Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

I am glad Israel, our ally, has weapons to protect their citizens.
The only reason there is Israel in the Middle East is because European leaders wanted Jews out of Europe. Jews in Europe looked to buy land in Europe, which was not acceptable to European leaders who were antisemites, so they pawned their problem to the Middle East.
But now the Jewish nation has weapons to stand for itself despite being subjected to horrific hate here on DCUM!

[Anonymous]

Why do you care about people dying in Gaza? Why did you not care about 300K Iraqis dead at the hands and proxies of the U.S. military?

[Anonymous]

It amazes me how stupid people here are. Well, you all bought into Hamas propaganda, like many in Russia are buying into Putin's propaganda. Putin, the savior of Europe from Nazis! Evil Russia, evil Israel, you are completely lacking a single brain cell.

[Anonymous]

People in Gaza can turn over all the Hamas fighters; they choose not to as those people are their family.

[Anonymous]

Why would Egypt take on People from Gaza and give away their land? That is the same as when nobody in Europe wanted to give Jewish people even an acre of land.
And no, Jews in Europe could not own land, FYI.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That’s fine I’m ok with different definitions of bad guys.

To your experiment, it would depend on who the 20 Hamas Fighters are. Sinwar and 19 friends? Yeah. The death of the 40 civilians credibly saves the lives of thousands. He’s credibly believed to have directed October 7. That’s tragic but proportionate. Similarly— 20 people who participated in Oct 7? Probably proportionate.

20 nobody rock throwers that can’t even for sure be linked to Hamas? 20 men of “fighting age”? No, that’s neither legitimate nor appropriate.

Of course the Hamas Ministry of Health will claim that all 20 were civilians, and children most of them. A 17-18 year old can be an accomplished and motivated fighter, and we all know that Hamas has indoctrination down to a science.

Absolutely they can. They can also be a high school kid. An anime nerd. A soccer star. Every time you get it wrong you cement the international idea of brutality, and convince the population of Gaza that you’re coming for their high school students.

Because really don’t think anyone cares that they *wanted* to get the accomplished and motivated fighter when the anime nerd never sees his eighteenth birthday.

I think you're trying to live in a world where the anime nerd is never the terrorist. People in Memphis, TN used to live in that world too. My point: one of the true tragedies here is the stuff that twists people to commit these kinds of atrocities. You keep trying to make this black and white because it's the only way your mind can process it.

Actually it’s basic math. The newspaper reporting is that there are approximately 30,000 Hamas fighters in Gaza. There are 1,000,000 Gazans under 18.

The anime nerd is statistically an anime nerd.

Every one of those Hamas fighters is some mother's son. Every one of them had hopes and dreams beyond becoming a terrorist. They had the same aspirations as the innocents they hide among. There's no statistical limit on the number of anime nerds or soccer fans in either population. That's the part I think you're being deliberately obtuse about, even as you try and say Israel is worse: every one of those fighters is or can be a monster--but they were once more. Maybe, given time, some of them could be again.

That doesn't mean they should get clemency. Quite the opposite. But you need to understand, again, this horror is a lot more complicated than paper good and evil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It amazes me how stupid people here are. Well, you all bought into Hamas propaganda, like many in Russia are buying into Putin's propaganda. Putin, the savior of Europe from Nazis! Evil Russia, evil Israel, you are completely lacking a single brain cell.

Actually Israel is out there right now doing Putins job for him. War crimes in Ukraine will get “what about that War crimes in Gaza you didn’t care about?” and the U.S is losing credibility with the Western allies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/22/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza-ukraine.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People in Gaza can turn over all the Hamas fighters; they choose not to as those people are their family.

To whom?

Holding white flags and surrendering to the IDF hasn’t proven a safe option.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People in Gaza can turn over all the Hamas fighters; they choose not to as those people are their family.

To whom?

Holding white flags and surrendering to the IDF hasn’t proven a safe option.

Says who? I need a real independent witness that I can trust, such as a CIA agent or State Department officer, to come here and tell me what they saw with their own eyes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It amazes me how stupid people here are. Well, you all bought into Hamas propaganda, like many in Russia are buying into Putin's propaganda. Putin, the savior of Europe from Nazis! Evil Russia, evil Israel, you are completely lacking a single brain cell.

And I bet you refer to the West Bank as Judea and Samaria lol.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People in Gaza can turn over all the Hamas fighters; they choose not to as those people are their family.

To whom?

Holding white flags and surrendering to the IDF hasn’t proven a safe option.

Says who? I need a real independent witness that I can trust, such as a CIA agent or State Department officer, to come here and tell me what they saw with their own eyes.

Says the IDF when three Israeli hostages approached them shirtless and with a
white flag?

