school would not need to get bussed elsewhere





+1

Woodward was a solution for WJ and DCC over crowding. It was not just for WJ. Anyway, any resource is for entire MCPS and it does not belong to one or two schools.

Hopefully, we pick a good boundary.

- RM parent


Its primarily for WJ. Lets be real. The DCC needs another school in lower DCC near DC, not going to happen.


There may be a need for another school near DC but it factually innaccurate to say repeatedly that Woodward is for WJ only and that DCC is ignored. The fact is Woodward is built and is opening and students from outside the current WJ boundary will attend.


Multiple DCC schools will share the same number as wj. That speaks volumes.
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Anonymous wrote:The big issue with bussing lower income kids is they lack transportation outside school hours for sports and extra curricular, where they cannot catch the activity bus that has limited stops. If they miss the bus, parents may not have transportation to get them there.


Parents of all incomes may have trouble getting their kids where they need to go if transportation is limited or there are after school requirements at a far away school. Obviously it is even more of an issue for parents who don’t own a car, but literally everyone takes on some hardship when forced bussing relocates kids farther from home.


Richer families can buy cars and pay for uber.


no one can make time stop.
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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please repeat in detail the RM mom probówek option? Looking at the maps and trying to make sense of it so i can full out the survey.



Modify option 4: Orginally WJ in option 4 has 77% capacity and Wheaton has 120%

Put entire Garrett Park in Woodward.
Put entire Viers Mill in WJ.

This will bring Wheaton below 100% and bring WJ closer to 100%. It will also balance the FARMS in Woodward and WJ instead of WJ becoming another Whitman.

Modifying option 4 solves capacity in all schools without creating huge gap in economic diversity between WJ and Woodward. WJ and Woodward are around half mile of each other so it won't create issue with travel time for anyone to go to one vs other.

- Same RM parent( a Dad)





But the eastern half of Viers Mill is within the Wheaton walk zone, so shouldn't be bussed to WJ.


You cannot expect perfection. There will always be some kids who can walk to one school but instead get bussed somewhere else.


But the whole point of option 4 is to prioritize proximity.

I guess they could have left Wheaton HS even more overcrowded than they did in Option 4. Is that what you want?


No one cares about wheaton or dcc. Woodward was created for WJ.


WJ parent here, and no it isn't. Woodward was renovated and reopened to relieve overcrowding at WJ and DCC, primarily Einstein.

The boundary assessment, along with the one for Crown, should, for all schools included:
-Relieve overcrowding (including accounting for all the building in the pipeline, so none of these schools is overcrowded in 5-7-10 years)
-Balance
the 4 FAA priorities, not focusing on any one of them
-Get rid of split articulation where it currently exists and not create more of it
-Balance school assignments so none have significant FARMs rates
-Create school assignments where kids who could walk to one school would not need to get bussed elsewhere





+1

Woodward was a solution for WJ and DCC over crowding. It was not just for WJ. Anyway, any resource is for entire MCPS and it does not belong to one or two schools.

Hopefully, we pick a good boundary.

- RM parent


Its primarily for WJ. Lets be real. The DCC needs another school in lower DCC near DC, not going to happen.


There may be a need for another school near DC but it factually innaccurate to say repeatedly that Woodward is for WJ only and that DCC is ignored. The fact is Woodward is built and is opening and students from outside the current WJ boundary will attend.


Multiple DCC schools will share the same number as wj. That speaks volumes.


Does it? Given Woodward's proximity to WJ and distance from most DCC schools it makes sense. Don't forget about the additions at Kennedy (recent) and Northwood (ongoing) that will give some extra space closer to the DCC schools.
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Anonymous wrote:I am a huge fan of Charlie Munger( who was a partner of Warren Buffett and recently passed away). He has changed my life. One of the mental model he taught me is that instead of trying to pick the best outcome, we are better off by making sure to avoid bad outcomes first. I manage an investment partnership and I use that model to avoid poor investments first before thinking about how much returns I will make.


Both may sound the same but they are very different. We shouldn't pick modified option 4 or any modification trying to maximine one things. We should first see if we are creating big negative in any option and try to avoid those big negatives. Once we can avoid big negatives then we should pick the best from left over options.

Modified option 4 avoids any big negative. We should try to find more alternatives which avoids big negative. Once we have few of them then pick the best among that.

Now next question some one may ask, what are big negatives in trying to make a boundary.

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Big negatives Just my opinion)

Leaving schools over capacity like 110% or something similar while some empty seats are there in other place. It should be a big NO.

Bussing kids long distance when they have a short walk like 5-10 minutes. It should be a big NO.

Bussing anyone for more than 20 minutes bus rides. It should be a big NO.

Creating a much lower and higher FARMS rate schools when schools are very close to each other. it should be a big NO.

Creating split articulation twice for the same set of kids. It should be a big NO.

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I listed whatever came in my mind. Collectively we can try to list more big negatives and try to avoid them as mush as possible. Some time it may not be possible to avoid all of them but we should attempt to do that. After that we may be left with some potential options for boundaries and no matter which one gets picked, collectively our county will be better off, MCPS will be better off and our next generation will be better off.

I feel we missed a trick big time here and our hands are tied due to not looking ES boundaries at the same time. By looking at ES, we could have avoided the split articulation problem.

Anyway, I feel modified option 4 is one candidate. By putting entire VM to WJ, I was also trying to avoid split articulation.

We should try to find more modified options which avoids big negatives. Once we have few of them then no matter which one we pick as a final option, colllectively we will be better off.

We are not going to find a perfect solution, but we can attempt to pick something with the least amount of big flaws.

Happy fathers day to all Dads!

- RM parent


Happy Father's Day, RM parent. I appreciate the actual problem-solving and intellectualism you're bringing to this, and wish I could contribute more. We moved to the area 3 years ago and I don't know the geography well. What I can offer regarding your "avoid the most negative outcomes" approach is that I think you pretty much have them covered. The only other one I can think of is disrupting people's lives for an effect that never materializes.

Option 3 is clearly very disruptive for a lot of people. What if it's not even effective... what if the assumptions it's built on (where people currently live and will live, how bussing impacts kids and communities, etc.) are wrong enough that it would mean disruption for.... nothing?


this exactly.
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