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Anonymous wrote:It is starting to be more than a handful at EH recently. EH also offers math and ELA acceleration. Similar story at SH. People with bright kids do sometimes turn down Basis to instead just try these schools. It is somewhat hard to believe unless you have a child there or you have otherwise recently taken a hard look at these schools.

As has been discussed on here on many threads, the nuance that is missed in many of these broad sweeping conversations about good/bad schools is the huge achievement gaps that are important to understand when looking at the city to understand the big picture. But when the schools scores are lumped together and an average score is presented, IMO it at the very least makes it harder to understand what is really happening at a school. Many people on these threads talk about the importance of having a cohort of peers achieving at higher levels, which many of these middle schools do. Ideally everybody at a school would be achieving at higher levels, but we have a long ways to go to reaching that and is worth of a whole separate discussion about how we can get there as a city.

If you look at sub groups at some of these schools being discussed (SH or EH for example) you will see they match or outperform their peers in the same subgroups across the city. As a parent who has a now 7th grader at one of those schools, I can say that there are assignments and teachers that push them, and options for more advanced courses. I also know there are kids who cannot or choose not to complete the assignments at the same level, but I know that in each of my child's classes there are a large number of kids who are doing the work, getting pushed to think one step further, doing well on class and standardized tests, etc. And for those who are thinking about the high school long game, kids from these schools get into SWW, Banneker, McKinley, privates, and increasingly the EPIC program at Eastern (TBD how much traction that picks up)

All that to say, there are options for academically advanced kids at more than just a handful of schools in this city, and there are many families at these schools by choice (in addition to the ones there b/c they didn't win a lottery a few years ago).

I totally believe you about the middle schools. But the selective admissions high schools are so random in terms of who they let in, it's not something to count on. So the middle school decision is at least partly about, if you don't get in, are you comfortable with Eastern or are you able to pay for private school?

The selective high schools are NOT that random. Only Walls is. If your kid (on grade level) could be happy at Banneker or McKinley or Walls, you will get a spot at one of the 3.

Less than 1/5th of SH students go to Eastern every year, so going there as a high performing student does not actually require you to be comfortable with Eastern. Banneker? Duke? McKinley? Yes. Eastern? No. Most years more kids opt for private or moving out of DC than Eastern.

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Anonymous wrote:It is starting to be more than a handful at EH recently. EH also offers math and ELA acceleration. Similar story at SH. People with bright kids do sometimes turn down Basis to instead just try these schools. It is somewhat hard to believe unless you have a child there or you have otherwise recently taken a hard look at these schools.

As has been discussed on here on many threads, the nuance that is missed in many of these broad sweeping conversations about good/bad schools is the huge achievement gaps that are important to understand when looking at the city to understand the big picture. But when the schools scores are lumped together and an average score is presented, IMO it at the very least makes it harder to understand what is really happening at a school. Many people on these threads talk about the importance of having a cohort of peers achieving at higher levels, which many of these middle schools do. Ideally everybody at a school would be achieving at higher levels, but we have a long ways to go to reaching that and is worth of a whole separate discussion about how we can get there as a city.

If you look at sub groups at some of these schools being discussed (SH or EH for example) you will see they match or outperform their peers in the same subgroups across the city. As a parent who has a now 7th grader at one of those schools, I can say that there are assignments and teachers that push them, and options for more advanced courses. I also know there are kids who cannot or choose not to complete the assignments at the same level, but I know that in each of my child's classes there are a large number of kids who are doing the work, getting pushed to think one step further, doing well on class and standardized tests, etc. And for those who are thinking about the high school long game, kids from these schools get into SWW, Banneker, McKinley, privates, and increasingly the EPIC program at Eastern (TBD how much traction that picks up)

All that to say, there are options for academically advanced kids at more than just a handful of schools in this city, and there are many families at these schools by choice (in addition to the ones there b/c they didn't win a lottery a few years ago).

I totally believe you about the middle schools. But the selective admissions high schools are so random in terms of who they let in, it's not something to count on. So the middle school decision is at least partly about, if you don't get in, are you comfortable with Eastern or are you able to pay for private school?

The selective high schools are NOT that random. Only Walls is. If your kid (on grade level) could be happy at Banneker or McKinley or Walls, you will get a spot at one of the 3.

