Mother and Child Shot at P and 10th NW

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If a rabid dog appeared from the woods and bit your kid, would you actually engage with the animal?

Do you think this man was wearing a sign saying “I shoot kids”? Obviously the victims could not immediately tell this man was homicidal.

If the perp was a nun wearing her church outfit, I would agree. Stop being coy. Every fact that would be immediately knowable to the victims should have led them to believe that yes, he might as well have had a sign saying I shoot kids (and women in the back). Do you live under a rock or have you allowed your wokeness to distort your view of reality?

I’m the opposite of woke, PP. You have no idea what you’re talking about. (You know what does sound woke? Blaming a white victim for not being sufficiently submissive to a violent black man.)

What about the perpetrator makes you think it’s obvious he was homicidal? Can you get specific? I frequently encounter men who look like him around the city, and none of them have been violent toward me.

Have you ever confronted these individuals for anti-social behavior in an environment where you are particularly vulnerable, i.e., with ur kid standing there or in front of ur house while u r spending time with ur family? U shouldn't. The way to deal with these individuals when u r in a vulnerable situation is keep silent and call the cops. Gentrification eventually solves this problem. The problem isn't solved by reasoning with people who are unwilling or unable to reason. The last two decades have seen the benefits of gentrification- there is still a little work to be done, but the city is only a decade or so from being completely gentrified. Then these stories will be man bites dog stories, rare and remarkable.

You know what doesn’t solve the problem? Blaming the victims. Blaming victims of violent crime doesn’t reduce crime; it just hurts victims. To reduce violent crime, you need to focus on the perpetrators and would-be perpetrators, not those they have harmed.

People are simply pointing out that the victims did not live in CC Hills or CC Section whatever. Rather, they live in a community that is quickly becoming, but has not yet become, civilized. Transitioning communities have people like the perp here that you simply would never encounter in NA or CC. The way to eradicate this type of creature is not through direct confrontation citizen to citizen and it's beyond naive to suggest that such an approach is effective. Instead, call the cops, call the cops and call the cops. Also critically, vote for representatives that favor heavy policing and accountability. As the city becomes more gentrified, the electable politicians will become less soft on crime, defund the police types and more law and order types.

Unfortunately right now you have the opposite happening. Woke politicians like Charles Allen are coddling criminals and defunding the police, which emboldens even more outrageous violent behavior, which causes educated families to leave DC, which leaves fewer voters in favor of pro-safety measures.

The shooter was in the wrong. (Can’t believe this needs saying.)
Victim-blaming, as you’re doing, is shameful. Stop it.
The family should and will be able to tell someone not to run down toddlers.
The shooter committed a crime with a gun.
The easiest way to reduce crime like this is to increase gun control and remove guns from everyone.
The only people that use the word woke non-sarcastically are poor fools, lied to by Republicans. Anti-wokeness identity politics is the core of the modern Republican Party — and it distracts from real issues.
Prosecuting crime is important and we should prosecute violent crime and get guns out of the hands of everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Suggest not engaging with the conservative trolls in this thread, many of whom don’t live in DC.

The way to beat trolling is just to keep repeating your truth. If you try to debunk they’ll just change their lie. Normally you want to use a truth sandwich: lead with the truth, note the lie, then return to the truth. The trolls will work hard to distract you into peripheral arguments where they are not obviously wrong. Don’t take the bait. Just reply by restating the main truth.

What are you even talking about? The "main truth" here is that a mother and 5-year old child got shot for no reason. This sort of senseless violent crime is completely outrageous - or at least it should be - no matter whether your politics are left or right. Are we supposed to just "keep repeating the truth" that the violent criminal is the real victim here like in some kind of cult?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If a rabid dog appeared from the woods and bit your kid, would you actually engage with the animal?

Do you think this man was wearing a sign saying “I shoot kids”? Obviously the victims could not immediately tell this man was homicidal.

