Barcroft elementary/ south Arlington crisis

[Anonymous]

where is Carlin Hall?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, the meeting is now on the 28th at Carlin Hall at 7:30 p.m.

what? is there a link?

Don't "they" get that if they want to get parents of young kids involved, changing shit at the last minute is a huge problem?

[Anonymous]

meeting is not mentioned on ARLNOW, does anyone know why not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, the meeting is now on the 28th at Carlin Hall at 7:30 p.m.

Would you mind sharing where this info is posted? I couldn't find anything on the Douglas park listserv

[Anonymous]

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Get a grip! We aren't talking about saddling n arl schools with 40% + FARMs rates. Take a look at very desirable schools in Fairfax. I'm talking 8+ great schools ratings. They have approx 10-15 % Farms rates. That's not going to impact a school. The precious snowflakes of north Arlington can easily absorb a small percentage.
And guess what- it's often north arlington limousine liberals ( boomers and older gen xer's ) that have created these policies. Not the middle class south Arlington Millenials who are trying to dig us out of this.

New poster here: What N Arl school has the capacity to absorb more students other than Jamestown? Several N Arl schools are already VERY overcrowded and that's not really going to get better with the opening of Discovery.

Then the next logical step becomes - don't have more students than capacity to hold them. This gets closer to what "crazy pants" is talking about. What that specific poster doesn't seem to get, is that most of us don't believe in overwhelming the system. I think we should take on as many as we can, until we can't. The tipping point should be before the schools start sliding down hill for all students... And it appears to have been reached at Barcroft.
Busing was brought up earlier and I don't agree with it. People spent a million bucks to live in 22207- good for them. They should be able to walk their kids to school.
However, the people who spent half a million+ on their homes deserve some consideration too. There isn't much we can do about the recently added housing, but we need to speak up about the additional Housing that is planned, and the lack of foresight into overcrowded schools with high poverty.
This won't go over well with the further left, but it needs to start being said.
What exactly is the plan for all of these people on the Pike?
Transportation that is projected to be inadequate to move the number of people needing it within a decade.
Schools that can't handle the capacity of harder to serve students
Don't forget -These Neighborhoods are full of older people who need assistance to age in place.

We can't do it all. The Pike is going to continue to gentrify, there is no stopping progress. The older apartments will come down one by one. That's why the board is so hot to get up all of this committed affordable housing. The way they are going about it isn't smart.

So what would you do with the kids that represent the over-capacity? Ship them off somewhere? That's ridiculous. And let's say you do ship them off, what happens when the schools that take them on are overcrowded? Ship the "extra" kids across state lines? What if that was your child they were talking about? What needs to happen is people need to become a little more flexible in what they are expecting from schools. It's entirely possible to meet all of the kids where they are. More affluent families are expecting extras. That needs to stop. If you can pay for the extras, then by all means supplement in your private time. There needs to be a basic core that everyone benefits from that is what is happening in these so-called over-capacity schools. No one is turned away and the kids are all doing fine. Just up-thread the notion that kids in South Arlington were doing worse than their north peers was debunked. It's also been debunked that all of these middle class kids are suffering from being schooled with brown kids. The kids do fine with parental involvement. You just have a lot of parents who want to opt out of parenting and expect the schools to take over. The schools most definitely can't accommodate that, so you have these gentrifiers crying about their schools getting over-run, etc... We need to all take a deep breath and really guage what's going on. But, by all means, don't think that it's acceptable to push around disadvantaged kids.

Since when are all of the huddled masses, yearning to breathe free Arlington's problem? Seriously, I'm not even saying ship off the ones that are here. Merely saying don't create a bigger problem than you can handle.
Perhaps you should reread up thread. Yes, it was somewhat debunked that the lower SES test scores vary north and south. However, the upper SES scores differ. By more than I and many other parents are comfortable seeing. So in this scenario the only ones being left behind are the middle class kids. Which is what this entire thing is about.
But that's the parents fault for wanting " extras"? Yeah, they want the extra 10 points of achievement that they are seeing from kids in less stressed schools.
They should do a better job parenting? Of course, why didn't I think of that. Better yet, they should move to fairfax. They'll do a great job parenting from their cars with that extra hour of commute. I mean the poor of Arlington are too good sit on the train, but F you middle class tax payer! Thousands of hard working people make a life for themselves in Masassas, but not the poor of Arlington. Our poor are too good for that.
When you'rw on a plane, do you put the airmask on your toddler first? No, you make sure you can breathe before you assist your companion. You can't help anyone if you've passed out.
Pushing out the very people who are making affordable housing available at all isn't the answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Get a grip! We aren't talking about saddling n arl schools with 40% + FARMs rates. Take a look at very desirable schools in Fairfax. I'm talking 8+ great schools ratings. They have approx 10-15 % Farms rates. That's not going to impact a school. The precious snowflakes of north Arlington can easily absorb a small percentage.
And guess what- it's often north arlington limousine liberals ( boomers and older gen xer's ) that have created these policies. Not the middle class south Arlington Millenials who are trying to dig us out of this.

