Bethesda Soccer On Way Down

[Anonymous]

Because it’s fraud.
Outright.
They don’t deliver on what they say and write that they will deliver.
That includes development, IDPs, practices both number and quality, and tournaments.
Also college discussions.
There was a lot stated and promised on slides that never happened for many teams.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The “other” team in that division is also having a bit of a bloodletting of players for the exact same reason.

Just a colossally dumb move by these clubs with otherwise talented teams, and they are rightfully paying for the hubris of ignoring parent input thinking they know best.

Yea what are they thinking. Obviously parents know better than them…

Ummmm wow so you are saying that BSC shouldn’t listen to parent concerns and as parents you should just let coaches do what they want with your kids development. That stupid a$$ club works for us moron. You must be a dumba$$ BSC coach or admin, or just a dumba$$ parent. I feel sorry for your child; hopefully you have just the one. Poor kid. Hopefully in the divorce your spouse gets them cause clearly you are a douche and that is gonna catch up to you.

For every good coach in this area, there are 5 behind them who are basically gym teachers with no clue what they’re doing with young people except to come on DCUM and make you feel dumb for not bowing to their combined excellence in soccer and development psychology.

Yeah, most of us parents are clueless about whether kids should be playing not just kids who are bigger and faster, but in divisions where they are far and away more technically sound. We’re all idiots for not telling our 10yos to just toughen up.

Or we just tell them, listen adults are idiots too sometimes, have as much fun as you can and we’ll get you the hell away from these morons at the end of the season. Glad to see MANY folks have done so across “good” clubs.

In this specific case, re a team playing in a wrong division/year, are you all saying that these parents on both/either team went up to the coach or the coach solicited their feedback, the parents voiced their concern, told him not to do it, and the coach did not listen.

Is that what happened here?

Or did the coach make a decision, parents questioned their decision silently or amongst themselves, and took a "well let's see" mentality - and now are upset at the results of the coach's decision.

Seriously, just trying to find out when is the "right" time to voice a concern like this. Should they have pulled out midway during the season?

My DS has never been on a team, where the coach formally asks parents what league or division they should play in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because it’s fraud.
Outright.
They don’t deliver on what they say and write that they will deliver.
That includes development, IDPs, practices both number and quality, and tournaments.
Also college discussions.
There was a lot stated and promised on slides that never happened for many teams.

Assuming you are talking about the older age groups - correct? U15 and above?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Mass Exodus” yet the spots stay filled.

You don't think an exodus of current, longtime first team players is concerning? Lol. You can stay and drink the Koolaid.

What age group has a mass exodus?

I too would like to know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “other” team in that division is also having a bit of a bloodletting of players for the exact same reason.

Just a colossally dumb move by these clubs with otherwise talented teams, and they are rightfully paying for the hubris of ignoring parent input thinking they know best.

Yea what are they thinking. Obviously parents know better than them…

Ummmm wow so you are saying that BSC shouldn’t listen to parent concerns and as parents you should just let coaches do what they want with your kids development. That stupid a$$ club works for us moron. You must be a dumba$$ BSC coach or admin, or just a dumba$$ parent. I feel sorry for your child; hopefully you have just the one. Poor kid. Hopefully in the divorce your spouse gets them cause clearly you are a douche and that is gonna catch up to you.

Triggered. My goodness, soft as Charmin over there. No wonder you got emotional and quit.

Triggered or not, dude’s got a point.

Does he though? The club is still very successful and until something changes, the club that provides the best competition in MoCo.

yeah he still has a point if you bothered to actually read what they wrote. soccer clubs get paid by the parents, and if the parents have concerns, they should have a venue to bring those concerns up. parent concerns shouldn't be dismissed. club is still successful? no one in texas or california has heard of this program buddy. their "success" don't mean shit.

Rightttt so let me break it down for you.

They are successful because parents will continue to pay them. They have a monopoly in this area. So eventually you will open your eyes and see that you running away means another spot is taken from another player. It’s not what you want to hear but it’s the reality. Im not saying they shouldn’t have parent feedback but thinking parents know better for the soccer club is ridiculous. Why would they change their successful formula?

