FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:Did community engagement / opposition work during the South Lakes boundary changes?


Sure. Great engagement between Stu Gibson and the South Lakes PTA. He did everything they asked.


+1. It worked great for the people who stood to gain, including Stu Gibson and Kathy Smith.
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Only Fox Mill and a small pocket of Floris kids go to SLHS (roughly 25% or less).


It's far more than a small pocket of Floris going to South Lakes. It may not be half, but it is more than a pocket.
Add that to Fox Mill, and I would guess it is close to 30 % of those in boundary. (Some may PP out.)


No way.

McNair: 512
McNair upper: 616
Coates: 951
Crossfield: 556
Floris: 699
Fox Mill: 645
Total: 3979
Fox Mill + Half of floris= 995 or 25% (and less than half of Floris kids go to SLHS)

By the way Crossfield/Oakton is lees than 15% (and the FCPS puts Carson under Oakton boundary).

More than 60% of Carson kids live in Westfield boundary.






Yes. the largest percentage go to Westfield, but not as high as you say.

Some of Coates goes to Herndon Middle. No idea how many, but at least 50, I think
McNair numbers include 136 preschool. So you need to subtract that from Westfield number.
Crossfield number does not include the 51 that go to Navy for AAP. So that number should be 607.
Fox Mill has 29 that go to Oak Hill for AAP. So add that number to South Lakes.


Also, the formula for figuring how many kids go to a school yields fewer in apartments for high school. So, it is unlikely that the apartments feeding to Westfield will yield that many kids.

So, while the largest number goes to Westfield from Carson, I think the other percentages are higher than you suggest--especially when you apply a different yield to the apartments for high school kids.



It was a rough calculation.

But some Crossfield kids go to Hughes. So you should substract that.

Less than half of Floris kids go to SLHS so if you want to be exact, the number should to down.

So my rough calc should be roughly correct. For Carson bounday kids: 25% SLHS, 15% OHS, and 60% Westfield


And many Fox Mill Japanese immersion students come from outside Fox Mill boundary.
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Anonymous wrote:Did community engagement / opposition work during the South Lakes boundary changes?


Sure. Great engagement between Stu Gibson and the South Lakes PTA. He did everything they asked.


+1. It worked great for the people who stood to gain, including Stu Gibson and Kathy Smith.


So what would Melanie Meren do about the Carson three-way split issue?

Would she move Fox Mill students to Hughes or Crossfield students to SLHS?
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Did anyone catch a school year that they plan to implement approved proposed attendance island shifts?
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People were worried about Waples being rezoned, but it sounds like the bigger concern might actually be crossfield!
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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone catch a school year that they plan to implement approved proposed attendance island shifts?


It’s all supposed change 2026-2027. The school board mistakenly thinks families will forget or forgive after a year. They’re fooling themselves.
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Anonymous wrote:I think connecting the timber lane island with a bit from falls hill so it’s “connected” on map is fine if it’s needed but don’t think we need to extend to 50. My kid went to timber lane. Longfellow, and now is at McLean. We are equal distant to McLean, Marshall, and Falls church but the kids by 50 are much closer to falls church.


They are doing anything to bump capacity up at Cooper and Langley to cut FHES to Herndon.


Sending kids that border Loudoun Co. to Langley is insane.


As insane as sending kids near 50 to McLean? because I looked and it adds the exact same amount of time to their commute.

Like it or not, the difference to HMS is within a couple minutes commute of Cooper and less than ten to HHS vs Langley.

Your equity obsession is showing.


They aren't proposing (yet) to send kids near Route 50 to McLean, just to Longfellow. They would leave these kids at Falls Church. Of course, that's even more bizarre, since about 95% of Longfellow goes to McLean. I guess they left them at Falls Church because they didn't want to add kids to overcrowded McLean, and maybe they even realized Falls Church is getting expanded, but all that should have also suggested leaving these kids at Jackson and maintaining the fairly even split feeder at Timber Lane.


Same analysis holds for Longfellow. The person who thinks it’s insane to send great falls to Langley surely feels the same about busing these poor kids to Longfellow, right?


I don't think that the proposed Timber Lane/Longfellow adjustment to 50 makes any sense. But if you are trying to convince me that Forestville should go anywhere other than Herndon, you'll fail. If I pick a nice central location on Seneca, it is 4 miles and less than 10 min from Herndon. It is 11 miles and 22 minutes (non-rush!) to Langley. There's simply no argument except people want to go to the rich school.

