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Anonymous wrote:Tuition increase email came out. Holton next year will be $60,535 for all grades. Any other schools cross the $60k threshold?? Woof.

I understand DMV is full of ultra-rich people. But for most UMC families without generational wealth, this is shockingly expensive for an elementary school. I mean, it is college tuition price.

How do one justify this? No matter how much you emphasize education, isn't this ridiculous? How can such a school (including those with $57k) have any
Is social justice a value and inclusive? Doesn't make all DEI statements totally empty words as the price will shut out diverse people?

The same way people justify spenidng on any luxury good. Do you ask people how they justify buying a Mercedes?

As for being inclusive, at our private, 25% of students are on financial aid. I won't pretend it's as diverse as our nearby public, but it's not entirely lacking either.

It is just so hard to process these numbers. The result is that even richer people will be able to make this investment. It used to be like HHI for 400K is possible. Now it will be 500K. Then, in the future, it will be 800K. That means only MDs, JDs, and hedge fund people can afford it. People with regular jobs or PhDs will not be able to afford it unless they have family wealth.

Which is what the rich people want. And there are enough of them to fill these schools. The schools know this and will keep increasing tuition Supply and demand.

Yet in 60k schools parents still supplement math and music class.

We certainly don’t.

There is no need for math, unless your student can't keep up. Music, perhaps, especially if seeking to go to a conservatory or similarly advanced program for college. View it the same as athletics which we definitely do supplement through club sports and private lessons for our daughter's specific position.

That’s irrelevant to private school, though. That would be true no matter what.

My sister went to Juilliard pre-college. That doesn’t mean her NYC private school was somehow deficient.

Sounds like we are in violent agreement.

Maybe, but the person who brought up math and music supplementation at private schools clearly meant it as a slight on private schools.

That person is clearly an idiot. Public schools are cutting music and arts left and right.

The baseline is not public school, that is free! The issue is how should the school improve to make the $60k worth it

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Anonymous wrote:Tuition increase email came out. Holton next year will be $60,535 for all grades. Any other schools cross the $60k threshold?? Woof.

I understand DMV is full of ultra-rich people. But for most UMC families without generational wealth, this is shockingly expensive for an elementary school. I mean, it is college tuition price.

How do one justify this? No matter how much you emphasize education, isn't this ridiculous? How can such a school (including those with $57k) have any
Is social justice a value and inclusive? Doesn't make all DEI statements totally empty words as the price will shut out diverse people?

The same way people justify spenidng on any luxury good. Do you ask people how they justify buying a Mercedes?

As for being inclusive, at our private, 25% of students are on financial aid. I won't pretend it's as diverse as our nearby public, but it's not entirely lacking either.

It is just so hard to process these numbers. The result is that even richer people will be able to make this investment. It used to be like HHI for 400K is possible. Now it will be 500K. Then, in the future, it will be 800K. That means only MDs, JDs, and hedge fund people can afford it. People with regular jobs or PhDs will not be able to afford it unless they have family wealth.

Which is what the rich people want. And there are enough of them to fill these schools. The schools know this and will keep increasing tuition Supply and demand.

Yet in 60k schools parents still supplement math and music class.

I don’t know anyone at our K-8 supplementing math or music. We have an absolutely amazing arts department. Math is terrific.

So stop spouting nonsense.

What is the nonsense? The 60k to pay for tuition for elementary school is the only nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Would I spend $60k for lower or middle school? No. For high school? Yes, IF the school is a good fit for our kids, it includes things like lunch and laptop and access to trainers etc. It is crazy that that’s those are the numbers we are talking about but we prioritize spending on education which that includes the overall experience. Compared to our zoned mcps Hugh school, yes, it’s worth it.

FWIW—Have a kid in private and one at MCPS (they have learning differences and there isn’t a good private option for their needs) and let me tell you the quality of education IRL is markedly different. I don’t think a lot of parents are really looking closely at what the day to day instruction and overall experience is for those claiming MCPS hs is the gold standard.

Actually I think most are. Especially when you live in a country that doesn’t want to invest 60k so every student can have an excellent education. Not to mention what would be required to lower student teacher ratios for all students.

The question is will the $60k school attract top teachers? Do they pay teachers well? Do they really provide educational resources to the family? Not just a fancy swimming pool?