They have very similar admissions process. None of them look at whether you are on grade level. You could strike out at all three.

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Anonymous wrote:It is starting to be more than a handful at EH recently. EH also offers math and ELA acceleration. Similar story at SH. People with bright kids do sometimes turn down Basis to instead just try these schools. It is somewhat hard to believe unless you have a child there or you have otherwise recently taken a hard look at these schools.

As has been discussed on here on many threads, the nuance that is missed in many of these broad sweeping conversations about good/bad schools is the huge achievement gaps that are important to understand when looking at the city to understand the big picture. But when the schools scores are lumped together and an average score is presented, IMO it at the very least makes it harder to understand what is really happening at a school. Many people on these threads talk about the importance of having a cohort of peers achieving at higher levels, which many of these middle schools do. Ideally everybody at a school would be achieving at higher levels, but we have a long ways to go to reaching that and is worth of a whole separate discussion about how we can get there as a city.

If you look at sub groups at some of these schools being discussed (SH or EH for example) you will see they match or outperform their peers in the same subgroups across the city. As a parent who has a now 7th grader at one of those schools, I can say that there are assignments and teachers that push them, and options for more advanced courses. I also know there are kids who cannot or choose not to complete the assignments at the same level, but I know that in each of my child's classes there are a large number of kids who are doing the work, getting pushed to think one step further, doing well on class and standardized tests, etc. And for those who are thinking about the high school long game, kids from these schools get into SWW, Banneker, McKinley, privates, and increasingly the EPIC program at Eastern (TBD how much traction that picks up)

All that to say, there are options for academically advanced kids at more than just a handful of schools in this city, and there are many families at these schools by choice (in addition to the ones there b/c they didn't win a lottery a few years ago).

I totally believe you about the middle schools. But the selective admissions high schools are so random in terms of who they let in, it's not something to count on. So the middle school decision is at least partly about, if you don't get in, are you comfortable with Eastern or are you able to pay for private school?

The selective high schools are NOT that random. Only Walls is. If your kid (on grade level) could be happy at Banneker or McKinley or Walls, you will get a spot at one of the 3.

Less than 1/5th of SH students go to Eastern every year, so going there as a high performing student does not actually require you to be comfortable with Eastern. Banneker? Duke? McKinley? Yes. Eastern? No. Most years more kids opt for private or moving out of DC than Eastern.

So the kids who go to SH are either ok with Eastern or prepared to go to private school or move.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this true for PK at CHML too?

No, PK is great! It’s the only part of the school that’s actually Montessori accredited.

Yes, because it is MONTESSORI!!!! It is designed for ECE. The idea that children and preteens should get to pick what and how they learn is stupidity.

It is so poorly implemented at CHML too. The students have no idea how a "normal" classroom should look and function. They don't have the attention spans to sit through any kind of direct instruction, they think they can do whatever they want, and therefore, struggle when they get to high school and are expected to function in a regular classroom setting. The 4th-5th grade classrooms are full of behavior problems and this is known as many parents opt to pull their kids out after 3rd grade. Montessori can work but only highly motivated and independent students can succeed and CHML is full of kids who were kicked out of their DCPS school/charters/etc. It just does not work.

I don’t believe either of you truly are Momtessorians and would be able to speak to the validity of your responses. Montessori was NOT designed for ECE. It is a philosophy that can be applied at any plane of development. Montessori began working on her design of the Secondary space, but she unfortunately passed away before it was completed.

CHML does not actually do Montessori beyond the primary grade band. Any issues that exist in 1st grade and beyond can not be blamed on Montessori because they aren’t even following what they would need to do to be accredited.

Yes! Much love for The Montessori pedagogy. I refrained myself from responding because.. when someone invokes words such as “stupidity” is not worth the trouble. It is so deeply unfortunate how many people judge a pedagogy without doing the slightest research or a deep dive and choose to look at the surface level indicators to judge.

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Anonymous wrote:It is starting to be more than a handful at EH recently. EH also offers math and ELA acceleration. Similar story at SH. People with bright kids do sometimes turn down Basis to instead just try these schools. It is somewhat hard to believe unless you have a child there or you have otherwise recently taken a hard look at these schools.