If the perp was a nun wearing her church outfit, I would agree. Stop being coy. Every fact that would be immediately knowable to the victims should have led them to believe that yes, he might as well have had a sign saying I shoot kids (and women in the back). Do you live under a rock or have you allowed your wokeness to distort your view of reality?

I’m the opposite of woke, PP. You have no idea what you’re talking about. (You know what does sound woke? Blaming a white victim for not being sufficiently submissive to a violent black man.)

What about the perpetrator makes you think it’s obvious he was homicidal? Can you get specific? I frequently encounter men who look like him around the city, and none of them have been violent toward me.

Have you ever confronted these individuals for anti-social behavior in an environment where you are particularly vulnerable, i.e., with ur kid standing there or in front of ur house while u r spending time with ur family? U shouldn't. The way to deal with these individuals when u r in a vulnerable situation is keep silent and call the cops. Gentrification eventually solves this problem. The problem isn't solved by reasoning with people who are unwilling or unable to reason. The last two decades have seen the benefits of gentrification- there is still a little work to be done, but the city is only a decade or so from being completely gentrified. Then these stories will be man bites dog stories, rare and remarkable.

You know what doesn’t solve the problem? Blaming the victims. Blaming victims of violent crime doesn’t reduce crime; it just hurts victims. To reduce violent crime, you need to focus on the perpetrators and would-be perpetrators, not those they have harmed.

People are simply pointing out that the victims did not live in CC Hills or CC Section whatever. Rather, they live in a community that is quickly becoming, but has not yet become, civilized. Transitioning communities have people like the perp here that you simply would never encounter in NA or CC. The way to eradicate this type of creature is not through direct confrontation citizen to citizen and it's beyond naive to suggest that such an approach is effective. Instead, call the cops, call the cops and call the cops. Also critically, vote for representatives that favor heavy policing and accountability. As the city becomes more gentrified, the electable politicians will become less soft on crime, defund the police types and more law and order types.

Straw man much? I haven’t seen anyone suggest such an approach is effective. Do you want to show us where you saw that?

Isn't that the premise behind those that contend the victims were right to engage with the perp? That some good could come out of such engagement? If no good and possible tragedy could come from engagement, then engagement is a mistake, no?

I mean, the perp was a homicidal maniac. I think everyone knows you don’t engage homicidal maniacs. But we only know that because he shot a mother and a kid. It wasn’t necessarily immediately apparent. In addition, none of us know exactly how it played out or how quickly. Also none of us know for sure how we would have handled it if it were our family. I’m sure there are hypos I can come up with where you would defend your family, rather than run and hide.

Focusing on criticizing how the victims behaved is like focusing on the skirt lengths of rape victims in order to reduce rape. It’s possible that if the raped women had kept their bodies completely covered, refused to speak or engage with men in any way, and made sure to return to the safety of their home before nightfall, some of those women might not have been raped. However, for reasons that I hope are obvious, that’s not where I choose to focus my energy when it comes to the horrific crime of rape.

[Anonymous]

Suicides don’t count as gun crimes?

We need to ban handguns, like Canada, to reduce gun crime all over America.

And we could ban guns tomorrow. Scalia and his co-partisans, Republicans in robes, made up a fake individual right. The 2nd Amendment, before modern Republicans, was understood as allowing individual gun bans. Just ask Republican Chief Justice Warren Burger. He’s on video saying this.

You and your party have blood on your hands. Attitudes like yours helped get that kid shot. Your vote helped get that kid shot.

And everyone in the world except US Republicans knows this and laughs at you while 1,000 people get shot in Virginia every year including suicides and you excuse it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Suggest not engaging with the conservative trolls in this thread, many of whom don’t live in DC.

The way to beat trolling is just to keep repeating your truth[/b]. If you try to debunk they’ll just change their lie. Normally you want to use a truth sandwich: lead with the truth, note the lie, then return to the truth. The trolls will work hard to distract you into peripheral arguments where they are not obviously wrong. Don’t take the bait. Just reply by restating the main truth[/b].