But I'm not just going to call out Forestville. Why is Westbriar the way it is, and why on earth would the western kids go to Marshall? Langley, Marshall, Madison, and McLean need to be more compact and be prepped to divide up any growth in Tysons.




You are picking the furthest point in Forestville intentionally, and it’s clear what your agenda is. The fact is that on average from Forestville you save two minutes to HMS than Cooper, and 9 to HHS from Langley. Those are rounding errors, despite you trying to convince everyone that it’s otherwise.


I already know you’ll call me an “equity warrior” but Katy Perry could have seen that FVES should go to Herndon from her little outer space jaunt.


So, who should go to Langley to replace them?


They are slowly sneaking the over-capacity McLean into Langley. The 4/11 projections are sneaky because the new capacities are WITH modulars. There should be an additional column to show new capacities WITHOUT.

CIP provides these projections and McLean for example, goes from 103% to 118% for 2030 with and then without modulars.

They will re-highlight the need to rid of modulars for the capacity studies even though parents have said it’s fine to have them.

Many of the 4/11 capacities sitting under their new limit of 105% will sky rocket - hence, Franklin Sherman moving into Langley, pushing FVES out. The other Langley ES schools have have some capacity shifts as well towards under-capacity Great Falls ES.


Just pointing out that moving Franklin Sherman elementary moves a number of kids who can walk to McLean High.

Is the actual delta difference of time between McLean and Langley for these kids as it is for most Forestville kids to go to HHS instead of Langley. So much for trying to streamline transportation, though we all know it has never been about that.


They just changed the elementary school boundaries in late 2023 so that 100% of Sherman feeds to McLean. Before then it was a split feeder with Langley, though most kids went to McLean.

I don't see them revisiting the Sherman assignment on 4/25, but they'll likely be taking a look at the two split feeders to McLean that currently split 80% to Marshall and 20% to McLean - Westgate and Lemon Road. The 4/11 scenarios envisioned moving a little bit more of Westgate to McLean, but who knows whether they'll propose something incremental or entirely different on 4/25.

I think their plan to bridge Timber Lane to the rest of the McLean boundary might involve swapping some of Shrevewood and Lemon Road where its boundary dips below 7. That way Shrevewood would remain a single feeder and Lemon Road would be a >25% split.
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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone catch a school year that they plan to implement approved proposed attendance island shifts?


Attendance islands are just the start. Split feeders are next week. Capacity early may.

All to be implemented fall 2026.
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Has anyone at FCPS done a study to see how much this will cost?


$$$$
Double buses; communications with families--paperwork, mailing, etc; staffing at many schools (this is bigger than most realize); administration; redistricting of schools; lawsuits; surge in pupil placements; administrative time to sort this all out; moving of textbooks and equipment.

This is far more than $500K paid to THRU which will likely get far more than $500K. Has anyone examined this contract?

And, the loss of public support will be immeasurable.



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Only Fox Mill and a small pocket of Floris kids go to SLHS (roughly 25% or less).


It's far more than a small pocket of Floris going to South Lakes. It may not be half, but it is more than a pocket.
Add that to Fox Mill, and I would guess it is close to 30 % of those in boundary. (Some may PP out.)


No way.

McNair: 512
McNair upper: 616
Coates: 951
Crossfield: 556
Floris: 699
Fox Mill: 645
Total: 3979
Fox Mill + Half of floris= 995 or 25% (and less than half of Floris kids go to SLHS)

By the way Crossfield/Oakton is lees than 15% (and the FCPS puts Carson under Oakton boundary).

More than 60% of Carson kids live in Westfield boundary.






Yes. the largest percentage go to Westfield, but not as high as you say.

Some of Coates goes to Herndon Middle. No idea how many, but at least 50, I think
McNair numbers include 136 preschool. So you need to subtract that from Westfield number.
Crossfield number does not include the 51 that go to Navy for AAP. So that number should be 607.
Fox Mill has 29 that go to Oak Hill for AAP. So add that number to South Lakes.


Also, the formula for figuring how many kids go to a school yields fewer in apartments for high school. So, it is unlikely that the apartments feeding to Westfield will yield that many kids.

So, while the largest number goes to Westfield from Carson, I think the other percentages are higher than you suggest--especially when you apply a different yield to the apartments for high school kids.



