Do you let your dog off leash ever?

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Anonymous wrote:My dog (not a pit, a beagle) will absolutely attack an off leash dog that comes up to her, and she is not kidding around. If she hurts your dog it is your fault, OP. Your dog doesn’t deserve it, but you do. You will be found at fault, too, because you are the one with the off leash dog.

You shouldn’t have your dog around others then

I can take my dog for a walk minding our own business. If you leave us alone, she will leave you alone.

Your dog is dangerous and should be out in public.

That is not how the law works. My dog isn’t dangerous if your dog is in control. Therefore if you obey the law there won’t be an issue.

Your dog is dangerous! Read your post. You are blaming other dogs and people for your lack of training and your aggressive dog.

If your dog is illegally offleash, as in the case of this thread, you are the only one to blame. Just like if it gets run over by a car. You are the one blaming other people for your poor behavior having consequences.

Yes. It's astonishing how some of these posters seem to think they can just do whatever, consequence-free, even when they know it's against the law.

Uh, but it’s not actually against the law. So what do you say now? Still ok for toot aggressive dog to attack everything around it?

Where are these "aggressive dogs" that are just "attacking everything around it"? Only in your extraordinarily vivid imagination, honey. They are figments of your paranoid mind.

My dog and I are minding our business. It is your job to keep your animal(s) away from us. Since it is highly unlikely you'll be able to do that without a leash, leash your dog. If it's an off-leash park, you're still required to keep your dog away from me. Don't unleash your dog until/unless you're certain your dog has bombproof focus and recall (which, given your posts, is probably not the case). Your dog running up into my space, putting paws on me or my dog, is a violation of the law basically everywhere in the U.S. I've ever been. So yes, it is against the law, and against all decency and common sense, to let your animal invade other people's personal space.

You keep ranting about the LAW and other people controlling their dogs, but if you can’t control your dog out in the world to not attack someone coming into it’s ‘personal space’ then you’re the one breaking the law. And just showing yourself to be a selfish sociopath.

So you are cool if a stranger comes up and hugs you? Why do you think it is ok for dog to come up to my dog?

Because normal dog greetings are different than abnormal human greetings. There is a social code between dogs. There is a different social code between humans. The answer is to properly socialize dogs and humans so that nobody starts attacking one another just because they are nearby. Dogs greeting is not anything like a stranger hugging you. And if someone I meet innocently tries to hug me? I just back away. I don’t assault them.

Assault them back. You don't assault them back, and that's your call to make, but unwanted contact is assault. If you want to react to it like it's acceptable to you, well, do you, I guess.

I don't want to be assaulted by you, or your dog, or anyone. I want to enjoy my right to public space unassaulted, thanks.

Why would I? I pick my battles, assaulting someone back for honest mistake or simple stupidity is not the reasonable course of action. But you do you

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Anonymous wrote:My dog (not a pit, a beagle) will absolutely attack an off leash dog that comes up to her, and she is not kidding around. If she hurts your dog it is your fault, OP. Your dog doesn’t deserve it, but you do. You will be found at fault, too, because you are the one with the off leash dog.

You shouldn’t have your dog around others then

I can take my dog for a walk minding our own business. If you leave us alone, she will leave you alone.

Your dog is dangerous and should be out in public.

That is not how the law works. My dog isn’t dangerous if your dog is in control. Therefore if you obey the law there won’t be an issue.

Your dog is dangerous! Read your post. You are blaming other dogs and people for your lack of training and your aggressive dog.

If your dog is illegally offleash, as in the case of this thread, you are the only one to blame. Just like if it gets run over by a car. You are the one blaming other people for your poor behavior having consequences.

Yes. It's astonishing how some of these posters seem to think they can just do whatever, consequence-free, even when they know it's against the law.

Uh, but it’s not actually against the law. So what do you say now? Still ok for toot aggressive dog to attack everything around it?

Where are these "aggressive dogs" that are just "attacking everything around it"? Only in your extraordinarily vivid imagination, honey. They are figments of your paranoid mind.

My dog and I are minding our business. It is your job to keep your animal(s) away from us. Since it is highly unlikely you'll be able to do that without a leash, leash your dog. If it's an off-leash park, you're still required to keep your dog away from me. Don't unleash your dog until/unless you're certain your dog has bombproof focus and recall (which, given your posts, is probably not the case). Your dog running up into my space, putting paws on me or my dog, is a violation of the law basically everywhere in the U.S. I've ever been. So yes, it is against the law, and against all decency and common sense, to let your animal invade other people's personal space.

You keep ranting about the LAW and other people controlling their dogs, but if you can’t control your dog out in the world to not attack someone coming into it’s ‘personal space’ then you’re the one breaking the law. And just showing yourself to be a selfish sociopath.

So you are cool if a stranger comes up and hugs you? Why do you think it is ok for dog to come up to my dog?

Because normal dog greetings are different than abnormal human greetings. There is a social code between dogs. There is a different social code between humans. The answer is to properly socialize dogs and humans so that nobody starts attacking one another just because they are nearby. Dogs greeting is not anything like a stranger hugging you. And if someone I meet innocently tries to hug me? I just back away. I don’t assault them.

Assault them back. You don't assault them back, and that's your call to make, but unwanted contact is assault. If you want to react to it like it's acceptable to you, well, do you, I guess.

I don't want to be assaulted by you, or your dog, or anyone. I want to enjoy my right to public space unassaulted, thanks.

