Alternatives to sleep training

[Anonymous]

Sleep training can mean a lot of different things, not just cry it out! When baby wakes up how quickly do you pick up? You might just try waiting for 5-10 minutes and seeing if they’ll fall back asleep. That’s a lot of wake ups at that age, and I’m guessing that you need more sleep. People who are anti-sleep training will say “you don’t need to sleep train if it’s working for you!” But it sounds like it isn’t working for you.

I really like the book Precious Little Sleep because she offers a lot of gentle solutions for sleep. There’s a very active Facebook group that is really helpful for tweaking daytime schedules too if you’re worried about too much/not enough daytime sleep.

You can also listen to the sleep series that the PedsDocTalk podcast did. She did one episode talking to about 5 different moms about their different “sleep training” methods, from full CIO to the more drawn out and parent involved.

I hope you’re getting some sleep during the day, and if you do decide to do some kind of sleep training I promise your kid will be fine. Good luck!

[Anonymous]

That sounds like 4 month sleep regression. It might be time to drop the evening nap or stretch out the time between naps and between the last nap and bedtime.

It seems like some people have good luck sleep training at 4 months with CIO, but for me, it did not work, AND I suspect it made my son (second child) afraid of his crib/room/sleep and much harder to sleep train for reals later on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That sounds like 4 month sleep regression. It might be time to drop the evening nap or stretch out the time between naps and between the last nap and bedtime.

It seems like some people have good luck sleep training at 4 months with CIO, but for me, it did not work, AND I suspect it made my son (second child) afraid of his crib/room/sleep and much harder to sleep train for reals later on.

Did you try again at a later month? If so, when and how did it go?

[Anonymous]

OP, are you exclusively breastfeeding (as in, no bottles at all, with either pumped milk or formula)? My second was like this, and once we gave him a bottle before bed, he slept. It was almost like topping him off with an extra two ounces at bedtime was enough to tide him over until a reasonable time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don't have to sleep train. If you want more info from those who don't sleep train then FB groups are your friend, groups like biologically normal infant sleep. I side carred the crib for a few months and then bedshared after that, nursing on demand. I slept 8 hours a night, worked a FT job, did Crossfit, etc. We could not afford to outsource anything but laundry was done and the house was clean if not cluttered.. My partner is very involved and did shifts with me during regressions. I also had to travel for work and he would bedshare after year 1 with him. We both loved contact napping and would alternate taking shared nap most weekend afternoons. My LO adjusted fine to an in home provider who did some gentle walking and patting. I did use the swing occasionally and then would transfer him to the bed. I also did babywearjng and would either keep him in the sling or transfer to the bed.
He's 3 and has slept in a full size bed since 18 months. I weaned at 2.5 and Dad did bedtime during that transition. He still loves morning cuddles 🥰

I say all this to let you know that you can choose to not sleep train and there are other children who wake to nurse. At 18 weeks I did dreamfeed at 11/12 and then prob had 1 or 2 more wakeups but he slept until 8 most mornings and I just nursed aide lying and fell back asleep.

This. The whole “sleep training” thing pretty much amounts to ignore the baby until you break the poor thing to your will. It’s just dreadful. A helpless infant left to cry while the people it depends on for everything pretend not to hear so the baby’s life will be more convenient for them.

This is completely untrue. I sleep trained my twins. It took two days. They cried maybe for a total of 30 minutes all together. Then they slept through the night for the next 12 months. And guess what, so did I. We were all the better for it. Don't shame people for sleep training.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't have to sleep train. If you want more info from those who don't sleep train then FB groups are your friend, groups like biologically normal infant sleep. I side carred the crib for a few months and then bedshared after that, nursing on demand. I slept 8 hours a night, worked a FT job, did Crossfit, etc. We could not afford to outsource anything but laundry was done and the house was clean if not cluttered.. My partner is very involved and did shifts with me during regressions. I also had to travel for work and he would bedshare after year 1 with him. We both loved contact napping and would alternate taking shared nap most weekend afternoons. My LO adjusted fine to an in home provider who did some gentle walking and patting. I did use the swing occasionally and then would transfer him to the bed. I also did babywearjng and would either keep him in the sling or transfer to the bed.
He's 3 and has slept in a full size bed since 18 months. I weaned at 2.5 and Dad did bedtime during that transition. He still loves morning cuddles 🥰

