Why don't white students go to Banneker?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the white PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that an all-black high school could be intellectually rigorous and successful at preparing students for top colleges.

I think the black PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that Banneker is neither as intellectually rigorous nor as successful at preparing students for top colleges as other available options, especially for whites, Asians, Latinos and high SES blacks.

So be it.

Oh come on. Banneker is clearly doing something very right, given its college placement and AP results. Maybe it is not the same as TJ but that is not the question. The question is why don't any white parents, at all, even consider this very good school as compared to other good DC options like Walls and Wilson?

I don't understand the comparison to TJ. According to the latest stats, white people are shunning TJ, and the Asian population is increasingly dominant. So based on this thread, most of the whites who responded said that the school was not rigorous enough; the school was no TJ; and, the school reported too low SAT scores. Hmm, if that is truly the reason, why are whites also declining in enrollment at TJ?

Go find the SAT scores for TJ, compare them to Wilson and to Banneker, and you will see the answer.

No, that's not the answer to the question. White people are using SAT scores for their reasons to not send their children to Banneker. What is the reason for white people not sending their children to TJ, a largely Asian populated magnet school with great SAT scores?

You are a bit slow today, aren't you?

SAT scores at TJ are super high, showing it is a very competitive, race-blind, school. Many white students do try to get in; few do, because there's better qualified (often Asian) students.

SAT scores at Wilson are relatively high for a non-selective and super diverse school. Disclosure: my kids (Latino) will probably end up there.

SAT scores at Banneker at surprisingly low for a selective school. Why would whites (or other with better alternatives) send their kids there, unless for some reason they are looking for an all-black immersion experience?

Yes, slow. To be clear. Banneker is not all black. They have a high Latino population. They also have Asian students. Again, if a great college is your end game, Banneker is it. If you are caught up into SAT scores - I don't know, you have so much attitude - why in God's name would you send them to Wilson. Wilson is nothing to write home about. I am inbounds to Wilson and my kid is afraid to go there. And I'm black.

No kid at Banneker will be accused of "acting white" or back in the day "being an oreo" (Don't know if anyone still says that, heard Banana re Latinos) - Wilson has no benefits for minority kids and so many potential pitfalls,
as a minority parent zoned for Wilson, my kids are never going there..................

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Anonymous wrote:I think the white PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that an all-black high school could be intellectually rigorous and successful at preparing students for top colleges.

I think the black PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that Banneker is neither as intellectually rigorous nor as successful at preparing students for top colleges as other available options, especially for whites, Asians, Latinos and high SES blacks.

So be it.

Oh come on. Banneker is clearly doing something very right, given its college placement and AP results. Maybe it is not the same as TJ but that is not the question. The question is why don't any white parents, at all, even consider this very good school as compared to other good DC options like Walls and Wilson?

I don't understand the comparison to TJ. According to the latest stats, white people are shunning TJ, and the Asian population is increasingly dominant. So based on this thread, most of the whites who responded said that the school was not rigorous enough; the school was no TJ; and, the school reported too low SAT scores. Hmm, if that is truly the reason, why are whites also declining in enrollment at TJ?

Go find the SAT scores for TJ, compare them to Wilson and to Banneker, and you will see the answer.

No, that's not the answer to the question. White people are using SAT scores for their reasons to not send their children to Banneker. What is the reason for white people not sending their children to TJ, a largely Asian populated magnet school with great SAT scores?

You are a bit slow today, aren't you?

SAT scores at TJ are super high, showing it is a very competitive, race-blind, school. Many white students do try to get in; few do, because there's better qualified (often Asian) students.

SAT scores at Wilson are relatively high for a non-selective and super diverse school. Disclosure: my kids (Latino) will probably end up there.

SAT scores at Banneker at surprisingly low for a selective school. Why would whites (or other with better alternatives) send their kids there, unless for some reason they are looking for an all-black immersion experience?

Yes, slow. To be clear. Banneker is not all black. They have a high Latino population. They also have Asian students. Again, if a great college is your end game, Banneker is it. If you are caught up into SAT scores - I don't know, you have so much attitude - why in God's name would you send them to Wilson. Wilson is nothing to write home about. I am inbounds to Wilson and my kid is afraid to go there. And I'm black.

I won't tell you what to do with your kid, so please don't tell me what to do your mine, especially when you obviously are quite ill-informed. There are many more Latino (and Asian) at Wilson than at Banneker, and going to great colleges, AND learning how to live in the big world out there, instead of self-segregating themselves in a small and very artificial environment.

It is great that DCPS offers different choices, as we live in a very diverse city. I am in this thread because the title question intrigued me, and I wanted to learn more about the school. What I have discovered is multiple reasons why it makes no sense for my kids to even consider Banneker. I wish the school well.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the white PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that an all-black high school could be intellectually rigorous and successful at preparing students for top colleges.