From a previous thread where teachers were chiming in with their salaries, these 60K private schools are paying less than public! And often not providing good benefits either.

It is the facilities. That is the biggest difference between the 60K schools and the private schools that don’t charge that/public schools.

And the Heads’ salaries! There’s no reason these private Heads should be making 2-3x or more than MCPS or FCPS superintendents, but here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:Would I spend $60k for lower or middle school? No. For high school? Yes, IF the school is a good fit for our kids, it includes things like lunch and laptop and access to trainers etc. It is crazy that that’s those are the numbers we are talking about but we prioritize spending on education which that includes the overall experience. Compared to our zoned mcps Hugh school, yes, it’s worth it.

FWIW—Have a kid in private and one at MCPS (they have learning differences and there isn’t a good private option for their needs) and let me tell you the quality of education IRL is markedly different. I don’t think a lot of parents are really looking closely at what the day to day instruction and overall experience is for those claiming MCPS hs is the gold standard.

Actually I think most are. Especially when you live in a country that doesn’t want to invest 60k so every student can have an excellent education. Not to mention what would be required to lower student teacher ratios for all students.

The question is will the $60k school attract top teachers? Do they pay teachers well? Do they really provide educational resources to the family? Not just a fancy swimming pool?

Why don’t you go and ask these questions at one of the schools?

1. Our K-8 doesn’t have a swimming pool.

2. We have incredible teachers who know our kids inside and out.

3. My kid’s art teacher, for example, has access to 2 large, professional grade art studios just for the K-4th grade where he teaches them in-depth about how to express themselves.

My 8 year old did an abstract self-portrait in his class that was featured at a student art show in a local gallery. It won 1st place in a category for 8-13 year olds.

But sure — we’re just paying for fancy facilities.

Isn’t the school in question Holton and others that charges 60k?

So the people who push back against private schools find $45K completely reasonable, such that other schools are irrelevant to this discussion?

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We came here from Denver, and the top privates top out at about 40K, with others and lower grades closer to 25K. There is a higher cost of living here, but not nearly by that margin. Denver real estate is comparable to here, so we’d have to spend just as much on a similar house in a similar neighborhood there as here.

With the cost to educate a student for instruction (teachers, materials, programs and building maintenance) at about 15-20K in this area, three times that is unreasonable.

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Anonymous wrote:Would I spend $60k for lower or middle school? No. For high school? Yes, IF the school is a good fit for our kids, it includes things like lunch and laptop and access to trainers etc. It is crazy that that’s those are the numbers we are talking about but we prioritize spending on education which that includes the overall experience. Compared to our zoned mcps Hugh school, yes, it’s worth it.

FWIW—Have a kid in private and one at MCPS (they have learning differences and there isn’t a good private option for their needs) and let me tell you the quality of education IRL is markedly different. I don’t think a lot of parents are really looking closely at what the day to day instruction and overall experience is for those claiming MCPS hs is the gold standard.

Actually I think most are. Especially when you live in a country that doesn’t want to invest 60k so every student can have an excellent education. Not to mention what would be required to lower student teacher ratios for all students.

The question is will the $60k school attract top teachers? Do they pay teachers well? Do they really provide educational resources to the family? Not just a fancy swimming pool?

Why don’t you go and ask these questions at one of the schools?

1. Our K-8 doesn’t have a swimming pool.

2. We have incredible teachers who know our kids inside and out.

3. My kid’s art teacher, for example, has access to 2 large, professional grade art studios just for the K-4th grade where he teaches them in-depth about how to express themselves.

My 8 year old did an abstract self-portrait in his class that was featured at a student art show in a local gallery. It won 1st place in a category for 8-13 year olds.

But sure — we’re just paying for fancy facilities.

Isn’t the school in question Holton and others that charges 60k?

So the people who push back against private schools find $45K completely reasonable, such that other schools are irrelevant to this discussion?

It is all twisted up and hard to follow. Someone is complaining that the school rate of $60/hour doesn't meet expectations, and kids still sometimes have to supplement outside of school. Then someone else came in to praise their K-8, which doesn't have a swimming pool.

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Anonymous wrote:We came here from Denver, and the top privates top out at about 40K, with others and lower grades closer to 25K. There is a higher cost of living here, but not nearly by that margin. Denver real estate is comparable to here, so we’d have to spend just as much on a similar house in a similar neighborhood there as here.