They said nothing about the club, they were speaking about the player and/or team. You should try reading comments before commenting. Keep making the same mistake it seems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it’s fraud.
Outright.
They don’t deliver on what they say and write that they will deliver.
That includes development, IDPs, practices both number and quality, and tournaments.
Also college discussions.
There was a lot stated and promised on slides that never happened for many teams.

Assuming you are talking about the older age groups - correct? U15 and above?

Yes U15 and up, and not first teams. No idea what happens there, but I’m sure it’s nothing like the mess on the other teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “other” team in that division is also having a bit of a bloodletting of players for the exact same reason.

Just a colossally dumb move by these clubs with otherwise talented teams, and they are rightfully paying for the hubris of ignoring parent input thinking they know best.

Yea what are they thinking. Obviously parents know better than them…

Ummmm wow so you are saying that BSC shouldn’t listen to parent concerns and as parents you should just let coaches do what they want with your kids development. That stupid a$$ club works for us moron. You must be a dumba$$ BSC coach or admin, or just a dumba$$ parent. I feel sorry for your child; hopefully you have just the one. Poor kid. Hopefully in the divorce your spouse gets them cause clearly you are a douche and that is gonna catch up to you.

For every good coach in this area, there are 5 behind them who are basically gym teachers with no clue what they’re doing with young people except to come on DCUM and make you feel dumb for not bowing to their combined excellence in soccer and development psychology.

Yeah, most of us parents are clueless about whether kids should be playing not just kids who are bigger and faster, but in divisions where they are far and away more technically sound. We’re all idiots for not telling our 10yos to just toughen up.

Or we just tell them, listen adults are idiots too sometimes, have as much fun as you can and we’ll get you the hell away from these morons at the end of the season. Glad to see MANY folks have done so across “good” clubs.

In this specific case, re a team playing in a wrong division/year, are you all saying that these parents on both/either team went up to the coach or the coach solicited their feedback, the parents voiced their concern, told him not to do it, and the coach did not listen.

Is that what happened here?

Or did the coach make a decision, parents questioned their decision silently or amongst themselves, and took a "well let's see" mentality - and now are upset at the results of the coach's decision.

Seriously, just trying to find out when is the "right" time to voice a concern like this. Should they have pulled out midway during the season?

My DS has never been on a team, where the coach formally asks parents what league or division they should play in.

Not sure what others did but we spoke to BM multiple times during the season about our concerns that our player and most of the team were regressing in skill. As others pointed out multiple times, it’s not about winning or losing, but development. However, multiple big losses led to the coach and the players trying to adjust to playing up against more technically sound and faster, but not always bigger opposing players. That led, if parents watched them, to practices that did not show progression but regression for many players. Directly a result of BM’s decisions and the players game experiences. Between fall and spring, that was really the constant to follow, given differences in opponent caliber.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “other” team in that division is also having a bit of a bloodletting of players for the exact same reason.

Just a colossally dumb move by these clubs with otherwise talented teams, and they are rightfully paying for the hubris of ignoring parent input thinking they know best.

Yea what are they thinking. Obviously parents know better than them…

Ummmm wow so you are saying that BSC shouldn’t listen to parent concerns and as parents you should just let coaches do what they want with your kids development. That stupid a$$ club works for us moron. You must be a dumba$$ BSC coach or admin, or just a dumba$$ parent. I feel sorry for your child; hopefully you have just the one. Poor kid. Hopefully in the divorce your spouse gets them cause clearly you are a douche and that is gonna catch up to you.

Triggered. My goodness, soft as Charmin over there. No wonder you got emotional and quit.

Triggered or not, dude’s got a point.

Does he though? The club is still very successful and until something changes, the club that provides the best competition in MoCo.

yeah he still has a point if you bothered to actually read what they wrote. soccer clubs get paid by the parents, and if the parents have concerns, they should have a venue to bring those concerns up. parent concerns shouldn't be dismissed. club is still successful? no one in texas or california has heard of this program buddy. their "success" don't mean shit.

Rightttt so let me break it down for you.

They are successful because parents will continue to pay them. They have a monopoly in this area. So eventually you will open your eyes and see that you running away means another spot is taken from another player. It’s not what you want to hear but it’s the reality. Im not saying they shouldn’t have parent feedback but thinking parents know better for the soccer club is ridiculous. Why would they change their successful formula?