New poster here: What N Arl school has the capacity to absorb more students other than Jamestown? Several N Arl schools are already VERY overcrowded and that's not really going to get better with the opening of Discovery.

Then the next logical step becomes - don't have more students than capacity to hold them. This gets closer to what "crazy pants" is talking about. What that specific poster doesn't seem to get, is that most of us don't believe in overwhelming the system. I think we should take on as many as we can, until we can't. The tipping point should be before the schools start sliding down hill for all students... And it appears to have been reached at Barcroft.
Busing was brought up earlier and I don't agree with it. People spent a million bucks to live in 22207- good for them. They should be able to walk their kids to school.
However, the people who spent half a million+ on their homes deserve some consideration too. There isn't much we can do about the recently added housing, but we need to speak up about the additional Housing that is planned, and the lack of foresight into overcrowded schools with high poverty.
This won't go over well with the further left, but it needs to start being said.
What exactly is the plan for all of these people on the Pike?
Transportation that is projected to be inadequate to move the number of people needing it within a decade.
Schools that can't handle the capacity of harder to serve students
Don't forget -These Neighborhoods are full of older people who need assistance to age in place.

We can't do it all. The Pike is going to continue to gentrify, there is no stopping progress. The older apartments will come down one by one. That's why the board is so hot to get up all of this committed affordable housing. The way they are going about it isn't smart.

So what would you do with the kids that represent the over-capacity? Ship them off somewhere? That's ridiculous. And let's say you do ship them off, what happens when the schools that take them on are overcrowded? Ship the "extra" kids across state lines? What if that was your child they were talking about? What needs to happen is people need to become a little more flexible in what they are expecting from schools. It's entirely possible to meet all of the kids where they are. More affluent families are expecting extras. That needs to stop. If you can pay for the extras, then by all means supplement in your private time. There needs to be a basic core that everyone benefits from that is what is happening in these so-called over-capacity schools. No one is turned away and the kids are all doing fine. Just up-thread the notion that kids in South Arlington were doing worse than their north peers was debunked. It's also been debunked that all of these middle class kids are suffering from being schooled with brown kids. The kids do fine with parental involvement. You just have a lot of parents who want to opt out of parenting and expect the schools to take over. The schools most definitely can't accommodate that, so you have these gentrifiers crying about their schools getting over-run, etc... We need to all take a deep breath and really guage what's going on. But, by all means, don't think that it's acceptable to push around disadvantaged kids.

Since when are all of the huddled masses, yearning to breathe free Arlington's problem? Seriously, I'm not even saying ship off the ones that are here. Merely saying don't create a bigger problem than you can handle.
Perhaps you should reread up thread. Yes, it was somewhat debunked that the lower SES test scores vary north and south. However, the upper SES scores differ. By more than I and many other parents are comfortable seeing. So in this scenario the only ones being left behind are the middle class kids. Which is what this entire thing is about.
But that's the parents fault for wanting " extras"? Yeah, they want the extra 10 points of achievement that they are seeing from kids in less stressed schools.
They should do a better job parenting? Of course, why didn't I think of that. Better yet, they should move to fairfax. They'll do a great job parenting from their cars with that extra hour of commute. I mean the poor of Arlington are too good sit on the train, but F you middle class tax payer! Thousands of hard working people make a life for themselves in Masassas, but not the poor of Arlington. Our poor are too good for that.
When you'rw on a plane, do you put the airmask on your toddler first? No, you make sure you can breathe before you assist your companion. You can't help anyone if you've passed out.
Pushing out the very people who are making affordable housing available at all isn't the answer.

word salad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Get a grip! We aren't talking about saddling n arl schools with 40% + FARMs rates. Take a look at very desirable schools in Fairfax. I'm talking 8+ great schools ratings. They have approx 10-15 % Farms rates. That's not going to impact a school. The precious snowflakes of north Arlington can easily absorb a small percentage.
And guess what- it's often north arlington limousine liberals ( boomers and older gen xer's ) that have created these policies. Not the middle class south Arlington Millenials who are trying to dig us out of this.