I think the black PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that Banneker is neither as intellectually rigorous nor as successful at preparing students for top colleges as other available options, especially for whites, Asians, Latinos and high SES blacks.

So be it.

Oh come on. Banneker is clearly doing something very right, given its college placement and AP results. Maybe it is not the same as TJ but that is not the question. The question is why don't any white parents, at all, even consider this very good school as compared to other good DC options like Walls and Wilson?

I don't understand the comparison to TJ. According to the latest stats, white people are shunning TJ, and the Asian population is increasingly dominant. So based on this thread, most of the whites who responded said that the school was not rigorous enough; the school was no TJ; and, the school reported too low SAT scores. Hmm, if that is truly the reason, why are whites also declining in enrollment at TJ?

Go find the SAT scores for TJ, compare them to Wilson and to Banneker, and you will see the answer.

No, that's not the answer to the question. White people are using SAT scores for their reasons to not send their children to Banneker. What is the reason for white people not sending their children to TJ, a largely Asian populated magnet school with great SAT scores?

You are a bit slow today, aren't you?

SAT scores at TJ are super high, showing it is a very competitive, race-blind, school. Many white students do try to get in; few do, because there's better qualified (often Asian) students.

SAT scores at Wilson are relatively high for a non-selective and super diverse school. Disclosure: my kids (Latino) will probably end up there.

SAT scores at Banneker at surprisingly low for a selective school. Why would whites (or other with better alternatives) send their kids there, unless for some reason they are looking for an all-black immersion experience?

Yes, slow. To be clear. Banneker is not all black. They have a high Latino population. They also have Asian students. Again, if a great college is your end game, Banneker is it. If you are caught up into SAT scores - I don't know, you have so much attitude - why in God's name would you send them to Wilson. Wilson is nothing to write home about. I am inbounds to Wilson and my kid is afraid to go there. And I'm black.

No kid at Banneker will be accused of "acting white" or back in the day "being an oreo" (Don't know if anyone still says that, heard Banana re Latinos) - Wilson has no benefits for minority kids and so many potential pitfalls,
as a minority parent zoned for Wilson, my kids are never going there..................

If I understand this correctly, then, Banneker is the place where blacks can "act white" without being accused by their peers of doing so. Well, this says much more about AA culture in general than about the school itself, and points to a quite serious, systemic problem no one seems to be talking about.

Is it really that bad for AA students who love to learn and excel at other schools like Wilson and Walls and others?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the white PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that an all-black high school could be intellectually rigorous and successful at preparing students for top colleges.

I think the black PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that Banneker is neither as intellectually rigorous nor as successful at preparing students for top colleges as other available options, especially for whites, Asians, Latinos and high SES blacks.

So be it.

Oh come on. Banneker is clearly doing something very right, given its college placement and AP results. Maybe it is not the same as TJ but that is not the question. The question is why don't any white parents, at all, even consider this very good school as compared to other good DC options like Walls and Wilson?

I don't understand the comparison to TJ. According to the latest stats, white people are shunning TJ, and the Asian population is increasingly dominant. So based on this thread, most of the whites who responded said that the school was not rigorous enough; the school was no TJ; and, the school reported too low SAT scores. Hmm, if that is truly the reason, why are whites also declining in enrollment at TJ?

Go find the SAT scores for TJ, compare them to Wilson and to Banneker, and you will see the answer.

No, that's not the answer to the question. White people are using SAT scores for their reasons to not send their children to Banneker. What is the reason for white people not sending their children to TJ, a largely Asian populated magnet school with great SAT scores?

You are a bit slow today, aren't you?

SAT scores at TJ are super high, showing it is a very competitive, race-blind, school. Many white students do try to get in; few do, because there's better qualified (often Asian) students.

SAT scores at Wilson are relatively high for a non-selective and super diverse school. Disclosure: my kids (Latino) will probably end up there.

SAT scores at Banneker at surprisingly low for a selective school. Why would whites (or other with better alternatives) send their kids there, unless for some reason they are looking for an all-black immersion experience?

Yes, slow. To be clear. Banneker is not all black. They have a high Latino population. They also have Asian students. Again, if a great college is your end game, Banneker is it. If you are caught up into SAT scores - I don't know, you have so much attitude - why in God's name would you send them to Wilson. Wilson is nothing to write home about. I am inbounds to Wilson and my kid is afraid to go there. And I'm black.

I won't tell you what to do with your kid, so please don't tell me what to do your mine, especially when you obviously are quite ill-informed. There are many more Latino (and Asian) at Wilson than at Banneker, and going to great colleges, AND learning how to live in the big world out there, instead of self-segregating themselves in a small and very artificial environment.

It is great that DCPS offers different choices, as we live in a very diverse city. I am in this thread because the title question intrigued me, and I wanted to learn more about the school. What I have discovered is multiple reasons why it makes no sense for my kids to even consider Banneker. I wish the school well.

