I fear for the future of Einstein.

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Anonymous wrote:And the reason Whitman doesn't need a program is because they already have:
- their own engineering program
- Numerous advanced science classes including 3 different AP physics classes
- advanced math up to MVC (no I am not the MVC poster but just cataloguing what Whitman has, and one of those things is MVC)
- 9 AP social studies classes

So no, they won't be sending their kids to Einstein for biomedical science, gmafb. The kids will be traveling one way in this model.

Whitman also offers the most foreign languages out of all MCPS highschools despite its size. They offer ASL, French, Latin, Arabic, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese.

Why do they offer different foreign languages at different schools? This seems very unfair to me. I would like these offered at Einstein!

different schools have different student populations and needs. this is public school.

Yeah it’s public school. How is it a “different needs” thing? Or anything to do with the school population. Even if it’s based on student interest, how do they determine it? I have a kid in 10th grade, and I don’t recall him ever being surveyed on what foreign language/s he would like to study. I’ve certainly never been asked what languages I would like to see offered at the school.

as a basic example, different schools have different percentages of kids at or below grade level, which leads to more sections of classes at specific levels. this leads to having fewer resources at the school level for more advanced classes. i am not specifically talking about einstein, here, just a general example of why not all schools offer the same material. i mean, there isn't Middle College at every school, nor is there CTE....

Whatever. Just seems pretty unfair if Whitman offers 8 foreign languages (based on prior post) and Einstein offers 3 based on their website.

What did you think the differences would be between the richest population HS and one of the poorest? Honestly or did you kid your self that there was no difference and all those fools were simply overpaying for their homes? I mean deep down you knew the difference which is why you don't live in an even worse area right. The worst school in DC vs Wilson, you logically know they are completely different places even though they are the same system right? But you're shocked a HS with no measurable FARMS has perks compared to one with a number that hovers around 2/3rds on or have received FARMS. Lying to the world makes you a jerk, lying to yourself makes you a fool.

DP how many times do you need to post this garbage to justify to yourself paying a premium for your house zoned for a school where at best, 1 out of 5 White students are not even proficient in math?

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

I don't care about humantities. Northwood can advocate for themselves. Whitman has everything they need so saying they get nothing is false. They get to keep everything they have and are in a bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

Um nobody I know from Einstein asked for these things. I personally don't want half the humanities kids siphoned off to Whitman. If humanities were at Northwood, I'd be much happier.

Why are you so insistent on misrepresenting what Einstein parents have actually advocated for? What's your agenda? Be honest.

Reality is, there are only going to be 20-40 or so slots for students to get into the other regional schools, and then there is the transportation issue. Most of the more comfortable families choose Einstein and aren't going to send their kids to Whitman.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to wonder which central office staffer thought to themselves "Whitman just doesn't have enough academically advanced kids with lots of resources, we need to bring more into Whitman from East county schools!"

They probably think some families who can’t afford Whitman but want a top rated top resourced school would like a chance to apply in. It’s bizarre to me that people wouldn’t want at least the option for access to a school that is known to be the best. Fine if you don’t want to take advantage of the option and I get the downsides of the commute. But it’s weird that you would think just because you wouldn’t want to send your kid there that nobody would.

It's weird for you to say this when my previous post clearly indicates my concern is that kids/families will want to go to Whitman, not that they won't.

Every MCPS school has academically advanced kids, of all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds. But the availability of advanced coursework in any given school is dependent on "interest" - or more specifically the cohort of academically advanced kids that are interested in taking the course. This is why Whitman's course bulletin lists 9 different AP social studies courses and Einstein has 5. The academically advanced cohort at Einstein is smaller than the one at Whitman (or BCC). Now, you take 50 kids from Einstein and put them in the humanities magnet, another 50 get into the languages program, another 50 go to BCC for IB. What do you think happens to the academically advanced kids that get left behind, either because they can't fit in a 1 hour each way commute or because they struck out in the lottery? They lose more humanities options at Einstein. If you don't put the humanities magnet at Whitman, nothing bad happens to them. Few Whitman students will go to BCC or Northwood, because they have so much advanced humanities courses at their home school. What would be the point of traveling all that way? Plus their cohort is large enough anyway.

I honestly think they could swap the medical programs and put them at Whitman and put the Humanities program at Einstein and give back the performing arts to Northwood and everyone would feel a little more satisfied.

DP - no, thank you. I’m glad Einstein will have medical sciences. Whitman doesn’t need anything special beyond being Whitman and I mean that sincerely.