New poster here: What N Arl school has the capacity to absorb more students other than Jamestown? Several N Arl schools are already VERY overcrowded and that's not really going to get better with the opening of Discovery.

Then the next logical step becomes - don't have more students than capacity to hold them. This gets closer to what "crazy pants" is talking about. What that specific poster doesn't seem to get, is that most of us don't believe in overwhelming the system. I think we should take on as many as we can, until we can't. The tipping point should be before the schools start sliding down hill for all students... And it appears to have been reached at Barcroft.
Busing was brought up earlier and I don't agree with it. People spent a million bucks to live in 22207- good for them. They should be able to walk their kids to school.
However, the people who spent half a million+ on their homes deserve some consideration too. There isn't much we can do about the recently added housing, but we need to speak up about the additional Housing that is planned, and the lack of foresight into overcrowded schools with high poverty.
This won't go over well with the further left, but it needs to start being said.
What exactly is the plan for all of these people on the Pike?
Transportation that is projected to be inadequate to move the number of people needing it within a decade.
Schools that can't handle the capacity of harder to serve students
Don't forget -These Neighborhoods are full of older people who need assistance to age in place.

We can't do it all. The Pike is going to continue to gentrify, there is no stopping progress. The older apartments will come down one by one. That's why the board is so hot to get up all of this committed affordable housing. The way they are going about it isn't smart.

So what would you do with the kids that represent the over-capacity? Ship them off somewhere? That's ridiculous. And let's say you do ship them off, what happens when the schools that take them on are overcrowded? Ship the "extra" kids across state lines? What if that was your child they were talking about? What needs to happen is people need to become a little more flexible in what they are expecting from schools. It's entirely possible to meet all of the kids where they are. More affluent families are expecting extras. That needs to stop. If you can pay for the extras, then by all means supplement in your private time. There needs to be a basic core that everyone benefits from that is what is happening in these so-called over-capacity schools. No one is turned away and the kids are all doing fine. Just up-thread the notion that kids in South Arlington were doing worse than their north peers was debunked. It's also been debunked that all of these middle class kids are suffering from being schooled with brown kids. The kids do fine with parental involvement. You just have a lot of parents who want to opt out of parenting and expect the schools to take over. The schools most definitely can't accommodate that, so you have these gentrifiers crying about their schools getting over-run, etc... We need to all take a deep breath and really guage what's going on. But, by all means, don't think that it's acceptable to push around disadvantaged kids.

Since when are all of the huddled masses, yearning to breathe free Arlington's problem? Seriously, I'm not even saying ship off the ones that are here. Merely saying don't create a bigger problem than you can handle.
Perhaps you should reread up thread. Yes, it was somewhat debunked that the lower SES test scores vary north and south. However, the upper SES scores differ. By more than I and many other parents are comfortable seeing. So in this scenario the only ones being left behind are the middle class kids. Which is what this entire thing is about.
But that's the parents fault for wanting " extras"? Yeah, they want the extra 10 points of achievement that they are seeing from kids in less stressed schools.
They should do a better job parenting? Of course, why didn't I think of that. Better yet, they should move to fairfax. They'll do a great job parenting from their cars with that extra hour of commute. I mean the poor of Arlington are too good sit on the train, but F you middle class tax payer! Thousands of hard working people make a life for themselves in Masassas, but not the poor of Arlington. Our poor are too good for that.
When you'rw on a plane, do you put the airmask on your toddler first? No, you make sure you can breathe before you assist your companion. You can't help anyone if you've passed out.
Pushing out the very people who are making affordable housing available at all isn't the answer.

word salad

Indeed. Dressed with vinegar, but oh so good for you!

[Anonymous]

So, it really seems like Arlington has a divide between the mega-rich and the poor. The middle class is being pushed out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, it really seems like Arlington has a divide between the mega-rich and the poor. The middle class is being pushed out.

I've heard it referred to as the " dumbell" effect. Build up the very wealthy on the one side - try to level it out by helping the poorest of the community - hollowing out the middle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, it really seems like Arlington has a divide between the mega-rich and the poor. The middle class is being pushed out.

Hogwash! The middle class is getting what they asked for. They supported super liberal policies that ultimately cause bottlenecks (ie. oversubscribed schools) and now they're complaining. Too bad!

