Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

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Anonymous wrote:There are reports out there now that the NATO plan was based on assumption that Russia had a half decent military they would take Ukraine in a couple weeks; and a garrison of 500k soldiers would be required to stay indefinitely to pacify the country.

The original plan was to fund the insurgency and bankrupt Russia in 3 years.

This version looks like it will take more than 3 years, but kill a lot more Russians than planned….so everything works out!

If NATO was counting on Russians going insurgent against Russia, then they've become mentally broken by Iraq.

Russians are like a frog in a pot of water that's been put on the stove. By the time they figure out that they should have done something it will be too late.

For now they continue to stick their heads in the sand, and listen to the lies, oblivious to all of the wreckage being done to Russia by Putin's continued deranged pursuit of this war.

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Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.

I'm not worried at all.

Sure, they can buy off the corrupt government heads with hookers and money, but that will be similar to their relationship with Saudi Arabia - a marriage of convenience that ends in divorce when the water gets too hot.

It will give the Africans time to really get to know Russians well. The average ultranationalist supporting the government is exceptionally xenophobic and unconditionally racist. My guess is that some FSB agent or cop will see a black diplomat on the street, not realize they're a dignitary and treat them exactly the way the other 0.04% of blacks are treated in Russia. It will be a 'warm welcome' I'm sure. In the end, I think the Russian government will drive their own wedge between themselves and Africa.

LOL you say this like thousands of Africans haven't been educated in Russia over the last fifty years. They've experienced life on the Russian streets in full, and yet lived to tell the tale, and somehow retained a warm affection for the country.

Thirty thousand African students are enrolled in higher education programs in Russia today.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1131857/number-of-african-students-in-russia-by-country/

The US has tens of thousands of African students too. Interesting that hardly any of Russia's African students ever bother to stay in Russia, or to come back to Russia after finishing their studies. Russia's population is only 0.06% African origin, only around 90,000 total, including your 30,000 students. Compare that to to 2.1 million African immigrants living in the US. Russia goes through the motions with its legacy Soviet-era student program, but is NOT that attractive to Africans.

Are African students in the US studying on an all-expenses-paid program?

Russian education programs for the African students are explicitly designed for these students to return home so their communities can benefit from their expertise. (Which is exactly the purpose for the multiple US scholarship program like FUllbright and Muskie, where beneficiaries are legally required to return to their home country for at least 2 years).

I am sure you realize that historically there is no native African population in Russia. A bit disingenuous to compare that to the African immigrant community in the US.

No dear, you misread. There are 2.1 million African-born immigrants in the US. As in, not born in the US and came to the US. In addition to the African-Americans. Thus your excuse for why there aren't more Africans in Russia is a failure.

Does Russia need an excuse for not having enough Africans? It's not an immigration state like America is, for better or worse. There isn't any organic reason for there to be a sizable African community in Russia.

FAIL. What you mean to say is that Russia is racist, does not like Africans, and the only reason they do things like pay Africans to go to college in Russia is for performative reasons to try and use it to expand their sphere of influence. But the Africans who've actually done it, experienced the "streets of Russia" for themselves see right through it, they see that they are unwelcome in Russia, and for that reason, do not choose to stay.

If there isn't an "organic reason" for Africans to be in Russia, then there isn't an organic reason for anyone to be there.

Would you say the same thing to, like, Iceland? Their African population is probably negligible.

Every foreign student who elects not to stay is doing it because they feel unwelcome? Hmmm. You think immigration laws have nothing to do with that? You have magic powers that see into the hearts of men and discern the reasons they do things? Okay. I suggest you take steps to monetize them. Magic powers are fleeting!

On second thought though, do continue. Never change. I'm just gonna sit here and enjoy the delicious irony of America accusing other countries of racism. While you ponder your next tirade, I'm gonna switch to the DCPS section and enjoy the hand-wringing about "school quality" and lottery agony by way of illustrations to the racism conundrum. Please do come up with something fresh in the meantime.

Why are you here? All you do is bash and accuse America of hypocrisy, racism, whatever else. It's clear you hate America. And you're probably also the same poster who has repeatedly talked about how much x costs in back home in a Russian supermarket, and who was whining that you have a Russian family member "suffering" because they are named on a sanctions list for supporting the war in Ukraine. So why are you even here at all, in this country that you spew so much bile and hatred for? If Russia is so great and wonderful and America is so awful, how about you go there, and leave the rest of us, who don't hate America, out of your delusional hateful diatribes?

(This is why, boys and girls, you can never have a sincere conversation with an American about America. It always comes to this. Always. Trust me on this. As an immigrant, there are certain things you are simply not allowed to say.)

Why am I here? I'm a DC area mom - just like you. This is a free forum.

I don't happen to hate America. There are many things here that are wonderful. America's foreign policy, though, is not one of them.

Do feel free to write to Jeff, though. Maybe he'd introduce a set of thought rules and principles one must embrace before posting here. Until then, I'm as free to post here as you are.

This is why you can't have a sincere conversation about Russia with you. It always comes to "What about America?" Always. Trust me on this.

You kinda walk into these things when you make sweeping statements like "don't invade other countries if you don't want bad things to happen to you!"

