WJ/BCC Fight - No racism please!

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These kids shd be spanked badly for the violence they did to each other! They shd release the names of the kids throwing punches and lose college acceptances.

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Anonymous wrote:V disgusting behavior just saw a video on DC morning news and there were stupid girls kicking some kid in the head and punching basically trying to kill the kid. These kids are horrible and awful and future dangers to society hope they get arrested or kicked out school . Parents need to raise better kids.

At least it's on the news. I know there was a WAPO article about this incident on the 3rd and I hope that they will continue to follow it.

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Anonymous wrote:There were some WJ students who left the game and went to get Chipotle. There were BCC students with them. They were surrounded and attacked by other teens. You can see this in the various videos that are out there. Some of the attackers seem to be BCC students (IDs on them, BCC shirts, etc.) but they could have been from other schools. It isn't like BCC kids hate WJ and vice versa. This is about a group where some wore ski masks and attacked another others. At 8:30 on a Friday night. Where all are kids should have felt safe getting a burrito after a football game.

I've seen this mentioned multiple times. There is no evidence that they were from other schools. Deflection.

There's a disease of the mind where people will argue against a mountain of factual evidence just to be contrary. This board is full of that. I was at rhe game. I saw the girl with braids starting problems with the wj fans. The phone chain and social media was blowing up with wj students injured and bcc students as the assailants on friday. The principal 's email makes it clear that wj students were attacked. Mcpc doesn't allow students from other schools into the games. It was absolutely bcc students and there will be arrests. Hopefully there are also Civil lawsuits.

This incident is a very big deal for MCPS and the BCC principal. The upside of all of this could be a return to violent students actually experiencing consequences.

But if MCPS and BCC drop the ball, I suspect that mayhem will become the norm in Montgomery County schools in the years ahead. And everyone with means will give up and go private, particularly in the BCC district. There's a lot riding on how MCPS and the BCC principle choose to respond to these assaults.

How is the BCC principal still there? Between this horrific incident and the lawsuit he is facing for wrongly accusing the teacher of racism before he had even conducted an investigation, he sounds just awful. So of course MCPS is keeping him.

I don’t think they parents have much say in anything that MCPS does. I mean they just brushed this entire attack under the rug with an email telling parents that they have taken care of it - and how they did so is a big secret.

BCC is a race to the bottom, thanks to MCPS administrators. Just try calling the school to ask a question. The hostility and incompetence is staggering. Now just imagine your kids dealing with that every day.

It’s incredible that the school isn’t even having a parents’ meeting about this.

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Anonymous wrote:These kids shd be spanked badly for the violence they did to each other! They shd release the names of the kids throwing punches and lose college acceptances.

Physical violence in the home is often what leads to this type of behavior in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:Dr. Mooney sent another community message last night about the two investigations (by MCPS and the police). I thought the second sentence here was interesting:

“I also spoke directly to our students to recognize the impact events like this have on their feelings of personal safety and security, while also ensuring the students that the individuals who made the unacceptable choice to engage in the violence depicted on social media would be held accountable. Those who made the choice to video and post this behavior will also be held accountable as this adds to disruption and inappropriately celebrates violence.”

Without video, of course, it would be easier to sweep under the rug...

MCPS has been embarrassed and is lashing out.

The principal is right. It is truly despicable to record this type of thing and post it on social media. It is meant to humiliate and glorify violence as well as garner views. It has nothing to to with hiding anything. Some people have very twisted minds to think the principal means to hide anything when he states that kids shouldn't be recording this kind of thing and posting it on social media. Really twisted.

Both things are valid. It's awful to record someone's trauma or humiliation for the entertainment of others, but documenting this stuff also brings serious and real problems and crimes to light. So it's a double-edged sword.

I agree with this but only if the purpose of recording it is to document the event so that those who should be punished can be identified. And if that's the case, the videos would be seen by the police and school administrators first and not immediately posted on social media. I hope those who did nothing but taped the fight just so they could get "likes" are also punished. They should be. This happened at our school last year and I told DS that if he ever taped a fight instead of going to get help, he wouldn't have a phone anymore. As a parent, I would be mortified if that was my child's choice in a situation like that.

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I think we've learned over the past several years that Good Samaritans are often prosecuted instead of criminals, so I think most parents would NOT want their kids to join a fight instead of taping it.

I tell my kids to MOVE AWAY and call 911.

Also, it looks like the BCC principal has announced the Case Closed according to his latest email tonight. No more information will be forthcoming from the school, and no one will ever know what happened to the attackers re: MoCo and schools. The police haven't completed their investigation.

No surprise there. I will make sure my kids continue their AP classes, and we are nearly done with MCPS. I wish we had moved to the Whitman district.

