Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!
Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.
Its not a cold. Grow up already.
It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.
I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.
You were fortunate, not my experience at all.
I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.
I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.
I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.
From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…
What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.
There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.
Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.
You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.
Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.
We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.
Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.
I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.
If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.
No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...
This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.
If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?
No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.
You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?
There is not high immunity.
Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.
The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.
That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.
But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.
The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.
Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.
Might? They already have.
There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.
It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.
Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?
If you knew you were exposed, why not test?
For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!
That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.
DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.
I really can’t tell what these people are hoping to achieve with masking, quarantines, and other restrictive policies. I don’t think they’ve been able to come to terms with the fact that covid is never going away.
Add to that the fact that outside of school settings, people are going on with their lives. The airports are 99% unmasked. I think two people on my flight yesterday were wearing masks (and not even properly). People are over it.
All the more reason to mask. You may be over covid, but covid isn't done with us and will not be if we continue to go as we are. Those 99% are why its still an issue and why we aren't getting through this better.
What are we hoping to achieve? Not getting covid every few months and being sick. You can move on with your life with covid or even a cold for the week or two you have it. Well, you can because you only care about yourself....
I’m the PP who pointed out that insisting that decent people will want endless covid restrictions backfired (and continues to). You are fundamentally misinformed if you think that we can control covid alone through behavioral restrictions. This isn’t April 2020. The reality is that we have vaccines that are extraordinarily effective at keeping people out of the hospital and dying. We have an antiviral that is outstanding at preventing severe illness in those unvaccinated. We have a prophylactic that can reduce severity in those at high risk for that.
The goal was never zero covid. That never will be the goal. Most people aren’t getting covid every few months or anything like that frequency. If YOU want to mask indefinitely, that’s your prerogative. At this point, forcing everyone else to do that won’t achieve anything other than hardening opposition to extreme restrictions.
No one is expecting zero covid but some of us don't want covid multiple times a year from someone like you who wouldn't think twice about spreading it. We have not had any restrictions. Masking is a precaution, not a restriction. Kids cannot learn when they are sick. Teachers cannot teach when they are sick.
What antivirals? They are clearly only for the privileged like you as when I got covid with health issues I was refused. I was told to go to the ER if things get bad enough and by that time it would have been to late.
Vaccines aren't stopping transmission.
I don't care about hospitalizations. I care about transmission.
Many are getting covid multiple times. If you have not, you've been lucky.
Your fear of of a mild illness doesn’t justify forcing your will on others. Presumably you realize you hold a fringe position, with even the CDC acknowledging that surveillance testing and quarantines aren’t sustainable or necessary.
This next study is a warning that repeated infections could produce similar outcomes, since we already know mild covid causes brain damage. Analyzing the most vulnerable populations is a good indicator of what to avoid.
But if you don't care, that's fine. But if you don't care, then why are you reading this? Wouldn't it be better if you ignored it and moved onto another thread? I'm curious why you feel the need to express your opinion when you know it makes you upset that people aren't agreeing with your point of view?
Why are you posting when you can clearly see the general public and public health officials don’t think disruptive Covid policies are appropriate anymore? Don’t you have a brick wall you could shout at?
All the studies indicate otherwise. The problem is the anti-science crowd tends to be loud and violent so many just cater to them.
I don’t know about anti-science, but I do know they/we are an overwhelming majority.
A vocal but small minority that is dangerously misinformed
Look again at what the experts are saying now. Covid is here to stay, and they know it doesn’t make sense to continue universal masking and quarantines in schools (or anywhere else).
They know it doesn't make sense to have teachers in classrooms, bus drivers, or students in schools. As long as schools are ****open**** it doesn't matter if they are actually functioning. MCPS couldn't function this summer, they won't be able to function at the end of the month when they open again.
People who are sick don't work, can't drive buses and students don't learn. But the word ****open**** is so much more important than students getting an actual education.
Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!
Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.
Its not a cold. Grow up already.
It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.
I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.
You were fortunate, not my experience at all.
I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.
I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.
I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.
From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…
What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.
There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.
Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.
You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.
Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.
We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.
Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.
I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.
If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.
No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...
This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.
If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?
No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.
You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?
There is not high immunity.
Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.
The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.
That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.
But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.
The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.
Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.
Might? They already have.
There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.
It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.
Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?
If you knew you were exposed, why not test?
For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!
That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.
DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.
I really can’t tell what these people are hoping to achieve with masking, quarantines, and other restrictive policies. I don’t think they’ve been able to come to terms with the fact that covid is never going away.
Add to that the fact that outside of school settings, people are going on with their lives. The airports are 99% unmasked. I think two people on my flight yesterday were wearing masks (and not even properly). People are over it.
All the more reason to mask. You may be over covid, but covid isn't done with us and will not be if we continue to go as we are. Those 99% are why its still an issue and why we aren't getting through this better.
What are we hoping to achieve? Not getting covid every few months and being sick. You can move on with your life with covid or even a cold for the week or two you have it. Well, you can because you only care about yourself....
I’m the PP who pointed out that insisting that decent people will want endless covid restrictions backfired (and continues to). You are fundamentally misinformed if you think that we can control covid alone through behavioral restrictions. This isn’t April 2020. The reality is that we have vaccines that are extraordinarily effective at keeping people out of the hospital and dying. We have an antiviral that is outstanding at preventing severe illness in those unvaccinated. We have a prophylactic that can reduce severity in those at high risk for that.
The goal was never zero covid. That never will be the goal. Most people aren’t getting covid every few months or anything like that frequency. If YOU want to mask indefinitely, that’s your prerogative. At this point, forcing everyone else to do that won’t achieve anything other than hardening opposition to extreme restrictions.
No one is expecting zero covid but some of us don't want covid multiple times a year from someone like you who wouldn't think twice about spreading it. We have not had any restrictions. Masking is a precaution, not a restriction. Kids cannot learn when they are sick. Teachers cannot teach when they are sick.
What antivirals? They are clearly only for the privileged like you as when I got covid with health issues I was refused. I was told to go to the ER if things get bad enough and by that time it would have been to late.
Vaccines aren't stopping transmission.
I don't care about hospitalizations. I care about transmission.
Many are getting covid multiple times. If you have not, you've been lucky.
Your fear of of a mild illness doesn’t justify forcing your will on others. Presumably you realize you hold a fringe position, with even the CDC acknowledging that surveillance testing and quarantines aren’t sustainable or necessary.
This next study is a warning that repeated infections could produce similar outcomes, since we already know mild covid causes brain damage. Analyzing the most vulnerable populations is a good indicator of what to avoid.
But if you don't care, that's fine. But if you don't care, then why are you reading this? Wouldn't it be better if you ignored it and moved onto another thread? I'm curious why you feel the need to express your opinion when you know it makes you upset that people aren't agreeing with your point of view?
Why are you posting when you can clearly see the general public and public health officials don’t think disruptive Covid policies are appropriate anymore? Don’t you have a brick wall you could shout at?
All the studies indicate otherwise. The problem is the anti-science crowd tends to be loud and violent so many just cater to them.
I don’t know about anti-science, but I do know they/we are an overwhelming majority.
A vocal but small minority that is dangerously misinformed
Look again at what the experts are saying now. Covid is here to stay, and they know it doesn’t make sense to continue universal masking and quarantines in schools (or anywhere else).
They know it doesn't make sense to have teachers in classrooms, bus drivers, or students in schools. As long as schools are ****open**** it doesn't matter if they are actually functioning. MCPS couldn't function this summer, they won't be able to function at the end of the month when they open again.
People who are sick don't work, can't drive buses and students don't learn. But the word ****open**** is so much more important than students getting an actual education.
lol. You still want schools to close?! And you think they're going to be the only service-oriented sector unable to "function"?
Do you get out much? You're an interesting enigma to me. I wish I knew more about you. Not because it would actually change anything, but simply because I can't wrap my head around what would make someone think like you do. Particularly anyone with school-aged kids.
Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!
Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.
Its not a cold. Grow up already.
It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.
I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.
You were fortunate, not my experience at all.
I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.
I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.
I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.
From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…
What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.
There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.
Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.
You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.
Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.
We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.
Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.
I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.
If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.
No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...
This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.
If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?
No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.
You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?
There is not high immunity.
Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.
The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.
That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.
But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.
The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.
Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.
Might? They already have.
There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.
It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.
Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?
If you knew you were exposed, why not test?
For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!
That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.
DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.
I really can’t tell what these people are hoping to achieve with masking, quarantines, and other restrictive policies. I don’t think they’ve been able to come to terms with the fact that covid is never going away.
Add to that the fact that outside of school settings, people are going on with their lives. The airports are 99% unmasked. I think two people on my flight yesterday were wearing masks (and not even properly). People are over it.
All the more reason to mask. You may be over covid, but covid isn't done with us and will not be if we continue to go as we are. Those 99% are why its still an issue and why we aren't getting through this better.
What are we hoping to achieve? Not getting covid every few months and being sick. You can move on with your life with covid or even a cold for the week or two you have it. Well, you can because you only care about yourself....
I’m the PP who pointed out that insisting that decent people will want endless covid restrictions backfired (and continues to). You are fundamentally misinformed if you think that we can control covid alone through behavioral restrictions. This isn’t April 2020. The reality is that we have vaccines that are extraordinarily effective at keeping people out of the hospital and dying. We have an antiviral that is outstanding at preventing severe illness in those unvaccinated. We have a prophylactic that can reduce severity in those at high risk for that.
The goal was never zero covid. That never will be the goal. Most people aren’t getting covid every few months or anything like that frequency. If YOU want to mask indefinitely, that’s your prerogative. At this point, forcing everyone else to do that won’t achieve anything other than hardening opposition to extreme restrictions.
No one is expecting zero covid but some of us don't want covid multiple times a year from someone like you who wouldn't think twice about spreading it. We have not had any restrictions. Masking is a precaution, not a restriction. Kids cannot learn when they are sick. Teachers cannot teach when they are sick.
What antivirals? They are clearly only for the privileged like you as when I got covid with health issues I was refused. I was told to go to the ER if things get bad enough and by that time it would have been to late.
Vaccines aren't stopping transmission.
I don't care about hospitalizations. I care about transmission.
Many are getting covid multiple times. If you have not, you've been lucky.
Your fear of of a mild illness doesn’t justify forcing your will on others. Presumably you realize you hold a fringe position, with even the CDC acknowledging that surveillance testing and quarantines aren’t sustainable or necessary.
This next study is a warning that repeated infections could produce similar outcomes, since we already know mild covid causes brain damage. Analyzing the most vulnerable populations is a good indicator of what to avoid.
But if you don't care, that's fine. But if you don't care, then why are you reading this? Wouldn't it be better if you ignored it and moved onto another thread? I'm curious why you feel the need to express your opinion when you know it makes you upset that people aren't agreeing with your point of view?
Why are you posting when you can clearly see the general public and public health officials don’t think disruptive Covid policies are appropriate anymore? Don’t you have a brick wall you could shout at?
You still didn't answer the question. Why are you still reading this? Wouldn't it be better if you ignored it and moved onto another thread? Why do you need to force your opinion on people like me who don't agree with your point of view? We know covid causes damage to respiratory and circulatory, and the damage does appear to be cumulative. Knowing this, what harm is there in masking? Why are you so offended by it?
The way you use the "bandwagon" logic fallacy is very telling. I think it's because deep down you know we're right, so you feel the need to express that everyone else is doing what you are. I think your sense of guilt is keeping you here, knowing you're exposing your own children or perhaps friends and family.
There's really nothing that can help you. You just need to come to terms with the decisions you've made and the guilt you feel. But at least try to have an open mind about the opinions of others. Let them express their opinions and, who knows, you may learn something from their point of view.
Why do you think this thread belongs to the small group of people that refuse to listen to the CDC and public health experts saying it’s time to move on to more sustainable practices, since we know covid isn’t going to go away?
That's not what they're saying at all. Reading comprehension really matters...
"Persons can use information about the current level of COVID-19 impact on their community to decide which prevention behaviors to use and when (at all times or at specific times), based on their own risk for severe illness and that of members of their household, their risk tolerance, and setting-specific factors."
You forgot to quote this from the same section you quoted above:
“At the high COVID-19 Community Level, additional recommendations focus on all persons wearing masks indoors in public and further increasing protection to populations at high risk“
That doesn't refute what PP said. CDC, in effect, DID say it's time to move to more sustainable practices. Aside, MoCo is currently Medium on the razor edge of hitting Low.
Still HIGH on the CDC COVID map. Time to get your eyes checked.
Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!
Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.
Its not a cold. Grow up already.
It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.
I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.
You were fortunate, not my experience at all.
I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.
I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.
I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.
From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…
What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.
There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.
Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.
You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.
Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.
We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.
Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.
I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.
If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.
No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...
This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.
If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?
No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.
You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?
There is not high immunity.
Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.
The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.
That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.
But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.
The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.
Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.
Might? They already have.
There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.
It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.
Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?
If you knew you were exposed, why not test?
For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!
That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.
DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.
I really can’t tell what these people are hoping to achieve with masking, quarantines, and other restrictive policies. I don’t think they’ve been able to come to terms with the fact that covid is never going away.
Add to that the fact that outside of school settings, people are going on with their lives. The airports are 99% unmasked. I think two people on my flight yesterday were wearing masks (and not even properly). People are over it.
All the more reason to mask. You may be over covid, but covid isn't done with us and will not be if we continue to go as we are. Those 99% are why its still an issue and why we aren't getting through this better.
What are we hoping to achieve? Not getting covid every few months and being sick. You can move on with your life with covid or even a cold for the week or two you have it. Well, you can because you only care about yourself....
I’m the PP who pointed out that insisting that decent people will want endless covid restrictions backfired (and continues to). You are fundamentally misinformed if you think that we can control covid alone through behavioral restrictions. This isn’t April 2020. The reality is that we have vaccines that are extraordinarily effective at keeping people out of the hospital and dying. We have an antiviral that is outstanding at preventing severe illness in those unvaccinated. We have a prophylactic that can reduce severity in those at high risk for that.
The goal was never zero covid. That never will be the goal. Most people aren’t getting covid every few months or anything like that frequency. If YOU want to mask indefinitely, that’s your prerogative. At this point, forcing everyone else to do that won’t achieve anything other than hardening opposition to extreme restrictions.
No one is expecting zero covid but some of us don't want covid multiple times a year from someone like you who wouldn't think twice about spreading it. We have not had any restrictions. Masking is a precaution, not a restriction. Kids cannot learn when they are sick. Teachers cannot teach when they are sick.
What antivirals? They are clearly only for the privileged like you as when I got covid with health issues I was refused. I was told to go to the ER if things get bad enough and by that time it would have been to late.
Vaccines aren't stopping transmission.
I don't care about hospitalizations. I care about transmission.
Many are getting covid multiple times. If you have not, you've been lucky.
Your fear of of a mild illness doesn’t justify forcing your will on others. Presumably you realize you hold a fringe position, with even the CDC acknowledging that surveillance testing and quarantines aren’t sustainable or necessary.
This next study is a warning that repeated infections could produce similar outcomes, since we already know mild covid causes brain damage. Analyzing the most vulnerable populations is a good indicator of what to avoid.
But if you don't care, that's fine. But if you don't care, then why are you reading this? Wouldn't it be better if you ignored it and moved onto another thread? I'm curious why you feel the need to express your opinion when you know it makes you upset that people aren't agreeing with your point of view?
Why are you posting when you can clearly see the general public and public health officials don’t think disruptive Covid policies are appropriate anymore? Don’t you have a brick wall you could shout at?
You still didn't answer the question. Why are you still reading this? Wouldn't it be better if you ignored it and moved onto another thread? Why do you need to force your opinion on people like me who don't agree with your point of view? We know covid causes damage to respiratory and circulatory, and the damage does appear to be cumulative. Knowing this, what harm is there in masking? Why are you so offended by it?
The way you use the "bandwagon" logic fallacy is very telling. I think it's because deep down you know we're right, so you feel the need to express that everyone else is doing what you are. I think your sense of guilt is keeping you here, knowing you're exposing your own children or perhaps friends and family.
There's really nothing that can help you. You just need to come to terms with the decisions you've made and the guilt you feel. But at least try to have an open mind about the opinions of others. Let them express their opinions and, who knows, you may learn something from their point of view.
Why do you think this thread belongs to the small group of people that refuse to listen to the CDC and public health experts saying it’s time to move on to more sustainable practices, since we know covid isn’t going to go away?
That's not what they're saying at all. Reading comprehension really matters...
