Karen Pence is Teaching at School that Bars LGBT Students and Teachers

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know it’s crazy right?

A CHRISTIAN woman teaches at a CHRISTIAN school teaches CHRISTIAN values and now everyone has lost their beans.

You don’t have to agree with what the school teaches, but this shouldn’t be this surprising to people.

Who is surprised? People are pointing out that it doesn't mesh with their own Christian values and that it's not a very smart move for the wife of a politician with continued ambitions on the national level to be affiliated with an institution that practices/preaches such discrimination and rejects science.

If it doesn’t mesh with their own Christian values, then they are not true Christians. You can’t try to adapt a religion’s fundamental teachings to your own preferences.

And it doesn’t really matter if Karen Pence decides to teach there, because it’s no secret that Mike Pence is a Christian. Her teaching there isn’t going to change what people already know about the Pences. They’ve already been publicly outspoken about their beliefs.

Hate to break it to you but there is no single "Christian" belief system. If that were the case there wouldn't be so many different denominations and the Protestant reformation would never have happened.

You're right, any thought Pence would give to running for President is dead on water because between the two of them they alienate too large of a group of Americans. Most Americans, especially younger generations, don't like the anti-gay religious stuff. So better that they're just open and out there about their belief that gays should be discriminated against and banned from certain jobs and schools etc.

You know why, because everyone has someone gay in their family or among their friends and while some people won't accept that person, more and more people realize how ridiculous it is to reject someone for being gay. Even the Pences must have someone in their extended family who is gay, and the people in that extended family who love that gay person and accept them as they are are not going to vote for Pence.

You are right that there are different versions of Christianity, with different denominations having different beliefs. But the Bible is very clear on homosexuality, it isn’t one of those things that can go either way. Christians should re-enforce what the Bible says. Pence re-enforces the biblical view of homosexuality. I’m not saying you should agree with Pence, but he does support what the Bible says, so to me he is a true Christian.

Wrong. Try again.

Could you elaborate on why you think I’m wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Which Christian religion gets it right?

Do you mean denomination or like Catholic vs Protestant?

All of the above.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know it’s crazy right?

A CHRISTIAN woman teaches at a CHRISTIAN school teaches CHRISTIAN values and now everyone has lost their beans.

You don’t have to agree with what the school teaches, but this shouldn’t be this surprising to people.

Who is surprised? People are pointing out that it doesn't mesh with their own Christian values and that it's not a very smart move for the wife of a politician with continued ambitions on the national level to be affiliated with an institution that practices/preaches such discrimination and rejects science.

If it doesn’t mesh with their own Christian values, then they are not true Christians. You can’t try to adapt a religion’s fundamental teachings to your own preferences.

And it doesn’t really matter if Karen Pence decides to teach there, because it’s no secret that Mike Pence is a Christian. Her teaching there isn’t going to change what people already know about the Pences. They’ve already been publicly outspoken about their beliefs.

Hate to break it to you but there is no single "Christian" belief system. If that were the case there wouldn't be so many different denominations and the Protestant reformation would never have happened.

You're right, any thought Pence would give to running for President is dead on water because between the two of them they alienate too large of a group of Americans. Most Americans, especially younger generations, don't like the anti-gay religious stuff. So better that they're just open and out there about their belief that gays should be discriminated against and banned from certain jobs and schools etc.

You know why, because everyone has someone gay in their family or among their friends and while some people won't accept that person, more and more people realize how ridiculous it is to reject someone for being gay. Even the Pences must have someone in their extended family who is gay, and the people in that extended family who love that gay person and accept them as they are are not going to vote for Pence.

You are right that there are different versions of Christianity, with different denominations having different beliefs. But the Bible is very clear on homosexuality, it isn’t one of those things that can go either way. Christians should re-enforce what the Bible says. Pence re-enforces the biblical view of homosexuality. I’m not saying you should agree with Pence, but he does support what the Bible says, so to me he is a true Christian.

And yet Christ himself never says a word about homosexuality.