As has been discussed on here on many threads, the nuance that is missed in many of these broad sweeping conversations about good/bad schools is the huge achievement gaps that are important to understand when looking at the city to understand the big picture. But when the schools scores are lumped together and an average score is presented, IMO it at the very least makes it harder to understand what is really happening at a school. Many people on these threads talk about the importance of having a cohort of peers achieving at higher levels, which many of these middle schools do. Ideally everybody at a school would be achieving at higher levels, but we have a long ways to go to reaching that and is worth of a whole separate discussion about how we can get there as a city.

If you look at sub groups at some of these schools being discussed (SH or EH for example) you will see they match or outperform their peers in the same subgroups across the city. As a parent who has a now 7th grader at one of those schools, I can say that there are assignments and teachers that push them, and options for more advanced courses. I also know there are kids who cannot or choose not to complete the assignments at the same level, but I know that in each of my child's classes there are a large number of kids who are doing the work, getting pushed to think one step further, doing well on class and standardized tests, etc. And for those who are thinking about the high school long game, kids from these schools get into SWW, Banneker, McKinley, privates, and increasingly the EPIC program at Eastern (TBD how much traction that picks up)

All that to say, there are options for academically advanced kids at more than just a handful of schools in this city, and there are many families at these schools by choice (in addition to the ones there b/c they didn't win a lottery a few years ago).

I totally believe you about the middle schools. But the selective admissions high schools are so random in terms of who they let in, it's not something to count on. So the middle school decision is at least partly about, if you don't get in, are you comfortable with Eastern or are you able to pay for private school?

The selective high schools are NOT that random. Only Walls is. If your kid (on grade level) could be happy at Banneker or McKinley or Walls, you will get a spot at one of the 3.

They have very similar admissions process. None of them look at whether you are on grade level. You could strike out at all three.

Look, I’ve been though the high school process with two kids in the past couple years and watched where their friends applied and matched. If your kid has a 3.0 and does the admission process, they will get a slot at Banneker, McKinley, or Walls. I agree with you that the process descriptions are similar, but the actual outcomes and the way the schools run them is different.

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Anonymous wrote:It is starting to be more than a handful at EH recently. EH also offers math and ELA acceleration. Similar story at SH. People with bright kids do sometimes turn down Basis to instead just try these schools. It is somewhat hard to believe unless you have a child there or you have otherwise recently taken a hard look at these schools.

As has been discussed on here on many threads, the nuance that is missed in many of these broad sweeping conversations about good/bad schools is the huge achievement gaps that are important to understand when looking at the city to understand the big picture. But when the schools scores are lumped together and an average score is presented, IMO it at the very least makes it harder to understand what is really happening at a school. Many people on these threads talk about the importance of having a cohort of peers achieving at higher levels, which many of these middle schools do. Ideally everybody at a school would be achieving at higher levels, but we have a long ways to go to reaching that and is worth of a whole separate discussion about how we can get there as a city.

If you look at sub groups at some of these schools being discussed (SH or EH for example) you will see they match or outperform their peers in the same subgroups across the city. As a parent who has a now 7th grader at one of those schools, I can say that there are assignments and teachers that push them, and options for more advanced courses. I also know there are kids who cannot or choose not to complete the assignments at the same level, but I know that in each of my child's classes there are a large number of kids who are doing the work, getting pushed to think one step further, doing well on class and standardized tests, etc. And for those who are thinking about the high school long game, kids from these schools get into SWW, Banneker, McKinley, privates, and increasingly the EPIC program at Eastern (TBD how much traction that picks up)

All that to say, there are options for academically advanced kids at more than just a handful of schools in this city, and there are many families at these schools by choice (in addition to the ones there b/c they didn't win a lottery a few years ago).

I totally believe you about the middle schools. But the selective admissions high schools are so random in terms of who they let in, it's not something to count on. So the middle school decision is at least partly about, if you don't get in, are you comfortable with Eastern or are you able to pay for private school?

The selective high schools are NOT that random. Only Walls is. If your kid (on grade level) could be happy at Banneker or McKinley or Walls, you will get a spot at one of the 3.

They have very similar admissions process. None of them look at whether you are on grade level. You could strike out at all three.