"Persons can use information about the current level of COVID-19 impact on their community to decide which prevention behaviors to use and when (at all times or at specific times), based on their own risk for severe illness and that of members of their household, their risk tolerance, and setting-specific factors."
You forgot to quote this from the same section you quoted above:
“At the high COVID-19 Community Level, additional recommendations focus on all persons wearing masks indoors in public and further increasing protection to populations at high risk“
Sure. Made masks a recommendation for everyone while we're at High. Not a prerequisite for getting an education.
Though, according to the MoCo dashboard, which is updated more frequently than CDC's, we're back at Medium.
Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!
Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.
Its not a cold. Grow up already.
It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.
I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.
You were fortunate, not my experience at all.
I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.
I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.
I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.
From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…
What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.
There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.
Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.
You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.
Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.
We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.
Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.
I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.
If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.
No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...
This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.
If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?
No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.
You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?
There is not high immunity.
Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.
The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.
That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.
But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.
The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.
Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.
Might? They already have.
There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.
It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.
Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?
If you knew you were exposed, why not test?
For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!
That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.
DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.
I really can’t tell what these people are hoping to achieve with masking, quarantines, and other restrictive policies. I don’t think they’ve been able to come to terms with the fact that covid is never going away.
Add to that the fact that outside of school settings, people are going on with their lives. The airports are 99% unmasked. I think two people on my flight yesterday were wearing masks (and not even properly). People are over it.
All the more reason to mask. You may be over covid, but covid isn't done with us and will not be if we continue to go as we are. Those 99% are why its still an issue and why we aren't getting through this better.
What are we hoping to achieve? Not getting covid every few months and being sick. You can move on with your life with covid or even a cold for the week or two you have it. Well, you can because you only care about yourself....
I’m the PP who pointed out that insisting that decent people will want endless covid restrictions backfired (and continues to). You are fundamentally misinformed if you think that we can control covid alone through behavioral restrictions. This isn’t April 2020. The reality is that we have vaccines that are extraordinarily effective at keeping people out of the hospital and dying. We have an antiviral that is outstanding at preventing severe illness in those unvaccinated. We have a prophylactic that can reduce severity in those at high risk for that.
The goal was never zero covid. That never will be the goal. Most people aren’t getting covid every few months or anything like that frequency. If YOU want to mask indefinitely, that’s your prerogative. At this point, forcing everyone else to do that won’t achieve anything other than hardening opposition to extreme restrictions.
No one is expecting zero covid but some of us don't want covid multiple times a year from someone like you who wouldn't think twice about spreading it. We have not had any restrictions. Masking is a precaution, not a restriction. Kids cannot learn when they are sick. Teachers cannot teach when they are sick.
What antivirals? They are clearly only for the privileged like you as when I got covid with health issues I was refused. I was told to go to the ER if things get bad enough and by that time it would have been to late.
Vaccines aren't stopping transmission.
I don't care about hospitalizations. I care about transmission.
Many are getting covid multiple times. If you have not, you've been lucky.
Your fear of of a mild illness doesn’t justify forcing your will on others. Presumably you realize you hold a fringe position, with even the CDC acknowledging that surveillance testing and quarantines aren’t sustainable or necessary.
This next study is a warning that repeated infections could produce similar outcomes, since we already know mild covid causes brain damage. Analyzing the most vulnerable populations is a good indicator of what to avoid.
But if you don't care, that's fine. But if you don't care, then why are you reading this? Wouldn't it be better if you ignored it and moved onto another thread? I'm curious why you feel the need to express your opinion when you know it makes you upset that people aren't agreeing with your point of view?
Why are you posting when you can clearly see the general public and public health officials don’t think disruptive Covid policies are appropriate anymore? Don’t you have a brick wall you could shout at?
You still didn't answer the question. Why are you still reading this? Wouldn't it be better if you ignored it and moved onto another thread? Why do you need to force your opinion on people like me who don't agree with your point of view? We know covid causes damage to respiratory and circulatory, and the damage does appear to be cumulative. Knowing this, what harm is there in masking? Why are you so offended by it?
The way you use the "bandwagon" logic fallacy is very telling. I think it's because deep down you know we're right, so you feel the need to express that everyone else is doing what you are. I think your sense of guilt is keeping you here, knowing you're exposing your own children or perhaps friends and family.
There's really nothing that can help you. You just need to come to terms with the decisions you've made and the guilt you feel. But at least try to have an open mind about the opinions of others. Let them express their opinions and, who knows, you may learn something from their point of view.
Why do you think this thread belongs to the small group of people that refuse to listen to the CDC and public health experts saying it’s time to move on to more sustainable practices, since we know covid isn’t going to go away?
That's not what they're saying at all. Reading comprehension really matters...
"Persons can use information about the current level of COVID-19 impact on their community to decide which prevention behaviors to use and when (at all times or at specific times), based on their own risk for severe illness and that of members of their household, their risk tolerance, and setting-specific factors."
You forgot to quote this from the same section you quoted above:
“At the high COVID-19 Community Level, additional recommendations focus on all persons wearing masks indoors in public and further increasing protection to populations at high risk“
That doesn't refute what PP said. CDC, in effect, DID say it's time to move to more sustainable practices. Aside, MoCo is currently Medium on the razor edge of hitting Low.
Still HIGH on the CDC COVID map. Time to get your eyes checked.
You really struggle to navigate the new normal, don't you?
Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!
Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.
Its not a cold. Grow up already.
It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.
I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.
You were fortunate, not my experience at all.
I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.
I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.
I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.
From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…
What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.
There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.
Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.
You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.
Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.
We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.
Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.
I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.
If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.
No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...
This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.
If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?
No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.
You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?
There is not high immunity.
Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.
The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.
That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.
But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.
The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.
Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.
Might? They already have.
There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.
It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.
Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?
If you knew you were exposed, why not test?
For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!
That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.
DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.
I really can’t tell what these people are hoping to achieve with masking, quarantines, and other restrictive policies. I don’t think they’ve been able to come to terms with the fact that covid is never going away.
Add to that the fact that outside of school settings, people are going on with their lives. The airports are 99% unmasked. I think two people on my flight yesterday were wearing masks (and not even properly). People are over it.
All the more reason to mask. You may be over covid, but covid isn't done with us and will not be if we continue to go as we are. Those 99% are why its still an issue and why we aren't getting through this better.
What are we hoping to achieve? Not getting covid every few months and being sick. You can move on with your life with covid or even a cold for the week or two you have it. Well, you can because you only care about yourself....
I’m the PP who pointed out that insisting that decent people will want endless covid restrictions backfired (and continues to). You are fundamentally misinformed if you think that we can control covid alone through behavioral restrictions. This isn’t April 2020. The reality is that we have vaccines that are extraordinarily effective at keeping people out of the hospital and dying. We have an antiviral that is outstanding at preventing severe illness in those unvaccinated. We have a prophylactic that can reduce severity in those at high risk for that.
The goal was never zero covid. That never will be the goal. Most people aren’t getting covid every few months or anything like that frequency. If YOU want to mask indefinitely, that’s your prerogative. At this point, forcing everyone else to do that won’t achieve anything other than hardening opposition to extreme restrictions.
No one is expecting zero covid but some of us don't want covid multiple times a year from someone like you who wouldn't think twice about spreading it. We have not had any restrictions. Masking is a precaution, not a restriction. Kids cannot learn when they are sick. Teachers cannot teach when they are sick.
What antivirals? They are clearly only for the privileged like you as when I got covid with health issues I was refused. I was told to go to the ER if things get bad enough and by that time it would have been to late.
Vaccines aren't stopping transmission.
I don't care about hospitalizations. I care about transmission.
Many are getting covid multiple times. If you have not, you've been lucky.
Your fear of of a mild illness doesn’t justify forcing your will on others. Presumably you realize you hold a fringe position, with even the CDC acknowledging that surveillance testing and quarantines aren’t sustainable or necessary.
This next study is a warning that repeated infections could produce similar outcomes, since we already know mild covid causes brain damage. Analyzing the most vulnerable populations is a good indicator of what to avoid.
But if you don't care, that's fine. But if you don't care, then why are you reading this? Wouldn't it be better if you ignored it and moved onto another thread? I'm curious why you feel the need to express your opinion when you know it makes you upset that people aren't agreeing with your point of view?
Why are you posting when you can clearly see the general public and public health officials don’t think disruptive Covid policies are appropriate anymore? Don’t you have a brick wall you could shout at?
