controversial opinions about college

[Anonymous]

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Schools should disclose average Test Scores and GPAs of students by race/ethnicity, and disclose the average Test Scores and GPAs of students that they declined by race/ethnicity.

Is there a reason you only focus on race? Why not include HHI, athletic recruits and legacy students? While we're this silly business, why not gender, sexual identity, geographic location, hobbies/talents, majors etc - you know all the things schools consider when selecting their class.

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Private vs public
Kids with parents that went to college vs not
Kids with tutors vs those without
Kids that superscore vs those that don’t
Hours of test prep vs none

And the type of private. Like Paul VI vs Exeter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges should have to reveal stats of recruited athletes, legacy admits, and deans list admits, There’s a reason Harvard disn’t wanr people seeing that information.

Legacy at most schools would not move the needle. Recruited athletes, it depends on the school. Ivy not really at all. They will have lower recruits but the average will be pretty close.

Two kids with the same stats and resume but one is a legacy. Legacy gets in, not the other. How is that not moving the needle?

[Anonymous]

That hiring a college counselor is worth it to keep my kid on track and be less stressed. This feels like it supposed to be my job as a parent. Outcomes aside, I feel like we have to go through this process together, talk through choices, and listen to each other (and sure it might be painful, but it feels like that is what parenting is supposed to be).

I also fully admit some kid with a counselor will do “better” than mine will but I still want to be the one going through it with my kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That hiring a college counselor is worth it to keep my kid on track and be less stressed. This feels like it supposed to be my job as a parent. Outcomes aside, I feel like we have to go through this process together, talk through choices, and listen to each other (and sure it might be painful, but it feels like that is what parenting is supposed to be).

I also fully admit some kid with a counselor will do “better” than mine will but I still want to be the one going through it with my kid.

Have you been through it with your kid? It’s more emotional than you think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That hiring a college counselor is worth it to keep my kid on track and be less stressed. This feels like it supposed to be my job as a parent. Outcomes aside, I feel like we have to go through this process together, talk through choices, and listen to each other (and sure it might be painful, but it feels like that is what parenting is supposed to be).

I also fully admit some kid with a counselor will do “better” than mine will but I still want to be the one going through it with my kid.

Have you been through it with your kid? It’s more emotional than you think.

I have been through it. but still have another.

[Anonymous]

"Schools should disclose average Test Scores and GPAs of students by race/ethnicity, and disclose the average Test Scores and GPAs of students that they declined by race/ethnicity."

Just go look up the District Court opinion in the Hopwood case. They lay out the scores, schools, GPAs of the applicants of color and the White plaintiffs. The White plaintiffs were not impressive and the students of color had overcome lots of barriers yet had scores/GPAs/quality of undergrad schools that were in the same range as the more privileged White plaintiffs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you're old enough to go in the military, you should be allowed to drink alcohol.

What does this have to do with college?
And this is actually a rather popular opinion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:95% of jobs don't require a college education.

Marketing? Sales? Accounts Payable/Receivable? HR? Those types of positions, nah, college doesn't teach you anything you can't learn on the job in a week or so.

Medicine, the law, finance (like a cpa, accountants), teachers... yeah, those should require a degree.

We got to this college loan debt place in the world because society pushed everyone to go to college and then when they graduated, jobs changed so that every position required a degree. Made people feel important! Ooo ahhh.

The facilities operations manager at my work is a college degree required position. Stupid. He makes sure the building is in working order and schedules all maintenance. You don't need a degree for that job and the fact that one is required is a ducking joke.

Same with sales. You're either a salesman or not. You learn by doing it. My college's business degree required us to take Business Golf. If you didn't have your own clubs, which were STRONGLY encouraged (and sold through the university), you could rent them for $40/class (so $80/week). I'm in a csuite and I've yet to do any business dealings on a ducking golf course.

Yeah I disagree
College is an extra 2-6 years of actually using one’s brain in a fairly safe environment with honest and more or less complete feedback.
One can tell of someone went to college or not. It’s useful for overall knowledge base and also for thinking patterns

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most “perfect”/stellar applicants have cheated in academics, athletics, or both. And often with the help of their parents.

I don't think cheating is any more rampant in this cohort than most others. Maybe not the low achievers who DGAF.

Cheated? How?

