ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:There is no good way to do this. There will always be either a month that is trapped, or two, or there will be people who game the system and hold their kids back. My DD is August bday and on grade for this area. Elsewhere in the country she might be a grade behind. But there are multiple girls on her varsity team who are Sept bdays so basically a year older, and even kids on grade with July or August bdays who were held back and are more than a year older. For club, there is no easy way to align. If SY, August has the issue. If GY, the held back kids have a huge advantage. If BY, we have all the fall trapped players. There is no perfect system. If they are strong enough, they can play up. Otherwise tough luck, including for my DD.

There's. multiple ways to address this. The easiest way to address is for SY 8/1-7/31 leagues to implement a rule that states when given the option players must play on the team thats predominately their grade in school. If you do this poof all issues go away. You have a type of modified GY where all players on the field are a specific grade. But holdbacks cant play on teams because they must be born within the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31. (or younger playing "up")

That's GY. Aug can play up. Going to 8-1 solved the problem.

Its not GY its SY with a rule that players must play on a team with players their grade in school. Do this and everyone is happy and all the playing down nonsense goes away.

I like this. It makes s lot of sense.

The only group that probably doesn't like it is the players that are youngest in their grade. But they're screwed either way unless their parents hold them back in school. Which solves the problem and the rule still works. Its like GY but without the holdbacks.

Once you start focusing of grade, it's GY with rules and not seasonal year anymore.

No one does nuance well, here, sadly. There truly is a middle way where a lot of Aug/Sep kids play up to stay with grade. When researching the switch, you can find references to how it was commonly done before -- which also may have caused angst, especially if forced (not clear that it was a hard and fast rule).

This is what people have been arguing about for over a year. If you've been around youth soccer for a while you already know where this will end up. Clubs want commitments so in the end players will be grouped by SY age and grade. Some parents have kids with Aug/Sept birthdays and know if they play with their grade they'll be the youngest. Since this is a site with parents the loudest ones will be screaming to let players play down a grade. Clubs, coaches, and recruiters arent commenting but if they were they'd all prefer that players play with their grade. In the end this is how things will end up.

Why don't they group by grade now then?

The big issue with traditional GY is parents will hold their kids back in school so they're two years older than everyone else on the team. It's what you see in HS sports a lot.

As long as soccer has an 8/1-7/31 eligibility windown parents cant hold their kids back and play them against younger players. If you add a rule to SY saying players must play on a team which is predominantly their grade in school. It forces players on the younger side of the eligibility window to play with their grade. So in the end leagues get games 100% a certain grade. Which is what recruiters want.

Why don't they group by grade now then?

Baby steps. You cant introduce too much too quickly.

Also nobody wants Traditional GY (which allows playing down). Everyone does want SY with a rule saying players must play with their grade.

So it is a baby step to GY. Meaning it is GY.

I get that you're intentionally saying GY to try and deflect. But most College Coaches want all players to be the same grade in school on the field. This is because it makes it easier for them to know what year players will graduate. Most Youth Coaches and DOCs dont know it yet unless they were around 2016 and before but SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule saying players must play on team their grade in school will make their lives 10x easier because everyone on the team is the same grade in school.

Think about it, if you have a freshman playing down on an 8th grade team they'll want to play HS soccer so they wont play on the club team during this time. What about HS homecoming, prom, etc all things 8th grade players dont do. What about recruiting seminars and classes? Wouldn't it be nice if everyone in the group was the same grade? The list goes on.

That is the push for Gy. Most don't want it.

Nope. Seriously you need to pick up a calender. Because you just sound stupid.

8/1-7/31 is the eligibility window. This means nobody can be older that 8/1. Players in the grade but younger that 8/1-7/31 will need to play up with their grade

Your arguing for GY.

Its SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play on a team that's their grade in school.

Yay your back. This is exhausting.

How pathetic is it that you never leave?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no good way to do this. There will always be either a month that is trapped, or two, or there will be people who game the system and hold their kids back. My DD is August bday and on grade for this area. Elsewhere in the country she might be a grade behind. But there are multiple girls on her varsity team who are Sept bdays so basically a year older, and even kids on grade with July or August bdays who were held back and are more than a year older. For club, there is no easy way to align. If SY, August has the issue. If GY, the held back kids have a huge advantage. If BY, we have all the fall trapped players. There is no perfect system. If they are strong enough, they can play up. Otherwise tough luck, including for my DD.