All the studies indicate otherwise. The problem is the anti-science crowd tends to be loud and violent so many just cater to them.
I don’t know about anti-science, but I do know they/we are an overwhelming majority.
A vocal but small minority that is dangerously misinformed
Look again at what the experts are saying now. Covid is here to stay, and they know it doesn’t make sense to continue universal masking and quarantines in schools (or anywhere else).
They know it doesn't make sense to have teachers in classrooms, bus drivers, or students in schools. As long as schools are ****open**** it doesn't matter if they are actually functioning. MCPS couldn't function this summer, they won't be able to function at the end of the month when they open again.
People who are sick don't work, can't drive buses and students don't learn. But the word ****open**** is so much more important than students getting an actual education.
When's the last time you left your house? Seriously?
Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!
Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.
Its not a cold. Grow up already.
It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.
I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.
You were fortunate, not my experience at all.
I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.
I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.
I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.
From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…
What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.
There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.
Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.
You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.
Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.
We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.
Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.
I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.
If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.
No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...
This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.
If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?
No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.
You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?
There is not high immunity.
Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.
The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.
That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.
But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.
The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.
Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.
Might? They already have.
There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.
It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.
Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?
If you knew you were exposed, why not test?
For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!
That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.
DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.
I really can’t tell what these people are hoping to achieve with masking, quarantines, and other restrictive policies. I don’t think they’ve been able to come to terms with the fact that covid is never going away.
Add to that the fact that outside of school settings, people are going on with their lives. The airports are 99% unmasked. I think two people on my flight yesterday were wearing masks (and not even properly). People are over it.
All the more reason to mask. You may be over covid, but covid isn't done with us and will not be if we continue to go as we are. Those 99% are why its still an issue and why we aren't getting through this better.
What are we hoping to achieve? Not getting covid every few months and being sick. You can move on with your life with covid or even a cold for the week or two you have it. Well, you can because you only care about yourself....
I’m the PP who pointed out that insisting that decent people will want endless covid restrictions backfired (and continues to). You are fundamentally misinformed if you think that we can control covid alone through behavioral restrictions. This isn’t April 2020. The reality is that we have vaccines that are extraordinarily effective at keeping people out of the hospital and dying. We have an antiviral that is outstanding at preventing severe illness in those unvaccinated. We have a prophylactic that can reduce severity in those at high risk for that.
The goal was never zero covid. That never will be the goal. Most people aren’t getting covid every few months or anything like that frequency. If YOU want to mask indefinitely, that’s your prerogative. At this point, forcing everyone else to do that won’t achieve anything other than hardening opposition to extreme restrictions.
No one is expecting zero covid but some of us don't want covid multiple times a year from someone like you who wouldn't think twice about spreading it. We have not had any restrictions. Masking is a precaution, not a restriction. Kids cannot learn when they are sick. Teachers cannot teach when they are sick.
What antivirals? They are clearly only for the privileged like you as when I got covid with health issues I was refused. I was told to go to the ER if things get bad enough and by that time it would have been to late.
Vaccines aren't stopping transmission.
I don't care about hospitalizations. I care about transmission.
Many are getting covid multiple times. If you have not, you've been lucky.
Your fear of of a mild illness doesn’t justify forcing your will on others. Presumably you realize you hold a fringe position, with even the CDC acknowledging that surveillance testing and quarantines aren’t sustainable or necessary.
This next study is a warning that repeated infections could produce similar outcomes, since we already know mild covid causes brain damage. Analyzing the most vulnerable populations is a good indicator of what to avoid.
But if you don't care, that's fine. But if you don't care, then why are you reading this? Wouldn't it be better if you ignored it and moved onto another thread? I'm curious why you feel the need to express your opinion when you know it makes you upset that people aren't agreeing with your point of view?
Why are you posting when you can clearly see the general public and public health officials don’t think disruptive Covid policies are appropriate anymore? Don’t you have a brick wall you could shout at?
All the studies indicate otherwise. The problem is the anti-science crowd tends to be loud and violent so many just cater to them.
I don’t know about anti-science, but I do know they/we are an overwhelming majority.
A vocal but small minority that is dangerously misinformed
Look again at what the experts are saying now. Covid is here to stay, and they know it doesn’t make sense to continue universal masking and quarantines in schools (or anywhere else).
They know it doesn't make sense to have teachers in classrooms, bus drivers, or students in schools. As long as schools are ****open**** it doesn't matter if they are actually functioning. MCPS couldn't function this summer, they won't be able to function at the end of the month when they open again.
People who are sick don't work, can't drive buses and students don't learn. But the word ****open**** is so much more important than students getting an actual education.
lol. You still want schools to close?! And you think they're going to be the only service-oriented sector unable to "function"?
Do you get out much? You're an interesting enigma to me. I wish I knew more about you. Not because it would actually change anything, but simply because I can't wrap my head around what would make someone think like you do. Particularly anyone with school-aged kids.
Dramatic much, no one is talking about going virtual. Basic precautions go a long way in keeping people healthy.
Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!
Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.
Its not a cold. Grow up already.
It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.
I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.
You were fortunate, not my experience at all.
I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.
I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.
I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.
From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…
What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.
There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.
Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.
You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.
Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.
We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.
Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.
I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.
If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.
No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...
This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.
If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?
No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.
You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?
There is not high immunity.
Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.
The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.
That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.
But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.
The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.
Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.
Might? They already have.
There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.
It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.
Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?
If you knew you were exposed, why not test?
For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!
That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.
DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.
I really can’t tell what these people are hoping to achieve with masking, quarantines, and other restrictive policies. I don’t think they’ve been able to come to terms with the fact that covid is never going away.
Add to that the fact that outside of school settings, people are going on with their lives. The airports are 99% unmasked. I think two people on my flight yesterday were wearing masks (and not even properly). People are over it.
All the more reason to mask. You may be over covid, but covid isn't done with us and will not be if we continue to go as we are. Those 99% are why its still an issue and why we aren't getting through this better.
What are we hoping to achieve? Not getting covid every few months and being sick. You can move on with your life with covid or even a cold for the week or two you have it. Well, you can because you only care about yourself....
I’m the PP who pointed out that insisting that decent people will want endless covid restrictions backfired (and continues to). You are fundamentally misinformed if you think that we can control covid alone through behavioral restrictions. This isn’t April 2020. The reality is that we have vaccines that are extraordinarily effective at keeping people out of the hospital and dying. We have an antiviral that is outstanding at preventing severe illness in those unvaccinated. We have a prophylactic that can reduce severity in those at high risk for that.
The goal was never zero covid. That never will be the goal. Most people aren’t getting covid every few months or anything like that frequency. If YOU want to mask indefinitely, that’s your prerogative. At this point, forcing everyone else to do that won’t achieve anything other than hardening opposition to extreme restrictions.
No one is expecting zero covid but some of us don't want covid multiple times a year from someone like you who wouldn't think twice about spreading it. We have not had any restrictions. Masking is a precaution, not a restriction. Kids cannot learn when they are sick. Teachers cannot teach when they are sick.
What antivirals? They are clearly only for the privileged like you as when I got covid with health issues I was refused. I was told to go to the ER if things get bad enough and by that time it would have been to late.
Vaccines aren't stopping transmission.
I don't care about hospitalizations. I care about transmission.
Many are getting covid multiple times. If you have not, you've been lucky.
Your fear of of a mild illness doesn’t justify forcing your will on others. Presumably you realize you hold a fringe position, with even the CDC acknowledging that surveillance testing and quarantines aren’t sustainable or necessary.
This next study is a warning that repeated infections could produce similar outcomes, since we already know mild covid causes brain damage. Analyzing the most vulnerable populations is a good indicator of what to avoid.
But if you don't care, that's fine. But if you don't care, then why are you reading this? Wouldn't it be better if you ignored it and moved onto another thread? I'm curious why you feel the need to express your opinion when you know it makes you upset that people aren't agreeing with your point of view?
Why are you posting when you can clearly see the general public and public health officials don’t think disruptive Covid policies are appropriate anymore? Don’t you have a brick wall you could shout at?
All the studies indicate otherwise. The problem is the anti-science crowd tends to be loud and violent so many just cater to them.
I don’t know about anti-science, but I do know they/we are an overwhelming majority.
A vocal but small minority that is dangerously misinformed
Look again at what the experts are saying now. Covid is here to stay, and they know it doesn’t make sense to continue universal masking and quarantines in schools (or anywhere else).
