HS Cheating and college admission

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A student at my child's HS was caught in a major cheating incident that he coordinated. He goes to a top 10 college (probably #1 in his field). Not the way it should be but reality.

This! Schools don't report these infractions and they leave it up to the student to report it (which kid with half a brain will self-report this?).

A few years ago, DC's friend had reported a cheating ring in her HS and wanted to incorporate that experience into her essays (how she chose values over friendship). Apparently everyone that advised her on the essays told her not to. Don't remember why (probably did not want to show their school in a bad light). Go figure!

Probably because no one likes a snitch.

I think also because if it gets formally reported it’s becomes a big deal, a big hassle for the teacher and likely the kid gets expelled. So a total and extended PIA for everyone where everyone is left feeling disappointed .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A student at my child's HS was caught in a major cheating incident that he coordinated. He goes to a top 10 college (probably #1 in his field). Not the way it should be but reality.

Who are you to judge? If he was able to coordinate a cheating effort, he's showing intelligence, leadership and managerial skills. You also don't know what his family contributes to the top-10 college.

OP's committed a cardinal sin, not knowing whether the cheating thing stayed with the teacher or whether it was reported. Normally I'd say the student never should have admitted to cheating, but if the teacher had him dead to rights then admitting it in exchange for keeping it within the classroom makes sense.

Ideally, it never would have come to any of this. The parents would have known the kid was in trouble. They would have had tutoring in place. They would have donated so much to the school that the teacher would get the rug pulled out from under him if he pushed the student.

But you live and learn. Given the mistakes OP and OP's kid made, this isn't the worst outcome so long as they know the cheating stays with the teacher, and OP's kid keeps his mouth shut in applications and interviews.

Why would the teacher agree to that, particularly if she has the kids dead to rights?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A student at my child's HS was caught in a major cheating incident that he coordinated. He goes to a top 10 college (probably #1 in his field). Not the way it should be but reality.

This! Schools don't report these infractions and they leave it up to the student to report it (which kid with half a brain will self-report this?).

A few years ago, DC's friend had reported a cheating ring in her HS and wanted to incorporate that experience into her essays (how she chose values over friendship). Apparently everyone that advised her on the essays told her not to. Don't remember why (probably did not want to show their school in a bad light). Go figure!

Probably because no one likes a snitch.

I think also because if it gets formally reported it’s becomes a big deal, a big hassle for the teacher and likely the kid gets expelled. So a total and extended PIA for everyone where everyone is left feeling disappointed .

So.. cheaters should not be exposed? If that's the preference, why wouldn't kids cheat? Why bother with our morality pretenses then, about anything? Why not cheat on the SATs, have someone else write the college essays? Or is that what most kids do anyways and mine just didn't get the memo?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A student at my child's HS was caught in a major cheating incident that he coordinated. He goes to a top 10 college (probably #1 in his field). Not the way it should be but reality.

Who are you to judge? If he was able to coordinate a cheating effort, he's showing intelligence, leadership and managerial skills. You also don't know what his family contributes to the top-10 college.

OP's committed a cardinal sin, not knowing whether the cheating thing stayed with the teacher or whether it was reported. Normally I'd say the student never should have admitted to cheating, but if the teacher had him dead to rights then admitting it in exchange for keeping it within the classroom makes sense.

Ideally, it never would have come to any of this. The parents would have known the kid was in trouble. They would have had tutoring in place. They would have donated so much to the school that the teacher would get the rug pulled out from under him if he pushed the student.

But you live and learn. Given the mistakes OP and OP's kid made, this isn't the worst outcome so long as they know the cheating stays with the teacher, and OP's kid keeps his mouth shut in applications and interviews.

This is obviously a troll, people. Don’t feed it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A student at my child's HS was caught in a major cheating incident that he coordinated. He goes to a top 10 college (probably #1 in his field). Not the way it should be but reality.

This! Schools don't report these infractions and they leave it up to the student to report it (which kid with half a brain will self-report this?).

A few years ago, DC's friend had reported a cheating ring in her HS and wanted to incorporate that experience into her essays (how she chose values over friendship). Apparently everyone that advised her on the essays told her not to. Don't remember why (probably did not want to show their school in a bad light). Go figure!

Probably because no one likes a snitch.