That’s fine, and you can have your opinion, but they are putting a program in every school so unless you think 24 schools should get a program and Whitman should be excluded because reasons, they’re going to get something. Honestly it doesn’t sound like Einstein people will be satisfied no matter what is offered to them.

We want the same opportunities that your kids get at Whitman at our home schools. If you get arts and academics, shouldn’t our kids as well. I think you don’t understand the huge disparities at each school.

The medical program is very basic.

You’d be much better served advocating as a group for reasonable things like getting the Humanities magnet rather than asking for ridiculous things like getting the humanities AND medical AND performing arts and Northwood and Whitman getting nothing. It seems like you have several very reasonable posters but the unrealistic ones are hurting your cause.

Um nobody I know from Einstein asked for these things. I personally don't want half the humanities kids siphoned off to Whitman. If humanities were at Northwood, I'd be much happier.

Why are you so insistent on misrepresenting what Einstein parents have actually advocated for? What's your agenda? Be honest.

The only info I have on any of this is these threads where y’all can’t seem to find consensus and some people are coming across as unrealistic and others are frankly coming across as hysterical and mean. Others are coming across as normal and reasonable. Maybe it is unfathomable to you that an anonymous person with no skin in this or agenda would try to help you all distill your priorities down to something reasonable and practical, but it’s the truth. My own kids will not be affected by these changes in this region.

Exactly, your own kids have access to the classes they need and want, and no changes for your family, so you cannot understand why it's a big deal to others as you don't care about anyone but yourself and your family, so why are you even commenting? The impact is huge for many of us.

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Anonymous wrote:And the reason Whitman doesn't need a program is because they already have:
- their own engineering program
- Numerous advanced science classes including 3 different AP physics classes
- advanced math up to MVC (no I am not the MVC poster but just cataloguing what Whitman has, and one of those things is MVC)
- 9 AP social studies classes

So no, they won't be sending their kids to Einstein for biomedical science, gmafb. The kids will be traveling one way in this model.

Whitman also offers the most foreign languages out of all MCPS highschools despite its size. They offer ASL, French, Latin, Arabic, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese.

Why do they offer different foreign languages at different schools? This seems very unfair to me. I would like these offered at Einstein!

different schools have different student populations and needs. this is public school.

So, the simple solution is to give schools with higher needs far more money than schools with fewer needs. At these schools, there is a huge range of abilities. One simple solution would be to start teaching math, science, history, and other classes in Spanish. And, to then offer more AP and advanced classes for students who need it. Not all families are low income. And, some make just as much or more than Whitman families but don't want to live in that world.

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Anonymous wrote:And the reason Whitman doesn't need a program is because they already have:
- their own engineering program
- Numerous advanced science classes including 3 different AP physics classes
- advanced math up to MVC (no I am not the MVC poster but just cataloguing what Whitman has, and one of those things is MVC)
- 9 AP social studies classes

So no, they won't be sending their kids to Einstein for biomedical science, gmafb. The kids will be traveling one way in this model.

Whitman also offers the most foreign languages out of all MCPS highschools despite its size. They offer ASL, French, Latin, Arabic, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese.

Why do they offer different foreign languages at different schools? This seems very unfair to me. I would like these offered at Einstein!

different schools have different student populations and needs. this is public school.

So, the simple solution is to give schools with higher needs far more money than schools with fewer needs. At these schools, there is a huge range of abilities. One simple solution would be to start teaching math, science, history, and other classes in Spanish. And, to then offer more AP and advanced classes for students who need it. Not all families are low income. And, some make just as much or more than Whitman families but don't want to live in that world.

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But good luck convincing the Wealthy White people of the W schools to support this

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Anonymous wrote:On the boundaries options, it seems like Option B is the best for both the Einstein and Northwood zones. Option C has a large decrease in enrollment for Einstein, and Options A and D leave Northwood at only 85% utilization, which I think doesn't make sense from an ROI perspective on a brand-new building.

Also Option B would put Blair at 91% utilization, leaving room for its popular magnets. The other options have it at over 100% utilization with just resident students.

For performing arts, I think I agree with the consensus in keeping performing arts at Einstein and putting the humanities magnet at Northwood.

And waste a brand new auditorium with professional lighting and sound? That's using resources well.

How is having a humanities program wasting that?

Northwood is BUILDING from scratch.