It was a rough calculation.

But some Crossfield kids go to Hughes. So you should substract that.

Less than half of Floris kids go to SLHS so if you want to be exact, the number should to down.

So my rough calc should be roughly correct. For Carson bounday kids: 25% SLHS, 15% OHS, and 60% Westfield


And many Fox Mill Japanese immersion students come from outside Fox Mill boundary.


The transfer dashboard says 135 transfer into Fox Mill for JIP. JIP also used to be at Floris, contiguous boundary for Fox Mill. That was a function of the random FLI initial site placements. Amenable school board membrs and site based administrators. Now Floris only sends 11 to Fox Mill and what's the FLI JIP send on the 11? JIP counts per grade level? Fox Mill? Great Falls? GFES receives 28 transfers for JIP and <10 total transfers are from Forestville. No sending school sends 10 or more.

No one looks at AAP boundaries unless a new school opens or there is severe overcrowding and FCPS is running a limited scope boundary process. Dogwood is assigned to Sunrise Valley when in a base school boundary process would be in scope first with Hunters Woods. https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY2024-25AAPElementarySchools.pdf

AAP Centers at Clearview and Colvin Run [one goal was to load the new school] were spinoffs from Forest Edge when it was over capacity with a major whole school renovation planned.
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Anonymous wrote:I think connecting the timber lane island with a bit from falls hill so it’s “connected” on map is fine if it’s needed but don’t think we need to extend to 50. My kid went to timber lane. Longfellow, and now is at McLean. We are equal distant to McLean, Marshall, and Falls church but the kids by 50 are much closer to falls church.


They are doing anything to bump capacity up at Cooper and Langley to cut FHES to Herndon.


Sending kids that border Loudoun Co. to Langley is insane.


As insane as sending kids near 50 to McLean? because I looked and it adds the exact same amount of time to their commute.

Like it or not, the difference to HMS is within a couple minutes commute of Cooper and less than ten to HHS vs Langley.

Your equity obsession is showing.


They aren't proposing (yet) to send kids near Route 50 to McLean, just to Longfellow. They would leave these kids at Falls Church. Of course, that's even more bizarre, since about 95% of Longfellow goes to McLean. I guess they left them at Falls Church because they didn't want to add kids to overcrowded McLean, and maybe they even realized Falls Church is getting expanded, but all that should have also suggested leaving these kids at Jackson and maintaining the fairly even split feeder at Timber Lane.


Same analysis holds for Longfellow. The person who thinks it’s insane to send great falls to Langley surely feels the same about busing these poor kids to Longfellow, right?


I don't think that the proposed Timber Lane/Longfellow adjustment to 50 makes any sense. But if you are trying to convince me that Forestville should go anywhere other than Herndon, you'll fail. If I pick a nice central location on Seneca, it is 4 miles and less than 10 min from Herndon. It is 11 miles and 22 minutes (non-rush!) to Langley. There's simply no argument except people want to go to the rich school.

But I'm not just going to call out Forestville. Why is Westbriar the way it is, and why on earth would the western kids go to Marshall? Langley, Marshall, Madison, and McLean need to be more compact and be prepped to divide up any growth in Tysons.




You are picking the furthest point in Forestville intentionally, and it’s clear what your agenda is. The fact is that on average from Forestville you save two minutes to HMS than Cooper, and 9 to HHS from Langley. Those are rounding errors, despite you trying to convince everyone that it’s otherwise.


I already know you’ll call me an “equity warrior” but Katy Perry could have seen that FVES should go to Herndon from her little outer space jaunt.


So, who should go to Langley to replace them?


They are slowly sneaking the over-capacity McLean into Langley. The 4/11 projections are sneaky because the new capacities are WITH modulars. There should be an additional column to show new capacities WITHOUT.

CIP provides these projections and McLean for example, goes from 103% to 118% for 2030 with and then without modulars.

They will re-highlight the need to rid of modulars for the capacity studies even though parents have said it’s fine to have them.

Many of the 4/11 capacities sitting under their new limit of 105% will sky rocket - hence, Franklin Sherman moving into Langley, pushing FVES out. The other Langley ES schools have have some capacity shifts as well towards under-capacity Great Falls ES.


Just pointing out that moving Franklin Sherman elementary moves a number of kids who can walk to McLean High.