[Anonymous]

Seriously though - where are people seeing that the meeting has been moved. Please share.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, it really seems like Arlington has a divide between the mega-rich and the poor. The middle class is being pushed out.

I've heard it referred to as the " dumbell" effect. Build up the very wealthy on the one side - try to level it out by helping the poorest of the community - hollowing out the middle.

What a load of bull. I love it how liberals are never responsible for their actions that eff everything up. Now there's a boogie man who's "hollowing out the middle". Um no. Naive and uneducated Arlingtonians created an environment where non-contributors (large immigrant communities in need of services, but not providing anything themselves) could find safe haven (ie. schools and housing). Said people did exactly what they were given license to- they found shelter in S. Arlington by the people who invited them- Arlington middle class democrats. Now, schools are oversubscribed and scores are falling for higher SES kids. Sounds like libs screwed up again. No, there's no "they" hallowing out the middle class unless you're talking about the middle class doing it to themselves. I'm just glad I predicted this nonsense would happen and moved up-county. There's not help for diehard liberals. You have to wait for their unsustainable policies to fail, for them to endure injury (ie. their own families are affected) and then change happens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, it really seems like Arlington has a divide between the mega-rich and the poor. The middle class is being pushed out.

The "mega-rich" don't live in Arlington, except for a few plutocrats who own units in Turnberry Towers and spend most of their time elsewhere. There is a divide, but it's between the reasonably affluent in North Arlington and the poor in South Arlington, with the middle class in both getting pushed out or leaving of their own accord.

[Anonymous]

I'm skeptical about hearing that this meeting has been moved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Get a grip! We aren't talking about saddling n arl schools with 40% + FARMs rates. Take a look at very desirable schools in Fairfax. I'm talking 8+ great schools ratings. They have approx 10-15 % Farms rates. That's not going to impact a school. The precious snowflakes of north Arlington can easily absorb a small percentage.
And guess what- it's often north arlington limousine liberals ( boomers and older gen xer's ) that have created these policies. Not the middle class south Arlington Millenials who are trying to dig us out of this.

New poster here: What N Arl school has the capacity to absorb more students other than Jamestown? Several N Arl schools are already VERY overcrowded and that's not really going to get better with the opening of Discovery.

Then the next logical step becomes - don't have more students than capacity to hold them. This gets closer to what "crazy pants" is talking about. What that specific poster doesn't seem to get, is that most of us don't believe in overwhelming the system. I think we should take on as many as we can, until we can't. The tipping point should be before the schools start sliding down hill for all students... And it appears to have been reached at Barcroft.
Busing was brought up earlier and I don't agree with it. People spent a million bucks to live in 22207- good for them. They should be able to walk their kids to school.
However, the people who spent half a million+ on their homes deserve some consideration too. There isn't much we can do about the recently added housing, but we need to speak up about the additional Housing that is planned, and the lack of foresight into overcrowded schools with high poverty.
This won't go over well with the further left, but it needs to start being said.
What exactly is the plan for all of these people on the Pike?
Transportation that is projected to be inadequate to move the number of people needing it within a decade.
Schools that can't handle the capacity of harder to serve students
Don't forget -These Neighborhoods are full of older people who need assistance to age in place.

We can't do it all. The Pike is going to continue to gentrify, there is no stopping progress. The older apartments will come down one by one. That's why the board is so hot to get up all of this committed affordable housing. The way they are going about it isn't smart.

So what would you do with the kids that represent the over-capacity? Ship them off somewhere? That's ridiculous. And let's say you do ship them off, what happens when the schools that take them on are overcrowded? Ship the "extra" kids across state lines? What if that was your child they were talking about? What needs to happen is people need to become a little more flexible in what they are expecting from schools. It's entirely possible to meet all of the kids where they are. More affluent families are expecting extras. That needs to stop. If you can pay for the extras, then by all means supplement in your private time. There needs to be a basic core that everyone benefits from that is what is happening in these so-called over-capacity schools. No one is turned away and the kids are all doing fine. Just up-thread the notion that kids in South Arlington were doing worse than their north peers was debunked. It's also been debunked that all of these middle class kids are suffering from being schooled with brown kids. The kids do fine with parental involvement. You just have a lot of parents who want to opt out of parenting and expect the schools to take over. The schools most definitely can't accommodate that, so you have these gentrifiers crying about their schools getting over-run, etc... We need to all take a deep breath and really guage what's going on. But, by all means, don't think that it's acceptable to push around disadvantaged kids.

This. Thank you. I wanted to say this, but couldn't find the right words.