With the cost to educate a student for instruction (teachers, materials, programs and building maintenance) at about 15-20K in this area, three times that is unreasonable.

But there are way more ultra-rich, generational-wealth people owning several multimillion-dollar houses, here. And it is an ultra-competitive, elitist place. Denver feels so much better.

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Anonymous wrote:Would I spend $60k for lower or middle school? No. For high school? Yes, IF the school is a good fit for our kids, it includes things like lunch and laptop and access to trainers etc. It is crazy that that’s those are the numbers we are talking about but we prioritize spending on education which that includes the overall experience. Compared to our zoned mcps Hugh school, yes, it’s worth it.

FWIW—Have a kid in private and one at MCPS (they have learning differences and there isn’t a good private option for their needs) and let me tell you the quality of education IRL is markedly different. I don’t think a lot of parents are really looking closely at what the day to day instruction and overall experience is for those claiming MCPS hs is the gold standard.

Actually I think most are. Especially when you live in a country that doesn’t want to invest 60k so every student can have an excellent education. Not to mention what would be required to lower student teacher ratios for all students.

The question is will the $60k school attract top teachers? Do they pay teachers well? Do they really provide educational resources to the family? Not just a fancy swimming pool?

Why don’t you go and ask these questions at one of the schools?

1. Our K-8 doesn’t have a swimming pool.

2. We have incredible teachers who know our kids inside and out.

3. My kid’s art teacher, for example, has access to 2 large, professional grade art studios just for the K-4th grade where he teaches them in-depth about how to express themselves.

My 8 year old did an abstract self-portrait in his class that was featured at a student art show in a local gallery. It won 1st place in a category for 8-13 year olds.

But sure — we’re just paying for fancy facilities.

Isn’t the school in question Holton and others that charges 60k?

So the people who push back against private schools find $45K completely reasonable, such that other schools are irrelevant to this discussion?

Honestly, 45K feels much more reasonable than 60K, though still very expensive. Also, how much diversity through financial aid really can bring if the tuition is 60K? even 50% aid is 30K.

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Anonymous wrote:Tuition increase email came out. Holton next year will be $60,535 for all grades. Any other schools cross the $60k threshold?? Woof.

I understand DMV is full of ultra-rich people. But for most UMC families without generational wealth, this is shockingly expensive for an elementary school. I mean, it is college tuition price.

How do one justify this? No matter how much you emphasize education, isn't this ridiculous? How can such a school (including those with $57k) have any
Is social justice a value and inclusive? Doesn't make all DEI statements totally empty words as the price will shut out diverse people?

The same way people justify spenidng on any luxury good. Do you ask people how they justify buying a Mercedes?

As for being inclusive, at our private, 25% of students are on financial aid. I won't pretend it's as diverse as our nearby public, but it's not entirely lacking either.

It is just so hard to process these numbers. The result is that even richer people will be able to make this investment. It used to be like HHI for 400K is possible. Now it will be 500K. Then, in the future, it will be 800K. That means only MDs, JDs, and hedge fund people can afford it. People with regular jobs or PhDs will not be able to afford it unless they have family wealth.

Which is what the rich people want. And there are enough of them to fill these schools. The schools know this and will keep increasing tuition Supply and demand.

Yet in 60k schools parents still supplement math and music class.

We certainly don’t.

There is no need for math, unless your student can't keep up. Music, perhaps, especially if seeking to go to a conservatory or similarly advanced program for college. View it the same as athletics which we definitely do supplement through club sports and private lessons for our daughter's specific position.

That’s irrelevant to private school, though. That would be true no matter what.

My sister went to Juilliard pre-college. That doesn’t mean her NYC private school was somehow deficient.

Sounds like we are in violent agreement.

Maybe, but the person who brought up math and music supplementation at private schools clearly meant it as a slight on private schools.

That person is clearly an idiot. Public schools are cutting music and arts left and right.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll take “Things that aren’t worth $60k/year for $1000, Alex.”

Considering the waitlist is a mile long I’d guess a lot of people disagree with you.

I sincerely doubt it’s a mile long but if it is, good for Holton. Most people will wait and spend that money on college, not a no-name private school.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll take “Things that aren’t worth $60k/year for $1000, Alex.”

Considering the waitlist is a mile long I’d guess a lot of people disagree with you.

