Hating donut hole life: athletic recruiting version

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Anonymous wrote:How can you say that being an athlete is an 'unearned hook' - like legacy. Do you know how hard those athletes work? You might not like that it's a priority but they 'earn it'

It is nothing like high school newspaper (although I agree w the pp who noted the difference around college newspapers - that's a full time job).

I was puzzled by the whole athletic thing when I was at my HYP - and why the university cared so much. Now all these years later, I get it. The athletes are pretty darn successful and they are loyal alums. Turns out that extra 100 points on the SAT doesn't translate to success.

I hire on wall street. Always happy to have people who have done things like athletics or run a college paper - they are good team players, hard workers etc. Don't knock it.

Sure, they work hard (although most sports virtually require a certain socio-economic background). What I find more interesting is your admission that intellect isn’t that important on Wall Street.

I thought that was well known. being a glutton for long hours, irregular schedule, fitting in culturally (for front office jobs), being “clubbable” matters more than pure intellect. The smartest kids go into tech, sciences, pursue PhDs, academia. Smarts does not auto equal money or pursuing money. Actually I would
say being too smart is an impediment to success in business.

Being too smart is an impediment to success in just about anything.

Not, in my experience, academia. Being 'too smart' is not at all an impediment. There is no such thing as 'too smart'. The problem is that super smart often (but by no means always) correlates with other, real impediments: autism, communication problems/ low EQ, social issues, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:How can you say that being an athlete is an 'unearned hook' - like legacy. Do you know how hard those athletes work? You might not like that it's a priority but they 'earn it'

It is nothing like high school newspaper (although I agree w the pp who noted the difference around college newspapers - that's a full time job).

I was puzzled by the whole athletic thing when I was at my HYP - and why the university cared so much. Now all these years later, I get it. The athletes are pretty darn successful and they are loyal alums. Turns out that extra 100 points on the SAT doesn't translate to success.

I hire on wall street. Always happy to have people who have done things like athletics or run a college paper - they are good team players, hard workers etc. Don't knock it.

Sure, they work hard (although most sports virtually require a certain socio-economic background). What I find more interesting is your admission that intellect isn’t that important on Wall Street.

I thought that was well known. being a glutton for long hours, irregular schedule, fitting in culturally (for front office jobs), being “clubbable” matters more than pure intellect. The smartest kids go into tech, sciences, pursue PhDs, academia. Smarts does not auto equal money or pursuing money. Actually I would
say being too smart is an impediment to success in business.

Being too smart is an impediment to success in just about anything.

Not, in my experience, academia. Being 'too smart' is not at all an impediment. There is no such thing as 'too smart'. The problem is that super smart often (but by no means always) correlates with other, real impediments: autism, communication problems/ low EQ, social issues, etc.

Most academics are grinders. It takes a particular (often conformist), hardworking personality willing to put up with 7 years of supervision and “learning the field.” Most very smart, creative folks (and I am not talking about those on the spectrum) find that too stifling.
The difference is that academics — unlike Wall Streeters — do think they are more intelligent than they are, and many have never really worked outside of the academe.

[Anonymous]

Wow I can't imagine working hard for 4+ years to have to play D3 sports at a college on my own dime.

I was D1 and didn't have to pay for college. That is what my two kids are planning to do! D3 is a sad middle place where you still have to do all the work with none of the perks or benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow I can't imagine working hard for 4+ years to have to play D3 sports at a college on my own dime.

I was D1 and didn't have to pay for college. That is what my two kids are planning to do! D3 is a sad middle place where you still have to do all the work with none of the perks or benefits.

You, like many PPs on this thread, are a sad, middle person.

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Anonymous wrote:So can I read this threat to believe that if I have a kid who is smart enough to get into a SLAC on academics, is a decent varsity athlete (certainly not a D1 recruit), and we are full pay, they have a chance at making the team?

Depends on the SLAC and the sport. I don’t think Williams and Amherst is in the cards for just decent. For track and XC, the Williams recruited athletes had D1 options if they wanted them.

true for about 2 kids per year at each school - those are the kids with D1 - Patriot League or Ivy - options

Every one of them could run D1 somewhere if they were more interested in D1 than
an academic experience.

the issue is that any kid who can get a slot at Williams or Amherst (full pay) is never passing that up for a 25% athletic scholarship to a Patriot league school. Too
much difference in the perceived value of the degrees - abother thread on that lol

You don’t understand most athletes. The vast majority want to compete at a D1 level and would take Lehigh over Williams and Amherst with zero $$$s.

Most kids have little interest in schools that small no matter what.

Mine turned down Lehigh and two other Patriot League schools for a NESCAC. There was not much money so they chose the better overall academics and experience. Decision might have been different for an Ivy.

I call BS on this one. If your kid is a legit Patriot League athlete then they could have also played at one of the Ivies and nobody is choosing D3 NESCAC over D1 Ivy.

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Anonymous wrote:So can I read this threat to believe that if I have a kid who is smart enough to get into a SLAC on academics, is a decent varsity athlete (certainly not a D1 recruit), and we are full pay, they have a chance at making the team?

Depends on the SLAC and the sport. I don’t think Williams and Amherst is in the cards for just decent. For track and XC, the Williams recruited athletes had D1 options if they wanted them.

true for about 2 kids per year at each school - those are the kids with D1 - Patriot League or Ivy - options

Every one of them could run D1 somewhere if they were more interested in D1 than
an academic experience.

the issue is that any kid who can get a slot at Williams or Amherst (full pay) is never passing that up for a 25% athletic scholarship to a Patriot league school. Too
much difference in the perceived value of the degrees - abother thread on that lol

You don’t understand most athletes. The vast majority want to compete at a D1 level and would take Lehigh over Williams and Amherst with zero $$$s.

Most kids have little interest in schools that small no matter what.

Mine turned down Lehigh and two other Patriot League schools for a NESCAC. There was not much money so they chose the better overall academics and experience. Decision might have been different for an Ivy.

I call BS on this one. If your kid is a legit Patriot League athlete then they could have also played at one of the Ivies and nobody is choosing D3 NESCAC over D1 Ivy.

It wasn’t a revenue sport as they said it wasn’t much money at the Patriot schools. Ivy teams are much better in lax, soccer, crew and many of the other sports. It’s very possible you are recruited Patriot but not Ivy.