What are you even talking about? The "main truth" here is that a mother and 5-year old child got shot for no reason. This sort of senseless violent crime is completely outrageous - or at least it should be - no matter whether your politics are left or right. Are we supposed to just "keep repeating the truth" that the violent criminal is the real victim here like in some kind of cult?

(Thank you for the excellent example of trolling!)


The truth:
We could ban guns tomorrow and this shooting would have been much less likely. It’s the shooters fault. Don’t blame the victim.
Prosecute the shooter.
Ban guns.
And Republicans helped the shooter do this by flooding the streets with guns.

See how easy that is?

[Anonymous]

The rape analogy doesn't hold up here and I don't understand why people are using it. You can look up your own rape information but everyone knows it has nothing to do with dress.

All the gun talk is a waste of time too. Do you really think that strict gun control is going to return all the guns out there to the gun factory? Too late.

What needs to be addressed is handling violent individuals. Supermarket shooters, school shooters, street shooters etc. Obviously not easy or we would have done it. Handling the violent mentally ill needs to be addressed and the solutions are harsh.

As far as speaking up to people on the street, YMMV. Some of you want to do it and it's your choice. The reality is that this woman and her child got shot because she and her husband opened their mouths to the wrong person. Doesn't make the shooters actions right but it is what happened. For those unfamiliar, it should be a lesson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suggest not engaging with the conservative trolls in this thread, many of whom don’t live in DC.

The way to beat trolling is just to keep repeating your truth[/b]. If you try to debunk they’ll just change their lie. Normally you want to use a truth sandwich: lead with the truth, note the lie, then return to the truth. The trolls will work hard to distract you into peripheral arguments where they are not obviously wrong. Don’t take the bait. Just reply by restating the main truth[/b].

What are you even talking about? The "main truth" here is that a mother and 5-year old child got shot for no reason. This sort of senseless violent crime is completely outrageous - or at least it should be - no matter whether your politics are left or right. Are we supposed to just "keep repeating the truth" that the violent criminal is the real victim here like in some kind of cult?

(Thank you for the excellent example of trolling!)


The truth:
We could ban guns tomorrow and this shooting would have been much less likely. It’s the shooters fault. Don’t blame the victim.
Prosecute the shooter.
Ban guns.
And Republicans helped the shooter do this by flooding the streets with guns.

See how easy that is?

DP, not a troll. Teaching people how to be street smart and to avoid confrontations is not victim blaming. It’s extremely entitled to think you’re exempt from that when you live in a city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The rape analogy doesn't hold up here and I don't understand why people are using it. You can look up your own rape information but everyone knows it has nothing to do with dress.

All the gun talk is a waste of time too. Do you really think that strict gun control is going to return all the guns out there to the gun factory? Too late.

What needs to be addressed is handling violent individuals. Supermarket shooters, school shooters, street shooters etc. Obviously not easy or we would have done it. Handling the violent mentally ill needs to be addressed and the solutions are harsh.

As far as speaking up to people on the street, YMMV. Some of you want to do it and it's your choice. The reality is that this woman and her child got shot because she and her husband opened their mouths to the wrong person. Doesn't make the shooters actions right but it is what happened. For those unfamiliar, it should be a lesson.

Women’s behavior absolutely can and does affect their likelihood of being raped. That’s a fact. But we as a society have wisely realized that focusing on criticizing rape victims is not the approach we want to take when it comes to the problem of rape.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The rape analogy doesn't hold up here and I don't understand why people are using it. You can look up your own rape information but everyone knows it has nothing to do with dress.

All the gun talk is a waste of time too. Do you really think that strict gun control is going to return all the guns out there to the gun factory? Too late.

What needs to be addressed is handling violent individuals. Supermarket shooters, school shooters, street shooters etc. Obviously not easy or we would have done it. Handling the violent mentally ill needs to be addressed and the solutions are harsh.

As far as speaking up to people on the street, YMMV. Some of you want to do it and it's your choice. The reality is that this woman and her child got shot because she and her husband opened their mouths to the wrong person. Doesn't make the shooters actions right but it is what happened. For those unfamiliar, it should be a lesson.