Don’t kid yourself. Whitman has had incidents too surrounding games.

Not really. And the only thing I can think of was with BCC students. And it wasn't particularly significant

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Anonymous wrote:There were some WJ students who left the game and went to get Chipotle. There were BCC students with them. They were surrounded and attacked by other teens. You can see this in the various videos that are out there. Some of the attackers seem to be BCC students (IDs on them, BCC shirts, etc.) but they could have been from other schools. It isn't like BCC kids hate WJ and vice versa. This is about a group where some wore ski masks and attacked another others. At 8:30 on a Friday night. Where all are kids should have felt safe getting a burrito after a football game.

I've seen this mentioned multiple times. There is no evidence that they were from other schools. Deflection.

There's a disease of the mind where people will argue against a mountain of factual evidence just to be contrary. This board is full of that. I was at rhe game. I saw the girl with braids starting problems with the wj fans. The phone chain and social media was blowing up with wj students injured and bcc students as the assailants on friday. The principal 's email makes it clear that wj students were attacked. Mcpc doesn't allow students from other schools into the games. It was absolutely bcc students and there will be arrests. Hopefully there are also Civil lawsuits.

This incident is a very big deal for MCPS and the BCC principal. The upside of all of this could be a return to violent students actually experiencing consequences.

But if MCPS and BCC drop the ball, I suspect that mayhem will become the norm in Montgomery County schools in the years ahead. And everyone with means will give up and go private, particularly in the BCC district. There's a lot riding on how MCPS and the BCC principle choose to respond to these assaults.

How is the BCC principal still there? Between this horrific incident and the lawsuit he is facing for wrongly accusing the teacher of racism before he had even conducted an investigation, he sounds just awful. So of course MCPS is keeping him.

I don’t think they parents have much say in anything that MCPS does. I mean they just brushed this entire attack under the rug with an email telling parents that they have taken care of it - and how they did so is a big secret.

BCC is a race to the bottom, thanks to MCPS administrators. Just try calling the school to ask a question. The hostility and incompetence is staggering. Now just imagine your kids dealing with that every day.

It’s incredible that the school isn’t even having a parents’ meeting about this.

This is the way it has always been in MCPS. They will cite privacy. I posted a lot years ago when my kids first complained about playground bullies seemingly getting away with repeatedly hitting kids. The more caring admin confidentially told us to send our kids to private school as they did.

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Anonymous wrote:These kids shd be spanked badly for the violence they did to each other! They shd release the names of the kids throwing punches and lose college acceptances.

We don't spank our kids. That's why they aren't thugs that express their emotions through violence.

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Anonymous wrote:12 pages of comments and feel the need to provide some actual facts: This was not a brawl, fight, or melee (as media is reporting). This was assault. This was a group of thugs laying in wait for unsuspecting WJ students so they could assault them. Use of thugs meaning violent, aggressive person, especially one who is a criminal. There were multiple assaults on multiple victims and multiple videos posted, not just the one viral group mob. These assaults were not because of the outcome of the football game. This wasn't rowdy WJ and BCC students exchanging words that ended in fist fights. This was groups of thugs, who used the game as a means to assault unsuspecting students while video tapping the assaults and posting them to social media. The assailants were from BCC and possibly some from other locations (but this is not confirmed yet). Some did not even attend the game and some were kicked out of the game (making them more fired up). There were several robberies committed that evening too. There were BCC students also assaulted by these thugs. There were students being chased by them and frantic calls to parents to be picked up. Some of the assailants had ski masks. They caused chaos in a wide urban area that the police (County and Metro) were not prepared for. There are WJ and BCC students who helped one another, tried to protect each other, and continue to reach out and support each other. There are students who ended up at the hospital. There is real student trauma and parent outrage at both schools. The assaults, batteries, robberies, chases, etc. seem random on their choice of victims, but premeditated in the sense the assailants knew they were prepared to cause harm and film it. There has been multiple BCC students suspended. It is still unclear whether, if any, criminal charges can be filed on any of the assailants who are under the age of 18 since Maryland, supposedly, has laws that makes criminal punishment difficult unless murder or rape is involved. I don't know anything about this law so I'm not stating this as fact.

Thank you for posting this. The WJ and BCC kids supporting each other sound like the kids I recognize.

I was going to come here to say that my child who attends BCC is friends with a gir (also a BCC student)l who was at the Chipotle with friends who attend WJ and was injured in the chaos as she tried to protect her friends. I also attended the game, where overall the students were well behaved and the school had clearly choreographed where everyone was sitting to keep the schools separate. This was pre-meditated acts of violence which included some kids who did not even attend the game but were looking to stir stuff up. It is upsetting and disgusting and I hope that the entire community doesn't pay for the actions of these kids by having games cancelled, moved, etc

I was at the game with my kids and as I was leaving a group of WJ kids (about 9-10 kids wearing the black outfits) were leaving saying- we're heading to the metro...let's go to the metro. I assumed when they were saying it it was how they were getting home. So there was some pre-talk about it.