I bet Pence eats shrimp and pork. That's against the bible, too.

We aren’t bound by the Old Testament laws. We are bound by the New Testament laws.

No eating pork and shrimp:
-Commanded in the Old Testament
-Never commanded in the New Testament

No homosexuality:
-Commanded in the Old Testament
-Commanded in the New Testament as well (Romans 10:4, Galatians 3:23-25, Ephesians 2:15)

Your argument is convincing at first, until you study how biblical law works.

But is that how ALL Christian religions interpret those?

[Anonymous]

Face it, the Evangelicals are just as radical as the radical conservative Muslims or any other religion. They want to impose their beliefs and value system on the majority of Americans who do not share these views. It is radically un-American for this to be taking place. We are suppose to have a separation of church and state, including the value system that goes with it.

Yes, we have laws, and those laws are embedded in truths not having anything to do with religion and yet, we are being subjucated to wackos who want to impose their weird proclivities on the rest of us. If they want to live their lives that way, that is fine, they are welcome to do it. The Amish are able to live their lives the way they want to and they aren't imposing themselves on the rest of the country. Why can't the Evangelicals do the same?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Face it, the Evangelicals are just as radical as the radical conservative Muslims or any other religion. They want to impose their beliefs and value system on the majority of Americans who do not share these views. It is radically un-American for this to be taking place. We are suppose to have a separation of church and state, including the value system that goes with it.

Yes, we have laws, and those laws are embedded in truths not having anything to do with religion and yet, we are being subjucated to wackos who want to impose their weird proclivities on the rest of us. If they want to live their lives that way, that is fine, they are welcome to do it. The Amish are able to live their lives the way they want to and they aren't imposing themselves on the rest of the country. Why can't the Evangelicals do the same?

Because they are hateful MFers.

Except Jimmy Carter. But I believe he left his church due to the injustices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know it’s crazy right?

A CHRISTIAN woman teaches at a CHRISTIAN school teaches CHRISTIAN values and now everyone has lost their beans.

You don’t have to agree with what the school teaches, but this shouldn’t be this surprising to people.

Who is surprised? People are pointing out that it doesn't mesh with their own Christian values and that it's not a very smart move for the wife of a politician with continued ambitions on the national level to be affiliated with an institution that practices/preaches such discrimination and rejects science.

If it doesn’t mesh with their own Christian values, then they are not true Christians. You can’t try to adapt a religion’s fundamental teachings to your own preferences.

And it doesn’t really matter if Karen Pence decides to teach there, because it’s no secret that Mike Pence is a Christian. Her teaching there isn’t going to change what people already know about the Pences. They’ve already been publicly outspoken about their beliefs.

Hate to break it to you but there is no single "Christian" belief system. If that were the case there wouldn't be so many different denominations and the Protestant reformation would never have happened.

You're right, any thought Pence would give to running for President is dead on water because between the two of them they alienate too large of a group of Americans. Most Americans, especially younger generations, don't like the anti-gay religious stuff. So better that they're just open and out there about their belief that gays should be discriminated against and banned from certain jobs and schools etc.

You know why, because everyone has someone gay in their family or among their friends and while some people won't accept that person, more and more people realize how ridiculous it is to reject someone for being gay. Even the Pences must have someone in their extended family who is gay, and the people in that extended family who love that gay person and accept them as they are are not going to vote for Pence.

You are right that there are different versions of Christianity, with different denominations having different beliefs. But the Bible is very clear on homosexuality, it isn’t one of those things that can go either way. Christians should re-enforce what the Bible says. Pence re-enforces the biblical view of homosexuality. I’m not saying you should agree with Pence, but he does support what the Bible says, so to me he is a true Christian.

Only people who take the Bible literally believe that. Some of us Christians are not literalists. Are you knocking my belief by casting aspersions on me and my fellow Christians who are not Bible literalists? BTW, that is a VERY Protestant interpretation. Catholics don't read everything in the Bible literally.

