Ward 2/3 High School proposal in the NW Current

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The current renovation for Ellington is $130m. Dunbary was $120m and built from scratch for a capacity of ~1200. Why would putting Ellington facility for ~600 at Shaw MS or Garnet-Patterson cost so much more?

Looking at the renovation already underway answers your question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcd4hTLEGQg

I don't go to the school or have any plans to do so. But even from the outside and having no dog in the fight, this tiresome refrain looks entitled, chauvinistic and an ugly reminder of uglier times. Please stop.

Where would you suggest as the site for the new Ward 2/Ward 3 high school then? Ellington makes the most sense, but given entrenched interests there may be unlikely. Unless you want Wilson to become a strictly west of the park high school, there will be a need for another HS in the area -- any sites that you would suggest instead?

[Anonymous]

DC needs to start a selective, very rigorous math and science high school like TJ. If they can't fill it with enough qualified DC kids in the first few years, then allow space-available test -in from other jurisdictions upon payment of tuition (no sneaking in). Then DCPS has to work on the science and math courses in DC elementary and middle schools to create a real and qualified pipeline for the magnet, so that it isn't just WOTP kids. A TJ type school would attract enough kids and parents from Wilson that overcrowding there could be addressed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The current renovation for Ellington is $130m. Dunbary was $120m and built from scratch for a capacity of ~1200. Why would putting Ellington facility for ~600 at Shaw MS or Garnet-Patterson cost so much more?

Looking at the renovation already underway answers your question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcd4hTLEGQg

I don't go to the school or have any plans to do so. But even from the outside and having no dog in the fight, this tiresome refrain looks entitled, chauvinistic and an ugly reminder of uglier times. Please stop.

Where would you suggest as the site for the new Ward 2/Ward 3 high school then? Ellington makes the most sense, but given entrenched interests there may be unlikely. Unless you want Wilson to become a strictly west of the park high school, there will be a need for another HS in the area -- any sites that you would suggest instead?

Why don't you go after the old Hardy School on Foxhall instead? Lab School leases it and there may enough land there for your high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The current renovation for Ellington is $130m. Dunbary was $120m and built from scratch for a capacity of ~1200. Why would putting Ellington facility for ~600 at Shaw MS or Garnet-Patterson cost so much more?

Looking at the renovation already underway answers your question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcd4hTLEGQg

I don't go to the school or have any plans to do so. But even from the outside and having no dog in the fight, this tiresome refrain looks entitled, chauvinistic and an ugly reminder of uglier times. Please stop.

Where would you suggest as the site for the new Ward 2/Ward 3 high school then? Ellington makes the most sense, but given entrenched interests there may be unlikely. Unless you want Wilson to become a strictly west of the park high school, there will be a need for another HS in the area -- any sites that you would suggest instead?

There's not enough volume for a new Ward 2/Ward 3 high school. Most of the students at Wilson comes from EOTP and they need to be redirected into rehabbed high schools in other wards. Once that happens, there's enough room in Wilson.

I agree that a more rigorous test-in program needs to be created, but that can happen within one of the existing schools. It makes no sense to create an entirely new high school when every other high school is under-enrolled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The current renovation for Ellington is $130m. Dunbary was $120m and built from scratch for a capacity of ~1200. Why would putting Ellington facility for ~600 at Shaw MS or Garnet-Patterson cost so much more?

Looking at the renovation already underway answers your question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcd4hTLEGQg

I don't go to the school or have any plans to do so. But even from the outside and having no dog in the fight, this tiresome refrain looks entitled, chauvinistic and an ugly reminder of uglier times. Please stop.

Where would you suggest as the site for the new Ward 2/Ward 3 high school then? Ellington makes the most sense, but given entrenched interests there may be unlikely. Unless you want Wilson to become a strictly west of the park high school, there will be a need for another HS in the area -- any sites that you would suggest instead?

Why don't you go after the old Hardy School on Foxhall instead? Lab School leases it and there may enough land there for your high school.