How am I ill informed? Did I say that Wilson didn't have any latino or asian students? FWIW, I attended an HBCU and interact in the real world (corp law, investment banking) just fine. I didn't tell you what to do with your kid. You definitely have a chip on your shoulder.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the white PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that an all-black high school could be intellectually rigorous and successful at preparing students for top colleges.

I think the black PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that Banneker is neither as intellectually rigorous nor as successful at preparing students for top colleges as other available options, especially for whites, Asians, Latinos and high SES blacks.

So be it.

Oh come on. Banneker is clearly doing something very right, given its college placement and AP results. Maybe it is not the same as TJ but that is not the question. The question is why don't any white parents, at all, even consider this very good school as compared to other good DC options like Walls and Wilson?

I don't understand the comparison to TJ. According to the latest stats, white people are shunning TJ, and the Asian population is increasingly dominant. So based on this thread, most of the whites who responded said that the school was not rigorous enough; the school was no TJ; and, the school reported too low SAT scores. Hmm, if that is truly the reason, why are whites also declining in enrollment at TJ?

Go find the SAT scores for TJ, compare them to Wilson and to Banneker, and you will see the answer.

No, that's not the answer to the question. White people are using SAT scores for their reasons to not send their children to Banneker. What is the reason for white people not sending their children to TJ, a largely Asian populated magnet school with great SAT scores?

You are a bit slow today, aren't you?

SAT scores at TJ are super high, showing it is a very competitive, race-blind, school. Many white students do try to get in; few do, because there's better qualified (often Asian) students.

SAT scores at Wilson are relatively high for a non-selective and super diverse school. Disclosure: my kids (Latino) will probably end up there.

SAT scores at Banneker at surprisingly low for a selective school. Why would whites (or other with better alternatives) send their kids there, unless for some reason they are looking for an all-black immersion experience?

Yes, slow. To be clear. Banneker is not all black. They have a high Latino population. They also have Asian students. Again, if a great college is your end game, Banneker is it. If you are caught up into SAT scores - I don't know, you have so much attitude - why in God's name would you send them to Wilson. Wilson is nothing to write home about. I am inbounds to Wilson and my kid is afraid to go there. And I'm black.

I won't tell you what to do with your kid, so please don't tell me what to do your mine, especially when you obviously are quite ill-informed. There are many more Latino (and Asian) at Wilson than at Banneker, and going to great colleges, AND learning how to live in the big world out there, instead of self-segregating themselves in a small and very artificial environment.

It is great that DCPS offers different choices, as we live in a very diverse city. I am in this thread because the title question intrigued me, and I wanted to learn more about the school. What I have discovered is multiple reasons why it makes no sense for my kids to even consider Banneker. I wish the school well.

How am I ill informed? Did I say that Wilson didn't have any latino or asian students? FWIW, I attended an HBCU and interact in the real world (corp law, investment banking) just fine. I didn't tell you what to do with your kid. You definitely have a chip on your shoulder.

Piensa el ladrón que todos son de su condición.

Google it.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the white PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that an all-black high school could be intellectually rigorous and successful at preparing students for top colleges.

I think the black PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that Banneker is neither as intellectually rigorous nor as successful at preparing students for top colleges as other available options, especially for whites, Asians, Latinos and high SES blacks.

So be it.

Oh come on. Banneker is clearly doing something very right, given its college placement and AP results. Maybe it is not the same as TJ but that is not the question. The question is why don't any white parents, at all, even consider this very good school as compared to other good DC options like Walls and Wilson?

I don't understand the comparison to TJ. According to the latest stats, white people are shunning TJ, and the Asian population is increasingly dominant. So based on this thread, most of the whites who responded said that the school was not rigorous enough; the school was no TJ; and, the school reported too low SAT scores. Hmm, if that is truly the reason, why are whites also declining in enrollment at TJ?

Go find the SAT scores for TJ, compare them to Wilson and to Banneker, and you will see the answer.

No, that's not the answer to the question. White people are using SAT scores for their reasons to not send their children to Banneker. What is the reason for white people not sending their children to TJ, a largely Asian populated magnet school with great SAT scores?

You are a bit slow today, aren't you?

SAT scores at TJ are super high, showing it is a very competitive, race-blind, school. Many white students do try to get in; few do, because there's better qualified (often Asian) students.

SAT scores at Wilson are relatively high for a non-selective and super diverse school. Disclosure: my kids (Latino) will probably end up there.

SAT scores at Banneker at surprisingly low for a selective school. Why would whites (or other with better alternatives) send their kids there, unless for some reason they are looking for an all-black immersion experience?

Yes, slow. To be clear. Banneker is not all black. They have a high Latino population. They also have Asian students. Again, if a great college is your end game, Banneker is it. If you are caught up into SAT scores - I don't know, you have so much attitude - why in God's name would you send them to Wilson. Wilson is nothing to write home about. I am inbounds to Wilson and my kid is afraid to go there. And I'm black.