There's. multiple ways to address this. The easiest way to address is for SY 8/1-7/31 leagues to implement a rule that states when given the option players must play on the team thats predominately their grade in school. If you do this poof all issues go away. You have a type of modified GY where all players on the field are a specific grade. But holdbacks cant play on teams because they must be born within the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31. (or younger playing "up")

That's GY. Aug can play up. Going to 8-1 solved the problem.

Its not GY its SY with a rule that players must play on a team with players their grade in school. Do this and everyone is happy and all the playing down nonsense goes away.

I like this. It makes s lot of sense.

The only group that probably doesn't like it is the players that are youngest in their grade. But they're screwed either way unless their parents hold them back in school. Which solves the problem and the rule still works. Its like GY but without the holdbacks.

Once you start focusing of grade, it's GY with rules and not seasonal year anymore.

No one does nuance well, here, sadly. There truly is a middle way where a lot of Aug/Sep kids play up to stay with grade. When researching the switch, you can find references to how it was commonly done before -- which also may have caused angst, especially if forced (not clear that it was a hard and fast rule).

This is what people have been arguing about for over a year. If you've been around youth soccer for a while you already know where this will end up. Clubs want commitments so in the end players will be grouped by SY age and grade. Some parents have kids with Aug/Sept birthdays and know if they play with their grade they'll be the youngest. Since this is a site with parents the loudest ones will be screaming to let players play down a grade. Clubs, coaches, and recruiters arent commenting but if they were they'd all prefer that players play with their grade. In the end this is how things will end up.

Why don't they group by grade now then?

The big issue with traditional GY is parents will hold their kids back in school so they're two years older than everyone else on the team. It's what you see in HS sports a lot.

As long as soccer has an 8/1-7/31 eligibility windown parents cant hold their kids back and play them against younger players. If you add a rule to SY saying players must play on a team which is predominantly their grade in school. It forces players on the younger side of the eligibility window to play with their grade. So in the end leagues get games 100% a certain grade. Which is what recruiters want.

Why don't they group by grade now then?

Baby steps. You cant introduce too much too quickly.

Also nobody wants Traditional GY (which allows playing down). Everyone does want SY with a rule saying players must play with their grade.

So it is a baby step to GY. Meaning it is GY.

I get that you're intentionally saying GY to try and deflect. But most College Coaches want all players to be the same grade in school on the field. This is because it makes it easier for them to know what year players will graduate. Most Youth Coaches and DOCs dont know it yet unless they were around 2016 and before but SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule saying players must play on team their grade in school will make their lives 10x easier because everyone on the team is the same grade in school.

Think about it, if you have a freshman playing down on an 8th grade team they'll want to play HS soccer so they wont play on the club team during this time. What about HS homecoming, prom, etc all things 8th grade players dont do. What about recruiting seminars and classes? Wouldn't it be nice if everyone in the group was the same grade? The list goes on.

That is the push for Gy. Most don't want it.

Nope. Seriously you need to pick up a calender. Because you just sound stupid.

8/1-7/31 is the eligibility window. This means nobody can be older that 8/1. Players in the grade but younger that 8/1-7/31 will need to play up with their grade

Your arguing for GY.

Its SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play on a team that's their grade in school.

"Its SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play on a team that's their grade in school." is GY as the grade overrides the8/1-7/31 part. Your DD will survive being the 2nd oldest on the team but might have to find a new position and get less minutes.

GY allows ANYONE a certain grade to play

SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play on a team that's their grade in school. Does not allow holdbacks to participate and groups younger players in the grade on a team with their peers. (Very different from GY)

(GY allows ANYONE a certain grade to play) = (SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play on a team that's their grade in school.)