I mean, pot, meet kettle.

This was 100% a war of choice for Russia. Russia did not have to invade. Russia was under no credible threat. Russia had no business waging this war.

All consequences are thus on Russia.

And if you don't like it, complain to Putin. He could end this conflict tomorrow, by ordering a complete withdrawal and return to 1991 borders. The longer he refuses to do that, the more Russia brings suffering and consequences upon itself.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like Ukraine has committed its forces in the southeast. Hopefully there's a breakthrough

Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.

I'm not worried at all.

Sure, they can buy off the corrupt government heads with hookers and money, but that will be similar to their relationship with Saudi Arabia - a marriage of convenience that ends in divorce when the water gets too hot.

It will give the Africans time to really get to know Russians well. The average ultranationalist supporting the government is exceptionally xenophobic and unconditionally racist. My guess is that some FSB agent or cop will see a black diplomat on the street, not realize they're a dignitary and treat them exactly the way the other 0.04% of blacks are treated in Russia. It will be a 'warm welcome' I'm sure. In the end, I think the Russian government will drive their own wedge between themselves and Africa.

LOL you say this like thousands of Africans haven't been educated in Russia over the last fifty years. They've experienced life on the Russian streets in full, and yet lived to tell the tale, and somehow retained a warm affection for the country.

Thirty thousand African students are enrolled in higher education programs in Russia today.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1131857/number-of-african-students-in-russia-by-country/

The US has tens of thousands of African students too. Interesting that hardly any of Russia's African students ever bother to stay in Russia, or to come back to Russia after finishing their studies. Russia's population is only 0.06% African origin, only around 90,000 total, including your 30,000 students. Compare that to to 2.1 million African immigrants living in the US. Russia goes through the motions with its legacy Soviet-era student program, but is NOT that attractive to Africans.

Are African students in the US studying on an all-expenses-paid program?

Russian education programs for the African students are explicitly designed for these students to return home so their communities can benefit from their expertise. (Which is exactly the purpose for the multiple US scholarship program like FUllbright and Muskie, where beneficiaries are legally required to return to their home country for at least 2 years).

I am sure you realize that historically there is no native African population in Russia. A bit disingenuous to compare that to the African immigrant community in the US.

No dear, you misread. There are 2.1 million African-born immigrants in the US. As in, not born in the US and came to the US. In addition to the African-Americans. Thus your excuse for why there aren't more Africans in Russia is a failure.

Does Russia need an excuse for not having enough Africans? It's not an immigration state like America is, for better or worse. There isn't any organic reason for there to be a sizable African community in Russia.

FAIL. What you mean to say is that Russia is racist, does not like Africans, and the only reason they do things like pay Africans to go to college in Russia is for performative reasons to try and use it to expand their sphere of influence. But the Africans who've actually done it, experienced the "streets of Russia" for themselves see right through it, they see that they are unwelcome in Russia, and for that reason, do not choose to stay.

If there isn't an "organic reason" for Africans to be in Russia, then there isn't an organic reason for anyone to be there.

Would you say the same thing to, like, Iceland? Their African population is probably negligible.

Every foreign student who elects not to stay is doing it because they feel unwelcome? Hmmm. You think immigration laws have nothing to do with that? You have magic powers that see into the hearts of men and discern the reasons they do things? Okay. I suggest you take steps to monetize them. Magic powers are fleeting!

On second thought though, do continue. Never change. I'm just gonna sit here and enjoy the delicious irony of America accusing other countries of racism. While you ponder your next tirade, I'm gonna switch to the DCPS section and enjoy the hand-wringing about "school quality" and lottery agony by way of illustrations to the racism conundrum. Please do come up with something fresh in the meantime.

Why are you here? All you do is bash and accuse America of hypocrisy, racism, whatever else. It's clear you hate America. And you're probably also the same poster who has repeatedly talked about how much x costs in back home in a Russian supermarket, and who was whining that you have a Russian family member "suffering" because they are named on a sanctions list for supporting the war in Ukraine. So why are you even here at all, in this country that you spew so much bile and hatred for? If Russia is so great and wonderful and America is so awful, how about you go there, and leave the rest of us, who don't hate America, out of your delusional hateful diatribes?

(This is why, boys and girls, you can never have a sincere conversation with an American about America. It always comes to this. Always. Trust me on this. As an immigrant, there are certain things you are simply not allowed to say.)

Why am I here? I'm a DC area mom - just like you. This is a free forum.

I don't happen to hate America. There are many things here that are wonderful. America's foreign policy, though, is not one of them.

Do feel free to write to Jeff, though. Maybe he'd introduce a set of thought rules and principles one must embrace before posting here. Until then, I'm as free to post here as you are.

This is why you can't have a sincere conversation about Russia with you. It always comes to "What about America?" Always. Trust me on this.

You kinda walk into these things when you make sweeping statements like "don't invade other countries if you don't want bad things to happen to you!"

I mean, pot, meet kettle.

This was 100% a war of choice for Russia. Russia did not have to invade. Russia was under no credible threat. Russia had no business waging this war.

All consequences are thus on Russia.

And if you don't like it, complain to Putin. He could end this conflict tomorrow, by ordering a complete withdrawal and return to 1991 borders. The longer he refuses to do that, the more Russia brings suffering and consequences upon itself.