I won't tell you what to do with your kid, so please don't tell me what to do your mine, especially when you obviously are quite ill-informed. There are many more Latino (and Asian) at Wilson than at Banneker, and going to great colleges, AND learning how to live in the big world out there, instead of self-segregating themselves in a small and very artificial environment.

It is great that DCPS offers different choices, as we live in a very diverse city. I am in this thread because the title question intrigued me, and I wanted to learn more about the school. What I have discovered is multiple reasons why it makes no sense for my kids to even consider Banneker. I wish the school well.

How am I ill informed? Did I say that Wilson didn't have any latino or asian students? FWIW, I attended an HBCU and interact in the real world (corp law, investment banking) just fine. I didn't tell you what to do with your kid. You definitely have a chip on your shoulder.

Piensa el ladrón que todos son de su condición.

Google it.

I got mine. No chip here.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the white PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that an all-black high school could be intellectually rigorous and successful at preparing students for top colleges.

I think the black PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that Banneker is neither as intellectually rigorous nor as successful at preparing students for top colleges as other available options, especially for whites, Asians, Latinos and high SES blacks.

So be it.

Oh come on. Banneker is clearly doing something very right, given its college placement and AP results. Maybe it is not the same as TJ but that is not the question. The question is why don't any white parents, at all, even consider this very good school as compared to other good DC options like Walls and Wilson?

I don't understand the comparison to TJ. According to the latest stats, white people are shunning TJ, and the Asian population is increasingly dominant. So based on this thread, most of the whites who responded said that the school was not rigorous enough; the school was no TJ; and, the school reported too low SAT scores. Hmm, if that is truly the reason, why are whites also declining in enrollment at TJ?

Go find the SAT scores for TJ, compare them to Wilson and to Banneker, and you will see the answer.

No, that's not the answer to the question. White people are using SAT scores for their reasons to not send their children to Banneker. What is the reason for white people not sending their children to TJ, a largely Asian populated magnet school with great SAT scores?

You are a bit slow today, aren't you?

SAT scores at TJ are super high, showing it is a very competitive, race-blind, school. Many white students do try to get in; few do, because there's better qualified (often Asian) students.

SAT scores at Wilson are relatively high for a non-selective and super diverse school. Disclosure: my kids (Latino) will probably end up there.

SAT scores at Banneker at surprisingly low for a selective school. Why would whites (or other with better alternatives) send their kids there, unless for some reason they are looking for an all-black immersion experience?

Yes, slow. To be clear. Banneker is not all black. They have a high Latino population. They also have Asian students. Again, if a great college is your end game, Banneker is it. If you are caught up into SAT scores - I don't know, you have so much attitude - why in God's name would you send them to Wilson. Wilson is nothing to write home about. I am inbounds to Wilson and my kid is afraid to go there. And I'm black.

I won't tell you what to do with your kid, so please don't tell me what to do your mine, especially when you obviously are quite ill-informed. There are many more Latino (and Asian) at Wilson than at Banneker, and going to great colleges, AND learning how to live in the big world out there, instead of self-segregating themselves in a small and very artificial environment.

It is great that DCPS offers different choices, as we live in a very diverse city. I am in this thread because the title question intrigued me, and I wanted to learn more about the school. What I have discovered is multiple reasons why it makes no sense for my kids to even consider Banneker. I wish the school well.

I'm not the pp quoted, but regarding the bolded, What is artificial about the environment at Banneker? That's such an odd thing to say. I'm a current Banneker parent, btw.

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If I understand this correctly, then, Banneker is the place where blacks can "act white" without being accused by their peers of doing so. Well, this says much more about AA culture in general than about the school itself, and points to a quite serious, systemic problem no one seems to be talking about.

I am not sure that no one is talking about it - I think I have seen the problem referenced quite a few times. If Banneker and similar schools are a solution to the problem for some AA students, then more power to them.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the white PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that an all-black high school could be intellectually rigorous and successful at preparing students for top colleges.

I think the black PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that Banneker is neither as intellectually rigorous nor as successful at preparing students for top colleges as other available options, especially for whites, Asians, Latinos and high SES blacks.

So be it.

Oh come on. Banneker is clearly doing something very right, given its college placement and AP results. Maybe it is not the same as TJ but that is not the question. The question is why don't any white parents, at all, even consider this very good school as compared to other good DC options like Walls and Wilson?

I don't understand the comparison to TJ. According to the latest stats, white people are shunning TJ, and the Asian population is increasingly dominant. So based on this thread, most of the whites who responded said that the school was not rigorous enough; the school was no TJ; and, the school reported too low SAT scores. Hmm, if that is truly the reason, why are whites also declining in enrollment at TJ?