Why would I? I pick my battles, assaulting someone back for honest mistake or simple stupidity is not the reasonable course of action. But you do you

I love how some law-breaking idiot who can't even control a dog smugly suggests they have the high ground because they'd consider an assault an 'honest mistake'.

Congratulations on your liberal delusions. Please stay away from me.

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Anonymous wrote:My dog (not a pit, a beagle) will absolutely attack an off leash dog that comes up to her, and she is not kidding around. If she hurts your dog it is your fault, OP. Your dog doesn’t deserve it, but you do. You will be found at fault, too, because you are the one with the off leash dog.

You shouldn’t have your dog around others then

I can take my dog for a walk minding our own business. If you leave us alone, she will leave you alone.

Your dog is dangerous and should be out in public.

That is not how the law works. My dog isn’t dangerous if your dog is in control. Therefore if you obey the law there won’t be an issue.

Your dog is dangerous! Read your post. You are blaming other dogs and people for your lack of training and your aggressive dog.

If your dog is illegally offleash, as in the case of this thread, you are the only one to blame. Just like if it gets run over by a car. You are the one blaming other people for your poor behavior having consequences.

Yes. It's astonishing how some of these posters seem to think they can just do whatever, consequence-free, even when they know it's against the law.

Uh, but it’s not actually against the law. So what do you say now? Still ok for toot aggressive dog to attack everything around it?

Where are these "aggressive dogs" that are just "attacking everything around it"? Only in your extraordinarily vivid imagination, honey. They are figments of your paranoid mind.

My dog and I are minding our business. It is your job to keep your animal(s) away from us. Since it is highly unlikely you'll be able to do that without a leash, leash your dog. If it's an off-leash park, you're still required to keep your dog away from me. Don't unleash your dog until/unless you're certain your dog has bombproof focus and recall (which, given your posts, is probably not the case). Your dog running up into my space, putting paws on me or my dog, is a violation of the law basically everywhere in the U.S. I've ever been. So yes, it is against the law, and against all decency and common sense, to let your animal invade other people's personal space.

You keep ranting about the LAW and other people controlling their dogs, but if you can’t control your dog out in the world to not attack someone coming into it’s ‘personal space’ then you’re the one breaking the law. And just showing yourself to be a selfish sociopath.

So you are cool if a stranger comes up and hugs you? Why do you think it is ok for dog to come up to my dog?

Because normal dog greetings are different than abnormal human greetings. There is a social code between dogs. There is a different social code between humans. The answer is to properly socialize dogs and humans so that nobody starts attacking one another just because they are nearby. Dogs greeting is not anything like a stranger hugging you. And if someone I meet innocently tries to hug me? I just back away. I don’t assault them.

Assault them back. You don't assault them back, and that's your call to make, but unwanted contact is assault. If you want to react to it like it's acceptable to you, well, do you, I guess.

I don't want to be assaulted by you, or your dog, or anyone. I want to enjoy my right to public space unassaulted, thanks.

Why would I? I pick my battles, assaulting someone back for honest mistake or simple stupidity is not the reasonable course of action. But you do you

I love how some law-breaking idiot who can't even control a dog smugly suggests they have the high ground because they'd consider an assault an 'honest mistake'.

Congratulations on your liberal delusions. Please stay away from me.

There is no liberal delusion in my position, only personal responsibility for my own actions. I don't live with pink glasses on assuming I have a right to be unassaulted. I know that real world is full of unwanted interactions, and I have no control over other people actions, so I make my own choices on how to react in certain situations. Calling other posters names on anon forum is not one of them.

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Anonymous wrote:My dog (not a pit, a beagle) will absolutely attack an off leash dog that comes up to her, and she is not kidding around. If she hurts your dog it is your fault, OP. Your dog doesn’t deserve it, but you do. You will be found at fault, too, because you are the one with the off leash dog.

You shouldn’t have your dog around others then

I can take my dog for a walk minding our own business. If you leave us alone, she will leave you alone.

Your dog is dangerous and should be out in public.

That is not how the law works. My dog isn’t dangerous if your dog is in control. Therefore if you obey the law there won’t be an issue.

Your dog is dangerous! Read your post. You are blaming other dogs and people for your lack of training and your aggressive dog.

If your dog is illegally offleash, as in the case of this thread, you are the only one to blame. Just like if it gets run over by a car. You are the one blaming other people for your poor behavior having consequences.

Yes. It's astonishing how some of these posters seem to think they can just do whatever, consequence-free, even when they know it's against the law.

Uh, but it’s not actually against the law. So what do you say now? Still ok for toot aggressive dog to attack everything around it?

Where are these "aggressive dogs" that are just "attacking everything around it"? Only in your extraordinarily vivid imagination, honey. They are figments of your paranoid mind.

My dog and I are minding our business. It is your job to keep your animal(s) away from us. Since it is highly unlikely you'll be able to do that without a leash, leash your dog. If it's an off-leash park, you're still required to keep your dog away from me. Don't unleash your dog until/unless you're certain your dog has bombproof focus and recall (which, given your posts, is probably not the case). Your dog running up into my space, putting paws on me or my dog, is a violation of the law basically everywhere in the U.S. I've ever been. So yes, it is against the law, and against all decency and common sense, to let your animal invade other people's personal space.

You keep ranting about the LAW and other people controlling their dogs, but if you can’t control your dog out in the world to not attack someone coming into it’s ‘personal space’ then you’re the one breaking the law. And just showing yourself to be a selfish sociopath.

So you are cool if a stranger comes up and hugs you? Why do you think it is ok for dog to come up to my dog?