Is the actual delta difference of time between McLean and Langley for these kids as it is for most Forestville kids to go to HHS instead of Langley. So much for trying to streamline transportation, though we all know it has never been about that.


They just changed the elementary school boundaries in late 2023 so that 100% of Sherman feeds to McLean. Before then it was a split feeder with Langley, though most kids went to McLean.

I don't see them revisiting the Sherman assignment on 4/25, but they'll likely be taking a look at the two split feeders to McLean that currently split 80% to Marshall and 20% to McLean - Westgate and Lemon Road. The 4/11 scenarios envisioned moving a little bit more of Westgate to McLean, but who knows whether they'll propose something incremental or entirely different on 4/25.

I think their plan to bridge Timber Lane to the rest of the McLean boundary might involve swapping some of Shrevewood and Lemon Road where its boundary dips below 7. That way Shrevewood would remain a single feeder and Lemon Road would be a >25% split.


They can't actually bridge the Timber Lane island to the rest of the Longfellow/McLean area because of the land that Falls Church City now owns near Haycock Road and Route 7 (the area that includes Meridian HS and Maryl Ellen Henderson MS).

The 4/11 presentation pretends they can eliminate the attendance island by moving part of Shrevewood to Longfellow/McLean. It shrinks the distance between the island and the rest of the Longfellow/McLean attendance area, but it doesn't actually eliminate it (the map in the 4/11 presentation appeares to be misleading in this regard) and it creates a new split feeder at Shrevewood, where some kids would go to Longfellow/McLean and most to Kilmer/Marshall.

I'm also not sure how this swap you've described would work. The Lemon Road area is further west of the current Timber Lane island, and the Lemon Road area on the other side of Route 7 is within walking distance of Marshall. The area described above that would shrink but not eliminate the island includes an area within walking distance of Shrevewood. So I'm missing how you swap their boundaries and eliminate the island.

The reality is that if they really care so much about eliminating attendance islands they ought to reassign the Timber Lane island to either Marshall or Falls Church, but they apparently want to bump up the FARMS percentage at Longfellow and/or McLean, as illustrated by the proposal to move the area much further south near Graham Road and Route 50 area to Longfellow. Why they aren't doing this, and then reassigning even more of closer Westgate to Longfellow/McLean escapes me.
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Anonymous wrote:I think connecting the timber lane island with a bit from falls hill so it’s “connected” on map is fine if it’s needed but don’t think we need to extend to 50. My kid went to timber lane. Longfellow, and now is at McLean. We are equal distant to McLean, Marshall, and Falls church but the kids by 50 are much closer to falls church.


They are doing anything to bump capacity up at Cooper and Langley to cut FHES to Herndon.


Sending kids that border Loudoun Co. to Langley is insane.


As insane as sending kids near 50 to McLean? because I looked and it adds the exact same amount of time to their commute.

Like it or not, the difference to HMS is within a couple minutes commute of Cooper and less than ten to HHS vs Langley.

Your equity obsession is showing.


They aren't proposing (yet) to send kids near Route 50 to McLean, just to Longfellow. They would leave these kids at Falls Church. Of course, that's even more bizarre, since about 95% of Longfellow goes to McLean. I guess they left them at Falls Church because they didn't want to add kids to overcrowded McLean, and maybe they even realized Falls Church is getting expanded, but all that should have also suggested leaving these kids at Jackson and maintaining the fairly even split feeder at Timber Lane.


Same analysis holds for Longfellow. The person who thinks it’s insane to send great falls to Langley surely feels the same about busing these poor kids to Longfellow, right?


I don't think that the proposed Timber Lane/Longfellow adjustment to 50 makes any sense. But if you are trying to convince me that Forestville should go anywhere other than Herndon, you'll fail. If I pick a nice central location on Seneca, it is 4 miles and less than 10 min from Herndon. It is 11 miles and 22 minutes (non-rush!) to Langley. There's simply no argument except people want to go to the rich school.

But I'm not just going to call out Forestville. Why is Westbriar the way it is, and why on earth would the western kids go to Marshall? Langley, Marshall, Madison, and McLean need to be more compact and be prepped to divide up any growth in Tysons.




You are picking the furthest point in Forestville intentionally, and it’s clear what your agenda is. The fact is that on average from Forestville you save two minutes to HMS than Cooper, and 9 to HHS from Langley. Those are rounding errors, despite you trying to convince everyone that it’s otherwise.