I say all this to let you know that you can choose to not sleep train and there are other children who wake to nurse. At 18 weeks I did dreamfeed at 11/12 and then prob had 1 or 2 more wakeups but he slept until 8 most mornings and I just nursed aide lying and fell back asleep.

This. The whole “sleep training” thing pretty much amounts to ignore the baby until you break the poor thing to your will. It’s just dreadful. A helpless infant left to cry while the people it depends on for everything pretend not to hear so the baby’s life will be more convenient for them.

This is completely untrue. I sleep trained my twins. It took two days. They cried maybe for a total of 30 minutes all together. Then they slept through the night for the next 12 months. And guess what, so did I. We were all the better for it. Don't shame people for sleep training.

Your kids still wake up they just no longer get a response from you so there isnt a point in calling out for you/crying/etc. Some kids are also easier to train compared to others. I also assume your kids were in the same room so likely they talk to each other and hear the other one and that is comforting.

Also STTN is not normal under the age of 1. It can happen but population-level data shows that it doesnt happen for a majority of kids under the age of 1. https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/142/6/e20174330

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1201416/

Parents frequently consult physicians and infant mental health professionals about problems of night waking in young infants. Often these parents are also concerned about the effects of cosleeping on sleep and waking development. The results of this study confirm a number of previous studies of much younger infants and provide information useful for clinicians advising parents. Specifically, infants who cosleep, at least through 15 months of age, will awaken more frequently but for less duration during the night. That is, they awakened more often, but for shorter durations than solitary sleepers. Contrary to previous reports, the cosleeping infants did not spend the majority of the night face to face with their mothers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don't have to sleep train. If you want more info from those who don't sleep train then FB groups are your friend, groups like biologically normal infant sleep. I side carred the crib for a few months and then bedshared after that, nursing on demand. I slept 8 hours a night, worked a FT job, did Crossfit, etc. We could not afford to outsource anything but laundry was done and the house was clean if not cluttered.. My partner is very involved and did shifts with me during regressions. I also had to travel for work and he would bedshare after year 1 with him. We both loved contact napping and would alternate taking shared nap most weekend afternoons. My LO adjusted fine to an in home provider who did some gentle walking and patting. I did use the swing occasionally and then would transfer him to the bed. I also did babywearjng and would either keep him in the sling or transfer to the bed.
He's 3 and has slept in a full size bed since 18 months. I weaned at 2.5 and Dad did bedtime during that transition. He still loves morning cuddles 🥰

I say all this to let you know that you can choose to not sleep train and there are other children who wake to nurse. At 18 weeks I did dreamfeed at 11/12 and then prob had 1 or 2 more wakeups but he slept until 8 most mornings and I just nursed aide lying and fell back asleep.

This. The whole “sleep training” thing pretty much amounts to ignore the baby until you break the poor thing to your will. It’s just dreadful. A helpless infant left to cry while the people it depends on for everything pretend not to hear so the baby’s life will be more convenient for them.

This is completely untrue. I sleep trained my twins. It took two days. They cried maybe for a total of 30 minutes all together. Then they slept through the night for the next 12 months. And guess what, so did I. We were all the better for it. Don't shame people for sleep training.

Your kids still wake up they just no longer get a response from you so there isnt a point in calling out for you/crying/etc. Some kids are also easier to train compared to others. I also assume your kids were in the same room so likely they talk to each other and hear the other one and that is comforting.