Because normal dog greetings are different than abnormal human greetings. There is a social code between dogs. There is a different social code between humans. The answer is to properly socialize dogs and humans so that nobody starts attacking one another just because they are nearby. Dogs greeting is not anything like a stranger hugging you. And if someone I meet innocently tries to hug me? I just back away. I don’t assault them.

Assault them back. You don't assault them back, and that's your call to make, but unwanted contact is assault. If you want to react to it like it's acceptable to you, well, do you, I guess.

I don't want to be assaulted by you, or your dog, or anyone. I want to enjoy my right to public space unassaulted, thanks.

Why would I? I pick my battles, assaulting someone back for honest mistake or simple stupidity is not the reasonable course of action. But you do you

I love how some law-breaking idiot who can't even control a dog smugly suggests they have the high ground because they'd consider an assault an 'honest mistake'.

Congratulations on your liberal delusions. Please stay away from me.

There is no liberal delusion in my position, only personal responsibility for my own actions. I don't live with pink glasses on assuming I have a right to be unassaulted. I know that real world is full of unwanted interactions, and I have no control over other people actions, so I make my own choices on how to react in certain situations. Calling other posters names on anon forum is not one of them.

All of this, when all you had to do was leash your dog...

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Anonymous wrote:My dog (not a pit, a beagle) will absolutely attack an off leash dog that comes up to her, and she is not kidding around. If she hurts your dog it is your fault, OP. Your dog doesn’t deserve it, but you do. You will be found at fault, too, because you are the one with the off leash dog.

You shouldn’t have your dog around others then

I can take my dog for a walk minding our own business. If you leave us alone, she will leave you alone.

Your dog is dangerous and should be out in public.

That is not how the law works. My dog isn’t dangerous if your dog is in control. Therefore if you obey the law there won’t be an issue.

Your dog is dangerous! Read your post. You are blaming other dogs and people for your lack of training and your aggressive dog.

If your dog is illegally offleash, as in the case of this thread, you are the only one to blame. Just like if it gets run over by a car. You are the one blaming other people for your poor behavior having consequences.

Yes. It's astonishing how some of these posters seem to think they can just do whatever, consequence-free, even when they know it's against the law.

Uh, but it’s not actually against the law. So what do you say now? Still ok for toot aggressive dog to attack everything around it?

Where are these "aggressive dogs" that are just "attacking everything around it"? Only in your extraordinarily vivid imagination, honey. They are figments of your paranoid mind.

My dog and I are minding our business. It is your job to keep your animal(s) away from us. Since it is highly unlikely you'll be able to do that without a leash, leash your dog. If it's an off-leash park, you're still required to keep your dog away from me. Don't unleash your dog until/unless you're certain your dog has bombproof focus and recall (which, given your posts, is probably not the case). Your dog running up into my space, putting paws on me or my dog, is a violation of the law basically everywhere in the U.S. I've ever been. So yes, it is against the law, and against all decency and common sense, to let your animal invade other people's personal space.

You keep ranting about the LAW and other people controlling their dogs, but if you can’t control your dog out in the world to not attack someone coming into it’s ‘personal space’ then you’re the one breaking the law. And just showing yourself to be a selfish sociopath.

So you are cool if a stranger comes up and hugs you? Why do you think it is ok for dog to come up to my dog?

Because normal dog greetings are different than abnormal human greetings. There is a social code between dogs. There is a different social code between humans. The answer is to properly socialize dogs and humans so that nobody starts attacking one another just because they are nearby. Dogs greeting is not anything like a stranger hugging you. And if someone I meet innocently tries to hug me? I just back away. I don’t assault them.

Assault them back. You don't assault them back, and that's your call to make, but unwanted contact is assault. If you want to react to it like it's acceptable to you, well, do you, I guess.

I don't want to be assaulted by you, or your dog, or anyone. I want to enjoy my right to public space unassaulted, thanks.

Why would I? I pick my battles, assaulting someone back for honest mistake or simple stupidity is not the reasonable course of action. But you do you

I love how some law-breaking idiot who can't even control a dog smugly suggests they have the high ground because they'd consider an assault an 'honest mistake'.

Congratulations on your liberal delusions. Please stay away from me.

There is no liberal delusion in my position, only personal responsibility for my own actions. I don't live with pink glasses on assuming I have a right to be unassaulted. I know that real world is full of unwanted interactions, and I have no control over other people actions, so I make my own choices on how to react in certain situations. Calling other posters names on anon forum is not one of them.

All of this, when all you had to do was leash your dog...

Don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go lol

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an "informal dog run". There may be a group of dog owners regularly breaking the law. That doesn't make it legal. The park is not your personal or collective doggy socialization zone. They do have dog parks for this, if you're interested. That's the appropriate location (or your backyard, but something tells me you'll see the liability issue there, in which case, just apply it to the potential disaster you're creating in a public park and you can answer your own question).

Yes, you should immediately begin following the laws that say you must not only have your dog leashed, but under your control. Do not let your dog approach, sniff, or bark at people without their consent. It's not "being friendly" or "socializing", it's illegal. If you use a retractable leash, STOP. They break, they're dangerous, and they don't allow for sufficient control of your animal.

While you're at it, put your phone away, and make sure your dog's license is visible and their shots are up to date (just in case).

The BS logic of "my dog would never hurt a flea" makes you sound like an idiot, BTW. You know this. I don't. My dog definitely doesn't. And, most importantly, it's not the responsibility of every other person at the public park to learn and know this about you/your dog. It's your job, as a responsible owner, to keep your dog fully under your control at all times.