I already know you’ll call me an “equity warrior” but Katy Perry could have seen that FVES should go to Herndon from her little outer space jaunt.


So, who should go to Langley to replace them?


They are slowly sneaking the over-capacity McLean into Langley. The 4/11 projections are sneaky because the new capacities are WITH modulars. There should be an additional column to show new capacities WITHOUT.

CIP provides these projections and McLean for example, goes from 103% to 118% for 2030 with and then without modulars.

They will re-highlight the need to rid of modulars for the capacity studies even though parents have said it’s fine to have them.

Many of the 4/11 capacities sitting under their new limit of 105% will sky rocket - hence, Franklin Sherman moving into Langley, pushing FVES out. The other Langley ES schools have have some capacity shifts as well towards under-capacity Great Falls ES.


Just pointing out that moving Franklin Sherman elementary moves a number of kids who can walk to McLean High.

Is the actual delta difference of time between McLean and Langley for these kids as it is for most Forestville kids to go to HHS instead of Langley. So much for trying to streamline transportation, though we all know it has never been about that.


They just changed the elementary school boundaries in late 2023 so that 100% of Sherman feeds to McLean. Before then it was a split feeder with Langley, though most kids went to McLean.

I don't see them revisiting the Sherman assignment on 4/25, but they'll likely be taking a look at the two split feeders to McLean that currently split 80% to Marshall and 20% to McLean - Westgate and Lemon Road. The 4/11 scenarios envisioned moving a little bit more of Westgate to McLean, but who knows whether they'll propose something incremental or entirely different on 4/25.

I think their plan to bridge Timber Lane to the rest of the McLean boundary might involve swapping some of Shrevewood and Lemon Road where its boundary dips below 7. That way Shrevewood would remain a single feeder and Lemon Road would be a >25% split.


They can't actually bridge the Timber Lane island to the rest of the Longfellow/McLean area because of the land that Falls Church City now owns near Haycock Road and Route 7 (the area that includes Meridian HS and Maryl Ellen Henderson MS).

The 4/11 presentation pretends they can eliminate the attendance island by moving part of Shrevewood to Longfellow/McLean. It shrinks the distance between the island and the rest of the Longfellow/McLean attendance area, but it doesn't actually eliminate it (the map in the 4/11 presentation appeares to be misleading in this regard) and it creates a new split feeder at Shrevewood, where some kids would go to Longfellow/McLean and most to Kilmer/Marshall.

I'm also not sure how this swap you've described would work. The Lemon Road area is further west of the current Timber Lane island, and the Lemon Road area on the other side of Route 7 is within walking distance of Marshall. The area described above that would shrink but not eliminate the island includes an area within walking distance of Shrevewood. So I'm missing how you swap their boundaries and eliminate the island.

The reality is that if they really care so much about eliminating attendance islands they ought to reassign the Timber Lane island to either Marshall or Falls Church, but they apparently want to bump up the FARMS percentage at Longfellow and/or McLean, as illustrated by the proposal to move the area much further south near Graham Road and Route 50 area to Longfellow. Why they aren't doing this, and then reassigning even more of closer Westgate to Longfellow/McLean escapes me.


Are you questioning Thru’s crayon coloring ability? Surely the bridge of the Timberlane attendance island is the most importantly thing they’ve done. Having that handful of extra households going to a different school is just so critical.

They should just leave that attendance island as is, and just call it what it is, an equity bridge.
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Anonymous wrote:I think connecting the timber lane island with a bit from falls hill so it’s “connected” on map is fine if it’s needed but don’t think we need to extend to 50. My kid went to timber lane. Longfellow, and now is at McLean. We are equal distant to McLean, Marshall, and Falls church but the kids by 50 are much closer to falls church.


They are doing anything to bump capacity up at Cooper and Langley to cut FHES to Herndon.


Sending kids that border Loudoun Co. to Langley is insane.


As insane as sending kids near 50 to McLean? because I looked and it adds the exact same amount of time to their commute.

Like it or not, the difference to HMS is within a couple minutes commute of Cooper and less than ten to HHS vs Langley.

Your equity obsession is showing.


They aren't proposing (yet) to send kids near Route 50 to McLean, just to Longfellow. They would leave these kids at Falls Church. Of course, that's even more bizarre, since about 95% of Longfellow goes to McLean. I guess they left them at Falls Church because they didn't want to add kids to overcrowded McLean, and maybe they even realized Falls Church is getting expanded, but all that should have also suggested leaving these kids at Jackson and maintaining the fairly even split feeder at Timber Lane.