Look, I’ve been though the high school process with two kids in the past couple years and watched where their friends applied and matched. If your kid has a 3.0 and does the admission process, they will get a slot at Banneker, McKinley, or Walls. I agree with you that the process descriptions are similar, but the actual outcomes and the way the schools run them is different.

I want to think this is the case because it would help my kid a lot right now if we knew that, but there were parents who posted last year whose kids struck out. Also, how could they run them differently? There are a lot more kids with a 3.0 and who want admissions than there are slots.

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Anonymous wrote:It is starting to be more than a handful at EH recently. EH also offers math and ELA acceleration. Similar story at SH. People with bright kids do sometimes turn down Basis to instead just try these schools. It is somewhat hard to believe unless you have a child there or you have otherwise recently taken a hard look at these schools.

As has been discussed on here on many threads, the nuance that is missed in many of these broad sweeping conversations about good/bad schools is the huge achievement gaps that are important to understand when looking at the city to understand the big picture. But when the schools scores are lumped together and an average score is presented, IMO it at the very least makes it harder to understand what is really happening at a school. Many people on these threads talk about the importance of having a cohort of peers achieving at higher levels, which many of these middle schools do. Ideally everybody at a school would be achieving at higher levels, but we have a long ways to go to reaching that and is worth of a whole separate discussion about how we can get there as a city.

If you look at sub groups at some of these schools being discussed (SH or EH for example) you will see they match or outperform their peers in the same subgroups across the city. As a parent who has a now 7th grader at one of those schools, I can say that there are assignments and teachers that push them, and options for more advanced courses. I also know there are kids who cannot or choose not to complete the assignments at the same level, but I know that in each of my child's classes there are a large number of kids who are doing the work, getting pushed to think one step further, doing well on class and standardized tests, etc. And for those who are thinking about the high school long game, kids from these schools get into SWW, Banneker, McKinley, privates, and increasingly the EPIC program at Eastern (TBD how much traction that picks up)

All that to say, there are options for academically advanced kids at more than just a handful of schools in this city, and there are many families at these schools by choice (in addition to the ones there b/c they didn't win a lottery a few years ago).

I totally believe you about the middle schools. But the selective admissions high schools are so random in terms of who they let in, it's not something to count on. So the middle school decision is at least partly about, if you don't get in, are you comfortable with Eastern or are you able to pay for private school?

The selective high schools are NOT that random. Only Walls is. If your kid (on grade level) could be happy at Banneker or McKinley or Walls, you will get a spot at one of the 3.

Less than 1/5th of SH students go to Eastern every year, so going there as a high performing student does not actually require you to be comfortable with Eastern. Banneker? Duke? McKinley? Yes. Eastern? No. Most years more kids opt for private or moving out of DC than Eastern.

So the kids who go to SH are either ok with Eastern or prepared to go to private school or move.

Well, that or they have some confidence about getting into a selective high school. The way I look at it is, there are several possibilities. 1) DC1 gets into a selective high school. 2) DC1 has a good enough lottery number to get into Latin or DCI as a 9th grader (pretty unlikely, I know). 3) DC2 gets into Latin or DCI for 5th or 6th, pulling in DC1-- also not likely, but certainly possible. Private school and moving are options after those options don't work out.

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Anonymous wrote:It is starting to be more than a handful at EH recently. EH also offers math and ELA acceleration. Similar story at SH. People with bright kids do sometimes turn down Basis to instead just try these schools. It is somewhat hard to believe unless you have a child there or you have otherwise recently taken a hard look at these schools.

As has been discussed on here on many threads, the nuance that is missed in many of these broad sweeping conversations about good/bad schools is the huge achievement gaps that are important to understand when looking at the city to understand the big picture. But when the schools scores are lumped together and an average score is presented, IMO it at the very least makes it harder to understand what is really happening at a school. Many people on these threads talk about the importance of having a cohort of peers achieving at higher levels, which many of these middle schools do. Ideally everybody at a school would be achieving at higher levels, but we have a long ways to go to reaching that and is worth of a whole separate discussion about how we can get there as a city.