You've been lucky up until now. Don't push it. You know better, so do better, and tell "all your neighbors" so they can suck less, too.

Relax, lady. Yes it’s an informal dog run. Obviously I know it’s not official, but it’s a small section of a park where dog owners convene. I didn’t create it.

No backyards, but thanks for assuming.

Somehow I think you might be a pit bull owner and frankly we all hope you don’t come around with your dog and ruin it for the rest of us.

Are you OP? What an insufferable response.

If too are too poor to own a backyard, you are too poor for a dog. We don’t have a dog because we can’t afford it, and neither should you. I feel sorry for your dog.

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Anonymous wrote:My dog (not a pit, a beagle) will absolutely attack an off leash dog that comes up to her, and she is not kidding around. If she hurts your dog it is your fault, OP. Your dog doesn’t deserve it, but you do. You will be found at fault, too, because you are the one with the off leash dog.

You shouldn’t have your dog around others then

I can take my dog for a walk minding our own business. If you leave us alone, she will leave you alone.

Your dog is dangerous and should be out in public.

That is not how the law works. My dog isn’t dangerous if your dog is in control. Therefore if you obey the law there won’t be an issue.

Your dog is dangerous! Read your post. You are blaming other dogs and people for your lack of training and your aggressive dog.

If your dog is illegally offleash, as in the case of this thread, you are the only one to blame. Just like if it gets run over by a car. You are the one blaming other people for your poor behavior having consequences.

Yes. It's astonishing how some of these posters seem to think they can just do whatever, consequence-free, even when they know it's against the law.

Uh, but it’s not actually against the law. So what do you say now? Still ok for toot aggressive dog to attack everything around it?

Where are these "aggressive dogs" that are just "attacking everything around it"? Only in your extraordinarily vivid imagination, honey. They are figments of your paranoid mind.

My dog and I are minding our business. It is your job to keep your animal(s) away from us. Since it is highly unlikely you'll be able to do that without a leash, leash your dog. If it's an off-leash park, you're still required to keep your dog away from me. Don't unleash your dog until/unless you're certain your dog has bombproof focus and recall (which, given your posts, is probably not the case). Your dog running up into my space, putting paws on me or my dog, is a violation of the law basically everywhere in the U.S. I've ever been. So yes, it is against the law, and against all decency and common sense, to let your animal invade other people's personal space.

You keep ranting about the LAW and other people controlling their dogs, but if you can’t control your dog out in the world to not attack someone coming into it’s ‘personal space’ then you’re the one breaking the law. And just showing yourself to be a selfish sociopath.

So you are cool if a stranger comes up and hugs you? Why do you think it is ok for dog to come up to my dog?

Because normal dog greetings are different than abnormal human greetings. There is a social code between dogs. There is a different social code between humans. The answer is to properly socialize dogs and humans so that nobody starts attacking one another just because they are nearby. Dogs greeting is not anything like a stranger hugging you. And if someone I meet innocently tries to hug me? I just back away. I don’t assault them.

Assault them back. You don't assault them back, and that's your call to make, but unwanted contact is assault. If you want to react to it like it's acceptable to you, well, do you, I guess.

I don't want to be assaulted by you, or your dog, or anyone. I want to enjoy my right to public space unassaulted, thanks.

Why would I? I pick my battles, assaulting someone back for honest mistake or simple stupidity is not the reasonable course of action. But you do you

I love how some law-breaking idiot who can't even control a dog smugly suggests they have the high ground because they'd consider an assault an 'honest mistake'.

Congratulations on your liberal delusions. Please stay away from me.

There is no liberal delusion in my position, only personal responsibility for my own actions. I don't live with pink glasses on assuming I have a right to be unassaulted. I know that real world is full of unwanted interactions, and I have no control over other people actions, so I make my own choices on how to react in certain situations. Calling other posters names on anon forum is not one of them.

All of this, when all you had to do was leash your dog...

Don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go lol

It's not my personal opinion, sweetie. It's the law. Control your dog, no matter where you go, and you'll be fine.

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Anonymous wrote:My dog (not a pit, a beagle) will absolutely attack an off leash dog that comes up to her, and she is not kidding around. If she hurts your dog it is your fault, OP. Your dog doesn’t deserve it, but you do. You will be found at fault, too, because you are the one with the off leash dog.

You shouldn’t have your dog around others then

I can take my dog for a walk minding our own business. If you leave us alone, she will leave you alone.

Your dog is dangerous and should be out in public.

That is not how the law works. My dog isn’t dangerous if your dog is in control. Therefore if you obey the law there won’t be an issue.

Your dog is dangerous! Read your post. You are blaming other dogs and people for your lack of training and your aggressive dog.

Any dog can be aggressive in certain circumstances. My dog is only aggressive in circumstances that will not occur if people are following the law, so it’s no problem. If idiots want to let their dogs loose, that is their problem and I will punt their mutts if they come up to my dog.

You are a fool. Dogs don’t deserve to be assaulted just because they “came up” to your dog. You are a psychopath.

Then make sure your dog doesn't come up to stranger's dogs!

Right?! I mean, these same people are like "nobody should own aggressive dogs or be aggressive! The world should be bubble-wrapped for me so I can be as stupid as I want without consequence!" It's fscking ridiculous...

Nobody said that quote you just invented out of thin air.

I am simply saying that the owner of an aggressive dog is responsible if their dog attacks a non-aggressive dog. That’s it. Basic accountability for the actions of a known aggressive dog in public.

Basic accountability for the actions of a "known aggressive dog" are keeping it leashed, away from other people and their dogs.