Agree with you on better management of violent crime but I think gun control is important too. The supply of guns is too high. Also who knows how they would react in an emergency, so I’m not going to blame them. But people should watch their backs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Suicides don’t count as gun crimes?

We need to ban handguns, like Canada, to reduce gun crime all over America.

And we could ban guns tomorrow. Scalia and his co-partisans, Republicans in robes, made up a fake individual right. The 2nd Amendment, before modern Republicans, was understood as allowing individual gun bans. Just ask Republican Chief Justice Warren Burger. He’s on video saying this.

You and your party have blood on your hands. Attitudes like yours helped get that kid shot. Your vote helped get that kid shot.

And everyone in the world except US Republicans knows this and laughs at you while 1,000 people get shot in Virginia every year including suicides and you excuse it.

My party? Please tell me "my" party. You're devoid of reason and just ranting at this point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The rape analogy doesn't hold up here and I don't understand why people are using it. You can look up your own rape information but everyone knows it has nothing to do with dress.

All the gun talk is a waste of time too. Do you really think that strict gun control is going to return all the guns out there to the gun factory? Too late.

What needs to be addressed is handling violent individuals. Supermarket shooters, school shooters, street shooters etc. Obviously not easy or we would have done it. Handling the violent mentally ill needs to be addressed and the solutions are harsh.

As far as speaking up to people on the street, YMMV. Some of you want to do it and it's your choice. The reality is that this woman and her child got shot because she and her husband opened their mouths to the wrong person. Doesn't make the shooters actions right but it is what happened. For those unfamiliar, it should be a lesson.

Agree with you on better management of violent crime but I think gun control is important too. The supply of guns is too high. Also who knows how they would react in an emergency, so I’m not going to blame them. But people should watch their backs.

The supply? You mean manufacturing firearms? The demand is at an all time high, no reason why companies won't keep making them for now.

[Anonymous]

People are simply pointing out that the victims did not live in CC Hills or CC Section whatever. Rather, they live in a community that is quickly becoming, but has not yet become, civilized. Transitioning communities have people like the perp here that you simply would never encounter in NA or CC. The way to eradicate this type of creature is not through direct confrontation citizen to citizen and it's beyond naive to suggest that such an approach is effective. Instead, call the cops, call the cops and call the cops. Also critically, vote for representatives that favor heavy policing and accountability. As the city becomes more gentrified, the electable politicians will become less soft on crime, defund the police types and more law and order types.

But this is NOT what has happened in the last ten years in DC. Instead, we get ultra-liberal white politicians. "Call the cops?" Seriously? Those politicians---like Brianne Nadeau or Charles Allen---don't want the cops to respond. If they do, and the perpetrators are minorities, then the police, and the people who called them, are evil racists who don't understand that the reasons that someone likes this shooter acts out is because they haven't been given enough hugs, or free after-school programs. And God forbid we should enforce all the kinds of societal community standard laws which make a city a livable environment (such as banning people from camping in tents on public sidewalks) or laying drunk on a bench beside a splash park frequented by kids. The city HAS become more gentrified, but the politicians have become MORE soft on crime, defund the police type.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The rape analogy doesn't hold up here and I don't understand why people are using it. You can look up your own rape information but everyone knows it has nothing to do with dress.

All the gun talk is a waste of time too. Do you really think that strict gun control is going to return all the guns out there to the gun factory? Too late.

What needs to be addressed is handling violent individuals. Supermarket shooters, school shooters, street shooters etc. Obviously not easy or we would have done it. Handling the violent mentally ill needs to be addressed and the solutions are harsh.

As far as speaking up to people on the street, YMMV. Some of you want to do it and it's your choice. The reality is that this woman and her child got shot because she and her husband opened their mouths to the wrong person. Doesn't make the shooters actions right but it is what happened. For those unfamiliar, it should be a lesson.

Women’s behavior absolutely can and does affect their likelihood of being raped. That’s a fact. But we as a society have wisely realized that focusing on criticizing rape victims is not the approach we want to take when it comes to the problem of rape.