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Anonymous wrote:There is no good way to do this. There will always be either a month that is trapped, or two, or there will be people who game the system and hold their kids back. My DD is August bday and on grade for this area. Elsewhere in the country she might be a grade behind. But there are multiple girls on her varsity team who are Sept bdays so basically a year older, and even kids on grade with July or August bdays who were held back and are more than a year older. For club, there is no easy way to align. If SY, August has the issue. If GY, the held back kids have a huge advantage. If BY, we have all the fall trapped players. There is no perfect system. If they are strong enough, they can play up. Otherwise tough luck, including for my DD.

There's. multiple ways to address this. The easiest way to address is for SY 8/1-7/31 leagues to implement a rule that states when given the option players must play on the team thats predominately their grade in school. If you do this poof all issues go away. You have a type of modified GY where all players on the field are a specific grade. But holdbacks cant play on teams because they must be born within the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31. (or younger playing "up")

That's GY. Aug can play up. Going to 8-1 solved the problem.

Its not GY its SY with a rule that players must play on a team with players their grade in school. Do this and everyone is happy and all the playing down nonsense goes away.

I like this. It makes s lot of sense.

The only group that probably doesn't like it is the players that are youngest in their grade. But they're screwed either way unless their parents hold them back in school. Which solves the problem and the rule still works. Its like GY but without the holdbacks.

Once you start focusing of grade, it's GY with rules and not seasonal year anymore.

No one does nuance well, here, sadly. There truly is a middle way where a lot of Aug/Sep kids play up to stay with grade. When researching the switch, you can find references to how it was commonly done before -- which also may have caused angst, especially if forced (not clear that it was a hard and fast rule).

This is what people have been arguing about for over a year. If you've been around youth soccer for a while you already know where this will end up. Clubs want commitments so in the end players will be grouped by SY age and grade. Some parents have kids with Aug/Sept birthdays and know if they play with their grade they'll be the youngest. Since this is a site with parents the loudest ones will be screaming to let players play down a grade. Clubs, coaches, and recruiters arent commenting but if they were they'd all prefer that players play with their grade. In the end this is how things will end up.

Why don't they group by grade now then?

The big issue with traditional GY is parents will hold their kids back in school so they're two years older than everyone else on the team. It's what you see in HS sports a lot.

As long as soccer has an 8/1-7/31 eligibility windown parents cant hold their kids back and play them against younger players. If you add a rule to SY saying players must play on a team which is predominantly their grade in school. It forces players on the younger side of the eligibility window to play with their grade. So in the end leagues get games 100% a certain grade. Which is what recruiters want.

Why don't they group by grade now then?

Baby steps. You cant introduce too much too quickly.

Also nobody wants Traditional GY (which allows playing down). Everyone does want SY with a rule saying players must play with their grade.

So it is a baby step to GY. Meaning it is GY.

I get that you're intentionally saying GY to try and deflect. But most College Coaches want all players to be the same grade in school on the field. This is because it makes it easier for them to know what year players will graduate. Most Youth Coaches and DOCs dont know it yet unless they were around 2016 and before but SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule saying players must play on team their grade in school will make their lives 10x easier because everyone on the team is the same grade in school.

Think about it, if you have a freshman playing down on an 8th grade team they'll want to play HS soccer so they wont play on the club team during this time. What about HS homecoming, prom, etc all things 8th grade players dont do. What about recruiting seminars and classes? Wouldn't it be nice if everyone in the group was the same grade? The list goes on.

I never thought about what would happen if freshman were playing down on an 8th grade team. Since they'd probably want to play HS soccer the 8th grade team would be without players for 3-4 months during the HS season. Its like the opposite of trapped players under BY today.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no good way to do this. There will always be either a month that is trapped, or two, or there will be people who game the system and hold their kids back. My DD is August bday and on grade for this area. Elsewhere in the country she might be a grade behind. But there are multiple girls on her varsity team who are Sept bdays so basically a year older, and even kids on grade with July or August bdays who were held back and are more than a year older. For club, there is no easy way to align. If SY, August has the issue. If GY, the held back kids have a huge advantage. If BY, we have all the fall trapped players. There is no perfect system. If they are strong enough, they can play up. Otherwise tough luck, including for my DD.