On tests, assignments, papers, by bringing alcohol to parties to lobby for votes for leadership roles, in sports… I mean there are tons of opportunities. Especially during Covid. Plenty of parents did their kids tests and papers. Lots of high pressure families seized the opportunity to get a leg up on competitive admissions. Now their kids are at Harvard, Yale, Duke, UVA, Michigan and the like where they’ll continue to cheat to get ahead then cheat in their careers and take advantage of others. Cycle of American life.

DP. IMHO no harm done unless the cheater comes out truly incompetent in some critical field like medicine.
But it doesn’t matter whether Joe or Jill get a fancy degree in marketing. In the overall order of things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Schools should disclose average Test Scores and GPAs of students by race/ethnicity, and disclose the average Test Scores and GPAs of students that they declined by race/ethnicity."

Just go look up the District Court opinion in the Hopwood case. They lay out the scores, schools, GPAs of the applicants of color and the White plaintiffs. The White plaintiffs were not impressive and the students of color had overcome lots of barriers yet had scores/GPAs/quality of undergrad schools that were in the same range as the more privileged White plaintiffs.

I know 1994 seems like yesterday, but it’s not. The big push for minority and first gen students came much later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That hiring a college counselor is worth it to keep my kid on track and be less stressed. This feels like it supposed to be my job as a parent. Outcomes aside, I feel like we have to go through this process together, talk through choices, and listen to each other (and sure it might be painful, but it feels like that is what parenting is supposed to be).

I also fully admit some kid with a counselor will do “better” than mine will but I still want to be the one going through it with my kid.

Have you been through it with your kid? It’s more emotional than you think.

I have been through it. but still have another.

I’ve been through it. I didn’t find it emotional. I found it annoying actually. Like what takes so long for MCPS to send the transcript? Why is naviance so bad? Emotional? No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Schools should disclose average Test Scores and GPAs of students by race/ethnicity, and disclose the average Test Scores and GPAs of students that they declined by race/ethnicity.

Is there a reason you only focus on race? Why not include HHI, athletic recruits and legacy students? While we're this silly business, why not gender, sexual identity, geographic location, hobbies/talents, majors etc - you know all the things schools consider when selecting their class.

Yes, how about they include level of prep (including AOPS, A++, Hopkins CTY, magnet programs, etc over the years)? That would be the most telling.

That other post is really racist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most “perfect”/stellar applicants have cheated in academics, athletics, or both. And often with the help of their parents.

I don't think cheating is any more rampant in this cohort than most others. Maybe not the low achievers who DGAF.

Cheated? How?

On tests, assignments, papers, by bringing alcohol to parties to lobby for votes for leadership roles, in sports… I mean there are tons of opportunities. Especially during Covid. Plenty of parents did their kids tests and papers. Lots of high pressure families seized the opportunity to get a leg up on competitive admissions. Now their kids are at Harvard, Yale, Duke, UVA, Michigan and the like where they’ll continue to cheat to get ahead then cheat in their careers and take advantage of others. Cycle of American life.

DP. IMHO no harm done unless the cheater comes out truly incompetent in some critical field like medicine.
But it doesn’t matter whether Joe or Jill get a fancy degree in marketing. In the overall order of things.

No harm done? How about the kids who didn't cheat and didn't get a spot. The laissez-faire attitude towards cheating by some on this board is a sad indicator for society. Who cares if my unethical behavior hurts other kids as long as mine gets ahead? This feels almost Trumpian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Despite all the people who love to virtue signal and preach to the contrary, prestige matters. Attending an elite school can change the trajectory of one's life in huge and little ways.

yeah, no, it does not, I met people that went to ivy league both undergrad and grad, have similar rates of divorce, disease, financial limitations as the ones that did not, of course matching on socio-economic, doctors to doctors, lawyers to lawyers
your one sentence credo is 100% bs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Despite all the people who love to virtue signal and preach to the contrary, prestige matters. Attending an elite school can change the trajectory of one's life in huge and little ways.

yeah, no, it does not, I met people that went to ivy league both undergrad and grad, have similar rates of divorce, disease, financial limitations as the ones that did not, of course matching on socio-economic, doctors to doctors, lawyers to lawyers
your one sentence credo is 100% bs

The only thing going to an elite school does is turn you into a person who makes you want to talk about how you went to an elite school.

Ex., Everyone who went to Stanford constantly wants to talks about how they went to Stanford.