Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a difference between Hamas and Palestinians? If the majority is against Hamas, they can easily remove them from leadership positions. They can easily take them out; I have yet to hear an escaped Palestinian say how they hate Hamas.

So you believe collective punishment is warranted then. That"s a horrifying position.

serious question - is this your first time contemplating the horrors of war? did you grow up without access to history books, novels, movies, other people, or any other sources or information

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Anonymous wrote:People in Gaza can turn over all the Hamas fighters; they choose not to as those people are their family.

To whom?

Holding white flags and surrendering to the IDF hasn’t proven a safe option.

Says who? I need a real independent witness that I can trust, such as a CIA agent or State Department officer, to come here and tell me what they saw with their own eyes.

Says the IDF when three Israeli hostages approached them shirtless and with a
white flag?

“The three young hostages, shirtless and holding the makeshift white flag, exited a nearby building, the Israeli military said, citing a preliminary investigation. One of the Israeli soldiers, mistaking them for a threat, opened fire, killing two of them and wounding the third, according to the military.

The third hostage fled into the building, from which a cry in Hebrew for help could be heard. The battalion commander ordered the forces to hold their fire. But the wounded hostage later re-emerged, after which he was fatally shot, the military said.”

And you think some random Gazans would fare better?

When you are in a war zone where terrorists use their horrific tactics, I would not trust a white flag. I would be yelling at the top of my lungs that I am a Jew! Plus, Israel admitted doing this; what is it within you that doesn't understand the brutality of war? If you think someone will shoot you, what would you do?

This is why I don’t think Gazans are going to be turning their family members in to the IDF even if they want to— it’s just asking for everyone in the story to be killed.

Hence, the issue at hand, which you pointed out, is that you seem unaware of your logic and unable to follow what your brain is telling you. What is the difference between innocent Gazans and Hamas? If you are in Hitler's circle, how innocent were you?

You need to read threads in their entirety.

Someone posited that Gazans should just “turn in” their Hamas relatives. As though there is a professional authority to whom they could do so.

So, if every Muslim family in Gaza has a family member who is a Hamas fighter, what does that make those families? Do I have to lead you every step to the logical conclusion?

It’s not that simple. Hamas is not even native to Gaza. The top brass of Hamas were all Palestinians born or raised in Lebanon and the ideologues were from the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

The genesis of Hamas is the Sabra and the Shatila massacre of 1982 .

Many Hamas are from the West Bank and Israel and speak Hebrew fluently .

To punish Gazans solely for Hamas is not accurate and Israel knows this which is why they take vengeance on the West Bank and Lebanon as well .

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a difference between Hamas and Palestinians? If the majority is against Hamas, they can easily remove them from leadership positions. They can easily take them out; I have yet to hear an escaped Palestinian say how they hate Hamas.

So you believe collective punishment is warranted then. That"s a horrifying position.

serious question - is this your first time contemplating the horrors of war? did you grow up without access to history books, novels, movies, other people, or any other sources or information

Serious question - are you a troll or just an idiot?

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Says who? I need a real independent witness that I can trust, such as a CIA agent or State Department officer, to come here and tell me what they saw with their own eyes.

Oi oi oi. A CIA agent or a State Department officer is an "independent" trustworthy witness?

You've reached a dizzying level of sheep.

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Palestinians want to kill all Israelis and Israelis want to kill all Palestinians. The both think they have Reasons. This won't be changing anytime soon.

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IDF blowing up a booby-trapped tunnel in Khan Yunis with a Massive Explosion. How many billions did these weird weirdo terrorists spend on this death cult stuff over the years? Gotta be Well into the Billions. Sad. What a hellhole.

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ZAKA is not a trustworthy organization. Their primary motivation is fundraising. They are on the extremist side of religious and have no coronary training. Their former leader is a rapist known as Israel's Jeffrey Epstein.

Landau in particular is a proven liar.

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Israel air strikes in Syria reported this day. Something interesting going on with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a difference between Hamas and Palestinians? If the majority is against Hamas, they can easily remove them from leadership positions. They can easily take them out; I have yet to hear an escaped Palestinian say how they hate Hamas.

So you believe collective punishment is warranted then. That"s a horrifying position.

serious question - is this your first time contemplating the horrors of war? did you grow up without access to history books, novels, movies, other people, or any other sources or information

Does "Never Again" only apply to Jewish people? I grew up thinking it meant that as a global community, we would never allow a Shoah to happen to any group. But it seems like shrugging off innocent civilians deaths in this conflict is really easy for you. I don't understand why.

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We, as in allies, collectively punished Germans and even Austrians. Did we worry about kids when Allies bombed the hell out of Germany?
Did we worry when allies bombed major cities in countries that fought against Nazis as they had German military presence in those cities?
Did we worry when our drones killed innocent bystanders?
Did we worry when some million (estimated only) Vietnamese were killed in Vietnam? Many women and children.
Did we worry when we dropped the nuclear bomb?
Did we worry about those innocents killed in these military operations?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a difference between Hamas and Palestinians? If the majority is against Hamas, they can easily remove them from leadership positions. They can easily take them out; I have yet to hear an escaped Palestinian say how they hate Hamas.