The density of the upper NW schools is already creating unbalances . The future investments must be further east or south. Either build there (MS) or upgrade and re-launch with new and improved academic offering existing schools. I think that what has been started for Roosevelt is very promising. I trust that parents will join forces and consistently demand a) a time schedule ; b) a concrete proposal (not just a vague statement for an international program. Start soon in order to make it an international bacchalaurate and strenghten also the math/scientific offering, as these are the two demands arising from families (the first in continuity with Deal).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The current renovation for Ellington is $130m. Dunbary was $120m and built from scratch for a capacity of ~1200. Why would putting Ellington facility for ~600 at Shaw MS or Garnet-Patterson cost so much more?

Looking at the renovation already underway answers your question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcd4hTLEGQg

I don't go to the school or have any plans to do so. But even from the outside and having no dog in the fight, this tiresome refrain looks entitled, chauvinistic and an ugly reminder of uglier times. Please stop.

Where would you suggest as the site for the new Ward 2/Ward 3 high school then? Ellington makes the most sense, but given entrenched interests there may be unlikely. Unless you want Wilson to become a strictly west of the park high school, there will be a need for another HS in the area -- any sites that you would suggest instead?

Why don't you go after the old Hardy School on Foxhall instead? Lab School leases it and there may enough land there for your high school.

Maybe, but unforutately the site is less than half of Wilson's and that would be WITH taking all of the surrounding property which is owned by the Department of Parks & Rec. A bigger site could be had near Maclean Gardens by evicting the Second District police station and taking all of the surrounding land that is currently the McL Gardens playground, dog park and community gardens. Aside from predictable opposition to taking those uses, the real problem with that site is its relative proximity to Wilson itself.

[Anonymous]

The density of the upper NW schools is already creating unbalances . The future investments must be further east or south. Either build there (MS) or upgrade and re-launch with new and improved academic offering existing schools. I think that what has been started for Roosevelt is very promising. I trust that parents will join forces and consistently demand a) a time schedule ; b) a concrete proposal (not just a vague statement for an international program. Start soon in order to make it an international bacchalaurate and strenghten also the math/scientific offering, as these are the two demands arising from families (the first in continuity with Deal).

"Team Roosevelt" is supposedly meeting every week until the renovated school opens in 2016. This was shared at the Powell meeting by Emily Durso and Dan Gordon from OSSE's Office for Planning and Post Secondary Education.

They've got a long way to go, but I'm excited about it and got into a long conversation with other interested parents at the playground over the weekend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The current renovation for Ellington is $130m. Dunbary was $120m and built from scratch for a capacity of ~1200. Why would putting Ellington facility for ~600 at Shaw MS or Garnet-Patterson cost so much more?

Looking at the renovation already underway answers your question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcd4hTLEGQg

I don't go to the school or have any plans to do so. But even from the outside and having no dog in the fight, this tiresome refrain looks entitled, chauvinistic and an ugly reminder of uglier times. Please stop.

Where would you suggest as the site for the new Ward 2/Ward 3 high school then? Ellington makes the most sense, but given entrenched interests there may be unlikely. Unless you want Wilson to become a strictly west of the park high school, there will be a need for another HS in the area -- any sites that you would suggest instead?

Why don't you go after the old Hardy School on Foxhall instead? Lab School leases it and there may enough land there for your high school.

Maybe, but unforutately the site is less than half of Wilson's and that would be WITH taking all of the surrounding property which is owned by the Department of Parks & Rec. A bigger site could be had near Maclean Gardens by evicting the Second District police station and taking all of the surrounding land that is currently the McL Gardens playground, dog park and community gardens. Aside from predictable opposition to taking those uses, the real problem with that site is its relative proximity to Wilson itself.

It's ridicolos, your are talking about sites which are 1 mile or 3.5 miles from one another. No additional schools in Upper NW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The current renovation for Ellington is $130m. Dunbary was $120m and built from scratch for a capacity of ~1200. Why would putting Ellington facility for ~600 at Shaw MS or Garnet-Patterson cost so much more?

