DCPS files temporary restraining order against WTU

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do think dcps should have waited until after the teachers vaccines could be effective which would be around March. I also think at that point they should go back or risk losing their jobs like the rest of the working world.

To try and bring teachers back? Yes, they should face waited. The timing is arbitrary and awful and guaranteed that this would be as adversarial as possible.

But to do ANYTHING to improve the current Starr of public education in the pandemic? No. Where is a improved DL system? Where are mental health supports for families struggling with all of this? Where are in-person class play dates organized by the school? Where is a plan for outdoor classes?

Why is the ONLY solution DCPS or the mayor can come up with: force teachers back into classrooms at the peak if cases and before broad availability if the vaccine? How lazy, unimaginative, and irresponsible do you have to be to conclude that your only policy option is to focus on the one option guaranteed to lead to a standoff? This is the dumbest public policy approach they could take. It’s a case study in how to alienate stakeholders, postpone resolution, and guarantee stalemate.

Haven’t you been watching at all this year? there is nothing the teachers will agree to. Actually that’s wrong, the teachers did agree to a MOA they didn’t intend to uphold as a stall tactic. While waiting on vaccines to take effect sounds nice, it completely overlooks that teachers have already received more by getting their first dose than many others who are still going to work and doing equally important functions for society. Plus, if we say wait til March today, then by March they will have manufactured another reason to wait

+1000. DCPS has to go hard on this NOW. Otherwise, we are going to get to this summer and even when there is (hopefully) widescale vaccination the union is still going to demand unfettered DL. I know that the teachers at our JKLM have been working their asses off to get our kids back in the building, but even among them there are still some that appear to never want to see the inside of a classroom again. My favorite is the peace teacher, who keeps posting on social media about how everyone hates teachers, blah blah blah. I'm like, no we don't hate teachers, we hate that they refuse to see anyone's point of view but their own. Maybe if they could articulate WHEN they would go back as opposed to the constant goal post moving that would be helpful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do think dcps should have waited until after the teachers vaccines could be effective which would be around March. I also think at that point they should go back or risk losing their jobs like the rest of the working world.

To try and bring teachers back? Yes, they should face waited. The timing is arbitrary and awful and guaranteed that this would be as adversarial as possible.

But to do ANYTHING to improve the current Starr of public education in the pandemic? No. Where is a improved DL system? Where are mental health supports for families struggling with all of this? Where are in-person class play dates organized by the school? Where is a plan for outdoor classes?

Why is the ONLY solution DCPS or the mayor can come up with: force teachers back into classrooms at the peak if cases and before broad availability if the vaccine? How lazy, unimaginative, and irresponsible do you have to be to conclude that your only policy option is to focus on the one option guaranteed to lead to a standoff? This is the dumbest public policy approach they could take. It’s a case study in how to alienate stakeholders, postpone resolution, and guarantee stalemate.

Haven’t you been watching at all this year? there is nothing the teachers will agree to. Actually that’s wrong, the teachers did agree to a MOA they didn’t intend to uphold as a stall tactic. While waiting on vaccines to take effect sounds nice, it completely overlooks that teachers have already received more by getting their first dose than many others who are still going to work and doing equally important functions for society. Plus, if we say wait til March today, then by March they will have manufactured another reason to wait

+1000. DCPS has to go hard on this NOW. Otherwise, we are going to get to this summer and even when there is (hopefully) widescale vaccination the union is still going to demand unfettered DL. I know that the teachers at our JKLM have been working their asses off to get our kids back in the building, but even among them there are still some that appear to never want to see the inside of a classroom again. My favorite is the peace teacher, who keeps posting on social media about how everyone hates teachers, blah blah blah. I'm like, no we don't hate teachers, we hate that they refuse to see anyone's point of view but their own. Maybe if they could articulate WHEN they would go back as opposed to the constant goal post moving that would be helpful.

Why refer to Lafayette as JKLM? We know Lafayette is the only school with a peace teacher. It’s actually quite rude to call her out by name on this forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do think dcps should have waited until after the teachers vaccines could be effective which would be around March. I also think at that point they should go back or risk losing their jobs like the rest of the working world.

This is such a red herring argument. There's not enough vaccine! So then that lack of vaccine would just become yet another reason to delay. I'm glad DCPS is taking these steps, and I'm glad schools are offering the possibility of in-person learning so if you want it, you can see if you can get a spot, and if you don't, then just keep on with distance learning.

They already have enough vaccines allocated for returning DCPS teachers. They’re even vaccinating private school teachers now. No harm in waiting another month to make sure teachers don’t get sick and die.

You know that you have immunity after the 1st dose right? The 2nd dose is to prolong the immunity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do think dcps should have waited until after the teachers vaccines could be effective which would be around March. I also think at that point they should go back or risk losing their jobs like the rest of the working world.