Same analysis holds for Longfellow. The person who thinks it’s insane to send great falls to Langley surely feels the same about busing these poor kids to Longfellow, right?


I don't think that the proposed Timber Lane/Longfellow adjustment to 50 makes any sense. But if you are trying to convince me that Forestville should go anywhere other than Herndon, you'll fail. If I pick a nice central location on Seneca, it is 4 miles and less than 10 min from Herndon. It is 11 miles and 22 minutes (non-rush!) to Langley. There's simply no argument except people want to go to the rich school.

But I'm not just going to call out Forestville. Why is Westbriar the way it is, and why on earth would the western kids go to Marshall? Langley, Marshall, Madison, and McLean need to be more compact and be prepped to divide up any growth in Tysons.




You are picking the furthest point in Forestville intentionally, and it’s clear what your agenda is. The fact is that on average from Forestville you save two minutes to HMS than Cooper, and 9 to HHS from Langley. Those are rounding errors, despite you trying to convince everyone that it’s otherwise.


I already know you’ll call me an “equity warrior” but Katy Perry could have seen that FVES should go to Herndon from her little outer space jaunt.


So, who should go to Langley to replace them?


They are slowly sneaking the over-capacity McLean into Langley. The 4/11 projections are sneaky because the new capacities are WITH modulars. There should be an additional column to show new capacities WITHOUT.

CIP provides these projections and McLean for example, goes from 103% to 118% for 2030 with and then without modulars.

They will re-highlight the need to rid of modulars for the capacity studies even though parents have said it’s fine to have them.

Many of the 4/11 capacities sitting under their new limit of 105% will sky rocket - hence, Franklin Sherman moving into Langley, pushing FVES out. The other Langley ES schools have have some capacity shifts as well towards under-capacity Great Falls ES.


Just pointing out that moving Franklin Sherman elementary moves a number of kids who can walk to McLean High.

Is the actual delta difference of time between McLean and Langley for these kids as it is for most Forestville kids to go to HHS instead of Langley. So much for trying to streamline transportation, though we all know it has never been about that.


They just changed the elementary school boundaries in late 2023 so that 100% of Sherman feeds to McLean. Before then it was a split feeder with Langley, though most kids went to McLean.

I don't see them revisiting the Sherman assignment on 4/25, but they'll likely be taking a look at the two split feeders to McLean that currently split 80% to Marshall and 20% to McLean - Westgate and Lemon Road. The 4/11 scenarios envisioned moving a little bit more of Westgate to McLean, but who knows whether they'll propose something incremental or entirely different on 4/25.

I think their plan to bridge Timber Lane to the rest of the McLean boundary might involve swapping some of Shrevewood and Lemon Road where its boundary dips below 7. That way Shrevewood would remain a single feeder and Lemon Road would be a >25% split.


They can't actually bridge the Timber Lane island to the rest of the Longfellow/McLean area because of the land that Falls Church City now owns near Haycock Road and Route 7 (the area that includes Meridian HS and Maryl Ellen Henderson MS).

The 4/11 presentation pretends they can eliminate the attendance island by moving part of Shrevewood to Longfellow/McLean. It shrinks the distance between the island and the rest of the Longfellow/McLean attendance area, but it doesn't actually eliminate it (the map in the 4/11 presentation appeares to be misleading in this regard) and it creates a new split feeder at Shrevewood, where some kids would go to Longfellow/McLean and most to Kilmer/Marshall.

I'm also not sure how this swap you've described would work. The Lemon Road area is further west of the current Timber Lane island, and the Lemon Road area on the other side of Route 7 is within walking distance of Marshall. The area described above that would shrink but not eliminate the island includes an area within walking distance of Shrevewood. So I'm missing how you swap their boundaries and eliminate the island.

The reality is that if they really care so much about eliminating attendance islands they ought to reassign the Timber Lane island to either Marshall or Falls Church, but they apparently want to bump up the FARMS percentage at Longfellow and/or McLean, as illustrated by the proposal to move the area much further south near Graham Road and Route 50 area to Longfellow. Why they aren't doing this, and then reassigning even more of closer Westgate to Longfellow/McLean escapes me.