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Anonymous wrote:And the reason Whitman doesn't need a program is because they already have:
- their own engineering program
- Numerous advanced science classes including 3 different AP physics classes
- advanced math up to MVC (no I am not the MVC poster but just cataloguing what Whitman has, and one of those things is MVC)
- 9 AP social studies classes

So no, they won't be sending their kids to Einstein for biomedical science, gmafb. The kids will be traveling one way in this model.

Whitman also offers the most foreign languages out of all MCPS highschools despite its size. They offer ASL, French, Latin, Arabic, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese.

Why do they offer different foreign languages at different schools? This seems very unfair to me. I would like these offered at Einstein!

different schools have different student populations and needs. this is public school.

So, the simple solution is to give schools with higher needs far more money than schools with fewer needs. At these schools, there is a huge range of abilities. One simple solution would be to start teaching math, science, history, and other classes in Spanish. And, to then offer more AP and advanced classes for students who need it. Not all families are low income. And, some make just as much or more than Whitman families but don't want to live in that world.

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But good luck convincing the Wealthy White people of the W schools to support this

Not all wealthy people are white.

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Anonymous wrote:And the reason Whitman doesn't need a program is because they already have:
- their own engineering program
- Numerous advanced science classes including 3 different AP physics classes
- advanced math up to MVC (no I am not the MVC poster but just cataloguing what Whitman has, and one of those things is MVC)
- 9 AP social studies classes

So no, they won't be sending their kids to Einstein for biomedical science, gmafb. The kids will be traveling one way in this model.

Whitman also offers the most foreign languages out of all MCPS highschools despite its size. They offer ASL, French, Latin, Arabic, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese.

Why do they offer different foreign languages at different schools? This seems very unfair to me. I would like these offered at Einstein!

different schools have different student populations and needs. this is public school.

So, the simple solution is to give schools with higher needs far more money than schools with fewer needs. At these schools, there is a huge range of abilities. One simple solution would be to start teaching math, science, history, and other classes in Spanish. And, to then offer more AP and advanced classes for students who need it. Not all families are low income. And, some make just as much or more than Whitman families but don't want to live in that world.

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But good luck convincing the Wealthy White people of the W schools to support this

Not all wealthy people are white.

I didn't say they were.

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Anonymous wrote:And the reason Whitman doesn't need a program is because they already have:
- their own engineering program
- Numerous advanced science classes including 3 different AP physics classes
- advanced math up to MVC (no I am not the MVC poster but just cataloguing what Whitman has, and one of those things is MVC)
- 9 AP social studies classes

So no, they won't be sending their kids to Einstein for biomedical science, gmafb. The kids will be traveling one way in this model.

Whitman also offers the most foreign languages out of all MCPS highschools despite its size. They offer ASL, French, Latin, Arabic, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese.

Why do they offer different foreign languages at different schools? This seems very unfair to me. I would like these offered at Einstein!

different schools have different student populations and needs. this is public school.

Yeah it’s public school. How is it a “different needs” thing? Or anything to do with the school population. Even if it’s based on student interest, how do they determine it? I have a kid in 10th grade, and I don’t recall him ever being surveyed on what foreign language/s he would like to study. I’ve certainly never been asked what languages I would like to see offered at the school.

as a basic example, different schools have different percentages of kids at or below grade level, which leads to more sections of classes at specific levels. this leads to having fewer resources at the school level for more advanced classes. i am not specifically talking about einstein, here, just a general example of why not all schools offer the same material. i mean, there isn't Middle College at every school, nor is there CTE....

Whatever. Just seems pretty unfair if Whitman offers 8 foreign languages (based on prior post) and Einstein offers 3 based on their website.

What did you think the differences would be between the richest population HS and one of the poorest? Honestly or did you kid your self that there was no difference and all those fools were simply overpaying for their homes? I mean deep down you knew the difference which is why you don't live in an even worse area right. The worst school in DC vs Wilson, you logically know they are completely different places even though they are the same system right? But you're shocked a HS with no measurable FARMS has perks compared to one with a number that hovers around 2/3rds on or have received FARMS. Lying to the world makes you a jerk, lying to yourself makes you a fool.

DP how many times do you need to post this garbage to justify to yourself paying a premium for your house zoned for a school where at best, 1 out of 5 White students are not even proficient in math?

Blah blah blah, Im not the one whining about how much worse my school is going to get when a handful of actual students flee for various new programs which you and I both know they will gladly do for obvious reasons. I even get why you are upset as the cupboard is pretty bare to begin with there.