If you destroy someone's ability to do that by letting your unleashed dog run up on a leashed dog, and the reactive dog bites your dog, YOU are responsible. But for your negligent failure to control your animal, there wouldn't have been a problem.

That's how the law is written, for a reason. I'm sorry it's so hard for you to understand, but that's the reality of it. Arguing the way you are that it should somehow be different because you don't/can't understand and follow it as-written just makes you look stupid, at best, and selfish and entitled.

You keep it muzzled and don’t go where others are. Simple.

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Anonymous wrote:My dog (not a pit, a beagle) will absolutely attack an off leash dog that comes up to her, and she is not kidding around. If she hurts your dog it is your fault, OP. Your dog doesn’t deserve it, but you do. You will be found at fault, too, because you are the one with the off leash dog.

You shouldn’t have your dog around others then

I can take my dog for a walk minding our own business. If you leave us alone, she will leave you alone.

Your dog is dangerous and should be out in public.

That is not how the law works. My dog isn’t dangerous if your dog is in control. Therefore if you obey the law there won’t be an issue.

Your dog is dangerous! Read your post. You are blaming other dogs and people for your lack of training and your aggressive dog.

If your dog is illegally offleash, as in the case of this thread, you are the only one to blame. Just like if it gets run over by a car. You are the one blaming other people for your poor behavior having consequences.

Yes. It's astonishing how some of these posters seem to think they can just do whatever, consequence-free, even when they know it's against the law.

Uh, but it’s not actually against the law. So what do you say now? Still ok for toot aggressive dog to attack everything around it?

Where are these "aggressive dogs" that are just "attacking everything around it"? Only in your extraordinarily vivid imagination, honey. They are figments of your paranoid mind.

My dog and I are minding our business. It is your job to keep your animal(s) away from us. Since it is highly unlikely you'll be able to do that without a leash, leash your dog. If it's an off-leash park, you're still required to keep your dog away from me. Don't unleash your dog until/unless you're certain your dog has bombproof focus and recall (which, given your posts, is probably not the case). Your dog running up into my space, putting paws on me or my dog, is a violation of the law basically everywhere in the U.S. I've ever been. So yes, it is against the law, and against all decency and common sense, to let your animal invade other people's personal space.

You keep ranting about the LAW and other people controlling their dogs, but if you can’t control your dog out in the world to not attack someone coming into it’s ‘personal space’ then you’re the one breaking the law. And just showing yourself to be a selfish sociopath.

So you are cool if a stranger comes up and hugs you? Why do you think it is ok for dog to come up to my dog?

Because normal dog greetings are different than abnormal human greetings. There is a social code between dogs. There is a different social code between humans. The answer is to properly socialize dogs and humans so that nobody starts attacking one another just because they are nearby. Dogs greeting is not anything like a stranger hugging you. And if someone I meet innocently tries to hug me? I just back away. I don’t assault them.

Assault them back. You don't assault them back, and that's your call to make, but unwanted contact is assault. If you want to react to it like it's acceptable to you, well, do you, I guess.

I don't want to be assaulted by you, or your dog, or anyone. I want to enjoy my right to public space unassaulted, thanks.

Why would I? I pick my battles, assaulting someone back for honest mistake or simple stupidity is not the reasonable course of action. But you do you

I love how some law-breaking idiot who can't even control a dog smugly suggests they have the high ground because they'd consider an assault an 'honest mistake'.

Congratulations on your liberal delusions. Please stay away from me.

There is no liberal delusion in my position, only personal responsibility for my own actions. I don't live with pink glasses on assuming I have a right to be unassaulted. I know that real world is full of unwanted interactions, and I have no control over other people actions, so I make my own choices on how to react in certain situations. Calling other posters names on anon forum is not one of them.

All of this, when all you had to do was leash your dog...

Don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go lol

It's not my personal opinion, sweetie. It's the law. Control your dog, no matter where you go, and you'll be fine.

I'm always in control of my dog, wherever he's on leash or not. And I can decide for myself when, where, and what laws to abide, and I'm fine, thank you. Fell free to do the same, sweetie 😘

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Anonymous wrote:My dog (not a pit, a beagle) will absolutely attack an off leash dog that comes up to her, and she is not kidding around. If she hurts your dog it is your fault, OP. Your dog doesn’t deserve it, but you do. You will be found at fault, too, because you are the one with the off leash dog.

You shouldn’t have your dog around others then

I can take my dog for a walk minding our own business. If you leave us alone, she will leave you alone.

Your dog is dangerous and should be out in public.

That is not how the law works. My dog isn’t dangerous if your dog is in control. Therefore if you obey the law there won’t be an issue.

Your dog is dangerous! Read your post. You are blaming other dogs and people for your lack of training and your aggressive dog.

If your dog is illegally offleash, as in the case of this thread, you are the only one to blame. Just like if it gets run over by a car. You are the one blaming other people for your poor behavior having consequences.

Yes. It's astonishing how some of these posters seem to think they can just do whatever, consequence-free, even when they know it's against the law.

Uh, but it’s not actually against the law. So what do you say now? Still ok for toot aggressive dog to attack everything around it?

Where are these "aggressive dogs" that are just "attacking everything around it"? Only in your extraordinarily vivid imagination, honey. They are figments of your paranoid mind.

My dog and I are minding our business. It is your job to keep your animal(s) away from us. Since it is highly unlikely you'll be able to do that without a leash, leash your dog. If it's an off-leash park, you're still required to keep your dog away from me. Don't unleash your dog until/unless you're certain your dog has bombproof focus and recall (which, given your posts, is probably not the case). Your dog running up into my space, putting paws on me or my dog, is a violation of the law basically everywhere in the U.S. I've ever been. So yes, it is against the law, and against all decency and common sense, to let your animal invade other people's personal space.