“The three young hostages, shirtless and holding the makeshift white flag, exited a nearby building, the Israeli military said, citing a preliminary investigation. One of the Israeli soldiers, mistaking them for a threat, opened fire, killing two of them and wounding the third, according to the military.

The third hostage fled into the building, from which a cry in Hebrew for help could be heard. The battalion commander ordered the forces to hold their fire. But the wounded hostage later re-emerged, after which he was fatally shot, the military said.”

And you think some random Gazans would fare better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People in Gaza can turn over all the Hamas fighters; they choose not to as those people are their family.

To whom?

Holding white flags and surrendering to the IDF hasn’t proven a safe option.

Says who? I need a real independent witness that I can trust, such as a CIA agent or State Department officer, to come here and tell me what they saw with their own eyes.

Says the IDF when three Israeli hostages approached them shirtless and with a
white flag?

“The three young hostages, shirtless and holding the makeshift white flag, exited a nearby building, the Israeli military said, citing a preliminary investigation. One of the Israeli soldiers, mistaking them for a threat, opened fire, killing two of them and wounding the third, according to the military.

The third hostage fled into the building, from which a cry in Hebrew for help could be heard. The battalion commander ordered the forces to hold their fire. But the wounded hostage later re-emerged, after which he was fatally shot, the military said.”

And you think some random Gazans would fare better?

When you are in a war zone where terrorists use their horrific tactics, I would not trust a white flag. I would be yelling at the top of my lungs that I am a Jew! Plus, Israel admitted doing this; what is it within you that doesn't understand the brutality of war? If you think someone will shoot you, what would you do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People in Gaza can turn over all the Hamas fighters; they choose not to as those people are their family.

To whom?

Holding white flags and surrendering to the IDF hasn’t proven a safe option.

Says who? I need a real independent witness that I can trust, such as a CIA agent or State Department officer, to come here and tell me what they saw with their own eyes.

Says the IDF when three Israeli hostages approached them shirtless and with a
white flag?

“The three young hostages, shirtless and holding the makeshift white flag, exited a nearby building, the Israeli military said, citing a preliminary investigation. One of the Israeli soldiers, mistaking them for a threat, opened fire, killing two of them and wounding the third, according to the military.

The third hostage fled into the building, from which a cry in Hebrew for help could be heard. The battalion commander ordered the forces to hold their fire. But the wounded hostage later re-emerged, after which he was fatally shot, the military said.”

And you think some random Gazans would fare better?

When you are in a war zone where terrorists use their horrific tactics, I would not trust a white flag. I would be yelling at the top of my lungs that I am a Jew! Plus, Israel admitted doing this; what is it within you that doesn't understand the brutality of war? If you think someone will shoot you, what would you do?

This is why I don’t think Gazans are going to be turning their family members in to the IDF even if they want to— it’s just asking for everyone in the story to be killed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It amazes me how stupid people here are. Well, you all bought into Hamas propaganda, like many in Russia are buying into Putin's propaganda. Putin, the savior of Europe from Nazis! Evil Russia, evil Israel, you are completely lacking a single brain cell.

And I bet you refer to the West Bank as Judea and Samaria lol.

I am a historian, so possibly. And as an academic historian, I know why you are vilifying Jews. You do not know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People in Gaza can turn over all the Hamas fighters; they choose not to as those people are their family.

To whom?

Holding white flags and surrendering to the IDF hasn’t proven a safe option.

Says who? I need a real independent witness that I can trust, such as a CIA agent or State Department officer, to come here and tell me what they saw with their own eyes.

Says the IDF when three Israeli hostages approached them shirtless and with a
white flag?

“The three young hostages, shirtless and holding the makeshift white flag, exited a nearby building, the Israeli military said, citing a preliminary investigation. One of the Israeli soldiers, mistaking them for a threat, opened fire, killing two of them and wounding the third, according to the military.

The third hostage fled into the building, from which a cry in Hebrew for help could be heard. The battalion commander ordered the forces to hold their fire. But the wounded hostage later re-emerged, after which he was fatally shot, the military said.”

And you think some random Gazans would fare better?

When you are in a war zone where terrorists use their horrific tactics, I would not trust a white flag. I would be yelling at the top of my lungs that I am a Jew! Plus, Israel admitted doing this; what is it within you that doesn't understand the brutality of war? If you think someone will shoot you, what would you do?

This is why I don’t think Gazans are going to be turning their family members in to the IDF even if they want to— it’s just asking for everyone in the story to be killed.

Hence, the issue at hand, which you pointed out, is that you seem unaware of your logic and unable to follow what your brain is telling you. What is the difference between innocent Gazans and Hamas? If you are in Hitler's circle, how innocent were you?