Every word of this was true for the Iraq invasion, no? Pot, meet kettle.

I'm sure there's a point in there somewhere.

No point, the Russian troll just likes responding to literally everything with an insipid and whiny Peewee Herman style "I know you are, but what am I" 🤡

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Anonymous wrote:There are reports out there now that the NATO plan was based on assumption that Russia had a half decent military they would take Ukraine in a couple weeks; and a garrison of 500k soldiers would be required to stay indefinitely to pacify the country.

The original plan was to fund the insurgency and bankrupt Russia in 3 years.

This version looks like it will take more than 3 years, but kill a lot more Russians than planned….so everything works out!

If NATO was counting on Russians going insurgent against Russia, then they've become mentally broken by Iraq.

Ukrainians going insurgent against Russians.

But NATO got super lucky with a full on war killing thousands of Russians. NATO over achieved on this one. Can you even guess how many Russians have died, or lost limbs, or have mental/brain injuries from this war?

It is like a gift that keeps on giving.

Imagine that number and then add “Ukrainians”. They died too.

Yeah, the Ukrainians who were just living in their country and got invaded.
Russia is murdering lots of them, it sucks.

But super fun to watch videos and images of the Russian casualties. I am sure Russia enjoyed American losses in our wars - but Russia is soooooo much better at getting their soldiers killed and stuff blown up. Way more content. Russia is like the new Netflix for combat videos and what “not to do” to win a war. It is like one one ongoing epic fail.

Hilarious!

My poor sweet child, you’re a perfect consumer for these videos and you don’t even realize it. You’re like an uncompensated focus group. Not even a plate of stale cookies and a glass of juice made from concentrate.

Yeah, but I mean…isn’t that what PP said? I enjoy them too. There’s going to be a lot more coming out over the next two weeks.

It’s not what PP said…it’s what it says about PP. He’s like a kid at the checkout counter next to the crappiest candy placed at his eye level for a reason.

The Russian military is crappy; sure. But the videos of their soldiers being left behind when they fall off a vehicle (and then the vehicle that left him behind gets blown up) or the one when the boat takes off, soldier was not ready and falls in the water and the solider swims almost to shore but dies feet from the bank from the weight of his gear are classics!

Russians in combat could be almost as lucrative as the female Russian porn producers.

Downside is the combat stars seem to only make one video.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like Ukraine has committed its forces in the southeast. Hopefully there's a breakthrough

Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.

I'm not worried at all.

Sure, they can buy off the corrupt government heads with hookers and money, but that will be similar to their relationship with Saudi Arabia - a marriage of convenience that ends in divorce when the water gets too hot.

It will give the Africans time to really get to know Russians well. The average ultranationalist supporting the government is exceptionally xenophobic and unconditionally racist. My guess is that some FSB agent or cop will see a black diplomat on the street, not realize they're a dignitary and treat them exactly the way the other 0.04% of blacks are treated in Russia. It will be a 'warm welcome' I'm sure. In the end, I think the Russian government will drive their own wedge between themselves and Africa.

LOL you say this like thousands of Africans haven't been educated in Russia over the last fifty years. They've experienced life on the Russian streets in full, and yet lived to tell the tale, and somehow retained a warm affection for the country.

Thirty thousand African students are enrolled in higher education programs in Russia today.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1131857/number-of-african-students-in-russia-by-country/

The US has tens of thousands of African students too. Interesting that hardly any of Russia's African students ever bother to stay in Russia, or to come back to Russia after finishing their studies. Russia's population is only 0.06% African origin, only around 90,000 total, including your 30,000 students. Compare that to to 2.1 million African immigrants living in the US. Russia goes through the motions with its legacy Soviet-era student program, but is NOT that attractive to Africans.

Are African students in the US studying on an all-expenses-paid program?

Russian education programs for the African students are explicitly designed for these students to return home so their communities can benefit from their expertise. (Which is exactly the purpose for the multiple US scholarship program like FUllbright and Muskie, where beneficiaries are legally required to return to their home country for at least 2 years).

I am sure you realize that historically there is no native African population in Russia. A bit disingenuous to compare that to the African immigrant community in the US.

No dear, you misread. There are 2.1 million African-born immigrants in the US. As in, not born in the US and came to the US. In addition to the African-Americans. Thus your excuse for why there aren't more Africans in Russia is a failure.

Does Russia need an excuse for not having enough Africans? It's not an immigration state like America is, for better or worse. There isn't any organic reason for there to be a sizable African community in Russia.

FAIL. What you mean to say is that Russia is racist, does not like Africans, and the only reason they do things like pay Africans to go to college in Russia is for performative reasons to try and use it to expand their sphere of influence. But the Africans who've actually done it, experienced the "streets of Russia" for themselves see right through it, they see that they are unwelcome in Russia, and for that reason, do not choose to stay.

If there isn't an "organic reason" for Africans to be in Russia, then there isn't an organic reason for anyone to be there.

Would you say the same thing to, like, Iceland? Their African population is probably negligible.