They know it doesn't make sense to have teachers in classrooms, bus drivers, or students in schools. As long as schools are ****open**** it doesn't matter if they are actually functioning. MCPS couldn't function this summer, they won't be able to function at the end of the month when they open again.
People who are sick don't work, can't drive buses and students don't learn. But the word ****open**** is so much more important than students getting an actual education.
lol. You still want schools to close?! And you think they're going to be the only service-oriented sector unable to "function"?
Do you get out much? You're an interesting enigma to me. I wish I knew more about you. Not because it would actually change anything, but simply because I can't wrap my head around what would make someone think like you do. Particularly anyone with school-aged kids.
Dramatic much, no one is talking about going virtual. Basic precautions go a long way in keeping people healthy.
Which ones? Which 'basic precautions' are you talking about that are shown to work? And since by "healthy" you seem to mean just "staying at work/school", you apparently mean precautions that stop transmission.
There's a reason CDC is stopping the recommendations for asymptomatic testing and other things -- because they don't work to prevent transmission.
Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!
Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.
Its not a cold. Grow up already.
It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.
I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.
You were fortunate, not my experience at all.
I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.
I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.
I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.
From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…
What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.
There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.
Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.
You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.
Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.
We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.
Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.
I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.
If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.
No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...
This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.
If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?
No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.
You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?
There is not high immunity.
Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.
The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.
That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.
But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.
The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.
Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.
Might? They already have.
There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.
It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.
Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?
If you knew you were exposed, why not test?
For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!
That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.
DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.
I really can’t tell what these people are hoping to achieve with masking, quarantines, and other restrictive policies. I don’t think they’ve been able to come to terms with the fact that covid is never going away.
Add to that the fact that outside of school settings, people are going on with their lives. The airports are 99% unmasked. I think two people on my flight yesterday were wearing masks (and not even properly). People are over it.
All the more reason to mask. You may be over covid, but covid isn't done with us and will not be if we continue to go as we are. Those 99% are why its still an issue and why we aren't getting through this better.
What are we hoping to achieve? Not getting covid every few months and being sick. You can move on with your life with covid or even a cold for the week or two you have it. Well, you can because you only care about yourself....
I’m the PP who pointed out that insisting that decent people will want endless covid restrictions backfired (and continues to). You are fundamentally misinformed if you think that we can control covid alone through behavioral restrictions. This isn’t April 2020. The reality is that we have vaccines that are extraordinarily effective at keeping people out of the hospital and dying. We have an antiviral that is outstanding at preventing severe illness in those unvaccinated. We have a prophylactic that can reduce severity in those at high risk for that.
The goal was never zero covid. That never will be the goal. Most people aren’t getting covid every few months or anything like that frequency. If YOU want to mask indefinitely, that’s your prerogative. At this point, forcing everyone else to do that won’t achieve anything other than hardening opposition to extreme restrictions.
No one is expecting zero covid but some of us don't want covid multiple times a year from someone like you who wouldn't think twice about spreading it. We have not had any restrictions. Masking is a precaution, not a restriction. Kids cannot learn when they are sick. Teachers cannot teach when they are sick.
What antivirals? They are clearly only for the privileged like you as when I got covid with health issues I was refused. I was told to go to the ER if things get bad enough and by that time it would have been to late.
Vaccines aren't stopping transmission.
I don't care about hospitalizations. I care about transmission.
Many are getting covid multiple times. If you have not, you've been lucky.
Your fear of of a mild illness doesn’t justify forcing your will on others. Presumably you realize you hold a fringe position, with even the CDC acknowledging that surveillance testing and quarantines aren’t sustainable or necessary.
This next study is a warning that repeated infections could produce similar outcomes, since we already know mild covid causes brain damage. Analyzing the most vulnerable populations is a good indicator of what to avoid.
But if you don't care, that's fine. But if you don't care, then why are you reading this? Wouldn't it be better if you ignored it and moved onto another thread? I'm curious why you feel the need to express your opinion when you know it makes you upset that people aren't agreeing with your point of view?
Why are you posting when you can clearly see the general public and public health officials don’t think disruptive Covid policies are appropriate anymore? Don’t you have a brick wall you could shout at?
All the studies indicate otherwise. The problem is the anti-science crowd tends to be loud and violent so many just cater to them.
I don’t know about anti-science, but I do know they/we are an overwhelming majority.
A vocal but small minority that is dangerously misinformed
Look again at what the experts are saying now. Covid is here to stay, and they know it doesn’t make sense to continue universal masking and quarantines in schools (or anywhere else).
They know it doesn't make sense to have teachers in classrooms, bus drivers, or students in schools. As long as schools are ****open**** it doesn't matter if they are actually functioning. MCPS couldn't function this summer, they won't be able to function at the end of the month when they open again.
People who are sick don't work, can't drive buses and students don't learn. But the word ****open**** is so much more important than students getting an actual education.
lol. You still want schools to close?! And you think they're going to be the only service-oriented sector unable to "function"?
Do you get out much? You're an interesting enigma to me. I wish I knew more about you. Not because it would actually change anything, but simply because I can't wrap my head around what would make someone think like you do. Particularly anyone with school-aged kids.
Dramatic much, no one is talking about going virtual. Basic precautions go a long way in keeping people healthy.
Which ones? Which 'basic precautions' are you talking about that are shown to work? And since by "healthy" you seem to mean just "staying at work/school", you apparently mean precautions that stop transmission.
There's a reason CDC is stopping the recommendations for asymptomatic testing and other things -- because they don't work to prevent transmission.
The CDC is a joke and its all politics. Clearly covid is still serious given how it impacted Biden. Healthy as in covid negative. Anyone positive should not be allowed in the school.
Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!
Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.
Its not a cold. Grow up already.
It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.
I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.
You were fortunate, not my experience at all.
I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.
I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.
I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.
From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…
What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.
There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.
Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.
You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.
Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.
We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.
Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.
I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.
If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.
No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...
This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.
If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?
No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.
You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?
There is not high immunity.
Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.
The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.
That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.
But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.
The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.
Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.
Might? They already have.
There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.
It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.
Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?
If you knew you were exposed, why not test?
For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!
That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.
DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.
I really can’t tell what these people are hoping to achieve with masking, quarantines, and other restrictive policies. I don’t think they’ve been able to come to terms with the fact that covid is never going away.
Add to that the fact that outside of school settings, people are going on with their lives. The airports are 99% unmasked. I think two people on my flight yesterday were wearing masks (and not even properly). People are over it.
All the more reason to mask. You may be over covid, but covid isn't done with us and will not be if we continue to go as we are. Those 99% are why its still an issue and why we aren't getting through this better.
What are we hoping to achieve? Not getting covid every few months and being sick. You can move on with your life with covid or even a cold for the week or two you have it. Well, you can because you only care about yourself....
I’m the PP who pointed out that insisting that decent people will want endless covid restrictions backfired (and continues to). You are fundamentally misinformed if you think that we can control covid alone through behavioral restrictions. This isn’t April 2020. The reality is that we have vaccines that are extraordinarily effective at keeping people out of the hospital and dying. We have an antiviral that is outstanding at preventing severe illness in those unvaccinated. We have a prophylactic that can reduce severity in those at high risk for that.
The goal was never zero covid. That never will be the goal. Most people aren’t getting covid every few months or anything like that frequency. If YOU want to mask indefinitely, that’s your prerogative. At this point, forcing everyone else to do that won’t achieve anything other than hardening opposition to extreme restrictions.
No one is expecting zero covid but some of us don't want covid multiple times a year from someone like you who wouldn't think twice about spreading it. We have not had any restrictions. Masking is a precaution, not a restriction. Kids cannot learn when they are sick. Teachers cannot teach when they are sick.
What antivirals? They are clearly only for the privileged like you as when I got covid with health issues I was refused. I was told to go to the ER if things get bad enough and by that time it would have been to late.
Vaccines aren't stopping transmission.
I don't care about hospitalizations. I care about transmission.
Many are getting covid multiple times. If you have not, you've been lucky.
Your fear of of a mild illness doesn’t justify forcing your will on others. Presumably you realize you hold a fringe position, with even the CDC acknowledging that surveillance testing and quarantines aren’t sustainable or necessary.
This next study is a warning that repeated infections could produce similar outcomes, since we already know mild covid causes brain damage. Analyzing the most vulnerable populations is a good indicator of what to avoid.
