question about deal middle school and 16th Street heights

[Anonymous]

bandaronline wrote:this will end in 2022?

If you have a current 4th grader that child will be the last that will have the right to attend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s going to be great to have my kids at MacFarland. There are plenty of kids, the school is good size now, principal has his own kid there, teachers actually have good activist reputations, extracurriculars expanding. I think that for our kids next year it’s a bit of a negotiation to get all the programming to suit. But engagement over the next few years will bring a lot to the school. Frankly I don’t want a huge middle school for my kids. I think MacFarland becoming our middle school is a good thing.

Spanish Immersion side? Or not?

Our kids are in dual language Spanish classes, but people tend to exaggerate this. We're talking about 1-2 classes a day for students doing that, and most of the classes are in English with all students together. Talk to the principal or the other folks there, this isn't a separate cohort of students learning Spanish vs. other students. Our older kid is also pretty into the sports possibilities, so having soccer and track and cross country there sounds like it's happening (barring COVID, dammit) and while in some ways Deal might have more, some of these opportunities might be more accessible to students in a 600 student middle school than one with 1450.

So, seriously, I think MacFarland should have buzz. DCUM is like this collective Scrooge sometimes, but I think MacFarland's going to be great. I know we only look like a couple years out but does anybody remember how Deal had this negative reputation, what, 10 years ago? And what really changed? Add your views, but it mostly just seemed local kids went there in greater numbers and then it was well-regarded.

So all that said - our plan is to see you there. Don't want to deanonymize myself, but it won't be very long!

All the best.

The problem is where does MacFarland feed to? It’s not Wilson, so people will bail. Good luck getting the vast numbers of wealthy kids that Deal has. This puzzle has been an issue in many neighborhoods which are wealthy or gentrifying fast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s going to be great to have my kids at MacFarland. There are plenty of kids, the school is good size now, principal has his own kid there, teachers actually have good activist reputations, extracurriculars expanding. I think that for our kids next year it’s a bit of a negotiation to get all the programming to suit. But engagement over the next few years will bring a lot to the school. Frankly I don’t want a huge middle school for my kids. I think MacFarland becoming our middle school is a good thing.

Spanish Immersion side? Or not?

Our kids are in dual language Spanish classes, but people tend to exaggerate this. We're talking about 1-2 classes a day for students doing that, and most of the classes are in English with all students together. Talk to the principal or the other folks there, this isn't a separate cohort of students learning Spanish vs. other students. Our older kid is also pretty into the sports possibilities, so having soccer and track and cross country there sounds like it's happening (barring COVID, dammit) and while in some ways Deal might have more, some of these opportunities might be more accessible to students in a 600 student middle school than one with 1450.

So, seriously, I think MacFarland should have buzz. DCUM is like this collective Scrooge sometimes, but I think MacFarland's going to be great. I know we only look like a couple years out but does anybody remember how Deal had this negative reputation, what, 10 years ago? And what really changed? Add your views, but it mostly just seemed local kids went there in greater numbers and then it was well-regarded.

So all that said - our plan is to see you there. Don't want to deanonymize myself, but it won't be very long!

All the best.

The problem is where does MacFarland feed to? It’s not Wilson, so people will bail. Good luck getting the vast numbers of wealthy kids that Deal has. This puzzle has been an issue in many neighborhoods which are wealthy or gentrifying fast.

That's true if your main measure is the "number of wealthy kids". To be fair, I think the majority of people on DCUM also prioritized that. Sometimes explicitly, sometimes they try to hide it.

Do keep in mind that there are application HS options for kids who are actually above grade level.

[Anonymous]

I agree that "wealthy kid demographics" is the kind of bullshit that DCUM is obsessed over. We're a bunch of limousine liberals.

[Anonymous]

Hello DCUMD. I'm new to this forum and about to enter lottery picks for a rising 1st grader. We're hoping for an elementary school that feeds into Deal. But based on this thread, it sounds like there are no guarantees come 2022? So even if we are lucky enough to get an OB slot for Shepherd, Lafayette or Bancroft, there's no guarantee that we'll feed into Deal in 2025/2026 when we're entering 6th grade? I realize this seems like years away but the first 6 years have already flown by. Presumably the next 5-6 will too. Thanks for any insight.