You keep ranting about the LAW and other people controlling their dogs, but if you can’t control your dog out in the world to not attack someone coming into it’s ‘personal space’ then you’re the one breaking the law. And just showing yourself to be a selfish sociopath.

So you are cool if a stranger comes up and hugs you? Why do you think it is ok for dog to come up to my dog?

Because normal dog greetings are different than abnormal human greetings. There is a social code between dogs. There is a different social code between humans. The answer is to properly socialize dogs and humans so that nobody starts attacking one another just because they are nearby. Dogs greeting is not anything like a stranger hugging you. And if someone I meet innocently tries to hug me? I just back away. I don’t assault them.

Assault them back. You don't assault them back, and that's your call to make, but unwanted contact is assault. If you want to react to it like it's acceptable to you, well, do you, I guess.

I don't want to be assaulted by you, or your dog, or anyone. I want to enjoy my right to public space unassaulted, thanks.

Why would I? I pick my battles, assaulting someone back for honest mistake or simple stupidity is not the reasonable course of action. But you do you

I love how some law-breaking idiot who can't even control a dog smugly suggests they have the high ground because they'd consider an assault an 'honest mistake'.

Congratulations on your liberal delusions. Please stay away from me.

There is no liberal delusion in my position, only personal responsibility for my own actions. I don't live with pink glasses on assuming I have a right to be unassaulted. I know that real world is full of unwanted interactions, and I have no control over other people actions, so I make my own choices on how to react in certain situations. Calling other posters names on anon forum is not one of them.

All of this, when all you had to do was leash your dog...

Don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go lol

It's not my personal opinion, sweetie. It's the law. Control your dog, no matter where you go, and you'll be fine.

I'm always in control of my dog, wherever he's on leash or not. And I can decide for myself when, where, and what laws to abide, and I'm fine, thank you. Fell free to do the same, sweetie 😘

Okay, hunty. Just know that when your dog's allegedly flawless recall fails, you're responsible for the consequences, even if they kill your dog.

You're not "fine", you're an ass. But sure, break whatever laws you like. Good luck with that!

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Anonymous wrote:My dog (not a pit, a beagle) will absolutely attack an off leash dog that comes up to her, and she is not kidding around. If she hurts your dog it is your fault, OP. Your dog doesn’t deserve it, but you do. You will be found at fault, too, because you are the one with the off leash dog.

You shouldn’t have your dog around others then

I can take my dog for a walk minding our own business. If you leave us alone, she will leave you alone.

Your dog is dangerous and should be out in public.

That is not how the law works. My dog isn’t dangerous if your dog is in control. Therefore if you obey the law there won’t be an issue.

Your dog is dangerous! Read your post. You are blaming other dogs and people for your lack of training and your aggressive dog.

Any dog can be aggressive in certain circumstances. My dog is only aggressive in circumstances that will not occur if people are following the law, so it’s no problem. If idiots want to let their dogs loose, that is their problem and I will punt their mutts if they come up to my dog.

You are a fool. Dogs don’t deserve to be assaulted just because they “came up” to your dog. You are a psychopath.

Then make sure your dog doesn't come up to stranger's dogs!

Right?! I mean, these same people are like "nobody should own aggressive dogs or be aggressive! The world should be bubble-wrapped for me so I can be as stupid as I want without consequence!" It's fscking ridiculous...

Nobody said that quote you just invented out of thin air.

I am simply saying that the owner of an aggressive dog is responsible if their dog attacks a non-aggressive dog. That’s it. Basic accountability for the actions of a known aggressive dog in public.

Basic accountability for the actions of a "known aggressive dog" are keeping it leashed, away from other people and their dogs.

If you destroy someone's ability to do that by letting your unleashed dog run up on a leashed dog, and the reactive dog bites your dog, YOU are responsible. But for your negligent failure to control your animal, there wouldn't have been a problem.

That's how the law is written, for a reason. I'm sorry it's so hard for you to understand, but that's the reality of it. Arguing the way you are that it should somehow be different because you don't/can't understand and follow it as-written just makes you look stupid, at best, and selfish and entitled.

You keep it muzzled and don’t go where others are. Simple.

Please tell me where the off-leash idiots never go. I want to go there. Seems they're swarming in packs these days, and I really would like to avoid.

-owns a tiny, friendly dog

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an "informal dog run". There may be a group of dog owners regularly breaking the law. That doesn't make it legal. The park is not your personal or collective doggy socialization zone. They do have dog parks for this, if you're interested. That's the appropriate location (or your backyard, but something tells me you'll see the liability issue there, in which case, just apply it to the potential disaster you're creating in a public park and you can answer your own question).

Yes, you should immediately begin following the laws that say you must not only have your dog leashed, but under your control. Do not let your dog approach, sniff, or bark at people without their consent. It's not "being friendly" or "socializing", it's illegal. If you use a retractable leash, STOP. They break, they're dangerous, and they don't allow for sufficient control of your animal.

While you're at it, put your phone away, and make sure your dog's license is visible and their shots are up to date (just in case).

The BS logic of "my dog would never hurt a flea" makes you sound like an idiot, BTW. You know this. I don't. My dog definitely doesn't. And, most importantly, it's not the responsibility of every other person at the public park to learn and know this about you/your dog. It's your job, as a responsible owner, to keep your dog fully under your control at all times.