I sincerely doubt it’s a mile long but if it is, good for Holton. Most people will wait and spend that money on college, not a no-name private school.

Jackie Kennedy went there, but ok.

Good enough for the Kennedy’s but you’re better.

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Anonymous wrote:We came here from Denver, and the top privates top out at about 40K, with others and lower grades closer to 25K. There is a higher cost of living here, but not nearly by that margin. Denver real estate is comparable to here, so we’d have to spend just as much on a similar house in a similar neighborhood there as here.

With the cost to educate a student for instruction (teachers, materials, programs and building maintenance) at about 15-20K in this area, three times that is unreasonable.

But there are way more ultra-rich, generational-wealth people owning several multimillion-dollar houses, here. And it is an ultra-competitive, elitist place. Denver feels so much better.

That’s true. Which basically just proves the point that people can and will pay more here, but they’re not necessarily getting more for it!

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Anonymous wrote:Would I spend $60k for lower or middle school? No. For high school? Yes, IF the school is a good fit for our kids, it includes things like lunch and laptop and access to trainers etc. It is crazy that that’s those are the numbers we are talking about but we prioritize spending on education which that includes the overall experience. Compared to our zoned mcps Hugh school, yes, it’s worth it.

FWIW—Have a kid in private and one at MCPS (they have learning differences and there isn’t a good private option for their needs) and let me tell you the quality of education IRL is markedly different. I don’t think a lot of parents are really looking closely at what the day to day instruction and overall experience is for those claiming MCPS hs is the gold standard.

Actually I think most are. Especially when you live in a country that doesn’t want to invest 60k so every student can have an excellent education. Not to mention what would be required to lower student teacher ratios for all students.

The question is will the $60k school attract top teachers? Do they pay teachers well? Do they really provide educational resources to the family? Not just a fancy swimming pool?

From a previous thread where teachers were chiming in with their salaries, these 60K private schools are paying less than public! And often not providing good benefits either.

It is the facilities. That is the biggest difference between the 60K schools and the private schools that don’t charge that/public schools.

And the Heads’ salaries! There’s no reason these private Heads should be making 2-3x or more than MCPS or FCPS superintendents, but here we are.

We saw this during the application process. None of them merited these salaries.

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If you don’t like the tuitions or the head of school or whatever, it’s very easy: don’t send your kids there.

But to come on here and complain about a choice you didn’t make?

Weird.

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Anonymous wrote:Tuition increase email came out. Holton next year will be $60,535 for all grades. Any other schools cross the $60k threshold?? Woof.

I understand DMV is full of ultra-rich people. But for most UMC families without generational wealth, this is shockingly expensive for an elementary school. I mean, it is college tuition price.

How do one justify this? No matter how much you emphasize education, isn't this ridiculous? How can such a school (including those with $57k) have any
Is social justice a value and inclusive? Doesn't make all DEI statements totally empty words as the price will shut out diverse people?

The same way people justify spenidng on any luxury good. Do you ask people how they justify buying a Mercedes?

As for being inclusive, at our private, 25% of students are on financial aid. I won't pretend it's as diverse as our nearby public, but it's not entirely lacking either.

It is just so hard to process these numbers. The result is that even richer people will be able to make this investment. It used to be like HHI for 400K is possible. Now it will be 500K. Then, in the future, it will be 800K. That means only MDs, JDs, and hedge fund people can afford it. People with regular jobs or PhDs will not be able to afford it unless they have family wealth.

Which is what the rich people want. And there are enough of them to fill these schools. The schools know this and will keep increasing tuition Supply and demand.

Yet in 60k schools parents still supplement math and music class.

We certainly don’t.

There is no need for math, unless your student can't keep up. Music, perhaps, especially if seeking to go to a conservatory or similarly advanced program for college. View it the same as athletics which we definitely do supplement through club sports and private lessons for our daughter's specific position.

That’s irrelevant to private school, though. That would be true no matter what.

My sister went to Juilliard pre-college. That doesn’t mean her NYC private school was somehow deficient.

Sounds like we are in violent agreement.

Maybe, but the person who brought up math and music supplementation at private schools clearly meant it as a slight on private schools.

That person is clearly an idiot. Public schools are cutting music and arts left and right.

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True, but sending your child to public school frees up 60k that can be used to buy a lot of high quality privately provided enrichment (including music and art lessons.)