Yes getting drunk and being alone with a man increases the likelihood of assault. I don’t think it’s victim blaming to advise women of the risk and to make sure a friend is with them if they are drinking to such extremes. Rape and sexual assault are wrong, but there are measures we can take to protect ourselves.

There is a block in my neighborhood that has mad multiple shootings. I have every right to walk down that block and not get shot, but I avoid it. Instead we work with our civic association and the police to address gun violence. I don’t think I’m being a coward and I certainly don’t hide in my house, but we all make decisions to reduce risk. For some people, that means not engaging with people on the street they’ll likely never see again. Other people find the possibility of violence in those scenarios to be an acceptable level of risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The rape analogy doesn't hold up here and I don't understand why people are using it. You can look up your own rape information but everyone knows it has nothing to do with dress.

All the gun talk is a waste of time too. Do you really think that strict gun control is going to return all the guns out there to the gun factory? Too late.

What needs to be addressed is handling violent individuals. Supermarket shooters, school shooters, street shooters etc. Obviously not easy or we would have done it. Handling the violent mentally ill needs to be addressed and the solutions are harsh.

As far as speaking up to people on the street, YMMV. Some of you want to do it and it's your choice. The reality is that this woman and her child got shot because she and her husband opened their mouths to the wrong person. Doesn't make the shooters actions right but it is what happened. For those unfamiliar, it should be a lesson.

Women’s behavior absolutely can and does affect their likelihood of being raped. That’s a fact. But we as a society have wisely realized that focusing on criticizing rape victims is not the approach we want to take when it comes to the problem of rape.

Yes getting drunk and being alone with a man increases the likelihood of assault. I don’t think it’s victim blaming to advise women of the risk and to make sure a friend is with them if they are drinking to such extremes. Rape and sexual assault are wrong, but there are measures we can take to protect ourselves.

There is a block in my neighborhood that has mad multiple shootings. I have every right to walk down that block and not get shot, but I avoid it. Instead we work with our civic association and the police to address gun violence. I don’t think I’m being a coward and I certainly don’t hide in my house, but we all make decisions to reduce risk. For some people, that means not engaging with people on the street they’ll likely never see again. Other people find the possibility of violence in those scenarios to be an acceptable level of risk.

I don’t either. We agree on that. I will take that approach with my daughter when she gets older. But that’s a forward-looking approach. That’s why it’s helpful. It’s the kind of thing that can help women to stay safe as they navigate their lives and the world.

That’s not victim blaming. Victim blaming is backwards looking. It’s about questioning or criticizing victim’s past behavior and suggesting that they were at fault for what happened to them. It’s bad for victims of rape (and other kinds of victims), and it’s bad for society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

People are simply pointing out that the victims did not live in CC Hills or CC Section whatever. Rather, they live in a community that is quickly becoming, but has not yet become, civilized. Transitioning communities have people like the perp here that you simply would never encounter in NA or CC. The way to eradicate this type of creature is not through direct confrontation citizen to citizen and it's beyond naive to suggest that such an approach is effective. Instead, call the cops, call the cops and call the cops. Also critically, vote for representatives that favor heavy policing and accountability. As the city becomes more gentrified, the electable politicians will become less soft on crime, defund the police types and more law and order types.

But this is NOT what has happened in the last ten years in DC. Instead, we get ultra-liberal white politicians. "Call the cops?" Seriously? Those politicians---like Brianne Nadeau or Charles Allen---don't want the cops to respond. If they do, and the perpetrators are minorities, then the police, and the people who called them, are evil racists who don't understand that the reasons that someone likes this shooter acts out is because they haven't been given enough hugs, or free after-school programs. And God forbid we should enforce all the kinds of societal community standard laws which make a city a livable environment (such as banning people from camping in tents on public sidewalks) or laying drunk on a bench beside a splash park frequented by kids. The city HAS become more gentrified, but the politicians have become MORE soft on crime, defund the police type.

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