You've been lucky up until now. Don't push it. You know better, so do better, and tell "all your neighbors" so they can suck less, too.

Have you ever met a golden retriever who bites? I have not. I do know Pitt bulls who have maimed and killed other animals, and various other breeds who have attacked but not with the same lethality as pitts.

Leash laws aren't just for biting. I also don't want your friendly, non-biting golden retriever running up to my 4 year old who is afraid of dogs and scaring the ever living daylight out of her. Which happened once at the "informal dog run" in our neighborhood. The dog was perfectly friendly so I was thankfully not worried about the dog mauling my kid, but it also was obviously untrained with zero recall, as when the owner sauntered up a moment later, the dog fully ignored its owner for several minutes while eating all my kid's goldfish and licking both of us on the hands and face. Were we hurt? No. Was it a totally unwelcome and inappropriate interaction? Yes.

Leash your dog.

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My child is also afraid of dogs. Yet the number of times people decide it is OK to grin, sheepish, as their pet runs up to my small child, slobbering and trying to lick and paw at her, is insane.

OP, if your unleashed dog came close to me and my child, I will kick it as hard as I can in the snout, hoping to really hurt it, maybe break its jaw. I've done it before and will not hesitate to do it again. The last time a dog ran up to my child and the owners could no recall it, I think I actually broke its jaw; the sharp cracking sound and the way it yipped as it ran away from me and its owner indicate I hurt it badly, and I don't care. So I guess this is another danger for your friendly golden retriever if you leave it unleashed.

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Anonymous wrote:My dog (not a pit, a beagle) will absolutely attack an off leash dog that comes up to her, and she is not kidding around. If she hurts your dog it is your fault, OP. Your dog doesn’t deserve it, but you do. You will be found at fault, too, because you are the one with the off leash dog.

You shouldn’t have your dog around others then

I can take my dog for a walk minding our own business. If you leave us alone, she will leave you alone.

Your dog is dangerous and should be out in public.

That is not how the law works. My dog isn’t dangerous if your dog is in control. Therefore if you obey the law there won’t be an issue.

Your dog is dangerous! Read your post. You are blaming other dogs and people for your lack of training and your aggressive dog.

If your dog is illegally offleash, as in the case of this thread, you are the only one to blame. Just like if it gets run over by a car. You are the one blaming other people for your poor behavior having consequences.

Yes. It's astonishing how some of these posters seem to think they can just do whatever, consequence-free, even when they know it's against the law.

Uh, but it’s not actually against the law. So what do you say now? Still ok for toot aggressive dog to attack everything around it?

Where are these "aggressive dogs" that are just "attacking everything around it"? Only in your extraordinarily vivid imagination, honey. They are figments of your paranoid mind.

My dog and I are minding our business. It is your job to keep your animal(s) away from us. Since it is highly unlikely you'll be able to do that without a leash, leash your dog. If it's an off-leash park, you're still required to keep your dog away from me. Don't unleash your dog until/unless you're certain your dog has bombproof focus and recall (which, given your posts, is probably not the case). Your dog running up into my space, putting paws on me or my dog, is a violation of the law basically everywhere in the U.S. I've ever been. So yes, it is against the law, and against all decency and common sense, to let your animal invade other people's personal space.

You keep ranting about the LAW and other people controlling their dogs, but if you can’t control your dog out in the world to not attack someone coming into it’s ‘personal space’ then you’re the one breaking the law. And just showing yourself to be a selfish sociopath.

So you are cool if a stranger comes up and hugs you? Why do you think it is ok for dog to come up to my dog?

Because normal dog greetings are different than abnormal human greetings. There is a social code between dogs. There is a different social code between humans. The answer is to properly socialize dogs and humans so that nobody starts attacking one another just because they are nearby. Dogs greeting is not anything like a stranger hugging you. And if someone I meet innocently tries to hug me? I just back away. I don’t assault them.

Assault them back. You don't assault them back, and that's your call to make, but unwanted contact is assault. If you want to react to it like it's acceptable to you, well, do you, I guess.

I don't want to be assaulted by you, or your dog, or anyone. I want to enjoy my right to public space unassaulted, thanks.

Why would I? I pick my battles, assaulting someone back for honest mistake or simple stupidity is not the reasonable course of action. But you do you

I love how some law-breaking idiot who can't even control a dog smugly suggests they have the high ground because they'd consider an assault an 'honest mistake'.

Congratulations on your liberal delusions. Please stay away from me.

There is no liberal delusion in my position, only personal responsibility for my own actions. I don't live with pink glasses on assuming I have a right to be unassaulted. I know that real world is full of unwanted interactions, and I have no control over other people actions, so I make my own choices on how to react in certain situations. Calling other posters names on anon forum is not one of them.

All of this, when all you had to do was leash your dog...

Don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go lol

It's not my personal opinion, sweetie. It's the law. Control your dog, no matter where you go, and you'll be fine.

I'm always in control of my dog, wherever he's on leash or not. And I can decide for myself when, where, and what laws to abide, and I'm fine, thank you. Fell free to do the same, sweetie 😘

Okay, hunty. Just know that when your dog's allegedly flawless recall fails, you're responsible for the consequences, even if they kill your dog.

You're not "fine", you're an ass. But sure, break whatever laws you like. Good luck with that!