This is such a red herring argument. There's not enough vaccine! So then that lack of vaccine would just become yet another reason to delay. I'm glad DCPS is taking these steps, and I'm glad schools are offering the possibility of in-person learning so if you want it, you can see if you can get a spot, and if you don't, then just keep on with distance learning.

They already have enough vaccines allocated for returning DCPS teachers. They’re even vaccinating private school teachers now. No harm in waiting another month to make sure teachers don’t get sick and die.

You know that you have immunity after the 1st dose right? The 2nd dose is to prolong the immunity.

Oh come on, you know that’s not true. Are you so desperate to be away from your children that you’re lying about easily researchable facts on an anonymous forum?
They are receiving the Pfizer vaccine. 50% immunity after the first dose, 95% ~two weeks after receiving the second.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do think dcps should have waited until after the teachers vaccines could be effective which would be around March. I also think at that point they should go back or risk losing their jobs like the rest of the working world.

This is such a red herring argument. There's not enough vaccine! So then that lack of vaccine would just become yet another reason to delay. I'm glad DCPS is taking these steps, and I'm glad schools are offering the possibility of in-person learning so if you want it, you can see if you can get a spot, and if you don't, then just keep on with distance learning.

They already have enough vaccines allocated for returning DCPS teachers. They’re even vaccinating private school teachers now. No harm in waiting another month to make sure teachers don’t get sick and die.

You know that you have immunity after the 1st dose right? The 2nd dose is to prolong the immunity.

My sister, a nurse, was diagnosed with COVID 2 days prior to her 2nd dose. You are not immune after the first dose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do think dcps should have waited until after the teachers vaccines could be effective which would be around March. I also think at that point they should go back or risk losing their jobs like the rest of the working world.

This is such a red herring argument. There's not enough vaccine! So then that lack of vaccine would just become yet another reason to delay. I'm glad DCPS is taking these steps, and I'm glad schools are offering the possibility of in-person learning so if you want it, you can see if you can get a spot, and if you don't, then just keep on with distance learning.

They already have enough vaccines allocated for returning DCPS teachers. They’re even vaccinating private school teachers now. No harm in waiting another month to make sure teachers don’t get sick and die.

You know that you have immunity after the 1st dose right? The 2nd dose is to prolong the immunity.

Oh come on, you know that’s not true. Are you so desperate to be away from your children that you’re lying about easily researchable facts on an anonymous forum?
They are receiving the Pfizer vaccine. 50% immunity after the first dose, 95% ~two weeks after receiving the second.

50% immunity is some immunity.

[Anonymous]

I have lost all respect for WTU. It should come as no surprise that they advocate for teachers - not for students, not for families, not for education. I'm sick of their ridiculous demands and all the teachers whining all over social media. My kid's teachers are failing horribly at distance learning. It is an absolute joke. I hope that going back will be some amount of improvement. I'm glad the DC government is shutting down this ridiculous strike talk. DC teachers are paid extremely well - time to do your job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have lost all respect for WTU. It should come as no surprise that they advocate for teachers - not for students, not for families, not for education. I'm sick of their ridiculous demands and all the teachers whining all over social media. My kid's teachers are failing horribly at distance learning. It is an absolute joke. I hope that going back will be some amount of improvement. I'm glad the DC government is shutting down this ridiculous strike talk. DC teachers are paid extremely well - time to do your job.

Still sitting in this empty classroom. Waiting......

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do think dcps should have waited until after the teachers vaccines could be effective which would be around March. I also think at that point they should go back or risk losing their jobs like the rest of the working world.

This is such a red herring argument. There's not enough vaccine! So then that lack of vaccine would just become yet another reason to delay. I'm glad DCPS is taking these steps, and I'm glad schools are offering the possibility of in-person learning so if you want it, you can see if you can get a spot, and if you don't, then just keep on with distance learning.

They already have enough vaccines allocated for returning DCPS teachers. They’re even vaccinating private school teachers now. No harm in waiting another month to make sure teachers don’t get sick and die.

You know that you have immunity after the 1st dose right? The 2nd dose is to prolong the immunity.

No, no, no, this is completely wrong. You have about 50%-60% immunity about 12 days after the first dose (Pfizer), and full immunity after about 28 days (I.e. a week after the second dose). for Moderna the timeline is a little longer. So those DCPS teachers and staff who got vaccinated last week and returned this week are easily able to get Covid. (Think of the Congresspeople who had had the first dose of the vaccine, were forced to shelter in place with unmasked colleagues on January 6, and tested positive after that experience.) The teachers and staff who are in school right now are perfectly able to get and pass along Covid to others, some of whom will bring it home with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do think dcps should have waited until after the teachers vaccines could be effective which would be around March. I also think at that point they should go back or risk losing their jobs like the rest of the working world.