Every foreign student who elects not to stay is doing it because they feel unwelcome? Hmmm. You think immigration laws have nothing to do with that? You have magic powers that see into the hearts of men and discern the reasons they do things? Okay. I suggest you take steps to monetize them. Magic powers are fleeting!

On second thought though, do continue. Never change. I'm just gonna sit here and enjoy the delicious irony of America accusing other countries of racism. While you ponder your next tirade, I'm gonna switch to the DCPS section and enjoy the hand-wringing about "school quality" and lottery agony by way of illustrations to the racism conundrum. Please do come up with something fresh in the meantime.

Why are you here? All you do is bash and accuse America of hypocrisy, racism, whatever else. It's clear you hate America. And you're probably also the same poster who has repeatedly talked about how much x costs in back home in a Russian supermarket, and who was whining that you have a Russian family member "suffering" because they are named on a sanctions list for supporting the war in Ukraine. So why are you even here at all, in this country that you spew so much bile and hatred for? If Russia is so great and wonderful and America is so awful, how about you go there, and leave the rest of us, who don't hate America, out of your delusional hateful diatribes?

(This is why, boys and girls, you can never have a sincere conversation with an American about America. It always comes to this. Always. Trust me on this. As an immigrant, there are certain things you are simply not allowed to say.)

Why am I here? I'm a DC area mom - just like you. This is a free forum.

I don't happen to hate America. There are many things here that are wonderful. America's foreign policy, though, is not one of them.

Do feel free to write to Jeff, though. Maybe he'd introduce a set of thought rules and principles one must embrace before posting here. Until then, I'm as free to post here as you are.

This is why you can't have a sincere conversation about Russia with you. It always comes to "What about America?" Always. Trust me on this.

You kinda walk into these things when you make sweeping statements like "don't invade other countries if you don't want bad things to happen to you!"

I mean, pot, meet kettle.

This was 100% a war of choice for Russia. Russia did not have to invade. Russia was under no credible threat. Russia had no business waging this war.

All consequences are thus on Russia.

And if you don't like it, complain to Putin. He could end this conflict tomorrow, by ordering a complete withdrawal and return to 1991 borders. The longer he refuses to do that, the more Russia brings suffering and consequences upon itself.

Every word of this was true for the Iraq invasion, no? Pot, meet kettle.

I'm sure there's a point in there somewhere.

No point, the Russian troll just likes responding to literally everything with an insipid and whiny Peewee Herman style "I know you are, but what am I" 🤡

But are you the pot...or the kettle? And have you actually met the other? The PP keeps referencing this meeting so trying to get to the bottom of it.

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The sweetest irony of all is that the only thing these obnoxious pro-Russia trolls have ever accomplished here on DCUM is to even further annoy and alienate Americans and turn them against Russia even harder.

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Anonymous wrote:The sweetest irony of all is that the only thing these obnoxious pro-Russia trolls have ever accomplished here on DCUM is to even further annoy and alienate Americans and turn them against Russia even harder.

When a poster's style is entirely based on "whaddabout", you know they don't have any good arguments or points to make.

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Anonymous wrote:The sweetest irony of all is that the only thing these obnoxious pro-Russia trolls have ever accomplished here on DCUM is to even further annoy and alienate Americans and turn them against Russia even harder.

Are you under the impression anyone is here to charm you?

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Anonymous wrote:There are reports out there now that the NATO plan was based on assumption that Russia had a half decent military they would take Ukraine in a couple weeks; and a garrison of 500k soldiers would be required to stay indefinitely to pacify the country.

The original plan was to fund the insurgency and bankrupt Russia in 3 years.

This version looks like it will take more than 3 years, but kill a lot more Russians than planned….so everything works out!

If NATO was counting on Russians going insurgent against Russia, then they've become mentally broken by Iraq.

Ukrainians going insurgent against Russians.

But NATO got super lucky with a full on war killing thousands of Russians. NATO over achieved on this one. Can you even guess how many Russians have died, or lost limbs, or have mental/brain injuries from this war?

It is like a gift that keeps on giving.

Imagine that number and then add “Ukrainians”. They died too.

Yeah, the Ukrainians who were just living in their country and got invaded.
Russia is murdering lots of them, it sucks.

But super fun to watch videos and images of the Russian casualties. I am sure Russia enjoyed American losses in our wars - but Russia is soooooo much better at getting their soldiers killed and stuff blown up. Way more content. Russia is like the new Netflix for combat videos and what “not to do” to win a war. It is like one one ongoing epic fail.

Hilarious!

My poor sweet child, you’re a perfect consumer for these videos and you don’t even realize it. You’re like an uncompensated focus group. Not even a plate of stale cookies and a glass of juice made from concentrate.

Yeah, but I mean…isn’t that what PP said? I enjoy them too. There’s going to be a lot more coming out over the next two weeks.

It’s not what PP said…it’s what it says about PP. He’s like a kid at the checkout counter next to the crappiest candy placed at his eye level for a reason.

The Russian military is crappy; sure. But the videos of their soldiers being left behind when they fall off a vehicle (and then the vehicle that left him behind gets blown up) or the one when the boat takes off, soldier was not ready and falls in the water and the solider swims almost to shore but dies feet from the bank from the weight of his gear are classics!