PP above my post, how come you didn’t answer this question?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And their beliefs are not Christianity as I understand it

Christ would certainly not approve of their open bigotry

And which Christ would that be? Many claim Christ as their own, but each religious group has created its own tenets to follow, which means Christ fits w/in those frameworks.

The First Council of Nicaea determined which materials would be included in the Bible. which ones were "divinely inspired"

But we fail to remember that humans wrote the Bible. Humans INTERPRET the Bible. So the idea of humans determining what's divine is laughable.

Furthermore, you forget that Christ was a product of his time. So his beliefs were shaped by the greater context.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know it’s crazy right?

A CHRISTIAN woman teaches at a CHRISTIAN school teaches CHRISTIAN values and now everyone has lost their beans.

You don’t have to agree with what the school teaches, but this shouldn’t be this surprising to people.

Who is surprised? People are pointing out that it doesn't mesh with their own Christian values and that it's not a very smart move for the wife of a politician with continued ambitions on the national level to be affiliated with an institution that practices/preaches such discrimination and rejects science.

If it doesn’t mesh with their own Christian values, then they are not true Christians. You can’t try to adapt a religion’s fundamental teachings to your own preferences.

And it doesn’t really matter if Karen Pence decides to teach there, because it’s no secret that Mike Pence is a Christian. Her teaching there isn’t going to change what people already know about the Pences. They’ve already been publicly outspoken about their beliefs.

Hate to break it to you but there is no single "Christian" belief system. If that were the case there wouldn't be so many different denominations and the Protestant reformation would never have happened.

You're right, any thought Pence would give to running for President is dead on water because between the two of them they alienate too large of a group of Americans. Most Americans, especially younger generations, don't like the anti-gay religious stuff. So better that they're just open and out there about their belief that gays should be discriminated against and banned from certain jobs and schools etc.

You know why, because everyone has someone gay in their family or among their friends and while some people won't accept that person, more and more people realize how ridiculous it is to reject someone for being gay. Even the Pences must have someone in their extended family who is gay, and the people in that extended family who love that gay person and accept them as they are are not going to vote for Pence.

You are right that there are different versions of Christianity, with different denominations having different beliefs. But the Bible is very clear on homosexuality, it isn’t one of those things that can go either way. Christians should re-enforce what the Bible says. Pence re-enforces the biblical view of homosexuality. I’m not saying you should agree with Pence, but he does support what the Bible says, so to me he is a true Christian.

Wrong. Try again.

Could you elaborate on why you think I’m wrong.

DP here and I think you’re wrong because I’m not a biblical literalist. That is my tradition, my faith to interpret the Bible and not to take every word literally. And also if Jesus didn’t say it, it means little to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And their beliefs are not Christianity as I understand it

Christ would certainly not approve of their open bigotry

And which Christ would that be? Many claim Christ as their own, but each religious group has created its own tenets to follow, which means Christ fits w/in those frameworks.

The First Council of Nicaea determined which materials would be included in the Bible. which ones were "divinely inspired"

But we fail to remember that humans wrote the Bible. Humans INTERPRET the Bible. So the idea of humans determining what's divine is laughable.

Furthermore, you forget that Christ was a product of his time. So his beliefs were shaped by the greater context.

Certainly not the blond hair, blue-eyed Christ that many Evangelicals seem to think would have been remotely possible in the Bethlehem of 2000 years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know it’s crazy right?

A CHRISTIAN woman teaches at a CHRISTIAN school teaches CHRISTIAN values and now everyone has lost their beans.

You don’t have to agree with what the school teaches, but this shouldn’t be this surprising to people.

Who is surprised? People are pointing out that it doesn't mesh with their own Christian values and that it's not a very smart move for the wife of a politician with continued ambitions on the national level to be affiliated with an institution that practices/preaches such discrimination and rejects science.

If it doesn’t mesh with their own Christian values, then they are not true Christians. You can’t try to adapt a religion’s fundamental teachings to your own preferences.