[Anonymous]

If your DC got in,they would be grandfathered into the feeder. It wouldn't end feeder rights for kids already in school in the feeder pattern. I.e., all the earlier discussion about crestwood and the grandfathering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So where do these particular rich kids go to middle school now? Or where will they? Private?

Crestwood and 16th St Heights is far from "rich"...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s going to be great to have my kids at MacFarland. There are plenty of kids, the school is good size now, principal has his own kid there, teachers actually have good activist reputations, extracurriculars expanding. I think that for our kids next year it’s a bit of a negotiation to get all the programming to suit. But engagement over the next few years will bring a lot to the school. Frankly I don’t want a huge middle school for my kids. I think MacFarland becoming our middle school is a good thing.

Spanish Immersion side? Or not?

Our kids are in dual language Spanish classes, but people tend to exaggerate this. We're talking about 1-2 classes a day for students doing that, and most of the classes are in English with all students together. Talk to the principal or the other folks there, this isn't a separate cohort of students learning Spanish vs. other students. Our older kid is also pretty into the sports possibilities, so having soccer and track and cross country there sounds like it's happening (barring COVID, dammit) and while in some ways Deal might have more, some of these opportunities might be more accessible to students in a 600 student middle school than one with 1450.

So, seriously, I think MacFarland should have buzz. DCUM is like this collective Scrooge sometimes, but I think MacFarland's going to be great. I know we only look like a couple years out but does anybody remember how Deal had this negative reputation, what, 10 years ago? And what really changed? Add your views, but it mostly just seemed local kids went there in greater numbers and then it was well-regarded.

So all that said - our plan is to see you there. Don't want to deanonymize myself, but it won't be very long!

All the best.

The problem is where does MacFarland feed to? It’s not Wilson, so people will bail. Good luck getting the vast numbers of wealthy kids that Deal has. This puzzle has been an issue in many neighborhoods which are wealthy or gentrifying fast.

It feeds to Roosevelt, which US News rates #13,345 of the 17,792 public high schools they rank. Awesome!

Sadly, Wilson isn't great shakes either, at #5,173. Compare that to...

- TJ: #1
- SWW: #73
- Poolsville: #90
- Whitman: #105
- Langley: #126
- Wootton: #128
- Churchill: #133
- McLean: #236
- Marshall: #245
- Madison: #265
- Woodson: #280
- Walter Johnson: #344

Again:
- Roosevelt: #13,345
- Wilson: #5,173

We are literally surrounded by some of the best public high schools in the US, yet people think it's elitist to want better opportunities for their children than Roosevelt and it's little brother MacFarland can provide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So where do these particular rich kids go to middle school now? Or where will they? Private?

Crestwood and 16th St Heights is far from "rich"...

+1. These are very nice neighborhoods, but they're generally not where the rich folks live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s going to be great to have my kids at MacFarland. There are plenty of kids, the school is good size now, principal has his own kid there, teachers actually have good activist reputations, extracurriculars expanding. I think that for our kids next year it’s a bit of a negotiation to get all the programming to suit. But engagement over the next few years will bring a lot to the school. Frankly I don’t want a huge middle school for my kids. I think MacFarland becoming our middle school is a good thing.

Spanish Immersion side? Or not?

Our kids are in dual language Spanish classes, but people tend to exaggerate this. We're talking about 1-2 classes a day for students doing that, and most of the classes are in English with all students together. Talk to the principal or the other folks there, this isn't a separate cohort of students learning Spanish vs. other students. Our older kid is also pretty into the sports possibilities, so having soccer and track and cross country there sounds like it's happening (barring COVID, dammit) and while in some ways Deal might have more, some of these opportunities might be more accessible to students in a 600 student middle school than one with 1450.