If you look at sub groups at some of these schools being discussed (SH or EH for example) you will see they match or outperform their peers in the same subgroups across the city. As a parent who has a now 7th grader at one of those schools, I can say that there are assignments and teachers that push them, and options for more advanced courses. I also know there are kids who cannot or choose not to complete the assignments at the same level, but I know that in each of my child's classes there are a large number of kids who are doing the work, getting pushed to think one step further, doing well on class and standardized tests, etc. And for those who are thinking about the high school long game, kids from these schools get into SWW, Banneker, McKinley, privates, and increasingly the EPIC program at Eastern (TBD how much traction that picks up)

All that to say, there are options for academically advanced kids at more than just a handful of schools in this city, and there are many families at these schools by choice (in addition to the ones there b/c they didn't win a lottery a few years ago).

I totally believe you about the middle schools. But the selective admissions high schools are so random in terms of who they let in, it's not something to count on. So the middle school decision is at least partly about, if you don't get in, are you comfortable with Eastern or are you able to pay for private school?

This is true about SWW, but if you add in Banneker and McKinley Tech, the chances of an excellent student not getting into any of the three are low.

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Anonymous wrote:It is starting to be more than a handful at EH recently. EH also offers math and ELA acceleration. Similar story at SH. People with bright kids do sometimes turn down Basis to instead just try these schools. It is somewhat hard to believe unless you have a child there or you have otherwise recently taken a hard look at these schools.

As has been discussed on here on many threads, the nuance that is missed in many of these broad sweeping conversations about good/bad schools is the huge achievement gaps that are important to understand when looking at the city to understand the big picture. But when the schools scores are lumped together and an average score is presented, IMO it at the very least makes it harder to understand what is really happening at a school. Many people on these threads talk about the importance of having a cohort of peers achieving at higher levels, which many of these middle schools do. Ideally everybody at a school would be achieving at higher levels, but we have a long ways to go to reaching that and is worth of a whole separate discussion about how we can get there as a city.

If you look at sub groups at some of these schools being discussed (SH or EH for example) you will see they match or outperform their peers in the same subgroups across the city. As a parent who has a now 7th grader at one of those schools, I can say that there are assignments and teachers that push them, and options for more advanced courses. I also know there are kids who cannot or choose not to complete the assignments at the same level, but I know that in each of my child's classes there are a large number of kids who are doing the work, getting pushed to think one step further, doing well on class and standardized tests, etc. And for those who are thinking about the high school long game, kids from these schools get into SWW, Banneker, McKinley, privates, and increasingly the EPIC program at Eastern (TBD how much traction that picks up)

All that to say, there are options for academically advanced kids at more than just a handful of schools in this city, and there are many families at these schools by choice (in addition to the ones there b/c they didn't win a lottery a few years ago).

I totally believe you about the middle schools. But the selective admissions high schools are so random in terms of who they let in, it's not something to count on. So the middle school decision is at least partly about, if you don't get in, are you comfortable with Eastern or are you able to pay for private school?

The selective high schools are NOT that random. Only Walls is. If your kid (on grade level) could be happy at Banneker or McKinley or Walls, you will get a spot at one of the 3.

They have very similar admissions process. None of them look at whether you are on grade level. You could strike out at all three.

Have you heard of any good students you know striking out at all three? I haven't. The only one I knew who "struck out" at the ones he applied to was in bounds for Jackson Reed. So, you know he had a good back up plan and was pickier as a result. The other factor is that if you can pay for Private if necessary, then things are truly not dire.

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Anonymous wrote:It is starting to be more than a handful at EH recently. EH also offers math and ELA acceleration. Similar story at SH. People with bright kids do sometimes turn down Basis to instead just try these schools. It is somewhat hard to believe unless you have a child there or you have otherwise recently taken a hard look at these schools.

As has been discussed on here on many threads, the nuance that is missed in many of these broad sweeping conversations about good/bad schools is the huge achievement gaps that are important to understand when looking at the city to understand the big picture. But when the schools scores are lumped together and an average score is presented, IMO it at the very least makes it harder to understand what is really happening at a school. Many people on these threads talk about the importance of having a cohort of peers achieving at higher levels, which many of these middle schools do. Ideally everybody at a school would be achieving at higher levels, but we have a long ways to go to reaching that and is worth of a whole separate discussion about how we can get there as a city.