Teams have dress up themes like black out, white out, wear pink for breast cancer awareness-, the players uniforms generally follow. Unfortunately in thugville, that makes it easy to identify a group. But they would be easy to identify if they were wearing just school logo tees.

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Anonymous wrote:Dr. Mooney sent another community message last night about the two investigations (by MCPS and the police). I thought the second sentence here was interesting:

“I also spoke directly to our students to recognize the impact events like this have on their feelings of personal safety and security, while also ensuring the students that the individuals who made the unacceptable choice to engage in the violence depicted on social media would be held accountable. Those who made the choice to video and post this behavior will also be held accountable as this adds to disruption and inappropriately celebrates violence.”

Without video, of course, it would be easier to sweep under the rug...

MCPS has been embarrassed and is lashing out.

The principal is right. It is truly despicable to record this type of thing and post it on social media. It is meant to humiliate and glorify violence as well as garner views. It has nothing to to with hiding anything. Some people have very twisted minds to think the principal means to hide anything when he states that kids shouldn't be recording this kind of thing and posting it on social media. Really twisted.

Both things are valid. It's awful to record someone's trauma or humiliation for the entertainment of others, but documenting this stuff also brings serious and real problems and crimes to light. So it's a double-edged sword.

I agree with this but only if the purpose of recording it is to document the event so that those who should be punished can be identified. And if that's the case, the videos would be seen by the police and school administrators first and not immediately posted on social media. I hope those who did nothing but taped the fight just so they could get "likes" are also punished. They should be. This happened at our school last year and I told DS that if he ever taped a fight instead of going to get help, he wouldn't have a phone anymore. As a parent, I would be mortified if that was my child's choice in a situation like that.

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I think we've learned over the past several years that Good Samaritans are often prosecuted instead of criminals, so I think most parents would NOT want their kids to join a fight instead of taping it.

I tell my kids to MOVE AWAY and call 911.

Also, it looks like the BCC principal has announced the Case Closed according to his latest email tonight. No more information will be forthcoming from the school, and no one will ever know what happened to the attackers re: MoCo and schools. The police haven't completed their investigation.

No surprise there. I will make sure my kids continue their AP classes, and we are nearly done with MCPS. I wish we had moved to the Whitman district.

Don’t kid yourself. Whitman has had incidents too surrounding games.

Not really. And the only thing I can think of was with BCC students. And it wasn't particularly significant

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/walt-whitman-high-school-cancels-vike-a-thon-event-after-sexual-assault-allegations-arise.amp

https://www.wusa9.com/amp/article/news/local/maryland/whitman-hs-student-arrested-for-hitting-classmate-with-frying-pan/65-e54ca30c-f473-4c0f-959a-408c8a335e22

https://theblackandwhite.net/70424/news/whitman-student-in-custody-after-assault-of-female-churchill-student/

https://moco360.media/2019/09/16/police-say-student-at-whitman-high-arrested-after-hitting-another-student-with-frying-pan/

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Anonymous wrote:12 pages of comments and feel the need to provide some actual facts: This was not a brawl, fight, or melee (as media is reporting). This was assault. This was a group of thugs laying in wait for unsuspecting WJ students so they could assault them. Use of thugs meaning violent, aggressive person, especially one who is a criminal. There were multiple assaults on multiple victims and multiple videos posted, not just the one viral group mob. These assaults were not because of the outcome of the football game. This wasn't rowdy WJ and BCC students exchanging words that ended in fist fights. This was groups of thugs, who used the game as a means to assault unsuspecting students while video tapping the assaults and posting them to social media. The assailants were from BCC and possibly some from other locations (but this is not confirmed yet). Some did not even attend the game and some were kicked out of the game (making them more fired up). There were several robberies committed that evening too. There were BCC students also assaulted by these thugs. There were students being chased by them and frantic calls to parents to be picked up. Some of the assailants had ski masks. They caused chaos in a wide urban area that the police (County and Metro) were not prepared for. There are WJ and BCC students who helped one another, tried to protect each other, and continue to reach out and support each other. There are students who ended up at the hospital. There is real student trauma and parent outrage at both schools. The assaults, batteries, robberies, chases, etc. seem random on their choice of victims, but premeditated in the sense the assailants knew they were prepared to cause harm and film it. There has been multiple BCC students suspended. It is still unclear whether, if any, criminal charges can be filed on any of the assailants who are under the age of 18 since Maryland, supposedly, has laws that makes criminal punishment difficult unless murder or rape is involved. I don't know anything about this law so I'm not stating this as fact.