But if you don't care, that's fine. But if you don't care, then why are you reading this? Wouldn't it be better if you ignored it and moved onto another thread? I'm curious why you feel the need to express your opinion when you know it makes you upset that people aren't agreeing with your point of view?
Why are you posting when you can clearly see the general public and public health officials don’t think disruptive Covid policies are appropriate anymore? Don’t you have a brick wall you could shout at?
All the studies indicate otherwise. The problem is the anti-science crowd tends to be loud and violent so many just cater to them.
I don’t know about anti-science, but I do know they/we are an overwhelming majority.
A vocal but small minority that is dangerously misinformed
Look again at what the experts are saying now. Covid is here to stay, and they know it doesn’t make sense to continue universal masking and quarantines in schools (or anywhere else).
They know it doesn't make sense to have teachers in classrooms, bus drivers, or students in schools. As long as schools are ****open**** it doesn't matter if they are actually functioning. MCPS couldn't function this summer, they won't be able to function at the end of the month when they open again.
People who are sick don't work, can't drive buses and students don't learn. But the word ****open**** is so much more important than students getting an actual education.
lol. You still want schools to close?! And you think they're going to be the only service-oriented sector unable to "function"?
Do you get out much? You're an interesting enigma to me. I wish I knew more about you. Not because it would actually change anything, but simply because I can't wrap my head around what would make someone think like you do. Particularly anyone with school-aged kids.
Dramatic much, no one is talking about going virtual. Basic precautions go a long way in keeping people healthy.
Which ones? Which 'basic precautions' are you talking about that are shown to work? And since by "healthy" you seem to mean just "staying at work/school", you apparently mean precautions that stop transmission.
There's a reason CDC is stopping the recommendations for asymptomatic testing and other things -- because they don't work to prevent transmission.
The CDC is a joke and its all politics. Clearly covid is still serious given how it impacted Biden. Healthy as in covid negative. Anyone positive should not be allowed in the school.
Is that a joke? A 79 year old man was infected with a virus that gave him mild symptoms. And that’s serious?
Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!
Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.
Its not a cold. Grow up already.
It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.
I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.
You were fortunate, not my experience at all.
I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.
I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.
I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.
From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…
What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.
There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.
Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.
You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.
Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.
We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.
Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.
I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.
If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.
No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...
This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.
If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?
No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.
You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?
There is not high immunity.
Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.
The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.
That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.
But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.
The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.
Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.
Might? They already have.
There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.
It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.
Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?
If you knew you were exposed, why not test?
For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!
That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.
DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.
I really can’t tell what these people are hoping to achieve with masking, quarantines, and other restrictive policies. I don’t think they’ve been able to come to terms with the fact that covid is never going away.
Add to that the fact that outside of school settings, people are going on with their lives. The airports are 99% unmasked. I think two people on my flight yesterday were wearing masks (and not even properly). People are over it.
All the more reason to mask. You may be over covid, but covid isn't done with us and will not be if we continue to go as we are. Those 99% are why its still an issue and why we aren't getting through this better.
What are we hoping to achieve? Not getting covid every few months and being sick. You can move on with your life with covid or even a cold for the week or two you have it. Well, you can because you only care about yourself....
I’m the PP who pointed out that insisting that decent people will want endless covid restrictions backfired (and continues to). You are fundamentally misinformed if you think that we can control covid alone through behavioral restrictions. This isn’t April 2020. The reality is that we have vaccines that are extraordinarily effective at keeping people out of the hospital and dying. We have an antiviral that is outstanding at preventing severe illness in those unvaccinated. We have a prophylactic that can reduce severity in those at high risk for that.
The goal was never zero covid. That never will be the goal. Most people aren’t getting covid every few months or anything like that frequency. If YOU want to mask indefinitely, that’s your prerogative. At this point, forcing everyone else to do that won’t achieve anything other than hardening opposition to extreme restrictions.
No one is expecting zero covid but some of us don't want covid multiple times a year from someone like you who wouldn't think twice about spreading it. We have not had any restrictions. Masking is a precaution, not a restriction. Kids cannot learn when they are sick. Teachers cannot teach when they are sick.
What antivirals? They are clearly only for the privileged like you as when I got covid with health issues I was refused. I was told to go to the ER if things get bad enough and by that time it would have been to late.
Vaccines aren't stopping transmission.
I don't care about hospitalizations. I care about transmission.
Many are getting covid multiple times. If you have not, you've been lucky.
Your fear of of a mild illness doesn’t justify forcing your will on others. Presumably you realize you hold a fringe position, with even the CDC acknowledging that surveillance testing and quarantines aren’t sustainable or necessary.
This next study is a warning that repeated infections could produce similar outcomes, since we already know mild covid causes brain damage. Analyzing the most vulnerable populations is a good indicator of what to avoid.
But if you don't care, that's fine. But if you don't care, then why are you reading this? Wouldn't it be better if you ignored it and moved onto another thread? I'm curious why you feel the need to express your opinion when you know it makes you upset that people aren't agreeing with your point of view?
Why are you posting when you can clearly see the general public and public health officials don’t think disruptive Covid policies are appropriate anymore? Don’t you have a brick wall you could shout at?
All the studies indicate otherwise. The problem is the anti-science crowd tends to be loud and violent so many just cater to them.
I don’t know about anti-science, but I do know they/we are an overwhelming majority.
A vocal but small minority that is dangerously misinformed
Look again at what the experts are saying now. Covid is here to stay, and they know it doesn’t make sense to continue universal masking and quarantines in schools (or anywhere else).
They know it doesn't make sense to have teachers in classrooms, bus drivers, or students in schools. As long as schools are ****open**** it doesn't matter if they are actually functioning. MCPS couldn't function this summer, they won't be able to function at the end of the month when they open again.
People who are sick don't work, can't drive buses and students don't learn. But the word ****open**** is so much more important than students getting an actual education.
lol. You still want schools to close?! And you think they're going to be the only service-oriented sector unable to "function"?
Do you get out much? You're an interesting enigma to me. I wish I knew more about you. Not because it would actually change anything, but simply because I can't wrap my head around what would make someone think like you do. Particularly anyone with school-aged kids.
Dramatic much, no one is talking about going virtual. Basic precautions go a long way in keeping people healthy.
Which ones? Which 'basic precautions' are you talking about that are shown to work? And since by "healthy" you seem to mean just "staying at work/school", you apparently mean precautions that stop transmission.
There's a reason CDC is stopping the recommendations for asymptomatic testing and other things -- because they don't work to prevent transmission.
The CDC is a joke and its all politics. Clearly covid is still serious given how it impacted Biden. Healthy as in covid negative. Anyone positive should not be allowed in the school.
You took that a step too far. You must just be a troll.
Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!
Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.
Its not a cold. Grow up already.
It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.
I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.
You were fortunate, not my experience at all.
I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.
I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.
I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.
From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…
What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.
There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.
Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.
You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.
Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.
We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.
Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.
I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.
If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.
No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...
This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.
If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?
No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.
You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?
There is not high immunity.
Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.
The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.
That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.
But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.
The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.
Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.
Might? They already have.
There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.
It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.
Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?
If you knew you were exposed, why not test?
For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!
That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.
DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.
I really can’t tell what these people are hoping to achieve with masking, quarantines, and other restrictive policies. I don’t think they’ve been able to come to terms with the fact that covid is never going away.
Add to that the fact that outside of school settings, people are going on with their lives. The airports are 99% unmasked. I think two people on my flight yesterday were wearing masks (and not even properly). People are over it.
All the more reason to mask. You may be over covid, but covid isn't done with us and will not be if we continue to go as we are. Those 99% are why its still an issue and why we aren't getting through this better.
What are we hoping to achieve? Not getting covid every few months and being sick. You can move on with your life with covid or even a cold for the week or two you have it. Well, you can because you only care about yourself....
I’m the PP who pointed out that insisting that decent people will want endless covid restrictions backfired (and continues to). You are fundamentally misinformed if you think that we can control covid alone through behavioral restrictions. This isn’t April 2020. The reality is that we have vaccines that are extraordinarily effective at keeping people out of the hospital and dying. We have an antiviral that is outstanding at preventing severe illness in those unvaccinated. We have a prophylactic that can reduce severity in those at high risk for that.
The goal was never zero covid. That never will be the goal. Most people aren’t getting covid every few months or anything like that frequency. If YOU want to mask indefinitely, that’s your prerogative. At this point, forcing everyone else to do that won’t achieve anything other than hardening opposition to extreme restrictions.