Russians in combat could be almost as lucrative as the female Russian porn producers.

Downside is the combat stars seem to only make one video.

You are going to be SO disappointed when you see the list of ingredients of these videos....almost as much as a kid reading the list of ingredients on a crappy candy wrapper...if that kid could read, that is.

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Anonymous wrote:The sweetest irony of all is that the only thing these obnoxious pro-Russia trolls have ever accomplished here on DCUM is to even further annoy and alienate Americans and turn them against Russia even harder.

Are you under the impression anyone is here to charm you?

Do tell - Just what is it, that you think you are successfully accomplishing with all your time spent here?

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Anonymous wrote:The sweetest irony of all is that the only thing these obnoxious pro-Russia trolls have ever accomplished here on DCUM is to even further annoy and alienate Americans and turn them against Russia even harder.

Are you under the impression anyone is here to charm you?

Do tell - Just what is it, that you think you are successfully accomplishing with all your time spent here?

Do people really have goals related to posting here? What do you think anyone in any thread here is trying to accomplish?

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Anonymous wrote:The sweetest irony of all is that the only thing these obnoxious pro-Russia trolls have ever accomplished here on DCUM is to even further annoy and alienate Americans and turn them against Russia even harder.

Are you under the impression anyone is here to charm you?

Do tell - Just what is it, that you think you are successfully accomplishing with all your time spent here?

Do people really have goals related to posting here? What do you think anyone in any thread here is trying to accomplish?

So... you just come here to repeatedly peddle failed talking points, annoy people, and make a clown of yourself?

Glad you've come to terms with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like Ukraine has committed its forces in the southeast. Hopefully there's a breakthrough

Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.

I'm not worried at all.

Sure, they can buy off the corrupt government heads with hookers and money, but that will be similar to their relationship with Saudi Arabia - a marriage of convenience that ends in divorce when the water gets too hot.

It will give the Africans time to really get to know Russians well. The average ultranationalist supporting the government is exceptionally xenophobic and unconditionally racist. My guess is that some FSB agent or cop will see a black diplomat on the street, not realize they're a dignitary and treat them exactly the way the other 0.04% of blacks are treated in Russia. It will be a 'warm welcome' I'm sure. In the end, I think the Russian government will drive their own wedge between themselves and Africa.

LOL you say this like thousands of Africans haven't been educated in Russia over the last fifty years. They've experienced life on the Russian streets in full, and yet lived to tell the tale, and somehow retained a warm affection for the country.

Thirty thousand African students are enrolled in higher education programs in Russia today.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1131857/number-of-african-students-in-russia-by-country/

The US has tens of thousands of African students too. Interesting that hardly any of Russia's African students ever bother to stay in Russia, or to come back to Russia after finishing their studies. Russia's population is only 0.06% African origin, only around 90,000 total, including your 30,000 students. Compare that to to 2.1 million African immigrants living in the US. Russia goes through the motions with its legacy Soviet-era student program, but is NOT that attractive to Africans.

Are African students in the US studying on an all-expenses-paid program?

Russian education programs for the African students are explicitly designed for these students to return home so their communities can benefit from their expertise. (Which is exactly the purpose for the multiple US scholarship program like FUllbright and Muskie, where beneficiaries are legally required to return to their home country for at least 2 years).

I am sure you realize that historically there is no native African population in Russia. A bit disingenuous to compare that to the African immigrant community in the US.

No dear, you misread. There are 2.1 million African-born immigrants in the US. As in, not born in the US and came to the US. In addition to the African-Americans. Thus your excuse for why there aren't more Africans in Russia is a failure.

Does Russia need an excuse for not having enough Africans? It's not an immigration state like America is, for better or worse. There isn't any organic reason for there to be a sizable African community in Russia.

FAIL. What you mean to say is that Russia is racist, does not like Africans, and the only reason they do things like pay Africans to go to college in Russia is for performative reasons to try and use it to expand their sphere of influence. But the Africans who've actually done it, experienced the "streets of Russia" for themselves see right through it, they see that they are unwelcome in Russia, and for that reason, do not choose to stay.

If there isn't an "organic reason" for Africans to be in Russia, then there isn't an organic reason for anyone to be there.

Would you say the same thing to, like, Iceland? Their African population is probably negligible.

Every foreign student who elects not to stay is doing it because they feel unwelcome? Hmmm. You think immigration laws have nothing to do with that? You have magic powers that see into the hearts of men and discern the reasons they do things? Okay. I suggest you take steps to monetize them. Magic powers are fleeting!

On second thought though, do continue. Never change. I'm just gonna sit here and enjoy the delicious irony of America accusing other countries of racism. While you ponder your next tirade, I'm gonna switch to the DCPS section and enjoy the hand-wringing about "school quality" and lottery agony by way of illustrations to the racism conundrum. Please do come up with something fresh in the meantime.

Why are you here? All you do is bash and accuse America of hypocrisy, racism, whatever else. It's clear you hate America. And you're probably also the same poster who has repeatedly talked about how much x costs in back home in a Russian supermarket, and who was whining that you have a Russian family member "suffering" because they are named on a sanctions list for supporting the war in Ukraine. So why are you even here at all, in this country that you spew so much bile and hatred for? If Russia is so great and wonderful and America is so awful, how about you go there, and leave the rest of us, who don't hate America, out of your delusional hateful diatribes?