If you look at sub groups at some of these schools being discussed (SH or EH for example) you will see they match or outperform their peers in the same subgroups across the city. As a parent who has a now 7th grader at one of those schools, I can say that there are assignments and teachers that push them, and options for more advanced courses. I also know there are kids who cannot or choose not to complete the assignments at the same level, but I know that in each of my child's classes there are a large number of kids who are doing the work, getting pushed to think one step further, doing well on class and standardized tests, etc. And for those who are thinking about the high school long game, kids from these schools get into SWW, Banneker, McKinley, privates, and increasingly the EPIC program at Eastern (TBD how much traction that picks up)

All that to say, there are options for academically advanced kids at more than just a handful of schools in this city, and there are many families at these schools by choice (in addition to the ones there b/c they didn't win a lottery a few years ago).

I totally believe you about the middle schools. But the selective admissions high schools are so random in terms of who they let in, it's not something to count on. So the middle school decision is at least partly about, if you don't get in, are you comfortable with Eastern or are you able to pay for private school?

The selective high schools are NOT that random. Only Walls is. If your kid (on grade level) could be happy at Banneker or McKinley or Walls, you will get a spot at one of the 3.

They have very similar admissions process. None of them look at whether you are on grade level. You could strike out at all three.

Look, I’ve been though the high school process with two kids in the past couple years and watched where their friends applied and matched. If your kid has a 3.0 and does the admission process, they will get a slot at Banneker, McKinley, or Walls. I agree with you that the process descriptions are similar, but the actual outcomes and the way the schools run them is different.

Having watched two classes of kids at a charter go through the process, I agree with this. If you add Ellington (all programs) into the mix along with lotterying for Truth and Cap City, solidly performing kids will land somewhere if you keep all options open.

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Anonymous wrote:It is starting to be more than a handful at EH recently. EH also offers math and ELA acceleration. Similar story at SH. People with bright kids do sometimes turn down Basis to instead just try these schools. It is somewhat hard to believe unless you have a child there or you have otherwise recently taken a hard look at these schools.

As has been discussed on here on many threads, the nuance that is missed in many of these broad sweeping conversations about good/bad schools is the huge achievement gaps that are important to understand when looking at the city to understand the big picture. But when the schools scores are lumped together and an average score is presented, IMO it at the very least makes it harder to understand what is really happening at a school. Many people on these threads talk about the importance of having a cohort of peers achieving at higher levels, which many of these middle schools do. Ideally everybody at a school would be achieving at higher levels, but we have a long ways to go to reaching that and is worth of a whole separate discussion about how we can get there as a city.

If you look at sub groups at some of these schools being discussed (SH or EH for example) you will see they match or outperform their peers in the same subgroups across the city. As a parent who has a now 7th grader at one of those schools, I can say that there are assignments and teachers that push them, and options for more advanced courses. I also know there are kids who cannot or choose not to complete the assignments at the same level, but I know that in each of my child's classes there are a large number of kids who are doing the work, getting pushed to think one step further, doing well on class and standardized tests, etc. And for those who are thinking about the high school long game, kids from these schools get into SWW, Banneker, McKinley, privates, and increasingly the EPIC program at Eastern (TBD how much traction that picks up)

All that to say, there are options for academically advanced kids at more than just a handful of schools in this city, and there are many families at these schools by choice (in addition to the ones there b/c they didn't win a lottery a few years ago).

I totally believe you about the middle schools. But the selective admissions high schools are so random in terms of who they let in, it's not something to count on. So the middle school decision is at least partly about, if you don't get in, are you comfortable with Eastern or are you able to pay for private school?

The selective high schools are NOT that random. Only Walls is. If your kid (on grade level) could be happy at Banneker or McKinley or Walls, you will get a spot at one of the 3.

They have very similar admissions process. None of them look at whether you are on grade level. You could strike out at all three.

Have you heard of any good students you know striking out at all three? I haven't. The only one I knew who "struck out" at the ones he applied to was in bounds for Jackson Reed. So, you know he had a good back up plan and was pickier as a result. The other factor is that if you can pay for Private if necessary, then things are truly not dire.

My kid interviewed at all three and they were matched at Walls since it was their first choice. We would not know if they were also admitted to the other two. We are not in bounds for JR.