Also STTN is not normal under the age of 1. It can happen but population-level data shows that it doesnt happen for a majority of kids under the age of 1. https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/142/6/e20174330

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1201416/

Parents frequently consult physicians and infant mental health professionals about problems of night waking in young infants. Often these parents are also concerned about the effects of cosleeping on sleep and waking development. The results of this study confirm a number of previous studies of much younger infants and provide information useful for clinicians advising parents. Specifically, infants who cosleep, at least through 15 months of age, will awaken more frequently but for less duration during the night. That is, they awakened more often, but for shorter durations than solitary sleepers. Contrary to previous reports, the cosleeping infants did not spend the majority of the night face to face with their mothers.

He babies slept at night because they knew how to self-soothe. No one is interested in your personal opinion and dribble about what YOU think this means.

[Anonymous]

Sleep training doesn’t mean they cry it out for hours. Sheesh.

[Anonymous]

Are you using a paci during daytime naps?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't have to sleep train. If you want more info from those who don't sleep train then FB groups are your friend, groups like biologically normal infant sleep. I side carred the crib for a few months and then bedshared after that, nursing on demand. I slept 8 hours a night, worked a FT job, did Crossfit, etc. We could not afford to outsource anything but laundry was done and the house was clean if not cluttered.. My partner is very involved and did shifts with me during regressions. I also had to travel for work and he would bedshare after year 1 with him. We both loved contact napping and would alternate taking shared nap most weekend afternoons. My LO adjusted fine to an in home provider who did some gentle walking and patting. I did use the swing occasionally and then would transfer him to the bed. I also did babywearjng and would either keep him in the sling or transfer to the bed.
He's 3 and has slept in a full size bed since 18 months. I weaned at 2.5 and Dad did bedtime during that transition. He still loves morning cuddles 🥰

I say all this to let you know that you can choose to not sleep train and there are other children who wake to nurse. At 18 weeks I did dreamfeed at 11/12 and then prob had 1 or 2 more wakeups but he slept until 8 most mornings and I just nursed aide lying and fell back asleep.

This. The whole “sleep training” thing pretty much amounts to ignore the baby until you break the poor thing to your will. It’s just dreadful. A helpless infant left to cry while the people it depends on for everything pretend not to hear so the baby’s life will be more convenient for them.

This is completely untrue. I sleep trained my twins. It took two days. They cried maybe for a total of 30 minutes all together. Then they slept through the night for the next 12 months. And guess what, so did I. We were all the better for it. Don't shame people for sleep training.

Your kids still wake up they just no longer get a response from you so there isnt a point in calling out for you/crying/etc. Some kids are also easier to train compared to others. I also assume your kids were in the same room so likely they talk to each other and hear the other one and that is comforting.

Also STTN is not normal under the age of 1. It can happen but population-level data shows that it doesnt happen for a majority of kids under the age of 1. https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/142/6/e20174330

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1201416/

Parents frequently consult physicians and infant mental health professionals about problems of night waking in young infants. Often these parents are also concerned about the effects of cosleeping on sleep and waking development. The results of this study confirm a number of previous studies of much younger infants and provide information useful for clinicians advising parents. Specifically, infants who cosleep, at least through 15 months of age, will awaken more frequently but for less duration during the night. That is, they awakened more often, but for shorter durations than solitary sleepers. Contrary to previous reports, the cosleeping infants did not spend the majority of the night face to face with their mothers.

He babies slept at night because they knew how to self-soothe. No one is interested in your personal opinion and dribble about what YOU think this means.