I think also because if it gets formally reported it’s becomes a big deal, a big hassle for the teacher and likely the kid gets expelled. So a total and extended PIA for everyone where everyone is left feeling disappointed .

So.. cheaters should not be exposed? If that's the preference, why wouldn't kids cheat? Why bother with our morality pretenses then, about anything? Why not cheat on the SATs, have someone else write the college essays? Or is that what most kids do anyways and mine just didn't get the memo?

No one is saying that cheaters should get away with cheating. It’s just so foul that a student would report on other students. The teacher should be the one to catch it, and if they don’t, then so be it. The kids were smart enough to gain the system, good for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Common App asks the student to disclose this and gives space to explain. I think the key is to explain that a lesson was learned and not to blame others for getting caught.

The key is to admit nothing and make them prove something they probably can’t

Not answering the question honestly is a current infraction as opposed to a two year old mistake.

+1

Precisely. Colleges want honesty - not parents coaching their kids on plausible deniability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Common App asks the student to disclose this and gives space to explain. I think the key is to explain that a lesson was learned and not to blame others for getting caught.

The key is to admit nothing and make them prove something they probably can’t

Not answering the question honestly is a current infraction as opposed to a two year old mistake.

+1

Precisely. Colleges want honesty - not parents coaching their kids on plausible deniability.

Only a fool will admit to something that cannot be found out. How will colleges ever find out? If the school releases this information, that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Common App asks the student to disclose this and gives space to explain. I think the key is to explain that a lesson was learned and not to blame others for getting caught.

The key is to admit nothing and make them prove something they probably can’t

Not answering the question honestly is a current infraction as opposed to a two year old mistake.

+1

Precisely. Colleges want honesty - not parents coaching their kids on plausible deniability.

Only a fool will admit to something that cannot be found out. How will colleges ever find out? If the school releases this information, that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Here is an actual lawyer's take on it:

https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/research/education-law/cheating-at-school.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A student at my child's HS was caught in a major cheating incident that he coordinated. He goes to a top 10 college (probably #1 in his field). Not the way it should be but reality.

This! Schools don't report these infractions and they leave it up to the student to report it (which kid with half a brain will self-report this?).

A few years ago, DC's friend had reported a cheating ring in her HS and wanted to incorporate that experience into her essays (how she chose values over friendship). Apparently everyone that advised her on the essays told her not to. Don't remember why (probably did not want to show their school in a bad light). Go figure!

Probably because no one likes a snitch.

I think also because if it gets formally reported it’s becomes a big deal, a big hassle for the teacher and likely the kid gets expelled. So a total and extended PIA for everyone where everyone is left feeling disappointed .

So.. cheaters should not be exposed? If that's the preference, why wouldn't kids cheat? Why bother with our morality pretenses then, about anything? Why not cheat on the SATs, have someone else write the college essays? Or is that what most kids do anyways and mine just didn't get the memo?

Kids are often under pressure to help cheaters. Some may report because they don't want to be implicated (like if their answers were copied).
No one is saying that cheaters should get away with cheating. It’s just so foul that a student would report on other students. The teacher should be the one to catch it, and if they don’t, then so be it. The kids were smart enough to gain the system, good for them.

[Anonymous]

Many colleges have an honor code that would require honest students to report violations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Common App asks the student to disclose this and gives space to explain. I think the key is to explain that a lesson was learned and not to blame others for getting caught.

The key is to admit nothing and make them prove something they probably can’t

Not answering the question honestly is a current infraction as opposed to a two year old mistake.

+1

Precisely. Colleges want honesty - not parents coaching their kids on plausible deniability.

the time to say nothing was when he was caught. Too late now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A student at my child's HS was caught in a major cheating incident that he coordinated. He goes to a top 10 college (probably #1 in his field). Not the way it should be but reality.

This! Schools don't report these infractions and they leave it up to the student to report it (which kid with half a brain will self-report this?).

A few years ago, DC's friend had reported a cheating ring in her HS and wanted to incorporate that experience into her essays (how she chose values over friendship). Apparently everyone that advised her on the essays told her not to. Don't remember why (probably did not want to show their school in a bad light). Go figure!

Probably because no one likes a snitch.

I think also because if it gets formally reported it’s becomes a big deal, a big hassle for the teacher and likely the kid gets expelled. So a total and extended PIA for everyone where everyone is left feeling disappointed .