(This is why, boys and girls, you can never have a sincere conversation with an American about America. It always comes to this. Always. Trust me on this. As an immigrant, there are certain things you are simply not allowed to say.)

Why am I here? I'm a DC area mom - just like you. This is a free forum.

I don't happen to hate America. There are many things here that are wonderful. America's foreign policy, though, is not one of them.

Do feel free to write to Jeff, though. Maybe he'd introduce a set of thought rules and principles one must embrace before posting here. Until then, I'm as free to post here as you are.

This is why you can't have a sincere conversation about Russia with you. It always comes to "What about America?" Always. Trust me on this.

You kinda walk into these things when you make sweeping statements like "don't invade other countries if you don't want bad things to happen to you!"

I mean, pot, meet kettle.

This was 100% a war of choice for Russia. Russia did not have to invade. Russia was under no credible threat. Russia had no business waging this war.

All consequences are thus on Russia.

And if you don't like it, complain to Putin. He could end this conflict tomorrow, by ordering a complete withdrawal and return to 1991 borders. The longer he refuses to do that, the more Russia brings suffering and consequences upon itself.

You Ukraine boosters really harp on these 1991 borders as if they were magical. They have in fact been particularly bad, and have been modified dozens of times since 1991. They reflect the political wrangling of an aged Soviet bureaucracy as the chaos of the end of Soviet era became apparent. There is nothing about them that should over-rule the desires of the people who actually live in a place. We ourselves have military enforced modifications to 1991 borders, with Serbia/Kosovo being the most obvious.

Returning to 1991 borders wouldn't solve the conflict, it just kicks the can down the road for a few years. You can't put Russians in an anti-Russian country and expect peace. The only reason you would want Crimea/Donbass now, is if you wanted to purposely abuse the Russian population there. Which after reading some of the most recent posts, makes me think there may be something to that.

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Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.

I'm not worried at all.

Sure, they can buy off the corrupt government heads with hookers and money, but that will be similar to their relationship with Saudi Arabia - a marriage of convenience that ends in divorce when the water gets too hot.

It will give the Africans time to really get to know Russians well. The average ultranationalist supporting the government is exceptionally xenophobic and unconditionally racist. My guess is that some FSB agent or cop will see a black diplomat on the street, not realize they're a dignitary and treat them exactly the way the other 0.04% of blacks are treated in Russia. It will be a 'warm welcome' I'm sure. In the end, I think the Russian government will drive their own wedge between themselves and Africa.

LOL you say this like thousands of Africans haven't been educated in Russia over the last fifty years. They've experienced life on the Russian streets in full, and yet lived to tell the tale, and somehow retained a warm affection for the country.

Thirty thousand African students are enrolled in higher education programs in Russia today.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1131857/number-of-african-students-in-russia-by-country/

The US has tens of thousands of African students too. Interesting that hardly any of Russia's African students ever bother to stay in Russia, or to come back to Russia after finishing their studies. Russia's population is only 0.06% African origin, only around 90,000 total, including your 30,000 students. Compare that to to 2.1 million African immigrants living in the US. Russia goes through the motions with its legacy Soviet-era student program, but is NOT that attractive to Africans.

Are African students in the US studying on an all-expenses-paid program?

Russian education programs for the African students are explicitly designed for these students to return home so their communities can benefit from their expertise. (Which is exactly the purpose for the multiple US scholarship program like FUllbright and Muskie, where beneficiaries are legally required to return to their home country for at least 2 years).

I am sure you realize that historically there is no native African population in Russia. A bit disingenuous to compare that to the African immigrant community in the US.

No dear, you misread. There are 2.1 million African-born immigrants in the US. As in, not born in the US and came to the US. In addition to the African-Americans. Thus your excuse for why there aren't more Africans in Russia is a failure.

Does Russia need an excuse for not having enough Africans? It's not an immigration state like America is, for better or worse. There isn't any organic reason for there to be a sizable African community in Russia.

FAIL. What you mean to say is that Russia is racist, does not like Africans, and the only reason they do things like pay Africans to go to college in Russia is for performative reasons to try and use it to expand their sphere of influence. But the Africans who've actually done it, experienced the "streets of Russia" for themselves see right through it, they see that they are unwelcome in Russia, and for that reason, do not choose to stay.

If there isn't an "organic reason" for Africans to be in Russia, then there isn't an organic reason for anyone to be there.

Would you say the same thing to, like, Iceland? Their African population is probably negligible.

Every foreign student who elects not to stay is doing it because they feel unwelcome? Hmmm. You think immigration laws have nothing to do with that? You have magic powers that see into the hearts of men and discern the reasons they do things? Okay. I suggest you take steps to monetize them. Magic powers are fleeting!

On second thought though, do continue. Never change. I'm just gonna sit here and enjoy the delicious irony of America accusing other countries of racism. While you ponder your next tirade, I'm gonna switch to the DCPS section and enjoy the hand-wringing about "school quality" and lottery agony by way of illustrations to the racism conundrum. Please do come up with something fresh in the meantime.

