Cherokee Nation asks Jeep to rename their Cherokee line

[Anonymous]

shameless $$$ shakedown. hopefully jeeps tells him to get lost.

[Anonymous]

The chief's name is Chuck Hoskin Jr?

Am I the only one that finds this ironic? I'm sure his usage of this European-style name is well-intentioned, but it does not honor Europeans to engage in cultural appropriation.

[Anonymous]

What’s next Popeye complaining? The name Jeep comes from the cartoon and they appropriated it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sure they saw that coming.

Now, how 'bout them Fighting Irish?

Ah, whataboutism exists in Cars and Transporation, not just Politics? Wow.

OP. Also a Viking descendant living in Viking territory who understand that she’s part of the dominant white culture and isn’t offended by “the Vikes.”

NP but can someone rationally explain to me how the topic of the “whataboutism” can just be dismissed by someone claiming “whataboutism?”
I get that the accusation of whataboutism is hurled to accuse the person of not focusing on the issue at hand. But it seems like It’s possible to address the original sin AND the sin of selective enforcement. It IS often relevant to “stick a pin in this” and take note that everyone has a problem with THIS infraction, but not THAT (identical) infraction when committed by someone they universally like or make excuses for.
Just wondering when the cry of “whataboutism” started meaning no more discussion was to be had?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sure they saw that coming.

Now, how 'bout them Fighting Irish?

Ah, whataboutism exists in Cars and Transporation, not just Politics? Wow.

OP. Also a Viking descendant living in Viking territory who understand that she’s part of the dominant white culture and isn’t offended by “the Vikes.”

NP but can someone rationally explain to me how the topic of the “whataboutism” can just be dismissed by someone claiming “whataboutism?”
I get that the accusation of whataboutism is hurled to accuse the person of not focusing on the issue at hand. But it seems like It’s possible to address the original sin AND the sin of selective enforcement. It IS often relevant to “stick a pin in this” and take note that everyone has a problem with THIS infraction, but not THAT (identical) infraction when committed by someone they universally like or make excuses for.
Just wondering when the cry of “whataboutism” started meaning no more discussion was to be had?

Whataboutism is only irrational when used against objectively wrong behaviors. Someone gets caught stealing and then complains "what about those other guys that also stole but didn't get caught". However, whataboutism is perfectly fine when used for subjective judgment calls, like the topic at hand. In these cases, whataboutism is simply pointing out hypocritical behavior by people who criticize things they don't like but either support or is silent on the same type of behavior in other contexts.

[Anonymous]

What’s Senator Warren think about it? Is she offended?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm sure they saw that coming.

Now, how 'bout them Fighting Irish?

Ah, whataboutism exists in Cars and Transporation, not just Politics? Wow.

OP. Also a Viking descendant living in Viking territory who understand that she’s part of the dominant white culture and isn’t offended by “the Vikes.”

NP but can someone rationally explain to me how the topic of the “whataboutism” can just be dismissed by someone claiming “whataboutism?”
I get that the accusation of whataboutism is hurled to accuse the person of not focusing on the issue at hand. But it seems like It’s possible to address the original sin AND the sin of selective enforcement. It IS often relevant to “stick a pin in this” and take note that everyone has a problem with THIS infraction, but not THAT (identical) infraction when committed by someone they universally like or make excuses for.
Just wondering when the cry of “whataboutism” started meaning no more discussion was to be had?

Whataboutism is only irrational when used against objectively wrong behaviors. Someone gets caught stealing and then complains "what about those other guys that also stole but didn't get caught". However, whataboutism is perfectly fine when used for subjective judgment calls, like the topic at hand. In these cases, whataboutism is simply pointing out hypocritical behavior by people who criticize things they don't like but either support or is silent on the same type of behavior in other contexts.

This example was neither. Whataboutism is saying you can't complain about A if you don't complain about B, or never mind A, look at B ("the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.") This person is (I am) saying both are a problem, and it isn't a different issue, it is another example fo the same issue (problematic commercial naming practices). Like going down a list and and announcing what is next to address.

Also, the Vikes is different from the Raping and Pillaging Vikes, no?

[Anonymous]

They should rename it the Jeep Football Team

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They should rename it the Jeep Football Team

Potomac River Football Team
Chesapeake Bay Football Team
Patuxent River Football Team

[Anonymous]

At least the Grand Cherokee is a well-designed, good looking car. Imagine how indigenous descendants in Mexico and Central America feel about the Pontiac Aztek!

In all seriousness, though, it's hard to get too worked up about this either way. I get the chief's point, but what about, say, Mutual of Omaha? Mohawk Industries carpet? Rappahanock Oyster Bar? These names--quite different from the former name of the Washington Football Team--really do not seem intentioned to offend. And intention does matter.

[Anonymous]

Cherokees just want a cut. Simple as that.

[Anonymous]

I’d like to see the Ford marque changed as Henry Ford was a vicious and unrepentant anti-Semite. Himmler and Hitler both spoke favorably of him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good. It’s totally gross.

I’m Jewish and let me tell you if a car company tried to name their SUVs Ashkenazi, Mizrahi and Sephardic — well they wouldn’t even dare.

But corporations have been raiding Native culture to make money for way too long and it needs to stop.

Dare say the reason they dont is because the "Ashkenazi" wouldnt sell too many units.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. It’s totally gross.

I’m Jewish and let me tell you if a car company tried to name their SUVs Ashkenazi, Mizrahi and Sephardic — well they wouldn’t even dare.

But corporations have been raiding Native culture to make money for way too long and it needs to stop.

Dare say the reason they dont is because the "Ashkenazi" wouldnt sell too many units.

it would be a sleek long hooded sports car.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should rename it the Jeep Football Team

Potomac River Football Team
Chesapeake Bay Football Team
Patuxent River Football Team

Potomac, Chesapeake and Patuxent are all Native names, lolz! They’ll be right back where they started with the Offendanistas!

Only real solution is a computer generated word invented by an algorithm that eliminates any existing word in any language. And then only maybe.

Some people feed on getting offended.