So.. cheaters should not be exposed? If that's the preference, why wouldn't kids cheat? Why bother with our morality pretenses then, about anything? Why not cheat on the SATs, have someone else write the college essays? Or is that what most kids do anyways and mine just didn't get the memo?

No one is saying that cheaters should get away with cheating. It’s just so foul that a student would report on other students. The teacher should be the one to catch it, and if they don’t, then so be it. The kids were smart enough to gain the system, good for them.

New poster. Wow. The bold is...appalling. And yes, despite what you say, you actually ARE "saying that cheaters should get away with cheating."

Do you teach your own kids that? Gaming the system is fine if you get away with it? I'm betting you also "game the system" on your taxes. Maybe pad your resume when you job-hunt. What's to stop your own kids from doing all that too? Hey, it's on the teacher/the employer/the IRS/the world if THEY fail to catch you, right?

Nauseating.

And are you just utterly unaware that a student reporting another student's cheating, especially an entire organized ring of cheaters, is far from "foul"? The cheaters undermine the honest student's actual WORK. But I'm sure you'd say it's worse to be a "snitch" than to hold people accountable for actually putting in the hours of effort they're supposed to put into a class. Or anything.

I really pray you aren't raising children and teaching your crappy lack of values to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A student at my child's HS was caught in a major cheating incident that he coordinated. He goes to a top 10 college (probably #1 in his field). Not the way it should be but reality.

This! Schools don't report these infractions and they leave it up to the student to report it (which kid with half a brain will self-report this?).

A few years ago, DC's friend had reported a cheating ring in her HS and wanted to incorporate that experience into her essays (how she chose values over friendship). Apparently everyone that advised her on the essays told her not to. Don't remember why (probably did not want to show their school in a bad light). Go figure!

Probably because no one likes a snitch.

I think also because if it gets formally reported it’s becomes a big deal, a big hassle for the teacher and likely the kid gets expelled. So a total and extended PIA for everyone where everyone is left feeling disappointed .

So.. cheaters should not be exposed? If that's the preference, why wouldn't kids cheat? Why bother with our morality pretenses then, about anything? Why not cheat on the SATs, have someone else write the college essays? Or is that what most kids do anyways and mine just didn't get the memo?

No one is saying that cheaters should get away with cheating. It’s just so foul that a student would report on other students. The teacher should be the one to catch it, and if they don’t, then so be it. The kids were smart enough to gain the system, good for them.

New poster. Wow. The bold is...appalling. And yes, despite what you say, you actually ARE "saying that cheaters should get away with cheating."

Do you teach your own kids that? Gaming the system is fine if you get away with it? I'm betting you also "game the system" on your taxes. Maybe pad your resume when you job-hunt. What's to stop your own kids from doing all that too? Hey, it's on the teacher/the employer/the IRS/the world if THEY fail to catch you, right?

Nauseating.

And are you just utterly unaware that a student reporting another student's cheating, especially an entire organized ring of cheaters, is far from "foul"? The cheaters undermine the honest student's actual WORK. But I'm sure you'd say it's worse to be a "snitch" than to hold people accountable for actually putting in the hours of effort they're supposed to put into a class. Or anything.

I really pray you aren't raising children and teaching your crappy lack of values to them.

How self righteous can you be🤣

[Anonymous]

Was there a disciplinary action for the cheating episode? If not, it is unlikely that it would need to be disclosed on any college application.

Some colleges ask about disciplinary action, criminal records and/or both. Some do not. A cheating incident that did not result in any consequences (other than, perhaps, a failing grade) would simply not come up (caveat - I have not reviewed every single college's application but I did a lot of research for my own kid who had a suspension unrelated to cheating).

Have your student check with their counselor, but it seems unlikely that something like this would appear on the transcript or be disclosed by the counselor in his/her own recommendation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I doubt it is on the record. School could get sued.

I honestly cheated on tests around 50-100 times. From elementary through HS. Got caught maybe 3-5 times.

Never went beyond zero in a test. Although one teacher on purpose refused to fail me for Geometry to teach me a lesson. Gave me incomplete which automatically put me in summer school in non AC HS three miles away and I had to ride my bike everyday as parents working.

I got an 86. In retrospect I cheated cause some teachers suck. I don’t recall me cheating ever on a good teacher. The summer school teacher was so much better.

I blame the teachers not the kids

Or, your kid can turn out like this person...