So, seriously, I think MacFarland should have buzz. DCUM is like this collective Scrooge sometimes, but I think MacFarland's going to be great. I know we only look like a couple years out but does anybody remember how Deal had this negative reputation, what, 10 years ago? And what really changed? Add your views, but it mostly just seemed local kids went there in greater numbers and then it was well-regarded.

So all that said - our plan is to see you there. Don't want to deanonymize myself, but it won't be very long!

All the best.

The problem is where does MacFarland feed to? It’s not Wilson, so people will bail. Good luck getting the vast numbers of wealthy kids that Deal has. This puzzle has been an issue in many neighborhoods which are wealthy or gentrifying fast.

It feeds to Roosevelt, which US News rates #13,345 of the 17,792 public high schools they rank. Awesome!

Sadly, Wilson isn't great shakes either, at #5,173. Compare that to...

- TJ: #1
- SWW: #73
- Poolsville: #90
- Whitman: #105
- Langley: #126
- Wootton: #128
- Churchill: #133
- McLean: #236
- Marshall: #245
- Madison: #265
- Woodson: #280
- Walter Johnson: #344

Again:
- Roosevelt: #13,345
- Wilson: #5,173

We are literally surrounded by some of the best public high schools in the US, yet people think it's elitist to want better opportunities for their children than Roosevelt and it's little brother MacFarland can provide.

... based on standardized test scores only?

Is that the only thing that matters for your kids? Anything else?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s going to be great to have my kids at MacFarland. There are plenty of kids, the school is good size now, principal has his own kid there, teachers actually have good activist reputations, extracurriculars expanding. I think that for our kids next year it’s a bit of a negotiation to get all the programming to suit. But engagement over the next few years will bring a lot to the school. Frankly I don’t want a huge middle school for my kids. I think MacFarland becoming our middle school is a good thing.

Spanish Immersion side? Or not?

Our kids are in dual language Spanish classes, but people tend to exaggerate this. We're talking about 1-2 classes a day for students doing that, and most of the classes are in English with all students together. Talk to the principal or the other folks there, this isn't a separate cohort of students learning Spanish vs. other students. Our older kid is also pretty into the sports possibilities, so having soccer and track and cross country there sounds like it's happening (barring COVID, dammit) and while in some ways Deal might have more, some of these opportunities might be more accessible to students in a 600 student middle school than one with 1450.

So, seriously, I think MacFarland should have buzz. DCUM is like this collective Scrooge sometimes, but I think MacFarland's going to be great. I know we only look like a couple years out but does anybody remember how Deal had this negative reputation, what, 10 years ago? And what really changed? Add your views, but it mostly just seemed local kids went there in greater numbers and then it was well-regarded.

So all that said - our plan is to see you there. Don't want to deanonymize myself, but it won't be very long!

All the best.

The problem is where does MacFarland feed to? It’s not Wilson, so people will bail. Good luck getting the vast numbers of wealthy kids that Deal has. This puzzle has been an issue in many neighborhoods which are wealthy or gentrifying fast.

It feeds to Roosevelt, which US News rates #13,345 of the 17,792 public high schools they rank. Awesome!

Sadly, Wilson isn't great shakes either, at #5,173. Compare that to...

- TJ: #1
- SWW: #73
- Poolsville: #90
- Whitman: #105
- Langley: #126
- Wootton: #128
- Churchill: #133
- McLean: #236
- Marshall: #245
- Madison: #265
- Woodson: #280
- Walter Johnson: #344

Again:
- Roosevelt: #13,345
- Wilson: #5,173

We are literally surrounded by some of the best public high schools in the US, yet people think it's elitist to want better opportunities for their children than Roosevelt and it's little brother MacFarland can provide.

Somehow Columbia Heights Education Campus is ranked above Wilson, so I’d take the USNWR rankings with a grain of salt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So where do these particular rich kids go to middle school now? Or where will they? Private?

Crestwood and 16th St Heights is far from "rich"...

+1. These are very nice neighborhoods, but they're generally not where the rich folks live.

If you are buying there today, you are spending $750K+. That’s rich. It’s just some parts of town are richer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So where do these particular rich kids go to middle school now? Or where will they? Private?

