Five weeks in. RTO is literally killing me!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:40 years ago kids were left with a nanny or became feral latch key kids.

Meh. My grandmas were fired when their pregnancies started to show. My one grandma was a senior leader who supervised 40 and she still got fired. They kept her on until 7 months pregnant because they needed her so much and she had to train the men who took over for her. None of my grandmas worked when they had kids because they couldn’t. If women had bad husbands (or alcoholics) who couldn’t provide for them- they just had to suffer with their kids. If women did work it was pink collar jobs like teachers and nurses. And they still had to take care of the kids and house completely too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:40 years ago kids were left with a nanny or became feral latch key kids.

Meh. My grandmas were fired when their pregnancies started to show. My one grandma was a senior leader who supervised 40 and she still got fired. They kept her on until 7 months pregnant because they needed her so much and she had to train the men who took over for her. None of my grandmas worked when they had kids because they couldn’t. If women had bad husbands (or alcoholics) who couldn’t provide for them- they just had to suffer with their kids. If women did work it was pink collar jobs like teachers and nurses. And they still had to take care of the kids and house completely too.

I don't have a dog in this fight. But 40 years ago was 1985. Plenty of women were working in corporate American (including my mom), and NOT in an administrative role. When you talk about the "olden days," that was a lot longer ago than 40 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:40 years ago kids were left with a nanny or became feral latch key kids.

Meh. My grandmas were fired when their pregnancies started to show. My one grandma was a senior leader who supervised 40 and she still got fired. They kept her on until 7 months pregnant because they needed her so much and she had to train the men who took over for her. None of my grandmas worked when they had kids because they couldn’t. If women had bad husbands (or alcoholics) who couldn’t provide for them- they just had to suffer with their kids. If women did work it was pink collar jobs like teachers and nurses. And they still had to take care of the kids and house completely too.

The point, which you have broadly missed, is that we have things better now and there isn't a reason to go back to the past.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do think office culture suffered during remote work and telework. But most of that is because of the government. My friends with remote work jobs still have off sites, in person meetings occasionally, holiday parties, team building. Fed gov can’t do any of that because they’re cheap AF. We used to have a potluck in our break room that still cost $5 to attend and had to be during your own lunch hour. (Bring a dish, cost $5, have to stay later at work to make up hours).

And when employees misbehaved, HR would tell managers “oh well! Try to make them work harder.”

I personally thought 50% in office (or 2 days in office, 3 days telework) worked out really well. We have quantitative numbers and that was when our work product was the highest. Currently we’ve lost so many staff members and my case load is through the roof. We can barely surface touch the amount of work I have because there’s just too much of it. When we can’t focus on discrete tasks (because we have 100 of them instead of 20), we can’t get the work done. I’ve asked management what I should do and what prioritize but they won’t let us prioritize anything. We’re supposed to still get it all done. Even working extra hours doesn’t make a dent in any of it.

Because govt workers dont work unpaid OT. So hard to catch up.

My kid who is a college graduate last week was real busy at work. She worked 65 hours. Most of her coworkers are 22-28 single and no kids. In person. No one goes home till work is all done. No Flex Time.

Kinda hard with old or middle aged old broken down people with kids and a working spouse with long commute working 9-5 to do that level of work.

Why start ups and big 4 hire young,

Life sucks and why companies don’t want to hire old people or women with kids. Not because they hate them, but the want someone available 24/7 when needed who can work 50-60 hours a week and don’t run up the medical bills

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:40 years ago kids were left with a nanny or became feral latch key kids.

Meh. My grandmas were fired when their pregnancies started to show. My one grandma was a senior leader who supervised 40 and she still got fired. They kept her on until 7 months pregnant because they needed her so much and she had to train the men who took over for her. None of my grandmas worked when they had kids because they couldn’t. If women had bad husbands (or alcoholics) who couldn’t provide for them- they just had to suffer with their kids. If women did work it was pink collar jobs like teachers and nurses. And they still had to take care of the kids and house completely too.

The point, which you have broadly missed, is that we have things better now and there isn't a reason to go back to the past.

This. Anyone on this thread giving us stories of what people endured 10, 20, 30 , 40 , 50, 60 years ago--Don't GAF. That is not a justification for making things worse. Why roll back progress. Better conditions for workers enhance productivity and make life better on every level. People who want others to suffer as they have or their parents have or whoever did in 19-whatever are jackass*s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do think office culture suffered during remote work and telework. But most of that is because of the government. My friends with remote work jobs still have off sites, in person meetings occasionally, holiday parties, team building. Fed gov can’t do any of that because they’re cheap AF. We used to have a potluck in our break room that still cost $5 to attend and had to be during your own lunch hour. (Bring a dish, cost $5, have to stay later at work to make up hours).