As to the math issue, maybe they are burned out from all those electives like Chinese. Who cares, I suspect a plain avg & bad at math kid from Whitman turns out way more successful than 99% of Einstein. Your middle class insecurities are showing and I suspect that is what drives your fear which causes you to over value school, actual academics are barely a top 5 influence of outcome. A prerequisite for some paths sure but how many broke-ish highly educated middle class people do you know, I know a ton. Wealthy neighborhoods and schools aren't accelerators they are indications the participants are already ahead of you and a reminder you're not likely to catch up. But rest sound as there is always a richer school, Whitman is still only a public and lots of privates consider the chasm between it and them even greater than the one between Whitman and your community. Just as I am sure in certain circle you have been thankful youre not in PG and so on.

Schools don't teach or build affluence, parents do. And if you were really capable of teaching it one must question why you aren't living it. Your kid's outcome is already written + or - 20% regardless of what classes they take at this point based on where you started them in the race. Harvard doesn't so much build future leaders, they select potential future leaders and grades are more a gate for the masses than a criteria. Even if one was to buy the premises that Harvard's biology is 10% better than UMDs same class (arguable). One gets 1000% more out of Harvard's class. Showing you completed Harvard's tells the world you were some combo of rich, clever or connected enough to get to Harvard. Completing UMDs shows you complete stuff on time, have a manageable credit score and aren't a total Drunk. That the privilege of affluence, keep arguing about the merits of Biology

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Anonymous wrote:And the reason Whitman doesn't need a program is because they already have:
- their own engineering program
- Numerous advanced science classes including 3 different AP physics classes
- advanced math up to MVC (no I am not the MVC poster but just cataloguing what Whitman has, and one of those things is MVC)
- 9 AP social studies classes

So no, they won't be sending their kids to Einstein for biomedical science, gmafb. The kids will be traveling one way in this model.

Whitman also offers the most foreign languages out of all MCPS highschools despite its size. They offer ASL, French, Latin, Arabic, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese.

Why do they offer different foreign languages at different schools? This seems very unfair to me. I would like these offered at Einstein!

different schools have different student populations and needs. this is public school.

Yeah it’s public school. How is it a “different needs” thing? Or anything to do with the school population. Even if it’s based on student interest, how do they determine it? I have a kid in 10th grade, and I don’t recall him ever being surveyed on what foreign language/s he would like to study. I’ve certainly never been asked what languages I would like to see offered at the school.

as a basic example, different schools have different percentages of kids at or below grade level, which leads to more sections of classes at specific levels. this leads to having fewer resources at the school level for more advanced classes. i am not specifically talking about einstein, here, just a general example of why not all schools offer the same material. i mean, there isn't Middle College at every school, nor is there CTE....

Whatever. Just seems pretty unfair if Whitman offers 8 foreign languages (based on prior post) and Einstein offers 3 based on their website.

What did you think the differences would be between the richest population HS and one of the poorest? Honestly or did you kid your self that there was no difference and all those fools were simply overpaying for their homes? I mean deep down you knew the difference which is why you don't live in an even worse area right. The worst school in DC vs Wilson, you logically know they are completely different places even though they are the same system right? But you're shocked a HS with no measurable FARMS has perks compared to one with a number that hovers around 2/3rds on or have received FARMS. Lying to the world makes you a jerk, lying to yourself makes you a fool.

DP how many times do you need to post this garbage to justify to yourself paying a premium for your house zoned for a school where at best, 1 out of 5 White students are not even proficient in math?

Blah blah blah, Im not the one whining about how much worse my school is going to get when a handful of actual students flee for various new programs which you and I both know they will gladly do for obvious reasons. I even get why you are upset as the cupboard is pretty bare to begin with there.

As to the math issue, maybe they are burned out from all those electives like Chinese. Who cares, I suspect a plain avg & bad at math kid from Whitman turns out way more successful than 99% of Einstein. Your middle class insecurities are showing and I suspect that is what drives your fear which causes you to over value school, actual academics are barely a top 5 influence of outcome. A prerequisite for some paths sure but how many broke-ish highly educated middle class people do you know, I know a ton. Wealthy neighborhoods and schools aren't accelerators they are indications the participants are already ahead of you and a reminder you're not likely to catch up. But rest sound as there is always a richer school, Whitman is still only a public and lots of privates consider the chasm between it and them even greater than the one between Whitman and your community. Just as I am sure in certain circle you have been thankful youre not in PG and so on.