No one is expecting zero covid but some of us don't want covid multiple times a year from someone like you who wouldn't think twice about spreading it. We have not had any restrictions. Masking is a precaution, not a restriction. Kids cannot learn when they are sick. Teachers cannot teach when they are sick.
What antivirals? They are clearly only for the privileged like you as when I got covid with health issues I was refused. I was told to go to the ER if things get bad enough and by that time it would have been to late.
Vaccines aren't stopping transmission.
I don't care about hospitalizations. I care about transmission.
Many are getting covid multiple times. If you have not, you've been lucky.
Your fear of of a mild illness doesn’t justify forcing your will on others. Presumably you realize you hold a fringe position, with even the CDC acknowledging that surveillance testing and quarantines aren’t sustainable or necessary.
This next study is a warning that repeated infections could produce similar outcomes, since we already know mild covid causes brain damage. Analyzing the most vulnerable populations is a good indicator of what to avoid.
But if you don't care, that's fine. But if you don't care, then why are you reading this? Wouldn't it be better if you ignored it and moved onto another thread? I'm curious why you feel the need to express your opinion when you know it makes you upset that people aren't agreeing with your point of view?
Why are you posting when you can clearly see the general public and public health officials don’t think disruptive Covid policies are appropriate anymore? Don’t you have a brick wall you could shout at?
All the studies indicate otherwise. The problem is the anti-science crowd tends to be loud and violent so many just cater to them.
I don’t know about anti-science, but I do know they/we are an overwhelming majority.
A vocal but small minority that is dangerously misinformed
Look again at what the experts are saying now. Covid is here to stay, and they know it doesn’t make sense to continue universal masking and quarantines in schools (or anywhere else).
They know it doesn't make sense to have teachers in classrooms, bus drivers, or students in schools. As long as schools are ****open**** it doesn't matter if they are actually functioning. MCPS couldn't function this summer, they won't be able to function at the end of the month when they open again.
People who are sick don't work, can't drive buses and students don't learn. But the word ****open**** is so much more important than students getting an actual education.
lol. You still want schools to close?! And you think they're going to be the only service-oriented sector unable to "function"?
Do you get out much? You're an interesting enigma to me. I wish I knew more about you. Not because it would actually change anything, but simply because I can't wrap my head around what would make someone think like you do. Particularly anyone with school-aged kids.
Dramatic much, no one is talking about going virtual. Basic precautions go a long way in keeping people healthy.
Which ones? Which 'basic precautions' are you talking about that are shown to work? And since by "healthy" you seem to mean just "staying at work/school", you apparently mean precautions that stop transmission.
There's a reason CDC is stopping the recommendations for asymptomatic testing and other things -- because they don't work to prevent transmission.
The CDC is a joke and its all politics. Clearly covid is still serious given how it impacted Biden. Healthy as in covid negative. Anyone positive should not be allowed in the school.
You took that a step too far. You must just be a troll.
Or, maybe you are the troll if you have zero concern for covid and the impact on others.
Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!
Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.
Its not a cold. Grow up already.
It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.
I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.
You were fortunate, not my experience at all.
I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.
I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.
I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.
From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…
What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.
There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.
Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.
You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.
Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.
We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.
Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.
I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.
If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.
No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...
This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.
If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?
No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.
You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?
There is not high immunity.
Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.
The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.
That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.
But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.
The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.
Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.
Might? They already have.
There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.
It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.
Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?
If you knew you were exposed, why not test?
For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!
That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.
DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.
I really can’t tell what these people are hoping to achieve with masking, quarantines, and other restrictive policies. I don’t think they’ve been able to come to terms with the fact that covid is never going away.
Add to that the fact that outside of school settings, people are going on with their lives. The airports are 99% unmasked. I think two people on my flight yesterday were wearing masks (and not even properly). People are over it.
All the more reason to mask. You may be over covid, but covid isn't done with us and will not be if we continue to go as we are. Those 99% are why its still an issue and why we aren't getting through this better.
What are we hoping to achieve? Not getting covid every few months and being sick. You can move on with your life with covid or even a cold for the week or two you have it. Well, you can because you only care about yourself....
I’m the PP who pointed out that insisting that decent people will want endless covid restrictions backfired (and continues to). You are fundamentally misinformed if you think that we can control covid alone through behavioral restrictions. This isn’t April 2020. The reality is that we have vaccines that are extraordinarily effective at keeping people out of the hospital and dying. We have an antiviral that is outstanding at preventing severe illness in those unvaccinated. We have a prophylactic that can reduce severity in those at high risk for that.
The goal was never zero covid. That never will be the goal. Most people aren’t getting covid every few months or anything like that frequency. If YOU want to mask indefinitely, that’s your prerogative. At this point, forcing everyone else to do that won’t achieve anything other than hardening opposition to extreme restrictions.
No one is expecting zero covid but some of us don't want covid multiple times a year from someone like you who wouldn't think twice about spreading it. We have not had any restrictions. Masking is a precaution, not a restriction. Kids cannot learn when they are sick. Teachers cannot teach when they are sick.
What antivirals? They are clearly only for the privileged like you as when I got covid with health issues I was refused. I was told to go to the ER if things get bad enough and by that time it would have been to late.
Vaccines aren't stopping transmission.
I don't care about hospitalizations. I care about transmission.
Many are getting covid multiple times. If you have not, you've been lucky.
Your fear of of a mild illness doesn’t justify forcing your will on others. Presumably you realize you hold a fringe position, with even the CDC acknowledging that surveillance testing and quarantines aren’t sustainable or necessary.
This next study is a warning that repeated infections could produce similar outcomes, since we already know mild covid causes brain damage. Analyzing the most vulnerable populations is a good indicator of what to avoid.
But if you don't care, that's fine. But if you don't care, then why are you reading this? Wouldn't it be better if you ignored it and moved onto another thread? I'm curious why you feel the need to express your opinion when you know it makes you upset that people aren't agreeing with your point of view?
Why are you posting when you can clearly see the general public and public health officials don’t think disruptive Covid policies are appropriate anymore? Don’t you have a brick wall you could shout at?
All the studies indicate otherwise. The problem is the anti-science crowd tends to be loud and violent so many just cater to them.
I don’t know about anti-science, but I do know they/we are an overwhelming majority.
A vocal but small minority that is dangerously misinformed
Look again at what the experts are saying now. Covid is here to stay, and they know it doesn’t make sense to continue universal masking and quarantines in schools (or anywhere else).
They know it doesn't make sense to have teachers in classrooms, bus drivers, or students in schools. As long as schools are ****open**** it doesn't matter if they are actually functioning. MCPS couldn't function this summer, they won't be able to function at the end of the month when they open again.
People who are sick don't work, can't drive buses and students don't learn. But the word ****open**** is so much more important than students getting an actual education.
lol. You still want schools to close?! And you think they're going to be the only service-oriented sector unable to "function"?
Do you get out much? You're an interesting enigma to me. I wish I knew more about you. Not because it would actually change anything, but simply because I can't wrap my head around what would make someone think like you do. Particularly anyone with school-aged kids.
Dramatic much, no one is talking about going virtual. Basic precautions go a long way in keeping people healthy.
Which ones? Which 'basic precautions' are you talking about that are shown to work? And since by "healthy" you seem to mean just "staying at work/school", you apparently mean precautions that stop transmission.
There's a reason CDC is stopping the recommendations for asymptomatic testing and other things -- because they don't work to prevent transmission.
The CDC is a joke and its all politics. Clearly covid is still serious given how it impacted Biden. Healthy as in covid negative. Anyone positive should not be allowed in the school.
Is that a joke? A 79 year old man was infected with a virus that gave him mild symptoms. And that’s serious?
Anonymous wrote:First of all, we can all agree that CDC guidelines have been designed to get workers back on the job to pad the wallets of the already wealthy, not for acute public health reasons. Second, the CDC is about to conveniently change their guidelines right as kids go back to school to favor…wait for it..NOT public health, but keeping low wage workers at work. Shocker!
Covid is a cold. People have been going to work and school with colds forever.
Its not a cold. Grow up already.
It’s not far off if you’re vaccinated and boosted.
I’m my experience, colds have generally been far more miserable.
You were fortunate, not my experience at all.
I don't know about that. I think my experience was pretty common.