Why are you here? All you do is bash and accuse America of hypocrisy, racism, whatever else. It's clear you hate America. And you're probably also the same poster who has repeatedly talked about how much x costs in back home in a Russian supermarket, and who was whining that you have a Russian family member "suffering" because they are named on a sanctions list for supporting the war in Ukraine. So why are you even here at all, in this country that you spew so much bile and hatred for? If Russia is so great and wonderful and America is so awful, how about you go there, and leave the rest of us, who don't hate America, out of your delusional hateful diatribes?

(This is why, boys and girls, you can never have a sincere conversation with an American about America. It always comes to this. Always. Trust me on this. As an immigrant, there are certain things you are simply not allowed to say.)

Why am I here? I'm a DC area mom - just like you. This is a free forum.

I don't happen to hate America. There are many things here that are wonderful. America's foreign policy, though, is not one of them.

Do feel free to write to Jeff, though. Maybe he'd introduce a set of thought rules and principles one must embrace before posting here. Until then, I'm as free to post here as you are.

This is why you can't have a sincere conversation about Russia with you. It always comes to "What about America?" Always. Trust me on this.

You kinda walk into these things when you make sweeping statements like "don't invade other countries if you don't want bad things to happen to you!"

I mean, pot, meet kettle.

This was 100% a war of choice for Russia. Russia did not have to invade. Russia was under no credible threat. Russia had no business waging this war.

All consequences are thus on Russia.

And if you don't like it, complain to Putin. He could end this conflict tomorrow, by ordering a complete withdrawal and return to 1991 borders. The longer he refuses to do that, the more Russia brings suffering and consequences upon itself.

You Ukraine boosters really harp on these 1991 borders as if they were magical. They have in fact been particularly bad, and have been modified dozens of times since 1991. They reflect the political wrangling of an aged Soviet bureaucracy as the chaos of the end of Soviet era became apparent. There is nothing about them that should over-rule the desires of the people who actually live in a place. We ourselves have military enforced modifications to 1991 borders, with Serbia/Kosovo being the most obvious.

Returning to 1991 borders wouldn't solve the conflict, it just kicks the can down the road for a few years. You can't put Russians in an anti-Russian country and expect peace. The only reason you would want Crimea/Donbass now, is if you wanted to purposely abuse the Russian population there. Which after reading some of the most recent posts, makes me think there may be something to that.

You seem to think that Russians will be treated well by countries they've invaded and committed War Crimes against? No, honey, the island is shrinking for Russia.

The problem is that the Russian's who support their current government believe they are God's gift to Earth. Their ego is beyond all reason. Even look at this poster's mental state; completely omitting all prior crimes-against-humanity Russians performed making Crimea/Donbass into (currently) Russian by removing / killing non-Russians during the Stalin years. In denial, this person doesn't even mention the current war crimes or mass graves? Sick.

I still remember when pro-Russian propaganda promoted the "liberation" of Georgia. But Russia has reaping their harvest of the seeds planted.

"Protests erupted in the Georgian cities of Tbilisi and Batumi in response to the arrival of the cruise liner Astoria Grande in Georgia, carrying over 800 tourists, the majority of whom were Russian citizens"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgians-protest-forcing-russian-cruise-085700910.html

Even 'important' Russians like Margaret Simonyan need bodyguards and are forced to vacation on crappy beaches because they're afraid of what will happen if they leave the country
https://m.facebook.com/story.php/?story_fbid=819383259552731&id=100044431937857

Why do you think Russia has to reach out to Africa and South America as long-lost best buds? It's because anyone who's dealt with them in the past are giving them the finger. If you think Russia can lure Western companies to re-invest and rebuild Russia to it's pre-war state, do you think that they'll forget their seized assets and lost profit margins that quickly? Do you think that the Russians arrested for war protest or were brutally treated by the police will forget? Do you think that countries bordering Russia will forget and forgive Russian actions on their territories? Do you think if China 'helps' that there won't be any strings attached? If so, I think you're in for a rude awakening to reality.

Get a clue.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like Ukraine has committed its forces in the southeast. Hopefully there's a breakthrough

Very perplexed by African countries going through with their summit meeting with Putin. Genuinely bizarre. There's no good outcome here.

I'm not worried at all.

Sure, they can buy off the corrupt government heads with hookers and money, but that will be similar to their relationship with Saudi Arabia - a marriage of convenience that ends in divorce when the water gets too hot.

It will give the Africans time to really get to know Russians well. The average ultranationalist supporting the government is exceptionally xenophobic and unconditionally racist. My guess is that some FSB agent or cop will see a black diplomat on the street, not realize they're a dignitary and treat them exactly the way the other 0.04% of blacks are treated in Russia. It will be a 'warm welcome' I'm sure. In the end, I think the Russian government will drive their own wedge between themselves and Africa.

LOL you say this like thousands of Africans haven't been educated in Russia over the last fifty years. They've experienced life on the Russian streets in full, and yet lived to tell the tale, and somehow retained a warm affection for the country.