And it doesn’t really matter if Karen Pence decides to teach there, because it’s no secret that Mike Pence is a Christian. Her teaching there isn’t going to change what people already know about the Pences. They’ve already been publicly outspoken about their beliefs.

Hate to break it to you but there is no single "Christian" belief system. If that were the case there wouldn't be so many different denominations and the Protestant reformation would never have happened.

You're right, any thought Pence would give to running for President is dead on water because between the two of them they alienate too large of a group of Americans. Most Americans, especially younger generations, don't like the anti-gay religious stuff. So better that they're just open and out there about their belief that gays should be discriminated against and banned from certain jobs and schools etc.

You know why, because everyone has someone gay in their family or among their friends and while some people won't accept that person, more and more people realize how ridiculous it is to reject someone for being gay. Even the Pences must have someone in their extended family who is gay, and the people in that extended family who love that gay person and accept them as they are are not going to vote for Pence.

You are right that there are different versions of Christianity, with different denominations having different beliefs. But the Bible is very clear on homosexuality, it isn’t one of those things that can go either way. Christians should re-enforce what the Bible says. Pence re-enforces the biblical view of homosexuality. I’m not saying you should agree with Pence, but he does support what the Bible says, so to me he is a true Christian.

Wrong. Try again.

Could you elaborate on why you think I’m wrong.

DP here and I think you’re wrong because I’m not a biblical literalist. That is my tradition, my faith to interpret the Bible and not to take every word literally. And also if Jesus didn’t say it, it means little to me.

How do you know if Jesus said it or not? There's something like a 40-year gap between Jesus' death and the the first gospel written. Prior to that, we're looking at oral tradition - our Odyssey of Homor or Iliad. It's like a game of telephone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And their beliefs are not Christianity as I understand it

Christ would certainly not approve of their open bigotry

And which Christ would that be? Many claim Christ as their own, but each religious group has created its own tenets to follow, which means Christ fits w/in those frameworks.

The First Council of Nicaea determined which materials would be included in the Bible. which ones were "divinely inspired"

But we fail to remember that humans wrote the Bible. Humans INTERPRET the Bible. So the idea of humans determining what's divine is laughable.

Furthermore, you forget that Christ was a product of his time. So his beliefs were shaped by the greater context.

Certainly not the blond hair, blue-eyed Christ that many Evangelicals seem to think would have been remotely possible in the Bethlehem of 2000 years ago.

someone's interpretation

Who cares? Maybe Jesus was a blonde dude with blue eyes. There are plenty of people who don't fit the "looks stereotypes." My cousin and I burn and both have light green eyes - 100% Southern Italian.

Who cares what people believe?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And their beliefs are not Christianity as I understand it

Christ would certainly not approve of their open bigotry

And which Christ would that be? Many claim Christ as their own, but each religious group has created its own tenets to follow, which means Christ fits w/in those frameworks.

The First Council of Nicaea determined which materials would be included in the Bible. which ones were "divinely inspired"

But we fail to remember that humans wrote the Bible. Humans INTERPRET the Bible. So the idea of humans determining what's divine is laughable.

Furthermore, you forget that Christ was a product of his time. So his beliefs were shaped by the greater context.

Certainly not the blond hair, blue-eyed Christ that many Evangelicals seem to think would have been remotely possible in the Bethlehem of 2000 years ago.

someone's interpretation

Who cares? Maybe Jesus was a blonde dude with blue eyes. There are plenty of people who don't fit the "looks stereotypes." My cousin and I burn and both have light green eyes - 100% Southern Italian.

Who cares what people believe?

Because they are trying to impose their beliefs on to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which Christian religion gets it right?

Do you mean denomination or like Catholic vs Protestant?

All of the above.

The first one that comes to mind is Episcopalians. But I am sure there are others.

[Anonymous]

Pretty sure Christ, in the bible, hung out with lepers and loose women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure Christ, in the bible, hung out with lepers and loose women.

+1 Schools like this one in NoVa seem to have forgotten about Christ's humanity.