Thank you for posting this. The WJ and BCC kids supporting each other sound like the kids I recognize.

I was going to come here to say that my child who attends BCC is friends with a gir (also a BCC student)l who was at the Chipotle with friends who attend WJ and was injured in the chaos as she tried to protect her friends. I also attended the game, where overall the students were well behaved and the school had clearly choreographed where everyone was sitting to keep the schools separate. This was pre-meditated acts of violence which included some kids who did not even attend the game but were looking to stir stuff up. It is upsetting and disgusting and I hope that the entire community doesn't pay for the actions of these kids by having games cancelled, moved, etc

I was at the game with my kids and as I was leaving a group of WJ kids (about 9-10 kids wearing the black outfits) were leaving saying- we're heading to the metro...let's go to the metro. I assumed when they were saying it it was how they were getting home. So there was some pre-talk about it.

Teams have dress up themes like black out, white out, wear pink for breast cancer awareness-, the players uniforms generally follow. Unfortunately in thugville, that makes it easy to identify a group. But they would be easy to identify if they were wearing just school logo tees.

Do "thugs" generally wear the team-spirit dress-up themes?

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Anonymous wrote:These kids shd be spanked badly for the violence they did to each other! They shd release the names of the kids throwing punches and lose college acceptances.

Physical violence in the home is often what leads to this type of behavior in the first place.

+1 And school is where we can show them that it's not allowed through "teaching moments" involving consequences they'll remember.

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Anonymous wrote:These kids shd be spanked badly for the violence they did to each other! They shd release the names of the kids throwing punches and lose college acceptances.

We don't spank our kids. That's why they aren't thugs that express their emotions through violence.

Spankings not appropriate at all, but a significant consequence should be given.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe
they wrote "teachable moment" in the communication. It's really disrespectful to the students injured and traumatized

What's a lifelong head trauma, possible seizures and debilitating brain injury, not to mention emotional trauma and PTSD, if it makes a couple dysfunctional kids do some reflecting after they curb stomped a kid? Totally fair trade (sarcasm, if that's not obvious. Whoever wrote that phrase is sick and totally lacking in empathy)

Nobody has a debilitating brain injury.

It’s a teachable moment to not fight. Not go towards s fight. Not stay at a fight going on. Learning to walk away from a fight is a teachable moment.

Seriously? Just a fight? What kind of kid fights by kicking and pummeling someone on the ground. Being kicked in the head is not how kids fight in the schools where I've worked. They know they'll be suspended or expelled.

Yes Pollyanna 90% of fights go to the ground.

If the boy on the ground has injuries there will be a charge.

But yes, it was a fight.

A fight involves 2 people or more. That was an assault

Yet everyone in the know calls it a fight.

Oh, you’ve definitely proven there are no possible assault charges

That’s not true and that not what has been said.

What was said is it was a fight, at some point in the fight it can be considered assault, for example if someone tries to retreat and they are chased.

The kid on the ground might be a victim of assault, if he was not an aggressor. If there is video of him being an aggressor there is an argument that the person kicking was afraid if he got up there feared he would assault them.

Nobody knows. That’s the point.

Teens lie, rich parents lawyer up, nobody knows yet.

Wait for the police report.

But at this point not 1 person (except parents) have called the incident an assault.

What we do know is that it was a fight.

holy h*ll, everyone except you who has seen that video thinks it was an assault. I served on a jury with exactly the scenario you are claiming: two guys kicking one guy in the head, trying to claim self defense. we had zero problems convicting for aggravated assault. it does not matter what happened to get to that point - you cannot team up and kick someone in the head on the ground and claim self defense. btw the head injuries were severe - weeks in ICU and permanent brain damage. Shame on you for trying to excuse such a potentially dangerous assault.

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Anonymous wrote:These kids shd be spanked badly for the violence they did to each other! They shd release the names of the kids throwing punches and lose college acceptances.

We don't spank our kids. That's why they aren't thugs that express their emotions through violence.

That might be part of it, but a bigger part is unaddressed developmental issues like ADHD, FAS, oppositional disorder, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:These kids shd be spanked badly for the violence they did to each other! They shd release the names of the kids throwing punches and lose college acceptances.

We don't spank our kids. That's why they aren't thugs that express their emotions through violence.

That might be part of it, but a bigger part is unaddressed developmental issues like ADHD, FAS, oppositional disorder, etc.

Nah. I have two sons with adhd and asd. One with odd too. Neither has ever assaulted anyone. In fact one was physically attacked at school and didn't fight back. Watch the girl throwing hands in the video. That's not the first time she's been in a fight. Sone families allow it, some even encourage it.