And when employees misbehaved, HR would tell managers “oh well! Try to make them work harder.”

I personally thought 50% in office (or 2 days in office, 3 days telework) worked out really well. We have quantitative numbers and that was when our work product was the highest. Currently we’ve lost so many staff members and my case load is through the roof. We can barely surface touch the amount of work I have because there’s just too much of it. When we can’t focus on discrete tasks (because we have 100 of them instead of 20), we can’t get the work done. I’ve asked management what I should do and what prioritize but they won’t let us prioritize anything. We’re supposed to still get it all done. Even working extra hours doesn’t make a dent in any of it.

Because govt workers dont work unpaid OT. So hard to catch up.

My kid who is a college graduate last week was real busy at work. She worked 65 hours. Most of her coworkers are 22-28 single and no kids. In person. No one goes home till work is all done. No Flex Time.

Kinda hard with old or middle aged old broken down people with kids and a working spouse with long commute working 9-5 to do that level of work.

Why start ups and big 4 hire young,

Life sucks and why companies don’t want to hire old people or women with kids. Not because they hate them, but the want someone available 24/7 when needed who can work 50-60 hours a week and don’t run up the medical bills

This attitude is crappy. Those start ups mostly fail. And that's not a life. You people have f-d up priorities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do think office culture suffered during remote work and telework. But most of that is because of the government. My friends with remote work jobs still have off sites, in person meetings occasionally, holiday parties, team building. Fed gov can’t do any of that because they’re cheap AF. We used to have a potluck in our break room that still cost $5 to attend and had to be during your own lunch hour. (Bring a dish, cost $5, have to stay later at work to make up hours).

And when employees misbehaved, HR would tell managers “oh well! Try to make them work harder.”

I personally thought 50% in office (or 2 days in office, 3 days telework) worked out really well. We have quantitative numbers and that was when our work product was the highest. Currently we’ve lost so many staff members and my case load is through the roof. We can barely surface touch the amount of work I have because there’s just too much of it. When we can’t focus on discrete tasks (because we have 100 of them instead of 20), we can’t get the work done. I’ve asked management what I should do and what prioritize but they won’t let us prioritize anything. We’re supposed to still get it all done. Even working extra hours doesn’t make a dent in any of it.

Because govt workers dont work unpaid OT. So hard to catch up.

My kid who is a college graduate last week was real busy at work. She worked 65 hours. Most of her coworkers are 22-28 single and no kids. In person. No one goes home till work is all done. No Flex Time.

Kinda hard with old or middle aged old broken down people with kids and a working spouse with long commute working 9-5 to do that level of work.

Why start ups and big 4 hire young,

Life sucks and why companies don’t want to hire old people or women with kids. Not because they hate them, but the want someone available 24/7 when needed who can work 50-60 hours a week and don’t run up the medical bills

No one should be working unpaid overtime. I’m actually a conservative, but I firmly side with the liberals on this one. If a job requires extra hours they should pay you more or they should hire more people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do think office culture suffered during remote work and telework. But most of that is because of the government. My friends with remote work jobs still have off sites, in person meetings occasionally, holiday parties, team building. Fed gov can’t do any of that because they’re cheap AF. We used to have a potluck in our break room that still cost $5 to attend and had to be during your own lunch hour. (Bring a dish, cost $5, have to stay later at work to make up hours).

And when employees misbehaved, HR would tell managers “oh well! Try to make them work harder.”

I personally thought 50% in office (or 2 days in office, 3 days telework) worked out really well. We have quantitative numbers and that was when our work product was the highest. Currently we’ve lost so many staff members and my case load is through the roof. We can barely surface touch the amount of work I have because there’s just too much of it. When we can’t focus on discrete tasks (because we have 100 of them instead of 20), we can’t get the work done. I’ve asked management what I should do and what prioritize but they won’t let us prioritize anything. We’re supposed to still get it all done. Even working extra hours doesn’t make a dent in any of it.

Because govt workers dont work unpaid OT. So hard to catch up.

My kid who is a college graduate last week was real busy at work. She worked 65 hours. Most of her coworkers are 22-28 single and no kids. In person. No one goes home till work is all done. No Flex Time.

Kinda hard with old or middle aged old broken down people with kids and a working spouse with long commute working 9-5 to do that level of work.