Thirty thousand African students are enrolled in higher education programs in Russia today.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1131857/number-of-african-students-in-russia-by-country/

The US has tens of thousands of African students too. Interesting that hardly any of Russia's African students ever bother to stay in Russia, or to come back to Russia after finishing their studies. Russia's population is only 0.06% African origin, only around 90,000 total, including your 30,000 students. Compare that to to 2.1 million African immigrants living in the US. Russia goes through the motions with its legacy Soviet-era student program, but is NOT that attractive to Africans.

Are African students in the US studying on an all-expenses-paid program?

Russian education programs for the African students are explicitly designed for these students to return home so their communities can benefit from their expertise. (Which is exactly the purpose for the multiple US scholarship program like FUllbright and Muskie, where beneficiaries are legally required to return to their home country for at least 2 years).

I am sure you realize that historically there is no native African population in Russia. A bit disingenuous to compare that to the African immigrant community in the US.

No dear, you misread. There are 2.1 million African-born immigrants in the US. As in, not born in the US and came to the US. In addition to the African-Americans. Thus your excuse for why there aren't more Africans in Russia is a failure.

Does Russia need an excuse for not having enough Africans? It's not an immigration state like America is, for better or worse. There isn't any organic reason for there to be a sizable African community in Russia.

FAIL. What you mean to say is that Russia is racist, does not like Africans, and the only reason they do things like pay Africans to go to college in Russia is for performative reasons to try and use it to expand their sphere of influence. But the Africans who've actually done it, experienced the "streets of Russia" for themselves see right through it, they see that they are unwelcome in Russia, and for that reason, do not choose to stay.

If there isn't an "organic reason" for Africans to be in Russia, then there isn't an organic reason for anyone to be there.

Would you say the same thing to, like, Iceland? Their African population is probably negligible.

Every foreign student who elects not to stay is doing it because they feel unwelcome? Hmmm. You think immigration laws have nothing to do with that? You have magic powers that see into the hearts of men and discern the reasons they do things? Okay. I suggest you take steps to monetize them. Magic powers are fleeting!

On second thought though, do continue. Never change. I'm just gonna sit here and enjoy the delicious irony of America accusing other countries of racism. While you ponder your next tirade, I'm gonna switch to the DCPS section and enjoy the hand-wringing about "school quality" and lottery agony by way of illustrations to the racism conundrum. Please do come up with something fresh in the meantime.

Why are you here? All you do is bash and accuse America of hypocrisy, racism, whatever else. It's clear you hate America. And you're probably also the same poster who has repeatedly talked about how much x costs in back home in a Russian supermarket, and who was whining that you have a Russian family member "suffering" because they are named on a sanctions list for supporting the war in Ukraine. So why are you even here at all, in this country that you spew so much bile and hatred for? If Russia is so great and wonderful and America is so awful, how about you go there, and leave the rest of us, who don't hate America, out of your delusional hateful diatribes?

(This is why, boys and girls, you can never have a sincere conversation with an American about America. It always comes to this. Always. Trust me on this. As an immigrant, there are certain things you are simply not allowed to say.)

Why am I here? I'm a DC area mom - just like you. This is a free forum.

I don't happen to hate America. There are many things here that are wonderful. America's foreign policy, though, is not one of them.

Do feel free to write to Jeff, though. Maybe he'd introduce a set of thought rules and principles one must embrace before posting here. Until then, I'm as free to post here as you are.

This is why you can't have a sincere conversation about Russia with you. It always comes to "What about America?" Always. Trust me on this.

You kinda walk into these things when you make sweeping statements like "don't invade other countries if you don't want bad things to happen to you!"

I mean, pot, meet kettle.

This was 100% a war of choice for Russia. Russia did not have to invade. Russia was under no credible threat. Russia had no business waging this war.

All consequences are thus on Russia.

And if you don't like it, complain to Putin. He could end this conflict tomorrow, by ordering a complete withdrawal and return to 1991 borders. The longer he refuses to do that, the more Russia brings suffering and consequences upon itself.

You Ukraine boosters really harp on these 1991 borders as if they were magical. They have in fact been particularly bad, and have been modified dozens of times since 1991. They reflect the political wrangling of an aged Soviet bureaucracy as the chaos of the end of Soviet era became apparent. There is nothing about them that should over-rule the desires of the people who actually live in a place. We ourselves have military enforced modifications to 1991 borders, with Serbia/Kosovo being the most obvious.

Returning to 1991 borders wouldn't solve the conflict, it just kicks the can down the road for a few years. You can't put Russians in an anti-Russian country and expect peace. The only reason you would want Crimea/Donbass now, is if you wanted to purposely abuse the Russian population there. Which after reading some of the most recent posts, makes me think there may be something to that.

Ukraine was nowhere near as "anti-Russian" as it is now, until Russia escalated in their meddling with their internal politics, until you started trying to divert them away from the EU and so on. For example, Yanukovich's betrayal of the people and the Verkhovna Rada's decision to start moving to the EU is what sparked things in 2014, and that was all Russia And then of course the final straw was - and then the Crimean invasion and the phony "independence referenda" that were staged in Donbas by Russian FSB. And you delusional idiots thinking that they would for some reason welcome you with open arms.

READ SOME HISTORY OF HOW THIS WAR ACTUALLY HAPPENED from a source that isn't Russian propaganda, and there may be something to that.

Blame yourselves.