Schools don't teach or build affluence, parents do. And if you were really capable of teaching it one must question why you aren't living it. Your kid's outcome is already written + or - 20% regardless of what classes they take at this point based on where you started them in the race. Harvard doesn't so much build future leaders, they select potential future leaders and grades are more a gate for the masses than a criteria. Even if one was to buy the premises that Harvard's biology is 10% better than UMDs same class (arguable). One gets 1000% more out of Harvard's class. Showing you completed Harvard's tells the world you were some combo of rich, clever or connected enough to get to Harvard. Completing UMDs shows you complete stuff on time, have a manageable credit score and aren't a total Drunk. That the privilege of affluence, keep arguing about the merits of Biology

Actually, based on my experience working with Harvard grads, I have a strong aversion to them as job candidates.

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Anonymous wrote:And the reason Whitman doesn't need a program is because they already have:
- their own engineering program
- Numerous advanced science classes including 3 different AP physics classes
- advanced math up to MVC (no I am not the MVC poster but just cataloguing what Whitman has, and one of those things is MVC)
- 9 AP social studies classes

So no, they won't be sending their kids to Einstein for biomedical science, gmafb. The kids will be traveling one way in this model.

Whitman also offers the most foreign languages out of all MCPS highschools despite its size. They offer ASL, French, Latin, Arabic, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese.

Why do they offer different foreign languages at different schools? This seems very unfair to me. I would like these offered at Einstein!

different schools have different student populations and needs. this is public school.

Yeah it’s public school. How is it a “different needs” thing? Or anything to do with the school population. Even if it’s based on student interest, how do they determine it? I have a kid in 10th grade, and I don’t recall him ever being surveyed on what foreign language/s he would like to study. I’ve certainly never been asked what languages I would like to see offered at the school.

as a basic example, different schools have different percentages of kids at or below grade level, which leads to more sections of classes at specific levels. this leads to having fewer resources at the school level for more advanced classes. i am not specifically talking about einstein, here, just a general example of why not all schools offer the same material. i mean, there isn't Middle College at every school, nor is there CTE....

Whatever. Just seems pretty unfair if Whitman offers 8 foreign languages (based on prior post) and Einstein offers 3 based on their website.

What did you think the differences would be between the richest population HS and one of the poorest? Honestly or did you kid your self that there was no difference and all those fools were simply overpaying for their homes? I mean deep down you knew the difference which is why you don't live in an even worse area right. The worst school in DC vs Wilson, you logically know they are completely different places even though they are the same system right? But you're shocked a HS with no measurable FARMS has perks compared to one with a number that hovers around 2/3rds on or have received FARMS. Lying to the world makes you a jerk, lying to yourself makes you a fool.

DP how many times do you need to post this garbage to justify to yourself paying a premium for your house zoned for a school where at best, 1 out of 5 White students are not even proficient in math?

Blah blah blah, Im not the one whining about how much worse my school is going to get when a handful of actual students flee for various new programs which you and I both know they will gladly do for obvious reasons. I even get why you are upset as the cupboard is pretty bare to begin with there.

As to the math issue, maybe they are burned out from all those electives like Chinese. Who cares, I suspect a plain avg & bad at math kid from Whitman turns out way more successful than 99% of Einstein. Your middle class insecurities are showing and I suspect that is what drives your fear which causes you to over value school, actual academics are barely a top 5 influence of outcome. A prerequisite for some paths sure but how many broke-ish highly educated middle class people do you know, I know a ton. Wealthy neighborhoods and schools aren't accelerators they are indications the participants are already ahead of you and a reminder you're not likely to catch up. But rest sound as there is always a richer school, Whitman is still only a public and lots of privates consider the chasm between it and them even greater than the one between Whitman and your community. Just as I am sure in certain circle you have been thankful youre not in PG and so on.

Schools don't teach or build affluence, parents do. And if you were really capable of teaching it one must question why you aren't living it. Your kid's outcome is already written + or - 20% regardless of what classes they take at this point based on where you started them in the race. Harvard doesn't so much build future leaders, they select potential future leaders and grades are more a gate for the masses than a criteria. Even if one was to buy the premises that Harvard's biology is 10% better than UMDs same class (arguable). One gets 1000% more out of Harvard's class. Showing you completed Harvard's tells the world you were some combo of rich, clever or connected enough to get to Harvard. Completing UMDs shows you complete stuff on time, have a manageable credit score and aren't a total Drunk. That the privilege of affluence, keep arguing about the merits of Biology

A smart kid at Einstein is not comparable to an average kid at Whitman. An average kid takes honors classes and maybe Algebra 2 or precalculus. Einstein has kids taking Calc AB and BC and a few who take MVC and Linear Algebra or other options. So, you really want to tell me that the average student at Whitman is taking BC, MVC and Linear Algebra? The only difference is post BC, students go to MC or another HS.