Why start ups and big 4 hire young,

Life sucks and why companies don’t want to hire old people or women with kids. Not because they hate them, but the want someone available 24/7 when needed who can work 50-60 hours a week and don’t run up the medical bills

No one should be working unpaid overtime. I’m actually a conservative, but I firmly side with the liberals on this one. If a job requires extra hours they should pay you more or they should hire more people.

No one makes dedicated workers work OT they just do it. They care.

[Anonymous]

I'm not going to read 21 pages on this, but FFS, the whining is out of control. Think of doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters, grocery workers, construction workers, and the list goes on.

But poor, poor little you. Your life is so hard, having to go in to an office every day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to read 21 pages on this, but FFS, the whining is out of control. Think of doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters, grocery workers, construction workers, and the list goes on.

But poor, poor little you. Your life is so hard, having to go in to an office every day.

You won't read it, but you'll make a dumbass comment. SDASU loser.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so pissed every day that we can’t strike. A good strike would fix all of this. Americans have no idea how much feds touch their every day life. They eliminated our unions, we should have the ability to strike.

So what's stopping you? Do it.

The law dumba*ss

So if "the law" says you must report to zeee concentration camps, you will follow "the law"?

NP. It's a felony for feds to strike and if they do it they won't be eligible for their jobs anymore, dummy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to read 21 pages on this, but FFS, the whining is out of control. Think of doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters, grocery workers, construction workers, and the list goes on.

But poor, poor little you. Your life is so hard, having to go in to an office every day.

OK, PP. Those police officers, firefighters, and other workers presumably chose those jobs. Not everyone wants to work at a desk. That’s a good thing obviously, because our society needs all different roles filled in order to function. You know what else? The public was also safer when there weren’t so many cars out on the road every day. Fewer accidents to respond to and police officers, firefighters, and EMTs able to more quickly get to accidents and injured people.

My first job after college paid 28k and I never knew what my weekly schedule was going to be until the Friday before. Sometimes it started at 9am, went to 3pm then I had a 3 hour break and worked at another site 6-9pm. Then it was randomly different the next day. Whatever, I was young, just happy to have a job and be paying back my student loans.

My next job paid 28k and was in a call center 10:30am-7pm. The next one was 35k call center 8-4:30. Next one accounting office 46k 8-4:30. And so on and so forth. The point I am getting at is that in general, we work towards bettering ourselves and our skills in order to have better pay and work conditions. For some people, that can mean eventually working remotely after proving oneself responsible and hardworking, and to have that yanked back for no good reason other than for us to be made miserable is not merely an inconvenience.

Even though his parents are both white collar desk workers, my own son does not want to be a “laptop worker” instead he wants to be a physical therapist or sports trainer. So don’t worry, even the next generation has plenty of people who don’t want to work at a computer all day whether it’s at home or in an office.

And for those workers whose jobs require being at a physical location, their in person presence actually fulfills a purpose, as opposed to a desk worker being randomly assigned a closet to work in while the rest of their team works from other random rooms and locations hundreds of miles away. What’s the point? It’s depressing as f***.

Oh and I am posting this at 4:55 AM, because of insomnia related to IBS and psoriasis flares that just happened to appear within days/weeks of RTO and having to commute to an office 47 miles away after accepting a fully remote position.

Really, PP, just stop talking if you know so little.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to read 21 pages on this, but FFS, the whining is out of control. Think of doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters, grocery workers, construction workers, and the list goes on.

But poor, poor little you. Your life is so hard, having to go in to an office every day.

OK, PP. Those police officers, firefighters, and other workers presumably chose those jobs. Not everyone wants to work at a desk. That’s a good thing obviously, because our society needs all different roles filled in order to function. You know what else? The public was also safer when there weren’t so many cars out on the road every day. Fewer accidents to respond to and police officers, firefighters, and EMTs able to more quickly get to accidents and injured people.

My first job after college paid 28k and I never knew what my weekly schedule was going to be until the Friday before. Sometimes it started at 9am, went to 3pm then I had a 3 hour break and worked at another site 6-9pm. Then it was randomly different the next day. Whatever, I was young, just happy to have a job and be paying back my student loans.

My next job paid 28k and was in a call center 10:30am-7pm. The next one was 35k call center 8-4:30. Next one accounting office 46k 8-4:30. And so on and so forth. The point I am getting at is that in general, we work towards bettering ourselves and our skills in order to have better pay and work conditions. For some people, that can mean eventually working remotely after proving oneself responsible and hardworking, and to have that yanked back for no good reason other than for us to be made miserable is not merely an inconvenience.