Yes my personal opinions with peer reviewed studies. I obviously just talk out of my arse. Considering you crazies are the one stating that STTN is 10-12 hours when there is no evidence to support your theories or feelings I'm pretty confident in my "opinions".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't have to sleep train. If you want more info from those who don't sleep train then FB groups are your friend, groups like biologically normal infant sleep. I side carred the crib for a few months and then bedshared after that, nursing on demand. I slept 8 hours a night, worked a FT job, did Crossfit, etc. We could not afford to outsource anything but laundry was done and the house was clean if not cluttered.. My partner is very involved and did shifts with me during regressions. I also had to travel for work and he would bedshare after year 1 with him. We both loved contact napping and would alternate taking shared nap most weekend afternoons. My LO adjusted fine to an in home provider who did some gentle walking and patting. I did use the swing occasionally and then would transfer him to the bed. I also did babywearjng and would either keep him in the sling or transfer to the bed.
He's 3 and has slept in a full size bed since 18 months. I weaned at 2.5 and Dad did bedtime during that transition. He still loves morning cuddles 🥰

I say all this to let you know that you can choose to not sleep train and there are other children who wake to nurse. At 18 weeks I did dreamfeed at 11/12 and then prob had 1 or 2 more wakeups but he slept until 8 most mornings and I just nursed aide lying and fell back asleep.

This. The whole “sleep training” thing pretty much amounts to ignore the baby until you break the poor thing to your will. It’s just dreadful. A helpless infant left to cry while the people it depends on for everything pretend not to hear so the baby’s life will be more convenient for them.

This is completely untrue. I sleep trained my twins. It took two days. They cried maybe for a total of 30 minutes all together. Then they slept through the night for the next 12 months. And guess what, so did I. We were all the better for it. Don't shame people for sleep training.

Your kids still wake up they just no longer get a response from you so there isnt a point in calling out for you/crying/etc. Some kids are also easier to train compared to others. I also assume your kids were in the same room so likely they talk to each other and hear the other one and that is comforting.

Also STTN is not normal under the age of 1. It can happen but population-level data shows that it doesnt happen for a majority of kids under the age of 1. https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/142/6/e20174330

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1201416/

Parents frequently consult physicians and infant mental health professionals about problems of night waking in young infants. Often these parents are also concerned about the effects of cosleeping on sleep and waking development. The results of this study confirm a number of previous studies of much younger infants and provide information useful for clinicians advising parents. Specifically, infants who cosleep, at least through 15 months of age, will awaken more frequently but for less duration during the night. That is, they awakened more often, but for shorter durations than solitary sleepers. Contrary to previous reports, the cosleeping infants did not spend the majority of the night face to face with their mothers.

He babies slept at night because they knew how to self-soothe. No one is interested in your personal opinion and dribble about what YOU think this means.

Yes my personal opinions with peer reviewed studies. I obviously just talk out of my arse. Considering you crazies are the one stating that STTN is 10-12 hours when there is no evidence to support your theories or feelings I'm pretty confident in my "opinions".

Your opinions mean nothing. Your opinions are just that. No actual research. No valid evidence.

[Anonymous]

I would first work on baby napping in his crib. He’s used to being attached to you to sleep. Let him fuss it out at nap time a bit. And dream feed the baby around 11-12.

[Anonymous]

We sleep trained DD and it was clear to us it was good for her. She could not fall asleep without us and would wake up every 1-2 hours. She was so tired during the day. She cried for 25 minutes and then finally had a good night's sleep. Don't care what the sleep training haters think, my DD is so much better off and so are we.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You don't have to sleep train. If you want more info from those who don't sleep train then FB groups are your friend, groups like biologically normal infant sleep. I side carred the crib for a few months and then bedshared after that, nursing on demand. I slept 8 hours a night, worked a FT job, did Crossfit, etc. We could not afford to outsource anything but laundry was done and the house was clean if not cluttered.. My partner is very involved and did shifts with me during regressions. I also had to travel for work and he would bedshare after year 1 with him. We both loved contact napping and would alternate taking shared nap most weekend afternoons. My LO adjusted fine to an in home provider who did some gentle walking and patting. I did use the swing occasionally and then would transfer him to the bed. I also did babywearjng and would either keep him in the sling or transfer to the bed.
He's 3 and has slept in a full size bed since 18 months. I weaned at 2.5 and Dad did bedtime during that transition. He still loves morning cuddles 🥰

I say all this to let you know that you can choose to not sleep train and there are other children who wake to nurse. At 18 weeks I did dreamfeed at 11/12 and then prob had 1 or 2 more wakeups but he slept until 8 most mornings and I just nursed aide lying and fell back asleep.

