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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Strange comment. Do they mean when you can get 40 but your team requirement is 32 so you do just enough instead of pushing yourself?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The beep test is a progressive to failure test. It’s brutal to anyone if performed correctly and with best effort.
It can be sandbagged as well if that’s what you want.

Why get an app? Go to a football field with marked lines and play the test on YouTube and go.
What would you want an app for?

How do you sandbag it?

Yes, that is what PP means. Sounds like some of you don't know your DC's all that well. Most of them do the bare minimum and don't push themselves.

Yes PP here. Sandbagging is deliberately underperforming.

As to the test, again it is a perform to failure test. Everyone who performs it will be gassed within 10 minutes - that’s the point of a progressive load/speed test. raw speed, endurance, mental strength, and Vo2 max are all relevant determinants to soccer performance.
To be honest there is also a simple factor in the test: competing within your team and having
An opportunity to improve on a metric that is quantitative. At its heart the test is about giving your best effort.
Some sandbag even then. Coaches can tell. Good ones will use the info to encourage players physical and mental progression.

[Anonymous]

Coach here,

I've coached at a few clubs and have yet to see any implement a standard fitness test. It's always been on a coach-by-coach basis and I imagine that is true almost everywhere.

College and pro is a bit different.

At the youth level, I do believe establishing baselines and being able to actual measure progress is a useful tool and is also something tangible for the player to see how they are progressing.

That being said as a coach you generally can tell who is fit and who is not pretty easily and whether your team is getting more fit, or not, as the season goes on even without an all out test.

So whether it's a beep test or a timed distance run, neither should be used as training and only as a general metric in tracking progress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Really, really do not recommend using beep test for fitness training. It really does not in any way line up with the type of fitness required for soccer. If you want to use it as a test go ahead, but even then know that it isn't really testing soccer fitness at all where your rate of recovery is as important as anything else. The beep test is really only meaningful as a measure of your performance on a beep test. With that in mind, since the only use would be as a test and only as a measure of your performance on a beep test, any of the many apps on the app store should do the job just fine when you need to run one.


For beep tests in college--yes, if you play soccer in college you will very likely be required to get a certain score on a fitness test of some sort. I've had kids in 4 different college programs and every one has done some sort of testing not just beginning of season but throughout the season. They've used beep test, man-u, and yoyo. Some require higher scores as season progresses--others have had the same minimum but just kept testing. Sort of relevant, all of the programs were total crap and quality of training didn't come close to what they got with local youth coaches.

Say the last sentence a little louder for the people in the back.

Oh … ok. You must be a youth soccer coach …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Based on many of these comments, there is no useful fitness test available to gauge the absolute baseline amount of running a DMV youth soccer or any college player or potential college player is able or at the very least, willing, to do. I understand they aren't professionals but soccer is a game that obviously requires a ton of running. At various speeds, I know. But If you're gassed after 10 minutes then play rec and forget about playing in college. You're no good to your teammates if you're the best player on the team technically but only effective for an 1/8 of the match. Jesus.

+1000. Only sane comment here.

[Anonymous]

imagine spending no time in the gym and then doing a beep test for "fitness"

[Anonymous]

European U14 academies have GPS tests to track burst, acceleration, pace, and other qualitative game markers. Getting actual biomeasurements.

Colleges? Beep tests like it's 2004 lol. Shows you the level of where American coaching, ingenuity is at.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:imagine spending no time in the gym and then doing a beep test for "fitness"

Beep test isn't for fitness. It's to measure level of fitness.

Imagine claiming to be an elite level travel soccer player and spending no time in the gym or training on your own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:European U14 academies have GPS tests to track burst, acceleration, pace, and other qualitative game markers. Getting actual biomeasurements.

Colleges? Beep tests like it's 2004 lol. Shows you the level of where American coaching, ingenuity is at.

Agreed it would be nice if youth clubs in the States spent the money to buy the equipment and software needed to track/measure those things. How much does that cost and who pays? Who pays for it in Europe?

[Anonymous]

syc using pacer now

https://twitter.com/SYCSoccer/status/1425821508576940032?s=20

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Coach here,

I've coached at a few clubs and have yet to see any implement a standard fitness test. It's always been on a coach-by-coach basis and I imagine that is true almost everywhere.

College and pro is a bit different.

At the youth level, I do believe establishing baselines and being able to actual measure progress is a useful tool and is also something tangible for the player to see how they are progressing.

That being said as a coach you generally can tell who is fit and who is not pretty easily and whether your team is getting more fit, or not, as the season goes on even without an all out test.

So whether it's a beep test or a timed distance run, neither should be used as training and only as a general metric in tracking progress.

The fitness tests like the beep etc are a black and white assessment of comparative fitness. It shows the players where they stand and gives them an idea of what the team fitness is. It's eye opening for some of the more popular favorites.

[Anonymous]

Yeah. But who needs grades and measurement. Let’s just pass everyone along and give all a trophy. 🤪

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:European U14 academies have GPS tests to track burst, acceleration, pace, and other qualitative game markers. Getting actual biomeasurements.

Colleges? Beep tests like it's 2004 lol. Shows you the level of where American coaching, ingenuity is at.

My kid’s D1 team wears GPS trackers in all their games and some of their practices. I assumed that was standard for D1, but could be mistaken. Their coach is also a huge fan of the beep test. Seems like torture to me, but it absolutely motivates players to follow their off-season fitness program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:syc using pacer now

https://twitter.com/SYCSoccer/status/1425821508576940032?s=20

SYC using 1990s tech and info

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:European U14 academies have GPS tests to track burst, acceleration, pace, and other qualitative game markers. Getting actual biomeasurements.

Colleges? Beep tests like it's 2004 lol. Shows you the level of where American coaching, ingenuity is at.

My kid’s D1 team wears GPS trackers in all their games and some of their practices. I assumed that was standard for D1, but could be mistaken. Their coach is also a huge fan of the beep test. Seems like torture to me, but it absolutely motivates players to follow their off-season fitness program.

"Fitness". Great term. Talking D1 players and they throw around terms like "fitness"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:imagine spending no time in the gym and then doing a beep test for "fitness"

Beep test isn't for fitness. It's to measure level of fitness.

Imagine claiming to be an elite level travel soccer player and spending no time in the gym or training on your own.

Count how many youth clubs in NOVA call themselves elite and give no gym time, no guidance on gym time, etc.

If you haven't started basics by U15, you'll be behind. Anyways hEy LeT's sCriMmAgE aGaiN aT pRaCTiCe!