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Anonymous wrote:It is starting to be more than a handful at EH recently. EH also offers math and ELA acceleration. Similar story at SH. People with bright kids do sometimes turn down Basis to instead just try these schools. It is somewhat hard to believe unless you have a child there or you have otherwise recently taken a hard look at these schools.

As has been discussed on here on many threads, the nuance that is missed in many of these broad sweeping conversations about good/bad schools is the huge achievement gaps that are important to understand when looking at the city to understand the big picture. But when the schools scores are lumped together and an average score is presented, IMO it at the very least makes it harder to understand what is really happening at a school. Many people on these threads talk about the importance of having a cohort of peers achieving at higher levels, which many of these middle schools do. Ideally everybody at a school would be achieving at higher levels, but we have a long ways to go to reaching that and is worth of a whole separate discussion about how we can get there as a city.

If you look at sub groups at some of these schools being discussed (SH or EH for example) you will see they match or outperform their peers in the same subgroups across the city. As a parent who has a now 7th grader at one of those schools, I can say that there are assignments and teachers that push them, and options for more advanced courses. I also know there are kids who cannot or choose not to complete the assignments at the same level, but I know that in each of my child's classes there are a large number of kids who are doing the work, getting pushed to think one step further, doing well on class and standardized tests, etc. And for those who are thinking about the high school long game, kids from these schools get into SWW, Banneker, McKinley, privates, and increasingly the EPIC program at Eastern (TBD how much traction that picks up)

All that to say, there are options for academically advanced kids at more than just a handful of schools in this city, and there are many families at these schools by choice (in addition to the ones there b/c they didn't win a lottery a few years ago).

I totally believe you about the middle schools. But the selective admissions high schools are so random in terms of who they let in, it's not something to count on. So the middle school decision is at least partly about, if you don't get in, are you comfortable with Eastern or are you able to pay for private school?

The selective high schools are NOT that random. Only Walls is. If your kid (on grade level) could be happy at Banneker or McKinley or Walls, you will get a spot at one of the 3.

They have very similar admissions process. None of them look at whether you are on grade level. You could strike out at all three.

Look, I’ve been though the high school process with two kids in the past couple years and watched where their friends applied and matched. If your kid has a 3.0 and does the admission process, they will get a slot at Banneker, McKinley, or Walls. I agree with you that the process descriptions are similar, but the actual outcomes and the way the schools run them is different.

I want to think this is the case because it would help my kid a lot right now if we knew that, but there were parents who posted last year whose kids struck out. Also, how could they run them differently? There are a lot more kids with a 3.0 and who want admissions than there are slots.

The structure of the application processes at walls and Banneker aren’t as different they used to be now that walls added the in person essay. What makes the overall process much different is the ratios of who they take bs who’s applying. Walls probably interviews ~400-500 who have straight As or maybe a single B and from the outside it appears it’s almost luck who makes the cut (also there are kids with the grades that don’t even get an interview). A high percentage of the ones walls picks are going to accept.

Banneker accepts a class that’s a little bigger ~200, but a bunch of the kids they pick are going to have walls above Banneker in the lottery (ie maybe the NW kids applying to walls don’t also apply but many of the rest of city kids are. Although a few actually rank Banneker higher most have walls first). So, Banneker might pick twice as many kids.

The overall effect is that with the larger class and losing more they picked to walls, Bannekers process is better tuned to capturing the students with the ability to succeed there. Walls gets students who can succeed at walls but probably could have picked an alternate class from ones they interviewed and they didn’t select who would also do well. Others are more critical than I am of walls. To me the fault is with the school system not having enough capacity for the qualified kids or having the will to use a test to rank them.

Like the post earlier said, if you are willing to accept walls, Banneker, or McKinley then you will likely get at least one. More people are doing that now and it’s resulting in stronger cohorts.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this true for PK at CHML too?

No, PK is great! It’s the only part of the school that’s actually Montessori accredited.

Yes, because it is MONTESSORI!!!! It is designed for ECE. The idea that children and preteens should get to pick what and how they learn is stupidity.

It is so poorly implemented at CHML too. The students have no idea how a "normal" classroom should look and function. They don't have the attention spans to sit through any kind of direct instruction, they think they can do whatever they want, and therefore, struggle when they get to high school and are expected to function in a regular classroom setting. The 4th-5th grade classrooms are full of behavior problems and this is known as many parents opt to pull their kids out after 3rd grade. Montessori can work but only highly motivated and independent students can succeed and CHML is full of kids who were kicked out of their DCPS school/charters/etc. It just does not work.