Crestwood and 16th St Heights is far from "rich"...

+1. These are very nice neighborhoods, but they're generally not where the rich folks live.

If you are buying there today, you are spending $750K+. That’s rich. It’s just some parts of town are richer.

And getting a 4,000 square foot home. I'll take my neighborhood and access to Deal over WOTP any day for sure!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So where do these particular rich kids go to middle school now? Or where will they? Private?

Crestwood and 16th St Heights is far from "rich"...

+1. These are very nice neighborhoods, but they're generally not where the rich folks live.

If you are buying there today, you are spending $750K+. That’s rich. It’s just some parts of town are richer.

For a SFH in Crestwood, you'll need to spend closer to twice that these days.

https://www.redfin.com/neighborhood/18636/DC/Washington-DC/Crestwood/housing-market

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s going to be great to have my kids at MacFarland. There are plenty of kids, the school is good size now, principal has his own kid there, teachers actually have good activist reputations, extracurriculars expanding. I think that for our kids next year it’s a bit of a negotiation to get all the programming to suit. But engagement over the next few years will bring a lot to the school. Frankly I don’t want a huge middle school for my kids. I think MacFarland becoming our middle school is a good thing.

Spanish Immersion side? Or not?

Our kids are in dual language Spanish classes, but people tend to exaggerate this. We're talking about 1-2 classes a day for students doing that, and most of the classes are in English with all students together. Talk to the principal or the other folks there, this isn't a separate cohort of students learning Spanish vs. other students. Our older kid is also pretty into the sports possibilities, so having soccer and track and cross country there sounds like it's happening (barring COVID, dammit) and while in some ways Deal might have more, some of these opportunities might be more accessible to students in a 600 student middle school than one with 1450.

So, seriously, I think MacFarland should have buzz. DCUM is like this collective Scrooge sometimes, but I think MacFarland's going to be great. I know we only look like a couple years out but does anybody remember how Deal had this negative reputation, what, 10 years ago? And what really changed? Add your views, but it mostly just seemed local kids went there in greater numbers and then it was well-regarded.

So all that said - our plan is to see you there. Don't want to deanonymize myself, but it won't be very long!

All the best.

The problem is where does MacFarland feed to? It’s not Wilson, so people will bail. Good luck getting the vast numbers of wealthy kids that Deal has. This puzzle has been an issue in many neighborhoods which are wealthy or gentrifying fast.

It feeds to Roosevelt, which US News rates #13,345 of the 17,792 public high schools they rank. Awesome!

Sadly, Wilson isn't great shakes either, at #5,173. Compare that to...

- TJ: #1
- SWW: #73
- Poolsville: #90
- Whitman: #105
- Langley: #126
- Wootton: #128
- Churchill: #133
- McLean: #236
- Marshall: #245
- Madison: #265
- Woodson: #280
- Walter Johnson: #344

Again:
- Roosevelt: #13,345
- Wilson: #5,173

We are literally surrounded by some of the best public high schools in the US, yet people think it's elitist to want better opportunities for their children than Roosevelt and it's little brother MacFarland can provide.

... based on standardized test scores only?

Is that the only thing that matters for your kids? Anything else?

Here is the rating criteria. Seems reasonable to me!

College Readiness 30%

The proportions of 12th graders who took and passed at least one AP or IB exam. Passing is worth three times more than just taking.

Math and Reading Proficiency 20%

Aggregated scores on state assessments that students may be required to pass for graduation.

Math and Reading Performance 20%

How aggregated scores on state assessments compare to U.S. News's expectations given the proportions of students who are black, Hispanic and from low-income households.

Underserved Student Performance 10%

Scores on state assessments aggregated just among students who are black, Hispanic and from low-income households. These scores are compared to what is typical in the state for non-undeserved students, with parity or higher being the goal.

College Curriculum Breadth 10%

The proportions of 12th graders who took and passed AP and IB exams in multiple areas. More exams are valued more than fewer exams up to a maximum of four. Passing an exam is worth three times more than taking.

Graduation Rate 10%

The proportion of entering 9th graders who graduated four academic years later.