They said nothing about the club, they were speaking about the player and/or team. You should try reading comments before commenting. Keep making the same mistake it seems.

They certainly did. Maybe you should scroll up bud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “other” team in that division is also having a bit of a bloodletting of players for the exact same reason.

Just a colossally dumb move by these clubs with otherwise talented teams, and they are rightfully paying for the hubris of ignoring parent input thinking they know best.

Yea what are they thinking. Obviously parents know better than them…

Ummmm wow so you are saying that BSC shouldn’t listen to parent concerns and as parents you should just let coaches do what they want with your kids development. That stupid a$$ club works for us moron. You must be a dumba$$ BSC coach or admin, or just a dumba$$ parent. I feel sorry for your child; hopefully you have just the one. Poor kid. Hopefully in the divorce your spouse gets them cause clearly you are a douche and that is gonna catch up to you.

For every good coach in this area, there are 5 behind them who are basically gym teachers with no clue what they’re doing with young people except to come on DCUM and make you feel dumb for not bowing to their combined excellence in soccer and development psychology.

Yeah, most of us parents are clueless about whether kids should be playing not just kids who are bigger and faster, but in divisions where they are far and away more technically sound. We’re all idiots for not telling our 10yos to just toughen up.

Or we just tell them, listen adults are idiots too sometimes, have as much fun as you can and we’ll get you the hell away from these morons at the end of the season. Glad to see MANY folks have done so across “good” clubs.

In this specific case, re a team playing in a wrong division/year, are you all saying that these parents on both/either team went up to the coach or the coach solicited their feedback, the parents voiced their concern, told him not to do it, and the coach did not listen.

Is that what happened here?

Or did the coach make a decision, parents questioned their decision silently or amongst themselves, and took a "well let's see" mentality - and now are upset at the results of the coach's decision.

Seriously, just trying to find out when is the "right" time to voice a concern like this. Should they have pulled out midway during the season?

My DS has never been on a team, where the coach formally asks parents what league or division they should play in.

Not sure what others did but we spoke to BM multiple times during the season about our concerns that our player and most of the team were regressing in skill. As others pointed out multiple times, it’s not about winning or losing, but development. However, multiple big losses led to the coach and the players trying to adjust to playing up against more technically sound and faster, but not always bigger opposing players. That led, if parents watched them, to practices that did not show progression but regression for many players. Directly a result of BM’s decisions and the players game experiences. Between fall and spring, that was really the constant to follow, given differences in opponent caliber.

OK - got it. That is unfortunate re the regression of the team.

What would be the best solution in this case, given that it sounds like concerns were shared mid-season?
Change in practice style?
Change in coach?
Additional players?

Were there suggestions given to the coach that he did not heed?

Sounds like it was a no win situation once the train left the station. No?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “other” team in that division is also having a bit of a bloodletting of players for the exact same reason.

Just a colossally dumb move by these clubs with otherwise talented teams, and they are rightfully paying for the hubris of ignoring parent input thinking they know best.

Yea what are they thinking. Obviously parents know better than them…

Ummmm wow so you are saying that BSC shouldn’t listen to parent concerns and as parents you should just let coaches do what they want with your kids development. That stupid a$$ club works for us moron. You must be a dumba$$ BSC coach or admin, or just a dumba$$ parent. I feel sorry for your child; hopefully you have just the one. Poor kid. Hopefully in the divorce your spouse gets them cause clearly you are a douche and that is gonna catch up to you.

For every good coach in this area, there are 5 behind them who are basically gym teachers with no clue what they’re doing with young people except to come on DCUM and make you feel dumb for not bowing to their combined excellence in soccer and development psychology.

Yeah, most of us parents are clueless about whether kids should be playing not just kids who are bigger and faster, but in divisions where they are far and away more technically sound. We’re all idiots for not telling our 10yos to just toughen up.

Or we just tell them, listen adults are idiots too sometimes, have as much fun as you can and we’ll get you the hell away from these morons at the end of the season. Glad to see MANY folks have done so across “good” clubs.

In this specific case, re a team playing in a wrong division/year, are you all saying that these parents on both/either team went up to the coach or the coach solicited their feedback, the parents voiced their concern, told him not to do it, and the coach did not listen.

Is that what happened here?