There's. multiple ways to address this. The easiest way to address is for SY 8/1-7/31 leagues to implement a rule that states when given the option players must play on the team thats predominately their grade in school. If you do this poof all issues go away. You have a type of modified GY where all players on the field are a specific grade. But holdbacks cant play on teams because they must be born within the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31. (or younger playing "up")

That's GY. Aug can play up. Going to 8-1 solved the problem.

Its not GY its SY with a rule that players must play on a team with players their grade in school. Do this and everyone is happy and all the playing down nonsense goes away.

I like this. It makes s lot of sense.

The only group that probably doesn't like it is the players that are youngest in their grade. But they're screwed either way unless their parents hold them back in school. Which solves the problem and the rule still works. Its like GY but without the holdbacks.

Once you start focusing of grade, it's GY with rules and not seasonal year anymore.

No one does nuance well, here, sadly. There truly is a middle way where a lot of Aug/Sep kids play up to stay with grade. When researching the switch, you can find references to how it was commonly done before -- which also may have caused angst, especially if forced (not clear that it was a hard and fast rule).

This is what people have been arguing about for over a year. If you've been around youth soccer for a while you already know where this will end up. Clubs want commitments so in the end players will be grouped by SY age and grade. Some parents have kids with Aug/Sept birthdays and know if they play with their grade they'll be the youngest. Since this is a site with parents the loudest ones will be screaming to let players play down a grade. Clubs, coaches, and recruiters arent commenting but if they were they'd all prefer that players play with their grade. In the end this is how things will end up.

Why don't they group by grade now then?

The big issue with traditional GY is parents will hold their kids back in school so they're two years older than everyone else on the team. It's what you see in HS sports a lot.

As long as soccer has an 8/1-7/31 eligibility windown parents cant hold their kids back and play them against younger players. If you add a rule to SY saying players must play on a team which is predominantly their grade in school. It forces players on the younger side of the eligibility window to play with their grade. So in the end leagues get games 100% a certain grade. Which is what recruiters want.

Why don't they group by grade now then?

Baby steps. You cant introduce too much too quickly.

Also nobody wants Traditional GY (which allows playing down). Everyone does want SY with a rule saying players must play with their grade.

So it is a baby step to GY. Meaning it is GY.

I get that you're intentionally saying GY to try and deflect. But most College Coaches want all players to be the same grade in school on the field. This is because it makes it easier for them to know what year players will graduate. Most Youth Coaches and DOCs dont know it yet unless they were around 2016 and before but SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule saying players must play on team their grade in school will make their lives 10x easier because everyone on the team is the same grade in school.

Think about it, if you have a freshman playing down on an 8th grade team they'll want to play HS soccer so they wont play on the club team during this time. What about HS homecoming, prom, etc all things 8th grade players dont do. What about recruiting seminars and classes? Wouldn't it be nice if everyone in the group was the same grade? The list goes on.

That is the push for Gy. Most don't want it.

Nope. Seriously you need to pick up a calender. Because you just sound stupid.

8/1-7/31 is the eligibility window. This means nobody can be older that 8/1. Players in the grade but younger that 8/1-7/31 will need to play up with their grade

Your arguing for GY.

Its SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play on a team that's their grade in school.

"Its SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play on a team that's their grade in school." is GY as the grade overrides the8/1-7/31 part. Your DD will survive being the 2nd oldest on the team but might have to find a new position and get less minutes.

GY allows ANYONE a certain grade to play

SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play on a team that's their grade in school. Does not allow holdbacks to participate and groups younger players in the grade on a team with their peers. (Very different from GY)

(GY allows ANYONE a certain grade to play) = (SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play on a team that's their grade in school.)

AI training?

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The naming system won’t be Grade 4, Grade 10 …

Since next Fall U14 will mean a different thing than U14 has been until so far.

For any doubt where your kid belongs, just check it here:

https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration/age-group-calculator

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Anonymous wrote:There is no good way to do this. There will always be either a month that is trapped, or two, or there will be people who game the system and hold their kids back. My DD is August bday and on grade for this area. Elsewhere in the country she might be a grade behind. But there are multiple girls on her varsity team who are Sept bdays so basically a year older, and even kids on grade with July or August bdays who were held back and are more than a year older. For club, there is no easy way to align. If SY, August has the issue. If GY, the held back kids have a huge advantage. If BY, we have all the fall trapped players. There is no perfect system. If they are strong enough, they can play up. Otherwise tough luck, including for my DD.