So you believe collective punishment is warranted then. That"s a horrifying position.

serious question - is this your first time contemplating the horrors of war? did you grow up without access to history books, novels, movies, other people, or any other sources or information

Does "Never Again" only apply to Jewish people? I grew up thinking it meant that as a global community, we would never allow a Shoah to happen to any group. But it seems like shrugging off innocent civilians deaths in this conflict is really easy for you. I don't understand why.

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I don’t understand why there’s so much more emphasis on civilian deaths in this conflict than in prior conflicts.

Assume roughly 15k civilian deaths in Gaza.

Compare to other/prior conflicts both as an absolute number and as a combatant/civilian ratio.

It’s interesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We, as in allies, collectively punished Germans and even Austrians. Did we worry about kids when Allies bombed the hell out of Germany?
Did we worry when allies bombed major cities in countries that fought against Nazis as they had German military presence in those cities?
Did we worry when our drones killed innocent bystanders?
Did we worry when some million (estimated only) Vietnamese were killed in Vietnam? Many women and children.
Did we worry when we dropped the nuclear bomb?
Did we worry about those innocents killed in these military operations?

Did we learn anything about being bloodthirsty, vindictive a$$-holes?

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Anonymous wrote:Why is liberal media reporting only Israel's evil deeds?
How is it ok to omit all the Hamas and Palestinians' wrongdoings?

October 7 atrocities received a lot of press and they still do. Did you miss all the reporting on it?

Yes, I do not see where news reported that Hamas did not allow people to cross into Israel, even those U.S. citizens stuck in Gaza. I did not see reports that Egypt would not open the border to allow people to escape. I miss all of those. And clearly, a lot of antisemites do not get that news.

I'm 100% sure it was Israel that did not allow people to cross into Israel.

LOL! Were you on the ground there? Sure, I'll take your word instead of those who were there to help U.S. citizens.

Israel was allowing people from Gaza to enter Israel? Where did you hear this from?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a difference between Hamas and Palestinians? If the majority is against Hamas, they can easily remove them from leadership positions. They can easily take them out; I have yet to hear an escaped Palestinian say how they hate Hamas.

So you believe collective punishment is warranted then. That"s a horrifying position.

serious question - is this your first time contemplating the horrors of war? did you grow up without access to history books, novels, movies, other people, or any other sources or information

Does "Never Again" only apply to Jewish people? I grew up thinking it meant that as a global community, we would never allow a Shoah to happen to any group. But it seems like shrugging off innocent civilians deaths in this conflict is really easy for you. I don't understand why.

DP.

I don’t understand why there’s so much more emphasis on civilian deaths in this conflict than in prior conflicts.

Assume roughly 15k civilian deaths in Gaza.

Compare to other/prior conflicts both as an absolute number and as a combatant/civilian ratio.

It’s interesting.

I guess the expectation is that because it's 2023, and because we know the U.S. armaments in this conflict are state-of-the-art, the precision of the war would be much more efficient than, say, the Civil War or WWI or WWII, etc. So it's difficult to understand how there's a fair comparison there.

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Anonymous wrote:I see the New York Times has finally belatedly acknowledged that Hamas used horrific sexual violence against Israeli women on 10/7, though I assume that does not matter to the Hamas supporters here who denied the rapes occurred because there weren’t rape kits or whatever, just extremely graphic and extremely obvious videos.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

I assume HRW and UN Women and all those supposed human rights organizations are still silent on the matter of Israeli women being sexually tortured by Hamas, but my standards for them are so low now that it’s not a surprise.

Israel had never sent UN Women the notification needed for them to open an investigation. Which makes the complaints just another bad faith accusation.

This is surely a comment motivated by the best, purest faith.

It is. The lack of response from UN Women, which has a whole program specifically focused on the horrors of sexual violence in war, was very disturbing. That is until it turned out that Israel never took the basic steps to trigger an investigation and their hands were tied. The propaganda war against the UN by Israel is bad for the world. That they have undertaken, at least part of, it in bad faith is a shame.

To be clear, I am talking about the Government of Israel and not the regular people that amplify these messages. While we wouldn't know about the bureaucratic procedures of obscure UN agencies the Israeli Mission to the UN would.

UN Women regularly issues tweets, statements, etc. condemning sexual violence against women worldwide without the targets having triggered or requested an investigation. You of course know this. But in this case, the organization has been silent, and we all know why. You are just defending overt antisemitism from a corrupt organization.

I’m not Jewish or remotely tied to Israel and am critical of many aspects of the Israeli response, but I also think that the silence from the UN Women is inexcusable. I’ve certainly lost any faith I used to have in the UN. Their silence in the face of the sexual torture faced by the 10/7 victims is appalling, full stop.

No. That's not true. I actually know the people there.

“The Times viewed photographs of one woman’s corpse that emergency responders discovered in the rubble of a besieged kibbutz with dozens of nails driven into her thighs and groin.

The Times also viewed a video, provided by the Israeli military, showing two dead Israeli soldiers at a base near Gaza who appeared to have been shot directly in their vaginas.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html?mwgrp=c-mbar&unlocked_article_code=1.Jk0.pz2_.1uF1rWfzPtEo&hpgrp=ar-abar&smid=url-share

Free Palestine, right?

Not something the UN cares about. The dead woman with nails in her genitalia was Jewish.