I am aware of consequences for my actions, and I take that risk for myself and my dog.
And yes, I'm fine, your opinion about me doesn't really matter.
Have a good day

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an "informal dog run". There may be a group of dog owners regularly breaking the law. That doesn't make it legal. The park is not your personal or collective doggy socialization zone. They do have dog parks for this, if you're interested. That's the appropriate location (or your backyard, but something tells me you'll see the liability issue there, in which case, just apply it to the potential disaster you're creating in a public park and you can answer your own question).

Yes, you should immediately begin following the laws that say you must not only have your dog leashed, but under your control. Do not let your dog approach, sniff, or bark at people without their consent. It's not "being friendly" or "socializing", it's illegal. If you use a retractable leash, STOP. They break, they're dangerous, and they don't allow for sufficient control of your animal.

While you're at it, put your phone away, and make sure your dog's license is visible and their shots are up to date (just in case).

The BS logic of "my dog would never hurt a flea" makes you sound like an idiot, BTW. You know this. I don't. My dog definitely doesn't. And, most importantly, it's not the responsibility of every other person at the public park to learn and know this about you/your dog. It's your job, as a responsible owner, to keep your dog fully under your control at all times.

You've been lucky up until now. Don't push it. You know better, so do better, and tell "all your neighbors" so they can suck less, too.

Have you ever met a golden retriever who bites? I have not. I do know Pitt bulls who have maimed and killed other animals, and various other breeds who have attacked but not with the same lethality as pitts.

Leash laws aren't just for biting. I also don't want your friendly, non-biting golden retriever running up to my 4 year old who is afraid of dogs and scaring the ever living daylight out of her. Which happened once at the "informal dog run" in our neighborhood. The dog was perfectly friendly so I was thankfully not worried about the dog mauling my kid, but it also was obviously untrained with zero recall, as when the owner sauntered up a moment later, the dog fully ignored its owner for several minutes while eating all my kid's goldfish and licking both of us on the hands and face. Were we hurt? No. Was it a totally unwelcome and inappropriate interaction? Yes.

Leash your dog.

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My child is also afraid of dogs. Yet the number of times people decide it is OK to grin, sheepish, as their pet runs up to my small child, slobbering and trying to lick and paw at her, is insane.

OP, if your unleashed dog came close to me and my child, I will kick it as hard as I can in the snout, hoping to really hurt it, maybe break its jaw. I've done it before and will not hesitate to do it again. The last time a dog ran up to my child and the owners could no recall it, I think I actually broke its jaw; the sharp cracking sound and the way it yipped as it ran away from me and its owner indicate I hurt it badly, and I don't care. So I guess this is another danger for your friendly golden retriever if you leave it unleashed.

I train my golden retriever to lay down when kids approaching. And I will not allow any kid to get close to my dog unless he's in a calm state with no risk of jumping on said kid. I might also firmly (borderline rudly) ask parents to keep their kids away from my dog if dog is not ready. For whatever reason some dumbass parents think if dog is cute American sweetheart golden it's ok to their kids to just get into that dog face as if it's a plush toy. Nope, my dog is not a toy and my responsibility is to protect it.
You do the same for your kid by all means necessary, I would do the same.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an "informal dog run". There may be a group of dog owners regularly breaking the law. That doesn't make it legal. The park is not your personal or collective doggy socialization zone. They do have dog parks for this, if you're interested. That's the appropriate location (or your backyard, but something tells me you'll see the liability issue there, in which case, just apply it to the potential disaster you're creating in a public park and you can answer your own question).

Yes, you should immediately begin following the laws that say you must not only have your dog leashed, but under your control. Do not let your dog approach, sniff, or bark at people without their consent. It's not "being friendly" or "socializing", it's illegal. If you use a retractable leash, STOP. They break, they're dangerous, and they don't allow for sufficient control of your animal.

While you're at it, put your phone away, and make sure your dog's license is visible and their shots are up to date (just in case).

The BS logic of "my dog would never hurt a flea" makes you sound like an idiot, BTW. You know this. I don't. My dog definitely doesn't. And, most importantly, it's not the responsibility of every other person at the public park to learn and know this about you/your dog. It's your job, as a responsible owner, to keep your dog fully under your control at all times.

You've been lucky up until now. Don't push it. You know better, so do better, and tell "all your neighbors" so they can suck less, too.

Have you ever met a golden retriever who bites? I have not. I do know Pitt bulls who have maimed and killed other animals, and various other breeds who have attacked but not with the same lethality as pitts.

Leash laws aren't just for biting. I also don't want your friendly, non-biting golden retriever running up to my 4 year old who is afraid of dogs and scaring the ever living daylight out of her. Which happened once at the "informal dog run" in our neighborhood. The dog was perfectly friendly so I was thankfully not worried about the dog mauling my kid, but it also was obviously untrained with zero recall, as when the owner sauntered up a moment later, the dog fully ignored its owner for several minutes while eating all my kid's goldfish and licking both of us on the hands and face. Were we hurt? No. Was it a totally unwelcome and inappropriate interaction? Yes.

Leash your dog.

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My child is also afraid of dogs. Yet the number of times people decide it is OK to grin, sheepish, as their pet runs up to my small child, slobbering and trying to lick and paw at her, is insane.

OP, if your unleashed dog came close to me and my child, I will kick it as hard as I can in the snout, hoping to really hurt it, maybe break its jaw. I've done it before and will not hesitate to do it again. The last time a dog ran up to my child and the owners could no recall it, I think I actually broke its jaw; the sharp cracking sound and the way it yipped as it ran away from me and its owner indicate I hurt it badly, and I don't care. So I guess this is another danger for your friendly golden retriever if you leave it unleashed.

Did you enjoy doing that? It kind of seems like you did.