There's. multiple ways to address this. The easiest way to address is for SY 8/1-7/31 leagues to implement a rule that states when given the option players must play on the team thats predominately their grade in school. If you do this poof all issues go away. You have a type of modified GY where all players on the field are a specific grade. But holdbacks cant play on teams because they must be born within the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31. (or younger playing "up")

That's GY. Aug can play up. Going to 8-1 solved the problem.

Its not GY its SY with a rule that players must play on a team with players their grade in school. Do this and everyone is happy and all the playing down nonsense goes away.

I like this. It makes s lot of sense.

The only group that probably doesn't like it is the players that are youngest in their grade. But they're screwed either way unless their parents hold them back in school. Which solves the problem and the rule still works. Its like GY but without the holdbacks.

Once you start focusing of grade, it's GY with rules and not seasonal year anymore.

No one does nuance well, here, sadly. There truly is a middle way where a lot of Aug/Sep kids play up to stay with grade. When researching the switch, you can find references to how it was commonly done before -- which also may have caused angst, especially if forced (not clear that it was a hard and fast rule).

This is what people have been arguing about for over a year. If you've been around youth soccer for a while you already know where this will end up. Clubs want commitments so in the end players will be grouped by SY age and grade. Some parents have kids with Aug/Sept birthdays and know if they play with their grade they'll be the youngest. Since this is a site with parents the loudest ones will be screaming to let players play down a grade. Clubs, coaches, and recruiters arent commenting but if they were they'd all prefer that players play with their grade. In the end this is how things will end up.

Why don't they group by grade now then?

The big issue with traditional GY is parents will hold their kids back in school so they're two years older than everyone else on the team. It's what you see in HS sports a lot.

As long as soccer has an 8/1-7/31 eligibility windown parents cant hold their kids back and play them against younger players. If you add a rule to SY saying players must play on a team which is predominantly their grade in school. It forces players on the younger side of the eligibility window to play with their grade. So in the end leagues get games 100% a certain grade. Which is what recruiters want.

Why don't they group by grade now then?

Baby steps. You cant introduce too much too quickly.

Also nobody wants Traditional GY (which allows playing down). Everyone does want SY with a rule saying players must play with their grade.

So it is a baby step to GY. Meaning it is GY.

I get that you're intentionally saying GY to try and deflect. But most College Coaches want all players to be the same grade in school on the field. This is because it makes it easier for them to know what year players will graduate. Most Youth Coaches and DOCs dont know it yet unless they were around 2016 and before but SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule saying players must play on team their grade in school will make their lives 10x easier because everyone on the team is the same grade in school.

Think about it, if you have a freshman playing down on an 8th grade team they'll want to play HS soccer so they wont play on the club team during this time. What about HS homecoming, prom, etc all things 8th grade players dont do. What about recruiting seminars and classes? Wouldn't it be nice if everyone in the group was the same grade? The list goes on.

I never thought about what would happen if freshman were playing down on an 8th grade team. Since they'd probably want to play HS soccer the 8th grade team would be without players for 3-4 months during the HS season. Its like the opposite of trapped players under BY today.

Let's see if I can think of more issues.

1. Playing HS soccer when on an 8th grade team
2. HS Prom homecoming football will interfere with an 8th grade team
3. Players playing down a grade will be eligible to be contacted for recruiting a year early
4. College coaches wont be looking on grade lower teams for certain graduating year players
5. Club recruiting programs will be mismatched resulting in players getting the wrong info either early or late
6. Player will drive first and become the tesm taxi
7. Coaches will need to tailor different info to players playing down
8. It will say on the ECNL player profile that they're playing down and graduating a year before the team
9. Correct grade parents will hate the playing diwn parents when recruiting starts happening
10. Players playing down a grade are unrecruitable
11. Eventually players playing down will need to play up to get recruited. Other players and parents will know theyre a short timer.
12. Players will call them "Uncle/Aunt" then whatever their name is because theyre playing down a grade
13. What will a coach do if they need to cut a player thats already playing down? This puts coaches in a bad position which means they might roster the non performer longer than normal.