Looking at the renovation already underway answers your question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcd4hTLEGQg

I don't go to the school or have any plans to do so. But even from the outside and having no dog in the fight, this tiresome refrain looks entitled, chauvinistic and an ugly reminder of uglier times. Please stop.

Where would you suggest as the site for the new Ward 2/Ward 3 high school then? Ellington makes the most sense, but given entrenched interests there may be unlikely. Unless you want Wilson to become a strictly west of the park high school, there will be a need for another HS in the area -- any sites that you would suggest instead?

Why don't you go after the old Hardy School on Foxhall instead? Lab School leases it and there may enough land there for your high school.

Maybe, but unforutately the site is less than half of Wilson's and that would be WITH taking all of the surrounding property which is owned by the Department of Parks & Rec. A bigger site could be had near Maclean Gardens by evicting the Second District police station and taking all of the surrounding land that is currently the McL Gardens playground, dog park and community gardens. Aside from predictable opposition to taking those uses, the real problem with that site is its relative proximity to Wilson itself.

It's ridicolos, your are talking about sites which are 1 mile or 3.5 miles from one another. No additional schools in Upper NW.

Yes, perhaps you are right. If you take additional schools off the table WOTP, the simplest solution to deal with Wilson and Deal overcrowding is to end OOB feeder rights from elementary schools and, if additional steps are necessary, shrink Wilson's far-flung boundary area a bit closer to the school. It would be a straightforward solution, although not necessarily a universally popular one politically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The current renovation for Ellington is $130m. Dunbary was $120m and built from scratch for a capacity of ~1200. Why would putting Ellington facility for ~600 at Shaw MS or Garnet-Patterson cost so much more?

Looking at the renovation already underway answers your question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcd4hTLEGQg

I don't go to the school or have any plans to do so. But even from the outside and having no dog in the fight, this tiresome refrain looks entitled, chauvinistic and an ugly reminder of uglier times. Please stop.

Where would you suggest as the site for the new Ward 2/Ward 3 high school then? Ellington makes the most sense, but given entrenched interests there may be unlikely. Unless you want Wilson to become a strictly west of the park high school, there will be a need for another HS in the area -- any sites that you would suggest instead?

Why don't you go after the old Hardy School on Foxhall instead? Lab School leases it and there may enough land there for your high school.

Maybe, but unforutately the site is less than half of Wilson's and that would be WITH taking all of the surrounding property which is owned by the Department of Parks & Rec. A bigger site could be had near Maclean Gardens by evicting the Second District police station and taking all of the surrounding land that is currently the McL Gardens playground, dog park and community gardens. Aside from predictable opposition to taking those uses, the real problem with that site is its relative proximity to Wilson itself.

It's ridicolos, your are talking about sites which are 1 mile or 3.5 miles from one another. No additional schools in Upper NW.

Yes, perhaps you are right. If you take additional schools off the table WOTP, the simplest solution to deal with Wilson and Deal overcrowding is to end OOB feeder rights from elementary schools and, if additional steps are necessary, shrink Wilson's far-flung boundary area a bit closer to the school. It would be a straightforward solution, although not necessarily a universally popular one politically.

"Far-flung" is exactly what you could call a new Western high school for the large population of students who need different options and won't be opting for private.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The current renovation for Ellington is $130m. Dunbary was $120m and built from scratch for a capacity of ~1200. Why would putting Ellington facility for ~600 at Shaw MS or Garnet-Patterson cost so much more?

Looking at the renovation already underway answers your question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcd4hTLEGQg

I don't go to the school or have any plans to do so. But even from the outside and having no dog in the fight, this tiresome refrain looks entitled, chauvinistic and an ugly reminder of uglier times. Please stop.