Go find the SAT scores for TJ, compare them to Wilson and to Banneker, and you will see the answer.

No, that's not the answer to the question. White people are using SAT scores for their reasons to not send their children to Banneker. What is the reason for white people not sending their children to TJ, a largely Asian populated magnet school with great SAT scores?

You are a bit slow today, aren't you?

SAT scores at TJ are super high, showing it is a very competitive, race-blind, school. Many white students do try to get in; few do, because there's better qualified (often Asian) students.

SAT scores at Wilson are relatively high for a non-selective and super diverse school. Disclosure: my kids (Latino) will probably end up there.

SAT scores at Banneker at surprisingly low for a selective school. Why would whites (or other with better alternatives) send their kids there, unless for some reason they are looking for an all-black immersion experience?

Yes, slow. To be clear. Banneker is not all black. They have a high Latino population. They also have Asian students. Again, if a great college is your end game, Banneker is it. If you are caught up into SAT scores - I don't know, you have so much attitude - why in God's name would you send them to Wilson. Wilson is nothing to write home about. I am inbounds to Wilson and my kid is afraid to go there. And I'm black.

I won't tell you what to do with your kid, so please don't tell me what to do your mine, especially when you obviously are quite ill-informed. There are many more Latino (and Asian) at Wilson than at Banneker, and going to great colleges, AND learning how to live in the big world out there, instead of self-segregating themselves in a small and very artificial environment.

It is great that DCPS offers different choices, as we live in a very diverse city. I am in this thread because the title question intrigued me, and I wanted to learn more about the school. What I have discovered is multiple reasons why it makes no sense for my kids to even consider Banneker. I wish the school well.

I'm not the pp quoted, but regarding the bolded, What is artificial about the environment at Banneker? That's such an odd thing to say. I'm a current Banneker parent, btw.

I'm not any of these PPs, and I don't necessarily agree with PP you quoted in bold.

However, I think what PP is saying here is that an all-black environment, and frankly, an all-black-led and all-black-all-high-achieving environment, is not representative of broader society. Following high school graduation, or at the latest, following graduation from a historically black college, Banneker grads will need to navigate a world in which whites are the majority and blacks occupy few positions of power or influence. Similarly, graduates from an all girl school will encounter a male-dominated work environment in most fields. I think this was the point, that a school like Wilson is a more realistic introduction to the world out there. Again, I don't necessarily agree that such an "artificially controlled" environment is such a bad thing during formative years, but this was PP's point.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the white PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that an all-black high school could be intellectually rigorous and successful at preparing students for top colleges.

I think the black PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that Banneker is neither as intellectually rigorous nor as successful at preparing students for top colleges as other available options, especially for whites, Asians, Latinos and high SES blacks.

So be it.

Oh come on. Banneker is clearly doing something very right, given its college placement and AP results. Maybe it is not the same as TJ but that is not the question. The question is why don't any white parents, at all, even consider this very good school as compared to other good DC options like Walls and Wilson?

I don't understand the comparison to TJ. According to the latest stats, white people are shunning TJ, and the Asian population is increasingly dominant. So based on this thread, most of the whites who responded said that the school was not rigorous enough; the school was no TJ; and, the school reported too low SAT scores. Hmm, if that is truly the reason, why are whites also declining in enrollment at TJ?

Go find the SAT scores for TJ, compare them to Wilson and to Banneker, and you will see the answer.

No, that's not the answer to the question. White people are using SAT scores for their reasons to not send their children to Banneker. What is the reason for white people not sending their children to TJ, a largely Asian populated magnet school with great SAT scores?

You are a bit slow today, aren't you?

SAT scores at TJ are super high, showing it is a very competitive, race-blind, school. Many white students do try to get in; few do, because there's better qualified (often Asian) students.

SAT scores at Wilson are relatively high for a non-selective and super diverse school. Disclosure: my kids (Latino) will probably end up there.

SAT scores at Banneker at surprisingly low for a selective school. Why would whites (or other with better alternatives) send their kids there, unless for some reason they are looking for an all-black immersion experience?

Yes, slow. To be clear. Banneker is not all black. They have a high Latino population. They also have Asian students. Again, if a great college is your end game, Banneker is it. If you are caught up into SAT scores - I don't know, you have so much attitude - why in God's name would you send them to Wilson. Wilson is nothing to write home about. I am inbounds to Wilson and my kid is afraid to go there. And I'm black.

I won't tell you what to do with your kid, so please don't tell me what to do your mine, especially when you obviously are quite ill-informed. There are many more Latino (and Asian) at Wilson than at Banneker, and going to great colleges, AND learning how to live in the big world out there, instead of self-segregating themselves in a small and very artificial environment.

It is great that DCPS offers different choices, as we live in a very diverse city. I am in this thread because the title question intrigued me, and I wanted to learn more about the school. What I have discovered is multiple reasons why it makes no sense for my kids to even consider Banneker. I wish the school well.