Are you questioning Thru’s crayon coloring ability? Surely the bridge of the Timberlane attendance island is the most importantly thing they’ve done. Having that handful of extra households going to a different school is just so critical.

They should just leave that attendance island as is, and just call it what it is, an equity bridge.


+1. Either they drew their map wrong, or they didn't bridge the island.

I'm with you. Just leave it alone as is. Timber Lane is a fairly even split feeder, so it falls in the category of those they claim not to be a priority on 4/25 (the > 25% split feeders).
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Only Fox Mill and a small pocket of Floris kids go to SLHS (roughly 25% or less).


It's far more than a small pocket of Floris going to South Lakes. It may not be half, but it is more than a pocket.
Add that to Fox Mill, and I would guess it is close to 30 % of those in boundary. (Some may PP out.)


No way.

McNair: 512
McNair upper: 616
Coates: 951
Crossfield: 556
Floris: 699
Fox Mill: 645
Total: 3979
Fox Mill + Half of floris= 995 or 25% (and less than half of Floris kids go to SLHS)

By the way Crossfield/Oakton is lees than 15% (and the FCPS puts Carson under Oakton boundary).

More than 60% of Carson kids live in Westfield boundary.






Yes. the largest percentage go to Westfield, but not as high as you say.

Some of Coates goes to Herndon Middle. No idea how many, but at least 50, I think
McNair numbers include 136 preschool. So you need to subtract that from Westfield number.
Crossfield number does not include the 51 that go to Navy for AAP. So that number should be 607.
Fox Mill has 29 that go to Oak Hill for AAP. So add that number to South Lakes.


Also, the formula for figuring how many kids go to a school yields fewer in apartments for high school. So, it is unlikely that the apartments feeding to Westfield will yield that many kids.

So, while the largest number goes to Westfield from Carson, I think the other percentages are higher than you suggest--especially when you apply a different yield to the apartments for high school kids.



It was a rough calculation.

But some Crossfield kids go to Hughes. So you should substract that.

Less than half of Floris kids go to SLHS so if you want to be exact, the number should to down.

So my rough calc should be roughly correct. For Carson bounday kids: 25% SLHS, 15% OHS, and 60% Westfield


And many Fox Mill Japanese immersion students come from outside Fox Mill boundary.


I have not looked at the numbers, but I would guess that about 1/3 of the Fox Mill student population comes from outside the boundaries for JI. I know many of those students continue to Carson and participate in JI at Carson. I am not certain how many of them will continue to SLHS or Oakton, the two HS I know with Japanese. I am guessing Langley has Japanese because I think that is where the GFES kids attend HS?

Someone said that Floris used to have JI, that is news to me, interesting fact. I know of the GFES JI program but had never heard about Floris.
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Anonymous wrote:I think connecting the timber lane island with a bit from falls hill so it’s “connected” on map is fine if it’s needed but don’t think we need to extend to 50. My kid went to timber lane. Longfellow, and now is at McLean. We are equal distant to McLean, Marshall, and Falls church but the kids by 50 are much closer to falls church.


They are doing anything to bump capacity up at Cooper and Langley to cut FHES to Herndon.


Sending kids that border Loudoun Co. to Langley is insane.


As insane as sending kids near 50 to McLean? because I looked and it adds the exact same amount of time to their commute.

Like it or not, the difference to HMS is within a couple minutes commute of Cooper and less than ten to HHS vs Langley.

Your equity obsession is showing.


They aren't proposing (yet) to send kids near Route 50 to McLean, just to Longfellow. They would leave these kids at Falls Church. Of course, that's even more bizarre, since about 95% of Longfellow goes to McLean. I guess they left them at Falls Church because they didn't want to add kids to overcrowded McLean, and maybe they even realized Falls Church is getting expanded, but all that should have also suggested leaving these kids at Jackson and maintaining the fairly even split feeder at Timber Lane.


Same analysis holds for Longfellow. The person who thinks it’s insane to send great falls to Langley surely feels the same about busing these poor kids to Longfellow, right?


I don't think that the proposed Timber Lane/Longfellow adjustment to 50 makes any sense. But if you are trying to convince me that Forestville should go anywhere other than Herndon, you'll fail. If I pick a nice central location on Seneca, it is 4 miles and less than 10 min from Herndon. It is 11 miles and 22 minutes (non-rush!) to Langley. There's simply no argument except people want to go to the rich school.