Where would you suggest as the site for the new Ward 2/Ward 3 high school then? Ellington makes the most sense, but given entrenched interests there may be unlikely. Unless you want Wilson to become a strictly west of the park high school, there will be a need for another HS in the area -- any sites that you would suggest instead?

Why don't you go after the old Hardy School on Foxhall instead? Lab School leases it and there may enough land there for your high school.

Maybe, but unforutately the site is less than half of Wilson's and that would be WITH taking all of the surrounding property which is owned by the Department of Parks & Rec. A bigger site could be had near Maclean Gardens by evicting the Second District police station and taking all of the surrounding land that is currently the McL Gardens playground, dog park and community gardens. Aside from predictable opposition to taking those uses, the real problem with that site is its relative proximity to Wilson itself.

It's ridicolos, your are talking about sites which are 1 mile or 3.5 miles from one another. No additional schools in Upper NW.

Yes, perhaps you are right. If you take additional schools off the table WOTP, the simplest solution to deal with Wilson and Deal overcrowding is to end OOB feeder rights from elementary schools and, if additional steps are necessary, shrink Wilson's far-flung boundary area a bit closer to the school. It would be a straightforward solution, although not necessarily a universally popular one politically.

"Far-flung" is exactly what you could call a new Western high school for the large population of students who need different options and won't be opting for private.

To alleviate overcrowding in Upper NW secondary schools, I vote for ending OOB feeder rights but would be ok with grandfathering students already in the system (but not for their siblings not yet of school age).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The current renovation for Ellington is $130m. Dunbary was $120m and built from scratch for a capacity of ~1200. Why would putting Ellington facility for ~600 at Shaw MS or Garnet-Patterson cost so much more?

Looking at the renovation already underway answers your question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcd4hTLEGQg

I don't go to the school or have any plans to do so. But even from the outside and having no dog in the fight, this tiresome refrain looks entitled, chauvinistic and an ugly reminder of uglier times. Please stop.

Where would you suggest as the site for the new Ward 2/Ward 3 high school then? Ellington makes the most sense, but given entrenched interests there may be unlikely. Unless you want Wilson to become a strictly west of the park high school, there will be a need for another HS in the area -- any sites that you would suggest instead?

Why don't you go after the old Hardy School on Foxhall instead? Lab School leases it and there may enough land there for your high school.

Maybe, but unforutately the site is less than half of Wilson's and that would be WITH taking all of the surrounding property which is owned by the Department of Parks & Rec. A bigger site could be had near Maclean Gardens by evicting the Second District police station and taking all of the surrounding land that is currently the McL Gardens playground, dog park and community gardens. Aside from predictable opposition to taking those uses, the real problem with that site is its relative proximity to Wilson itself.

It's ridicolos, your are talking about sites which are 1 mile or 3.5 miles from one another. No additional schools in Upper NW.

Yes, perhaps you are right. If you take additional schools off the table WOTP, the simplest solution to deal with Wilson and Deal overcrowding is to end OOB feeder rights from elementary schools and, if additional steps are necessary, shrink Wilson's far-flung boundary area a bit closer to the school. It would be a straightforward solution, although not necessarily a universally popular one politically.

No, you build strong and appealing alternatives to Wilson for OOB. A new Western school, from this moment to the moment the first kid can step in would take no less than 6 years. Roosevelt restructuring is scheduled to end in less than 2 years. That's the train to catch, now. Assess the demand of prospective/current families and work with them and DCPS to build a competitive academic offer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The current renovation for Ellington is $130m. Dunbary was $120m and built from scratch for a capacity of ~1200. Why would putting Ellington facility for ~600 at Shaw MS or Garnet-Patterson cost so much more?

Looking at the renovation already underway answers your question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcd4hTLEGQg

I don't go to the school or have any plans to do so. But even from the outside and having no dog in the fight, this tiresome refrain looks entitled, chauvinistic and an ugly reminder of uglier times. Please stop.

Where would you suggest as the site for the new Ward 2/Ward 3 high school then? Ellington makes the most sense, but given entrenched interests there may be unlikely. Unless you want Wilson to become a strictly west of the park high school, there will be a need for another HS in the area -- any sites that you would suggest instead?