Classes are as good as their teachers. You can have a great teacher at Einstein and a bad one at Whitman or vice versa and the students with the good teacher will be more successful.

Can you tell me what the difference is between a million-dollar house in Whitman vs. Einstein?

Some kids at Einstein are in the same private programs - YYA, PVYO, MCYO, Jazz Ensembles, private tutoring, group tutoring, sports (the same teams your kids are on if they are in sports), etc.

The difference is some of us don't stretch with our houses so we don't have to worry about paying for things like college and graduate school.

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Anonymous wrote:On the boundaries options, it seems like Option B is the best for both the Einstein and Northwood zones. Option C has a large decrease in enrollment for Einstein, and Options A and D leave Northwood at only 85% utilization, which I think doesn't make sense from an ROI perspective on a brand-new building.

Also Option B would put Blair at 91% utilization, leaving room for its popular magnets. The other options have it at over 100% utilization with just resident students.

For performing arts, I think I agree with the consensus in keeping performing arts at Einstein and putting the humanities magnet at Northwood.

And waste a brand new auditorium with professional lighting and sound? That's using resources well.

How is having a humanities program wasting that?

Northwood is BUILDING from scratch.

Northwood has 4 academies relating to the humanities. So Northwood isn’t building from scratch. They already have a foundation and it makes sense to put it there.

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Anonymous wrote:On the boundaries options, it seems like Option B is the best for both the Einstein and Northwood zones. Option C has a large decrease in enrollment for Einstein, and Options A and D leave Northwood at only 85% utilization, which I think doesn't make sense from an ROI perspective on a brand-new building.


Also Option B would put Blair at 91% utilization, leaving room for its popular magnets. The other options have it at over 100% utilization with just resident students.

For performing arts, I think I agree with the consensus in keeping performing arts at Einstein and putting the humanities magnet at Northwood.

And waste a brand new auditorium with professional lighting and sound? That's using resources well.

How is having a humanities program wasting that?

Northwood is BUILDING from scratch.

Northwood has 4 academies relating to the humanities. So Northwood isn’t building from scratch. They already have a foundation and it makes sense to put it there.

Then why aren’t they getting the humanities program??

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Anonymous wrote:And the reason Whitman doesn't need a program is because they already have:
- their own engineering program
- Numerous advanced science classes including 3 different AP physics classes
- advanced math up to MVC (no I am not the MVC poster but just cataloguing what Whitman has, and one of those things is MVC)
- 9 AP social studies classes

So no, they won't be sending their kids to Einstein for biomedical science, gmafb. The kids will be traveling one way in this model.

Whitman also offers the most foreign languages out of all MCPS highschools despite its size. They offer ASL, French, Latin, Arabic, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese.

Why do they offer different foreign languages at different schools? This seems very unfair to me. I would like these offered at Einstein!

different schools have different student populations and needs. this is public school.

Yeah it’s public school. How is it a “different needs” thing? Or anything to do with the school population. Even if it’s based on student interest, how do they determine it? I have a kid in 10th grade, and I don’t recall him ever being surveyed on what foreign language/s he would like to study. I’ve certainly never been asked what languages I would like to see offered at the school.

as a basic example, different schools have different percentages of kids at or below grade level, which leads to more sections of classes at specific levels. this leads to having fewer resources at the school level for more advanced classes. i am not specifically talking about einstein, here, just a general example of why not all schools offer the same material. i mean, there isn't Middle College at every school, nor is there CTE....

Whatever. Just seems pretty unfair if Whitman offers 8 foreign languages (based on prior post) and Einstein offers 3 based on their website.

What did you think the differences would be between the richest population HS and one of the poorest? Honestly or did you kid your self that there was no difference and all those fools were simply overpaying for their homes? I mean deep down you knew the difference which is why you don't live in an even worse area right. The worst school in DC vs Wilson, you logically know they are completely different places even though they are the same system right? But you're shocked a HS with no measurable FARMS has perks compared to one with a number that hovers around 2/3rds on or have received FARMS. Lying to the world makes you a jerk, lying to yourself makes you a fool.

Eww