Or did the coach make a decision, parents questioned their decision silently or amongst themselves, and took a "well let's see" mentality - and now are upset at the results of the coach's decision.

Seriously, just trying to find out when is the "right" time to voice a concern like this. Should they have pulled out midway during the season?

My DS has never been on a team, where the coach formally asks parents what league or division they should play in.

Not sure what others did but we spoke to BM multiple times during the season about our concerns that our player and most of the team were regressing in skill. As others pointed out multiple times, it’s not about winning or losing, but development. However, multiple big losses led to the coach and the players trying to adjust to playing up against more technically sound and faster, but not always bigger opposing players. That led, if parents watched them, to practices that did not show progression but regression for many players. Directly a result of BM’s decisions and the players game experiences. Between fall and spring, that was really the constant to follow, given differences in opponent caliber.

OK - got it. That is unfortunate re the regression of the team.

What would be the best solution in this case, given that it sounds like concerns were shared mid-season?
Change in practice style?
Change in coach?
Additional players?

Were there suggestions given to the coach that he did not heed?

Sounds like it was a no win situation once the train left the station. No?

They just played against tougher opponents and looked “bad” but that was more the strength of the opponents versus weakness of the team. I also don’t think this matters. If you ask the players after their last game Saturday, they’ll have moved on to the next thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “other” team in that division is also having a bit of a bloodletting of players for the exact same reason.

Just a colossally dumb move by these clubs with otherwise talented teams, and they are rightfully paying for the hubris of ignoring parent input thinking they know best.

Yea what are they thinking. Obviously parents know better than them…

Ummmm wow so you are saying that BSC shouldn’t listen to parent concerns and as parents you should just let coaches do what they want with your kids development. That stupid a$$ club works for us moron. You must be a dumba$$ BSC coach or admin, or just a dumba$$ parent. I feel sorry for your child; hopefully you have just the one. Poor kid. Hopefully in the divorce your spouse gets them cause clearly you are a douche and that is gonna catch up to you.

For every good coach in this area, there are 5 behind them who are basically gym teachers with no clue what they’re doing with young people except to come on DCUM and make you feel dumb for not bowing to their combined excellence in soccer and development psychology.

Yeah, most of us parents are clueless about whether kids should be playing not just kids who are bigger and faster, but in divisions where they are far and away more technically sound. We’re all idiots for not telling our 10yos to just toughen up.

Or we just tell them, listen adults are idiots too sometimes, have as much fun as you can and we’ll get you the hell away from these morons at the end of the season. Glad to see MANY folks have done so across “good” clubs.

In this specific case, re a team playing in a wrong division/year, are you all saying that these parents on both/either team went up to the coach or the coach solicited their feedback, the parents voiced their concern, told him not to do it, and the coach did not listen.

Is that what happened here?

Or did the coach make a decision, parents questioned their decision silently or amongst themselves, and took a "well let's see" mentality - and now are upset at the results of the coach's decision.

Seriously, just trying to find out when is the "right" time to voice a concern like this. Should they have pulled out midway during the season?

My DS has never been on a team, where the coach formally asks parents what league or division they should play in.

Speaking generally, it’s not unusual for clubs to have a season roadmap, we’re thinking of playing X and Y in the fall, A and B in the Spring and L,M,N,O,P tourneys.

On the BSC front sounds like the concerns were expressed directly and waved off when there was time to do something. As a result, families left. As for the other club that did the same, similar situation, concerns voiced directly when there was time to change course and waved off, and as a result families left.

It’s pretty simple, there are very very few teams who legitimately should be “playing up” let alone at the highest level of a year above. The remaining 95% would be wise to perhaps listen to parents of generally very good players when they say, ahead of time, chill out, no one is asking for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “other” team in that division is also having a bit of a bloodletting of players for the exact same reason.

Just a colossally dumb move by these clubs with otherwise talented teams, and they are rightfully paying for the hubris of ignoring parent input thinking they know best.

Yea what are they thinking. Obviously parents know better than them…

Ummmm wow so you are saying that BSC shouldn’t listen to parent concerns and as parents you should just let coaches do what they want with your kids development. That stupid a$$ club works for us moron. You must be a dumba$$ BSC coach or admin, or just a dumba$$ parent. I feel sorry for your child; hopefully you have just the one. Poor kid. Hopefully in the divorce your spouse gets them cause clearly you are a douche and that is gonna catch up to you.