I don’t believe either of you truly are Momtessorians and would be able to speak to the validity of your responses. Montessori was NOT designed for ECE. It is a philosophy that can be applied at any plane of development. Montessori began working on her design of the Secondary space, but she unfortunately passed away before it was completed.

CHML does not actually do Montessori beyond the primary grade band. Any issues that exist in 1st grade and beyond can not be blamed on Montessori because they aren’t even following what they would need to do to be accredited.

These defenses of Montessori and CHML are laughable. People like you spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about pedagogy and implementation because it is easier to wax philosophic than to look at hard data and acknowledge reality. Montessori was designed for ECE. The revisionist history employed in defense of Saint Maria is nonsense. The system was designed in the early 1900s in a time and place with decidedly different demographics and realities. People like PP always fall back on some weird defense the failure isn't Montessori, it is the school's application. As if that makes one bit of difference to parents whose kids are there.

At some point the way you learn math and science is to learn math and science. Phrases like "drill and kill" are used pejoratively to describe schools that [GASP] make kids memorize concepts and formulas and then test them on it.

CHML caters to (majority white) wealthy parents who can afford to take chances on schools in defense of silly pedagogies that matter to a small group of Lululemon wearing yoga moms with free time.

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Anonymous wrote:It is starting to be more than a handful at EH recently. EH also offers math and ELA acceleration. Similar story at SH. People with bright kids do sometimes turn down Basis to instead just try these schools. It is somewhat hard to believe unless you have a child there or you have otherwise recently taken a hard look at these schools.

As has been discussed on here on many threads, the nuance that is missed in many of these broad sweeping conversations about good/bad schools is the huge achievement gaps that are important to understand when looking at the city to understand the big picture. But when the schools scores are lumped together and an average score is presented, IMO it at the very least makes it harder to understand what is really happening at a school. Many people on these threads talk about the importance of having a cohort of peers achieving at higher levels, which many of these middle schools do. Ideally everybody at a school would be achieving at higher levels, but we have a long ways to go to reaching that and is worth of a whole separate discussion about how we can get there as a city.

If you look at sub groups at some of these schools being discussed (SH or EH for example) you will see they match or outperform their peers in the same subgroups across the city. As a parent who has a now 7th grader at one of those schools, I can say that there are assignments and teachers that push them, and options for more advanced courses. I also know there are kids who cannot or choose not to complete the assignments at the same level, but I know that in each of my child's classes there are a large number of kids who are doing the work, getting pushed to think one step further, doing well on class and standardized tests, etc. And for those who are thinking about the high school long game, kids from these schools get into SWW, Banneker, McKinley, privates, and increasingly the EPIC program at Eastern (TBD how much traction that picks up)

All that to say, there are options for academically advanced kids at more than just a handful of schools in this city, and there are many families at these schools by choice (in addition to the ones there b/c they didn't win a lottery a few years ago).

I totally believe you about the middle schools. But the selective admissions high schools are so random in terms of who they let in, it's not something to count on. So the middle school decision is at least partly about, if you don't get in, are you comfortable with Eastern or are you able to pay for private school?

The selective high schools are NOT that random. Only Walls is. If your kid (on grade level) could be happy at Banneker or McKinley or Walls, you will get a spot at one of the 3.

Less than 1/5th of SH students go to Eastern every year, so going there as a high performing student does not actually require you to be comfortable with Eastern. Banneker? Duke? McKinley? Yes. Eastern? No. Most years more kids opt for private or moving out of DC than Eastern.

So the kids who go to SH are either ok with Eastern or prepared to go to private school or move.

My kid is a straight 4s on DCPS ES report cards, 95-99% iReady, 1 4 & 3 5s on CAPE. I am not worried she isn’t getting into one of the selective schools and going to SH seems to be an advantage there since there are more kids getting into selective HSes (including Duke) than kids getting straight 4s on PARCC. Walls or bust is unrealistic, but I am not actually worried about she is headed to Eastern.

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BASIS DC!!!!!