Why don't you go after the old Hardy School on Foxhall instead? Lab School leases it and there may enough land there for your high school.

Maybe, but unforutately the site is less than half of Wilson's and that would be WITH taking all of the surrounding property which is owned by the Department of Parks & Rec. A bigger site could be had near Maclean Gardens by evicting the Second District police station and taking all of the surrounding land that is currently the McL Gardens playground, dog park and community gardens. Aside from predictable opposition to taking those uses, the real problem with that site is its relative proximity to Wilson itself.

It's ridicolos, your are talking about sites which are 1 mile or 3.5 miles from one another. No additional schools in Upper NW.

Yes, perhaps you are right. If you take additional schools off the table WOTP, the simplest solution to deal with Wilson and Deal overcrowding is to end OOB feeder rights from elementary schools and, if additional steps are necessary, shrink Wilson's far-flung boundary area a bit closer to the school. It would be a straightforward solution, although not necessarily a universally popular one politically.

"Far-flung" is exactly what you could call a new Western high school for the large population of students who need different options and won't be opting for private.

To alleviate overcrowding in Upper NW secondary schools, I vote for ending OOB feeder rights but would be ok with grandfathering students already in the system (but not for their siblings not yet of school age).

The tone-deafness here is a force of nature.

DCPS is not interested in any solution which involves you digging a moat around higher-performing DCPSs, and excluding the OOB students who use the schools in upper NW as an escape valve.

How much clearer does it need to be made to you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The current renovation for Ellington is $130m. Dunbary was $120m and built from scratch for a capacity of ~1200. Why would putting Ellington facility for ~600 at Shaw MS or Garnet-Patterson cost so much more?

Looking at the renovation already underway answers your question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcd4hTLEGQg

I don't go to the school or have any plans to do so. But even from the outside and having no dog in the fight, this tiresome refrain looks entitled, chauvinistic and an ugly reminder of uglier times. Please stop.

Where would you suggest as the site for the new Ward 2/Ward 3 high school then? Ellington makes the most sense, but given entrenched interests there may be unlikely. Unless you want Wilson to become a strictly west of the park high school, there will be a need for another HS in the area -- any sites that you would suggest instead?

Why don't you go after the old Hardy School on Foxhall instead? Lab School leases it and there may enough land there for your high school.

Maybe, but unforutately the site is less than half of Wilson's and that would be WITH taking all of the surrounding property which is owned by the Department of Parks & Rec. A bigger site could be had near Maclean Gardens by evicting the Second District police station and taking all of the surrounding land that is currently the McL Gardens playground, dog park and community gardens. Aside from predictable opposition to taking those uses, the real problem with that site is its relative proximity to Wilson itself.

It's ridicolos, your are talking about sites which are 1 mile or 3.5 miles from one another. No additional schools in Upper NW.

Yes, perhaps you are right. If you take additional schools off the table WOTP, the simplest solution to deal with Wilson and Deal overcrowding is to end OOB feeder rights from elementary schools and, if additional steps are necessary, shrink Wilson's far-flung boundary area a bit closer to the school. It would be a straightforward solution, although not necessarily a universally popular one politically.

No, you build strong and appealing alternatives to Wilson for OOB. A new Western school, from this moment to the moment the first kid can step in would take no less than 6 years. Roosevelt restructuring is scheduled to end in less than 2 years. That's the train to catch, now. Assess the demand of prospective/current families and work with them and DCPS to build a competitive academic offer.

Where is this new Western to go? Not Ellington. Not the old Hardy (seriously, it's tiny - barely elementary school sized). Where?

[Anonymous]

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Where is this new Western to go? Not Ellington. Not the old Hardy (seriously, it's tiny - barely elementary school sized). Where?

The building at old Hardy is small, but the lot is twice the size of Ellington's. Buildings can be made bigger.