Wow, Banneker really can't win, can it? It's either unnacceptable to white families because they "reasonably" prefer to only send their kids to majority white schools; or it's all black because black families have chosen to "self-segregate" there. Either way, it has NOTHING to do with the white families, and everything to do with the black families. Amirite?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the white PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that an all-black high school could be intellectually rigorous and successful at preparing students for top colleges.

I think the black PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that Banneker is neither as intellectually rigorous nor as successful at preparing students for top colleges as other available options, especially for whites, Asians, Latinos and high SES blacks.

So be it.

Oh come on. Banneker is clearly doing something very right, given its college placement and AP results. Maybe it is not the same as TJ but that is not the question. The question is why don't any white parents, at all, even consider this very good school as compared to other good DC options like Walls and Wilson?

I don't understand the comparison to TJ. According to the latest stats, white people are shunning TJ, and the Asian population is increasingly dominant. So based on this thread, most of the whites who responded said that the school was not rigorous enough; the school was no TJ; and, the school reported too low SAT scores. Hmm, if that is truly the reason, why are whites also declining in enrollment at TJ?

Go find the SAT scores for TJ, compare them to Wilson and to Banneker, and you will see the answer.

No, that's not the answer to the question. White people are using SAT scores for their reasons to not send their children to Banneker. What is the reason for white people not sending their children to TJ, a largely Asian populated magnet school with great SAT scores?

You are a bit slow today, aren't you?

SAT scores at TJ are super high, showing it is a very competitive, race-blind, school. Many white students do try to get in; few do, because there's better qualified (often Asian) students.

SAT scores at Wilson are relatively high for a non-selective and super diverse school. Disclosure: my kids (Latino) will probably end up there.

SAT scores at Banneker at surprisingly low for a selective school. Why would whites (or other with better alternatives) send their kids there, unless for some reason they are looking for an all-black immersion experience?

Yes, slow. To be clear. Banneker is not all black. They have a high Latino population. They also have Asian students. Again, if a great college is your end game, Banneker is it. If you are caught up into SAT scores - I don't know, you have so much attitude - why in God's name would you send them to Wilson. Wilson is nothing to write home about. I am inbounds to Wilson and my kid is afraid to go there. And I'm black.

I won't tell you what to do with your kid, so please don't tell me what to do your mine, especially when you obviously are quite ill-informed. There are many more Latino (and Asian) at Wilson than at Banneker, and going to great colleges, AND learning how to live in the big world out there, instead of self-segregating themselves in a small and very artificial environment.

It is great that DCPS offers different choices, as we live in a very diverse city. I am in this thread because the title question intrigued me, and I wanted to learn more about the school. What I have discovered is multiple reasons why it makes no sense for my kids to even consider Banneker. I wish the school well.

I'm not the pp quoted, but regarding the bolded, What is artificial about the environment at Banneker? That's such an odd thing to say. I'm a current Banneker parent, btw.

I'm not any of these PPs, and I don't necessarily agree with PP you quoted in bold.

However, I think what PP is saying here is that an all-black environment, and frankly, an all-black-led and all-black-all-high-achieving environment, is not representative of broader society. Following high school graduation, or at the latest, following graduation from a historically black college, Banneker grads will need to navigate a world in which whites are the majority and blacks occupy few positions of power or influence. Similarly, graduates from an all girl school will encounter a male-dominated work environment in most fields. I think this was the point, that a school like Wilson is a more realistic introduction to the world out there. Again, I don't necessarily agree that such an "artificially controlled" environment is such a bad thing during formative years, but this was PP's point.

But why is this so different from what happens at other all-white high achieving environments? Why is it a bad thing it its all black, but not if its all white? (i.e(JKLM elementary schools in NW or TJ (asian) and Langley in VA or Churchill, Wooten in MD? I apologize if I am not articulating this very well, but I just don't understand why folks are arguing about Banneker and what it offers it AA population? White don't want to go there, that's clear, but why are whites putting the school down so much if it does a great good of educating its population?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the white PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that an all-black high school could be intellectually rigorous and successful at preparing students for top colleges.

I think the black PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that Banneker is neither as intellectually rigorous nor as successful at preparing students for top colleges as other available options, especially for whites, Asians, Latinos and high SES blacks.

So be it.

Oh come on. Banneker is clearly doing something very right, given its college placement and AP results. Maybe it is not the same as TJ but that is not the question. The question is why don't any white parents, at all, even consider this very good school as compared to other good DC options like Walls and Wilson?

I don't understand the comparison to TJ. According to the latest stats, white people are shunning TJ, and the Asian population is increasingly dominant. So based on this thread, most of the whites who responded said that the school was not rigorous enough; the school was no TJ; and, the school reported too low SAT scores. Hmm, if that is truly the reason, why are whites also declining in enrollment at TJ?