This. The whole “sleep training” thing pretty much amounts to ignore the baby until you break the poor thing to your will. It’s just dreadful. A helpless infant left to cry while the people it depends on for everything pretend not to hear so the baby’s life will be more convenient for them.

This is completely untrue. I sleep trained my twins. It took two days. They cried maybe for a total of 30 minutes all together. Then they slept through the night for the next 12 months. And guess what, so did I. We were all the better for it. Don't shame people for sleep training.

Your kids still wake up they just no longer get a response from you so there isnt a point in calling out for you/crying/etc. Some kids are also easier to train compared to others. I also assume your kids were in the same room so likely they talk to each other and hear the other one and that is comforting.

Also STTN is not normal under the age of 1. It can happen but population-level data shows that it doesnt happen for a majority of kids under the age of 1. https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/142/6/e20174330

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1201416/

Parents frequently consult physicians and infant mental health professionals about problems of night waking in young infants. Often these parents are also concerned about the effects of cosleeping on sleep and waking development. The results of this study confirm a number of previous studies of much younger infants and provide information useful for clinicians advising parents. Specifically, infants who cosleep, at least through 15 months of age, will awaken more frequently but for less duration during the night. That is, they awakened more often, but for shorter durations than solitary sleepers. Contrary to previous reports, the cosleeping infants did not spend the majority of the night face to face with their mothers.

He babies slept at night because they knew how to self-soothe. No one is interested in your personal opinion and dribble about what YOU think this means.

Yes my personal opinions with peer reviewed studies. I obviously just talk out of my arse. Considering you crazies are the one stating that STTN is 10-12 hours when there is no evidence to support your theories or feelings I'm pretty confident in my "opinions".

Your opinions mean nothing. Your opinions are just that. No actual research. No valid evidence.

Sleep trained babies still cry for help when they are teething or are uncomfortable. They just don't cry every time they wake or stir. Sleep training helped me identify when my son needed something like tylenol or needed a diaper change instead of just crying because he was awake.

Actual comparison studies show no ill effects from sleep training. They do show parents who sleep train are significantly less depressed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't have to sleep train. If you want more info from those who don't sleep train then FB groups are your friend, groups like biologically normal infant sleep. I side carred the crib for a few months and then bedshared after that, nursing on demand. I slept 8 hours a night, worked a FT job, did Crossfit, etc. We could not afford to outsource anything but laundry was done and the house was clean if not cluttered.. My partner is very involved and did shifts with me during regressions. I also had to travel for work and he would bedshare after year 1 with him. We both loved contact napping and would alternate taking shared nap most weekend afternoons. My LO adjusted fine to an in home provider who did some gentle walking and patting. I did use the swing occasionally and then would transfer him to the bed. I also did babywearjng and would either keep him in the sling or transfer to the bed.
He's 3 and has slept in a full size bed since 18 months. I weaned at 2.5 and Dad did bedtime during that transition. He still loves morning cuddles 🥰

I say all this to let you know that you can choose to not sleep train and there are other children who wake to nurse. At 18 weeks I did dreamfeed at 11/12 and then prob had 1 or 2 more wakeups but he slept until 8 most mornings and I just nursed aide lying and fell back asleep.

This. The whole “sleep training” thing pretty much amounts to ignore the baby until you break the poor thing to your will. It’s just dreadful. A helpless infant left to cry while the people it depends on for everything pretend not to hear so the baby’s life will be more convenient for them.

My word, you are an ignorant bish.