Even though his parents are both white collar desk workers, my own son does not want to be a “laptop worker” instead he wants to be a physical therapist or sports trainer. So don’t worry, even the next generation has plenty of people who don’t want to work at a computer all day whether it’s at home or in an office.

And for those workers whose jobs require being at a physical location, their in person presence actually fulfills a purpose, as opposed to a desk worker being randomly assigned a closet to work in while the rest of their team works from other random rooms and locations hundreds of miles away. What’s the point? It’s depressing as f***.

Oh and I am posting this at 4:55 AM, because of insomnia related to IBS and psoriasis flares that just happened to appear within days/weeks of RTO and having to commute to an office 47 miles away after accepting a fully remote position.

Really, PP, just stop talking if you know so little.

DP.

I suspect that poster is simply saying we all have it rough. You have challenges. So do we all. I’m also up all night for my own work-related reasons (not a fed).

It doesn’t have to be a competition of who has it worse. It can generally stink all around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to read 21 pages on this, but FFS, the whining is out of control. Think of doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters, grocery workers, construction workers, and the list goes on.

But poor, poor little you. Your life is so hard, having to go in to an office every day.

OK, PP. Those police officers, firefighters, and other workers presumably chose those jobs. Not everyone wants to work at a desk. That’s a good thing obviously, because our society needs all different roles filled in order to function. You know what else? The public was also safer when there weren’t so many cars out on the road every day. Fewer accidents to respond to and police officers, firefighters, and EMTs able to more quickly get to accidents and injured people.

My first job after college paid 28k and I never knew what my weekly schedule was going to be until the Friday before. Sometimes it started at 9am, went to 3pm then I had a 3 hour break and worked at another site 6-9pm. Then it was randomly different the next day. Whatever, I was young, just happy to have a job and be paying back my student loans.

My next job paid 28k and was in a call center 10:30am-7pm. The next one was 35k call center 8-4:30. Next one accounting office 46k 8-4:30. And so on and so forth. The point I am getting at is that in general, we work towards bettering ourselves and our skills in order to have better pay and work conditions. For some people, that can mean eventually working remotely after proving oneself responsible and hardworking, and to have that yanked back for no good reason other than for us to be made miserable is not merely an inconvenience.

Even though his parents are both white collar desk workers, my own son does not want to be a “laptop worker” instead he wants to be a physical therapist or sports trainer. So don’t worry, even the next generation has plenty of people who don’t want to work at a computer all day whether it’s at home or in an office.

And for those workers whose jobs require being at a physical location, their in person presence actually fulfills a purpose, as opposed to a desk worker being randomly assigned a closet to work in while the rest of their team works from other random rooms and locations hundreds of miles away. What’s the point? It’s depressing as f***.

Oh and I am posting this at 4:55 AM, because of insomnia related to IBS and psoriasis flares that just happened to appear within days/weeks of RTO and having to commute to an office 47 miles away after accepting a fully remote position.

Really, PP, just stop talking if you know so little.

DP.

I suspect that poster is simply saying we all have it rough. You have challenges. So do we all. I’m also up all night for my own work-related reasons (not a fed).

It doesn’t have to be a competition of who has it worse. It can generally stink all around.

NP. Yes we all have our challenges. Some are inherent to the job, like firefighting and nursing are just tough jobs in general with brutal schedules. Some challenges are inherent to imperfect human nature. We all can have sucky bosses or colleagues that make the job more miserable than it should be.

Feds are complaining because the new "challenges" imposed are totally arbitrary and done for the purpose of pissing us off personally and destroying the functionality of our jobs. This is a whole new dimension. Imagine if your boss just random decided that to stay employed this week, you must wear pink everyday, and next week you must greet everyone with a smile and audible hi. And also you need to spend 2 minutes jumping up and down on one foot. And oh you need to write a letter and get a doc note for every sick day you take. This is the sh*t we are talking about. The RTO in itself is arbitrary and stupid, but it is combined with countless other stupid policies that often make no sense, make being in the office miserable, and just makes everyone on edge and distracted the actual work that needs to get done.

[Anonymous]

NJ Transit is on strike today for most trains. All the workers in NJ who work at Goldman and JP Morgan have to go to work today. No remote BS cause a little train strike.

Pretty simple, carpool, drive to path train. stay over someone's house in NYC, rent a hotel, drive other location where train is running.

Is it really hard. My brother in law lives in NJ and works in NYC, his Mom lives on Long Island near LIRR that is running to city. He just drove there last night and stayed over and took LIRR to work. Is it really hard.