Go find the SAT scores for TJ, compare them to Wilson and to Banneker, and you will see the answer.

No, that's not the answer to the question. White people are using SAT scores for their reasons to not send their children to Banneker. What is the reason for white people not sending their children to TJ, a largely Asian populated magnet school with great SAT scores?

You are a bit slow today, aren't you?

SAT scores at TJ are super high, showing it is a very competitive, race-blind, school. Many white students do try to get in; few do, because there's better qualified (often Asian) students.

SAT scores at Wilson are relatively high for a non-selective and super diverse school. Disclosure: my kids (Latino) will probably end up there.

SAT scores at Banneker at surprisingly low for a selective school. Why would whites (or other with better alternatives) send their kids there, unless for some reason they are looking for an all-black immersion experience?

Yes, slow. To be clear. Banneker is not all black. They have a high Latino population. They also have Asian students. Again, if a great college is your end game, Banneker is it. If you are caught up into SAT scores - I don't know, you have so much attitude - why in God's name would you send them to Wilson. Wilson is nothing to write home about. I am inbounds to Wilson and my kid is afraid to go there. And I'm black.

I won't tell you what to do with your kid, so please don't tell me what to do your mine, especially when you obviously are quite ill-informed. There are many more Latino (and Asian) at Wilson than at Banneker, and going to great colleges, AND learning how to live in the big world out there, instead of self-segregating themselves in a small and very artificial environment.

It is great that DCPS offers different choices, as we live in a very diverse city. I am in this thread because the title question intrigued me, and I wanted to learn more about the school. What I have discovered is multiple reasons why it makes no sense for my kids to even consider Banneker. I wish the school well.

See, this is the stuff that concerns me. Banneker is not for everyone so I don't have a problem with you not sending your kid there. After all, my kid didn't want to go there either. But we made her do her research. She applied and attended the open house and went through the admissions process. If you're going to rule out Banneker based on this thread without doing any direct research into the school, well, I have a problem with that. I find it fascinating that some of the educated denizens of DCUM can't even put out the effort to do their own research and make up their own minds about a school like Banneker.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the white PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that an all-black high school could be intellectually rigorous and successful at preparing students for top colleges.

I think the black PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that Banneker is neither as intellectually rigorous nor as successful at preparing students for top colleges as other available options, especially for whites, Asians, Latinos and high SES blacks.

So be it.

Oh come on. Banneker is clearly doing something very right, given its college placement and AP results. Maybe it is not the same as TJ but that is not the question. The question is why don't any white parents, at all, even consider this very good school as compared to other good DC options like Walls and Wilson?

I don't understand the comparison to TJ. According to the latest stats, white people are shunning TJ, and the Asian population is increasingly dominant. So based on this thread, most of the whites who responded said that the school was not rigorous enough; the school was no TJ; and, the school reported too low SAT scores. Hmm, if that is truly the reason, why are whites also declining in enrollment at TJ?

Go find the SAT scores for TJ, compare them to Wilson and to Banneker, and you will see the answer.

No, that's not the answer to the question. White people are using SAT scores for their reasons to not send their children to Banneker. What is the reason for white people not sending their children to TJ, a largely Asian populated magnet school with great SAT scores?

You are a bit slow today, aren't you?

SAT scores at TJ are super high, showing it is a very competitive, race-blind, school. Many white students do try to get in; few do, because there's better qualified (often Asian) students.

SAT scores at Wilson are relatively high for a non-selective and super diverse school. Disclosure: my kids (Latino) will probably end up there.

SAT scores at Banneker at surprisingly low for a selective school. Why would whites (or other with better alternatives) send their kids there, unless for some reason they are looking for an all-black immersion experience?

Yes, slow. To be clear. Banneker is not all black. They have a high Latino population. They also have Asian students. Again, if a great college is your end game, Banneker is it. If you are caught up into SAT scores - I don't know, you have so much attitude - why in God's name would you send them to Wilson. Wilson is nothing to write home about. I am inbounds to Wilson and my kid is afraid to go there. And I'm black.

I won't tell you what to do with your kid, so please don't tell me what to do your mine, especially when you obviously are quite ill-informed. There are many more Latino (and Asian) at Wilson than at Banneker, and going to great colleges, AND learning how to live in the big world out there, instead of self-segregating themselves in a small and very artificial environment.

It is great that DCPS offers different choices, as we live in a very diverse city. I am in this thread because the title question intrigued me, and I wanted to learn more about the school. What I have discovered is multiple reasons why it makes no sense for my kids to even consider Banneker. I wish the school well.

I'm not the pp quoted, but regarding the bolded, What is artificial about the environment at Banneker? That's such an odd thing to say. I'm a current Banneker parent, btw.

I'm not any of these PPs, and I don't necessarily agree with PP you quoted in bold.