But I'm not just going to call out Forestville. Why is Westbriar the way it is, and why on earth would the western kids go to Marshall? Langley, Marshall, Madison, and McLean need to be more compact and be prepped to divide up any growth in Tysons.




You are picking the furthest point in Forestville intentionally, and it’s clear what your agenda is. The fact is that on average from Forestville you save two minutes to HMS than Cooper, and 9 to HHS from Langley. Those are rounding errors, despite you trying to convince everyone that it’s otherwise.


I already know you’ll call me an “equity warrior” but Katy Perry could have seen that FVES should go to Herndon from her little outer space jaunt.


So, who should go to Langley to replace them?


They are slowly sneaking the over-capacity McLean into Langley. The 4/11 projections are sneaky because the new capacities are WITH modulars. There should be an additional column to show new capacities WITHOUT.

CIP provides these projections and McLean for example, goes from 103% to 118% for 2030 with and then without modulars.

They will re-highlight the need to rid of modulars for the capacity studies even though parents have said it’s fine to have them.

Many of the 4/11 capacities sitting under their new limit of 105% will sky rocket - hence, Franklin Sherman moving into Langley, pushing FVES out. The other Langley ES schools have have some capacity shifts as well towards under-capacity Great Falls ES.


Just pointing out that moving Franklin Sherman elementary moves a number of kids who can walk to McLean High.

Is the actual delta difference of time between McLean and Langley for these kids as it is for most Forestville kids to go to HHS instead of Langley. So much for trying to streamline transportation, though we all know it has never been about that.


They just changed the elementary school boundaries in late 2023 so that 100% of Sherman feeds to McLean. Before then it was a split feeder with Langley, though most kids went to McLean.

I don't see them revisiting the Sherman assignment on 4/25, but they'll likely be taking a look at the two split feeders to McLean that currently split 80% to Marshall and 20% to McLean - Westgate and Lemon Road. The 4/11 scenarios envisioned moving a little bit more of Westgate to McLean, but who knows whether they'll propose something incremental or entirely different on 4/25.

I think their plan to bridge Timber Lane to the rest of the McLean boundary might involve swapping some of Shrevewood and Lemon Road where its boundary dips below 7. That way Shrevewood would remain a single feeder and Lemon Road would be a >25% split.


They can't actually bridge the Timber Lane island to the rest of the Longfellow/McLean area because of the land that Falls Church City now owns near Haycock Road and Route 7 (the area that includes Meridian HS and Maryl Ellen Henderson MS).

The 4/11 presentation pretends they can eliminate the attendance island by moving part of Shrevewood to Longfellow/McLean. It shrinks the distance between the island and the rest of the Longfellow/McLean attendance area, but it doesn't actually eliminate it (the map in the 4/11 presentation appeares to be misleading in this regard) and it creates a new split feeder at Shrevewood, where some kids would go to Longfellow/McLean and most to Kilmer/Marshall.

I'm also not sure how this swap you've described would work. The Lemon Road area is further west of the current Timber Lane island, and the Lemon Road area on the other side of Route 7 is within walking distance of Marshall. The area described above that would shrink but not eliminate the island includes an area within walking distance of Shrevewood. So I'm missing how you swap their boundaries and eliminate the island.

The reality is that if they really care so much about eliminating attendance islands they ought to reassign the Timber Lane island to either Marshall or Falls Church, but they apparently want to bump up the FARMS percentage at Longfellow and/or McLean, as illustrated by the proposal to move the area much further south near Graham Road and Route 50 area to Longfellow. Why they aren't doing this, and then reassigning even more of closer Westgate to Longfellow/McLean escapes me.


Are you questioning Thru’s crayon coloring ability? Surely the bridge of the Timberlane attendance island is the most importantly thing they’ve done. Having that handful of extra households going to a different school is just so critical.

They should just leave that attendance island as is, and just call it what it is, an equity bridge.


+1. Either they drew their map wrong, or they didn't bridge the island.

I'm with you. Just leave it alone as is. Timber Lane is a fairly even split feeder, so it falls in the category of those they claim not to be a priority on 4/25 (the > 25% split feeders).


Isn’t Dunne hyper focused on getting rid of trailers? Don’t they need to move the Timberlane attendance island to achieve that goal? If One Fairfax is still at play and that is why the attendance island isn’t moving, they should make it crystal clear for us
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