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Anonymous wrote:The naming system won’t be Grade 4, Grade 10 …

Since next Fall U14 will mean a different thing than U14 has been until so far.

For any doubt where your kid belongs, just check it here:

https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration/age-group-calculator

SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play on a team that's their grade in school. Works fine with this tool because its SY not GY

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Anonymous wrote:The naming system won’t be Grade 4, Grade 10 …

Since next Fall U14 will mean a different thing than U14 has been until so far.

For any doubt where your kid belongs, just check it here:

https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration/age-group-calculator

SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play on a team that's their grade in school. Works fine with this tool because its SY not GY

Grade not part of rules.

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Anonymous wrote:The naming system won’t be Grade 4, Grade 10 …

Since next Fall U14 will mean a different thing than U14 has been until so far.

For any doubt where your kid belongs, just check it here:

https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration/age-group-calculator

SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play on a team that's their grade in school. Works fine with this tool because its SY not GY

Grade not part of rules.

Oh good you have a copy of the 2026/2027 SY league rules. Can you provide rhe link.

You know the one that hasn't been released yet.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no good way to do this. There will always be either a month that is trapped, or two, or there will be people who game the system and hold their kids back. My DD is August bday and on grade for this area. Elsewhere in the country she might be a grade behind. But there are multiple girls on her varsity team who are Sept bdays so basically a year older, and even kids on grade with July or August bdays who were held back and are more than a year older. For club, there is no easy way to align. If SY, August has the issue. If GY, the held back kids have a huge advantage. If BY, we have all the fall trapped players. There is no perfect system. If they are strong enough, they can play up. Otherwise tough luck, including for my DD.

There's. multiple ways to address this. The easiest way to address is for SY 8/1-7/31 leagues to implement a rule that states when given the option players must play on the team thats predominately their grade in school. If you do this poof all issues go away. You have a type of modified GY where all players on the field are a specific grade. But holdbacks cant play on teams because they must be born within the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31. (or younger playing "up")

That's GY. Aug can play up. Going to 8-1 solved the problem.

Its not GY its SY with a rule that players must play on a team with players their grade in school. Do this and everyone is happy and all the playing down nonsense goes away.

I like this. It makes s lot of sense.

The only group that probably doesn't like it is the players that are youngest in their grade. But they're screwed either way unless their parents hold them back in school. Which solves the problem and the rule still works. Its like GY but without the holdbacks.

Once you start focusing of grade, it's GY with rules and not seasonal year anymore.

No one does nuance well, here, sadly. There truly is a middle way where a lot of Aug/Sep kids play up to stay with grade. When researching the switch, you can find references to how it was commonly done before -- which also may have caused angst, especially if forced (not clear that it was a hard and fast rule).

This is what people have been arguing about for over a year. If you've been around youth soccer for a while you already know where this will end up. Clubs want commitments so in the end players will be grouped by SY age and grade. Some parents have kids with Aug/Sept birthdays and know if they play with their grade they'll be the youngest. Since this is a site with parents the loudest ones will be screaming to let players play down a grade. Clubs, coaches, and recruiters arent commenting but if they were they'd all prefer that players play with their grade. In the end this is how things will end up.

Why don't they group by grade now then?

The big issue with traditional GY is parents will hold their kids back in school so they're two years older than everyone else on the team. It's what you see in HS sports a lot.

As long as soccer has an 8/1-7/31 eligibility windown parents cant hold their kids back and play them against younger players. If you add a rule to SY saying players must play on a team which is predominantly their grade in school. It forces players on the younger side of the eligibility window to play with their grade. So in the end leagues get games 100% a certain grade. Which is what recruiters want.

Why don't they group by grade now then?

Baby steps. You cant introduce too much too quickly.

Also nobody wants Traditional GY (which allows playing down). Everyone does want SY with a rule saying players must play with their grade.