However, I think what PP is saying here is that an all-black environment, and frankly, an all-black-led and all-black-all-high-achieving environment, is not representative of broader society. Following high school graduation, or at the latest, following graduation from a historically black college, Banneker grads will need to navigate a world in which whites are the majority and blacks occupy few positions of power or influence. Similarly, graduates from an all girl school will encounter a male-dominated work environment in most fields. I think this was the point, that a school like Wilson is a more realistic introduction to the world out there. Again, I don't necessarily agree that such an "artificially controlled" environment is such a bad thing during formative years, but this was PP's point.

But why is this so different from what happens at other all-white high achieving environments? Why is it a bad thing it its all black, but not if its all white? (i.e(JKLM elementary schools in NW or TJ (asian) and Langley in VA or Churchill, Wooten in MD? I apologize if I am not articulating this very well, but I just don't understand why folks are arguing about Banneker and what it offers it AA population? White don't want to go there, that's clear, but why are whites putting the school down so much if it does a great good of educating its population?

You are responding to me. I did not say it was bad. In fact, I said that I did not agree with PP's assessment of it as being bad.

But to answer the question in your first sentence, it's different because white-male-dominance is (unfortunately) the national norm. Therefore a white-dominant school represents the real (American) world more than a black-dominated or female-dominated school. Don't shoot the messenger, as if this is news to anyone.

Further up thread I defended Banneker, FWIW.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the white PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that an all-black high school could be intellectually rigorous and successful at preparing students for top colleges.

I think the black PPs just honestly find it impossible to believe that Banneker is neither as intellectually rigorous nor as successful at preparing students for top colleges as other available options, especially for whites, Asians, Latinos and high SES blacks.

So be it.

Oh come on. Banneker is clearly doing something very right, given its college placement and AP results. Maybe it is not the same as TJ but that is not the question. The question is why don't any white parents, at all, even consider this very good school as compared to other good DC options like Walls and Wilson?

I don't understand the comparison to TJ. According to the latest stats, white people are shunning TJ, and the Asian population is increasingly dominant. So based on this thread, most of the whites who responded said that the school was not rigorous enough; the school was no TJ; and, the school reported too low SAT scores. Hmm, if that is truly the reason, why are whites also declining in enrollment at TJ?

Go find the SAT scores for TJ, compare them to Wilson and to Banneker, and you will see the answer.

No, that's not the answer to the question. White people are using SAT scores for their reasons to not send their children to Banneker. What is the reason for white people not sending their children to TJ, a largely Asian populated magnet school with great SAT scores?

You are a bit slow today, aren't you?

SAT scores at TJ are super high, showing it is a very competitive, race-blind, school. Many white students do try to get in; few do, because there's better qualified (often Asian) students.

SAT scores at Wilson are relatively high for a non-selective and super diverse school. Disclosure: my kids (Latino) will probably end up there.

SAT scores at Banneker at surprisingly low for a selective school. Why would whites (or other with better alternatives) send their kids there, unless for some reason they are looking for an all-black immersion experience?

Yes, slow. To be clear. Banneker is not all black. They have a high Latino population. They also have Asian students. Again, if a great college is your end game, Banneker is it. If you are caught up into SAT scores - I don't know, you have so much attitude - why in God's name would you send them to Wilson. Wilson is nothing to write home about. I am inbounds to Wilson and my kid is afraid to go there. And I'm black.

I won't tell you what to do with your kid, so please don't tell me what to do your mine, especially when you obviously are quite ill-informed. There are many more Latino (and Asian) at Wilson than at Banneker, and going to great colleges, AND learning how to live in the big world out there, instead of self-segregating themselves in a small and very artificial environment.

It is great that DCPS offers different choices, as we live in a very diverse city. I am in this thread because the title question intrigued me, and I wanted to learn more about the school. What I have discovered is multiple reasons why it makes no sense for my kids to even consider Banneker. I wish the school well.

I'm not the pp quoted, but regarding the bolded, What is artificial about the environment at Banneker? That's such an odd thing to say. I'm a current Banneker parent, btw.

I'm not any of these PPs, and I don't necessarily agree with PP you quoted in bold.

However, I think what PP is saying here is that an all-black environment, and frankly, an all-black-led and all-black-all-high-achieving environment, is not representative of broader society. Following high school graduation, or at the latest, following graduation from a historically black college, Banneker grads will need to navigate a world in which whites are the majority and blacks occupy few positions of power or influence. Similarly, graduates from an all girl school will encounter a male-dominated work environment in most fields. I think this was the point, that a school like Wilson is a more realistic introduction to the world out there. Again, I don't necessarily agree that such an "artificially controlled" environment is such a bad thing during formative years, but this was PP's point.

Yes, that was exactly my point, I should have used a different word. And I agree with you that it isn't necessarily a bad thing during formative years. It is just one (important, in my mind) factor to consider.