Triggered. My goodness, soft as Charmin over there. No wonder you got emotional and quit.

Triggered or not, dude’s got a point.

Does he though? The club is still very successful and until something changes, the club that provides the best competition in MoCo.

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

How do you define competition?

Ranking, training environment or collection of the best talent that collectively does not reach their peak because of a substandard training environment?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “other” team in that division is also having a bit of a bloodletting of players for the exact same reason.

Just a colossally dumb move by these clubs with otherwise talented teams, and they are rightfully paying for the hubris of ignoring parent input thinking they know best.

Yea what are they thinking. Obviously parents know better than them…

Ummmm wow so you are saying that BSC shouldn’t listen to parent concerns and as parents you should just let coaches do what they want with your kids development. That stupid a$$ club works for us moron. You must be a dumba$$ BSC coach or admin, or just a dumba$$ parent. I feel sorry for your child; hopefully you have just the one. Poor kid. Hopefully in the divorce your spouse gets them cause clearly you are a douche and that is gonna catch up to you.

Triggered. My goodness, soft as Charmin over there. No wonder you got emotional and quit.

Triggered or not, dude’s got a point.

Does he though? The club is still very successful and until something changes, the club that provides the best competition in MoCo.

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

How do you define competition?

Ranking, training environment or collection of the best talent that collectively does not reach their peak because of a substandard training environment?

MLS-Next and ECNL teams are the best competition… not that hard to understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “other” team in that division is also having a bit of a bloodletting of players for the exact same reason.

Just a colossally dumb move by these clubs with otherwise talented teams, and they are rightfully paying for the hubris of ignoring parent input thinking they know best.

Yea what are they thinking. Obviously parents know better than them…

Ummmm wow so you are saying that BSC shouldn’t listen to parent concerns and as parents you should just let coaches do what they want with your kids development. That stupid a$$ club works for us moron. You must be a dumba$$ BSC coach or admin, or just a dumba$$ parent. I feel sorry for your child; hopefully you have just the one. Poor kid. Hopefully in the divorce your spouse gets them cause clearly you are a douche and that is gonna catch up to you.

For every good coach in this area, there are 5 behind them who are basically gym teachers with no clue what they’re doing with young people except to come on DCUM and make you feel dumb for not bowing to their combined excellence in soccer and development psychology.

Yeah, most of us parents are clueless about whether kids should be playing not just kids who are bigger and faster, but in divisions where they are far and away more technically sound. We’re all idiots for not telling our 10yos to just toughen up.

Or we just tell them, listen adults are idiots too sometimes, have as much fun as you can and we’ll get you the hell away from these morons at the end of the season. Glad to see MANY folks have done so across “good” clubs.

In this specific case, re a team playing in a wrong division/year, are you all saying that these parents on both/either team went up to the coach or the coach solicited their feedback, the parents voiced their concern, told him not to do it, and the coach did not listen.

Is that what happened here?

Or did the coach make a decision, parents questioned their decision silently or amongst themselves, and took a "well let's see" mentality - and now are upset at the results of the coach's decision.

Seriously, just trying to find out when is the "right" time to voice a concern like this. Should they have pulled out midway during the season?

My DS has never been on a team, where the coach formally asks parents what league or division they should play in.

Speaking generally, it’s not unusual for clubs to have a season roadmap, we’re thinking of playing X and Y in the fall, A and B in the Spring and L,M,N,O,P tourneys.

On the BSC front sounds like the concerns were expressed directly and waved off when there was time to do something. As a result, families left. As for the other club that did the same, similar situation, concerns voiced directly when there was time to change course and waved off, and as a result families left.

It’s pretty simple, there are very very few teams who legitimately should be “playing up” let alone at the highest level of a year above. The remaining 95% would be wise to perhaps listen to parents of generally very good players when they say, ahead of time, chill out, no one is asking for this.

Actually, I have seen a number of teams in this age group play up, just not in the highest division. BSC's 2nd team played up but in a lower division and did very well!!!!

[Anonymous]

Oh how I wish I could change this title. 201 pages from misguided hate.