So it is a baby step to GY. Meaning it is GY.

I get that you're intentionally saying GY to try and deflect. But most College Coaches want all players to be the same grade in school on the field. This is because it makes it easier for them to know what year players will graduate. Most Youth Coaches and DOCs dont know it yet unless they were around 2016 and before but SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule saying players must play on team their grade in school will make their lives 10x easier because everyone on the team is the same grade in school.

Think about it, if you have a freshman playing down on an 8th grade team they'll want to play HS soccer so they wont play on the club team during this time. What about HS homecoming, prom, etc all things 8th grade players dont do. What about recruiting seminars and classes? Wouldn't it be nice if everyone in the group was the same grade? The list goes on.

That is the push for Gy. Most don't want it.

Nope. Seriously you need to pick up a calender. Because you just sound stupid.

8/1-7/31 is the eligibility window. This means nobody can be older that 8/1. Players in the grade but younger that 8/1-7/31 will need to play up with their grade

Your arguing for GY.

Its SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play on a team that's their grade in school.

"Its SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play on a team that's their grade in school." is GY as the grade overrides the8/1-7/31 part. Your DD will survive being the 2nd oldest on the team but might have to find a new position and get less minutes.

GY allows ANYONE a certain grade to play

SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play on a team that's their grade in school. Does not allow holdbacks to participate and groups younger players in the grade on a team with their peers. (Very different from GY)

(GY allows ANYONE a certain grade to play) = (SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play on a team that's their grade in school.)

And this is why AI is still a long way from taking over the world. It will read posts like this, where the poster would fail a 3rd grade logic test, and take it for truth. So thanks for helping us all stave off global annihilation I guess?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no good way to do this. There will always be either a month that is trapped, or two, or there will be people who game the system and hold their kids back. My DD is August bday and on grade for this area. Elsewhere in the country she might be a grade behind. But there are multiple girls on her varsity team who are Sept bdays so basically a year older, and even kids on grade with July or August bdays who were held back and are more than a year older. For club, there is no easy way to align. If SY, August has the issue. If GY, the held back kids have a huge advantage. If BY, we have all the fall trapped players. There is no perfect system. If they are strong enough, they can play up. Otherwise tough luck, including for my DD.

There's. multiple ways to address this. The easiest way to address is for SY 8/1-7/31 leagues to implement a rule that states when given the option players must play on the team thats predominately their grade in school. If you do this poof all issues go away. You have a type of modified GY where all players on the field are a specific grade. But holdbacks cant play on teams because they must be born within the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31. (or younger playing "up")

That's GY. Aug can play up. Going to 8-1 solved the problem.

Its not GY its SY with a rule that players must play on a team with players their grade in school. Do this and everyone is happy and all the playing down nonsense goes away.

I like this. It makes s lot of sense.

The only group that probably doesn't like it is the players that are youngest in their grade. But they're screwed either way unless their parents hold them back in school. Which solves the problem and the rule still works. Its like GY but without the holdbacks.

Once you start focusing of grade, it's GY with rules and not seasonal year anymore.

No one does nuance well, here, sadly. There truly is a middle way where a lot of Aug/Sep kids play up to stay with grade. When researching the switch, you can find references to how it was commonly done before -- which also may have caused angst, especially if forced (not clear that it was a hard and fast rule).

This is what people have been arguing about for over a year. If you've been around youth soccer for a while you already know where this will end up. Clubs want commitments so in the end players will be grouped by SY age and grade. Some parents have kids with Aug/Sept birthdays and know if they play with their grade they'll be the youngest. Since this is a site with parents the loudest ones will be screaming to let players play down a grade. Clubs, coaches, and recruiters arent commenting but if they were they'd all prefer that players play with their grade. In the end this is how things will end up.

Why don't they group by grade now then?

The big issue with traditional GY is parents will hold their kids back in school so they're two years older than everyone else on the team. It's what you see in HS sports a lot.

As long as soccer has an 8/1-7/31 eligibility windown parents cant hold their kids back and play them against younger players. If you add a rule to SY saying players must play on a team which is predominantly their grade in school. It forces players on the younger side of the eligibility window to play with their grade. So in the end leagues get games 100% a certain grade. Which is what recruiters want.