I suspect the pp is the sort of person that acts like she’s on her deathbed every time she gets sick.
I think you need some serious empathy lessons and don't care about anyone but yourself. It is not mild for everyone.
From the person who wants the rest of the world to change their behavior so she doesn’t have to take responsibility for herself…
What are you talking about? We are extremely careful and not the fake careful people pretend to be. I want basic precautions. That’s not unreasonable given how contagious this is.
There are certainly some posters here demanding ridiculous Covid policies on everyone because they won’t take whatever individual measures are necessary to protect themselves. There's no reason for indefinite masking or quarantine policies at this point.
Clearly you don’t get Covid and the high transmission rate. Of course those of us concerned still mask but it’s not that simple in a large school with 1000+ students and staff.
You clearly don’t get that Covid is with us permanently. You’re not going to escape it if you’re willing to rejoin society.
Permanent mask mandates and kicking healthy kids out of school aren’t going to change that.
We do get its permanent and we have people like you to thank. No, I'm not willing to get covid over and over again. NO one is saying permanent mask mandates but given the high level of transmission and large schools, they make sense right now. And, kids who have covid are not healthy.
Stop being disingenuous about masks. Even when cases were low back in the spring posters like you were still wringing your hands about the removal of the mask mandate. It will never be enough for you.
I can’t tell if these people are being disingenuous or if they simply don’t understand covid. The PP’s post suggests she thinks we’re in a temporary situation with spread. That’s ridiculous. We have high immunity in the community right now due to vaccinations and infections. What we’re seeing now is the new baseline level of spread. And viruses rarely get less infectious over time, so we can and should expect this level to continue for the foreseeable future.
If you’re saying we should mask now, you’re effectively saying we should mask forever.
No one thinks we are in a temporary situation but people also don't want to get covid. No one is saying masking forever either. Is this the best you can do to get attention? Look, you won. There will be no precautions this school year. So, don't complain when it spreads like wild fire and your kids are sick, teachers are out, staff are out, bus drivers are out. We can thank you for the show it will be in the fall...
This new variant is far more contegous and you can get it multiple times. Immunity lasts 6-8 weeks at best.
If you agree the current situation with Covid isn’t temporary, yet you still want to reintroduce mask mandates given the current situation, then you seem to be saying you want mask mandates permanently. Otherwise what is going to be different a year or decade from now when Covid is still spreading at similar rates?
No where did I say permanently. You are just looking for a silly fight as you have to be right and don't care about anything or anyone beyond your own needs. If this continues to mutate, things could get much much worse.
You’re saying you want a mask mandate now, despite high immunity and low case severity, presumably due to the case rates. The selective pressure on viruses is to become more contagious over time, not less. So when are you suggesting that a mask mandate would be lifted?
There is not high immunity.
Of course there is. Vaccination rates are incredibly high, and a large number of people have had covid recently.
The current information is that immunity from both only last a month or two... that is not high immunity by any means.
That’s immunity against reinfection, not immunity that protects against severe illness, which is much more durable.
But the main point is that this immunity is widespread. It’s not like it’s going to get significantly better. This is what the post-covid world looks like with widespread immunity.
The likehoid of severe infection with the new variant is small anyway. I care about infection we do not have immunity.
Ok, but the implication of that is Covid measures/policies forever. Covid is unlikely to evolve to become less contagious, and you juar admitted the likelihood of severe illness is already low. It's not going to get better than this. People might stop testing, but Covid isn't going to go away.
Might? They already have.
There’s still a lot of testing going on. It will certainly drop much lower.
It looks like the CDC’s latest guidance says you don’t even have to test if you are boosted and exposed as long as you aren’t symptomatic. I look forward to September when my students and colleagues all have “allergies”.
Why would you test if you don't have any symptoms?
If you knew you were exposed, why not test?
For every person that knows they were exposed, likely 5 others were exposed. Why not have all healthy American test every morning before they leave their house! Just like they brush their teeth in the morning!
That's a great idea, only most people aren't decent people and would be willing.
DP, but I hope you realize that this attitude is a big part of why so many reasonable people are done with covid restrictions. You pushed too hard, for too long. You made a health issue into a moral issue. No more.
I really can’t tell what these people are hoping to achieve with masking, quarantines, and other restrictive policies. I don’t think they’ve been able to come to terms with the fact that covid is never going away.
Add to that the fact that outside of school settings, people are going on with their lives. The airports are 99% unmasked. I think two people on my flight yesterday were wearing masks (and not even properly). People are over it.
All the more reason to mask. You may be over covid, but covid isn't done with us and will not be if we continue to go as we are. Those 99% are why its still an issue and why we aren't getting through this better.
What are we hoping to achieve? Not getting covid every few months and being sick. You can move on with your life with covid or even a cold for the week or two you have it. Well, you can because you only care about yourself....
I’m the PP who pointed out that insisting that decent people will want endless covid restrictions backfired (and continues to). You are fundamentally misinformed if you think that we can control covid alone through behavioral restrictions. This isn’t April 2020. The reality is that we have vaccines that are extraordinarily effective at keeping people out of the hospital and dying. We have an antiviral that is outstanding at preventing severe illness in those unvaccinated. We have a prophylactic that can reduce severity in those at high risk for that.
The goal was never zero covid. That never will be the goal. Most people aren’t getting covid every few months or anything like that frequency. If YOU want to mask indefinitely, that’s your prerogative. At this point, forcing everyone else to do that won’t achieve anything other than hardening opposition to extreme restrictions.
No one is expecting zero covid but some of us don't want covid multiple times a year from someone like you who wouldn't think twice about spreading it. We have not had any restrictions. Masking is a precaution, not a restriction. Kids cannot learn when they are sick. Teachers cannot teach when they are sick.
What antivirals? They are clearly only for the privileged like you as when I got covid with health issues I was refused. I was told to go to the ER if things get bad enough and by that time it would have been to late.
Vaccines aren't stopping transmission.
I don't care about hospitalizations. I care about transmission.
Many are getting covid multiple times. If you have not, you've been lucky.
Your fear of of a mild illness doesn’t justify forcing your will on others. Presumably you realize you hold a fringe position, with even the CDC acknowledging that surveillance testing and quarantines aren’t sustainable or necessary.
This next study is a warning that repeated infections could produce similar outcomes, since we already know mild covid causes brain damage. Analyzing the most vulnerable populations is a good indicator of what to avoid.
But if you don't care, that's fine. But if you don't care, then why are you reading this? Wouldn't it be better if you ignored it and moved onto another thread? I'm curious why you feel the need to express your opinion when you know it makes you upset that people aren't agreeing with your point of view?
Why are you posting when you can clearly see the general public and public health officials don’t think disruptive Covid policies are appropriate anymore? Don’t you have a brick wall you could shout at?
All the studies indicate otherwise. The problem is the anti-science crowd tends to be loud and violent so many just cater to them.
I don’t know about anti-science, but I do know they/we are an overwhelming majority.
A vocal but small minority that is dangerously misinformed
Look again at what the experts are saying now. Covid is here to stay, and they know it doesn’t make sense to continue universal masking and quarantines in schools (or anywhere else).
They know it doesn't make sense to have teachers in classrooms, bus drivers, or students in schools. As long as schools are ****open**** it doesn't matter if they are actually functioning. MCPS couldn't function this summer, they won't be able to function at the end of the month when they open again.
People who are sick don't work, can't drive buses and students don't learn. But the word ****open**** is so much more important than students getting an actual education.
lol. You still want schools to close?! And you think they're going to be the only service-oriented sector unable to "function"?
Do you get out much? You're an interesting enigma to me. I wish I knew more about you. Not because it would actually change anything, but simply because I can't wrap my head around what would make someone think like you do. Particularly anyone with school-aged kids.
Dramatic much, no one is talking about going virtual. Basic precautions go a long way in keeping people healthy.
Which ones? Which 'basic precautions' are you talking about that are shown to work? And since by "healthy" you seem to mean just "staying at work/school", you apparently mean precautions that stop transmission.
There's a reason CDC is stopping the recommendations for asymptomatic testing and other things -- because they don't work to prevent transmission.
The CDC is a joke and its all politics. Clearly covid is still serious given how it impacted Biden. Healthy as in covid negative. Anyone positive should not be allowed in the school.
Is that a joke? A 79 year old man was infected with a virus that gave him mild symptoms. And that’s serious?
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