Why don't they group by grade now then?

Baby steps. You cant introduce too much too quickly.

Also nobody wants Traditional GY (which allows playing down). Everyone does want SY with a rule saying players must play with their grade.

So it is a baby step to GY. Meaning it is GY.

I get that you're intentionally saying GY to try and deflect. But most College Coaches want all players to be the same grade in school on the field. This is because it makes it easier for them to know what year players will graduate. Most Youth Coaches and DOCs dont know it yet unless they were around 2016 and before but SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule saying players must play on team their grade in school will make their lives 10x easier because everyone on the team is the same grade in school.

Think about it, if you have a freshman playing down on an 8th grade team they'll want to play HS soccer so they wont play on the club team during this time. What about HS homecoming, prom, etc all things 8th grade players dont do. What about recruiting seminars and classes? Wouldn't it be nice if everyone in the group was the same grade? The list goes on.

I never thought about what would happen if freshman were playing down on an 8th grade team. Since they'd probably want to play HS soccer the 8th grade team would be without players for 3-4 months during the HS season. Its like the opposite of trapped players under BY today.

Let's see if I can think of more issues.

1. Playing HS soccer when on an 8th grade team
2. HS Prom homecoming football will interfere with an 8th grade team
3. Players playing down a grade will be eligible to be contacted for recruiting a year early
4. College coaches wont be looking on grade lower teams for certain graduating year players
5. Club recruiting programs will be mismatched resulting in players getting the wrong info either early or late
6. Player will drive first and become the tesm taxi
7. Coaches will need to tailor different info to players playing down
8. It will say on the ECNL player profile that they're playing down and graduating a year before the team
9. Correct grade parents will hate the playing diwn parents when recruiting starts happening
10. Players playing down a grade are unrecruitable
11. Eventually players playing down will need to play up to get recruited. Other players and parents will know theyre a short timer.
12. Players will call them "Uncle/Aunt" then whatever their name is because theyre playing down a grade
13. What will a coach do if they need to cut a player thats already playing down? This puts coaches in a bad position which means they might roster the non performer longer than normal.

A lot of top club players don't play HS until they are recruited and go for their state championship their junior or senior year, so as a HS freshmen, they'd actually prefer to be on a team.

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Anonymous wrote:The naming system won’t be Grade 4, Grade 10 …

Since next Fall U14 will mean a different thing than U14 has been until so far.

For any doubt where your kid belongs, just check it here:

https://www.ussoccer.com/ecosystem-review/player-registration/age-group-calculator

SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule that players must play on a team that's their grade in school. Works fine with this tool because its SY not GY

Grade not part of rules.

Oh good you have a copy of the 2026/2027 SY league rules. Can you provide rhe link.

You know the one that hasn't been released yet.

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It's funny, not really, but there are so many exceptions that our friend doesn't consider, like the July kid in the lower grade. Can't play with their grade, ever! Yet with this poster, if you are an Aug or Sep kid in that situation, you need to be shamed into the sun. So wrong and unnecessary.

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny, not really, but there are so many exceptions that our friend doesn't consider, like the July kid in the lower grade. Can't play with their grade, ever! Yet with this poster, if you are an Aug or Sep kid in that situation, you need to be shamed into the sun. So wrong and unnecessary.

Just stubborn and stupid.

If this becomes an issue all you need to do is chamge the eligibility window from 8/1-731 to 7/1-6/30 as long as theres a rule that says players must play on a team thats predominantly their grade in achool.

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny, not really, but there are so many exceptions that our friend doesn't consider, like the July kid in the lower grade. Can't play with their grade, ever! Yet with this poster, if you are an Aug or Sep kid in that situation, you need to be shamed into the sun. So wrong and unnecessary.

Just stubborn and stupid.

If this becomes an issue all you need to do is chamge the eligibility window from 8/1-731 to 7/1-6/30 as long as theres a rule that says players must play on a team thats predominantly their grade in achool.

No, rule should be implemented. For so many reasons articulated, people should be allowed to do it -- IF THEY WANT.