This is such a red herring argument. There's not enough vaccine! So then that lack of vaccine would just become yet another reason to delay. I'm glad DCPS is taking these steps, and I'm glad schools are offering the possibility of in-person learning so if you want it, you can see if you can get a spot, and if you don't, then just keep on with distance learning.

They already have enough vaccines allocated for returning DCPS teachers. They’re even vaccinating private school teachers now. No harm in waiting another month to make sure teachers don’t get sick and die.

You know that you have immunity after the 1st dose right? The 2nd dose is to prolong the immunity.

No, no, no, this is completely wrong. You have about 50%-60% immunity about 12 days after the first dose (Pfizer), and full immunity after about 28 days (I.e. a week after the second dose). for Moderna the timeline is a little longer. So those DCPS teachers and staff who got vaccinated last week and returned this week are easily able to get Covid. (Think of the Congresspeople who had had the first dose of the vaccine, were forced to shelter in place with unmasked colleagues on January 6, and tested positive after that experience.) The teachers and staff who are in school right now are perfectly able to get and pass along Covid to others, some of whom will bring it home with them.

Not if they are masking and distancing. Very unlikely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do think dcps should have waited until after the teachers vaccines could be effective which would be around March. I also think at that point they should go back or risk losing their jobs like the rest of the working world.

To try and bring teachers back? Yes, they should face waited. The timing is arbitrary and awful and guaranteed that this would be as adversarial as possible.

But to do ANYTHING to improve the current Starr of public education in the pandemic? No. Where is a improved DL system? Where are mental health supports for families struggling with all of this? Where are in-person class play dates organized by the school? Where is a plan for outdoor classes?

Why is the ONLY solution DCPS or the mayor can come up with: force teachers back into classrooms at the peak if cases and before broad availability if the vaccine? How lazy, unimaginative, and irresponsible do you have to be to conclude that your only policy option is to focus on the one option guaranteed to lead to a standoff? This is the dumbest public policy approach they could take. It’s a case study in how to alienate stakeholders, postpone resolution, and guarantee stalemate.

Haven’t you been watching at all this year? there is nothing the teachers will agree to. Actually that’s wrong, the teachers did agree to a MOA they didn’t intend to uphold as a stall tactic. While waiting on vaccines to take effect sounds nice, it completely overlooks that teachers have already received more by getting their first dose than many others who are still going to work and doing equally important functions for society. Plus, if we say wait til March today, then by March they will have manufactured another reason to wait

NP. I didn't know to you posted to correct her. Thanks for the crib sheet

+1000. DCPS has to go hard on this NOW. Otherwise, we are going to get to this summer and even when there is (hopefully) widescale vaccination the union is still going to demand unfettered DL. I know that the teachers at our JKLM have been working their asses off to get our kids back in the building, but even among them there are still some that appear to never want to see the inside of a classroom again. My favorite is the peace teacher, who keeps posting on social media about how everyone hates teachers, blah blah blah. I'm like, no we don't hate teachers, we hate that they refuse to see anyone's point of view but their own. Maybe if they could articulate WHEN they would go back as opposed to the constant goal post moving that would be helpful.

Why refer to Lafayette as JKLM? We know Lafayette is the only school with a peace teacher. It’s actually quite rude to call her out by name on this forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do think dcps should have waited until after the teachers vaccines could be effective which would be around March. I also think at that point they should go back or risk losing their jobs like the rest of the working world.

This is such a red herring argument. There's not enough vaccine! So then that lack of vaccine would just become yet another reason to delay. I'm glad DCPS is taking these steps, and I'm glad schools are offering the possibility of in-person learning so if you want it, you can see if you can get a spot, and if you don't, then just keep on with distance learning.

They already have enough vaccines allocated for returning DCPS teachers. They’re even vaccinating private school teachers now. No harm in waiting another month to make sure teachers don’t get sick and die.

You know that you have immunity after the 1st dose right? The 2nd dose is to prolong the immunity.

Oh come on, you know that’s not true. Are you so desperate to be away from your children that you’re lying about easily researchable facts on an anonymous forum?
They are receiving the Pfizer vaccine. 50% immunity after the first dose, 95% ~two weeks after receiving the second.

Do you even understand immunization? Sure, PP was off base, but so are you. The protection of the first dose is stronger than 50% vs severe covid, though it does wane without the booster. But I get that you have the WTU talking point beaten into your head and your people are out in force on this board this morning. If you are bending the information this hard to support not going back now, don't you realize what you will be doing after you are two weeks past the second dose and start looking at the other variants? The WTU is so invested in not coming back they are unable to see any situation as safe enough to try to provide these kids the education they deserve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do think dcps should have waited until after the teachers vaccines could be effective which would be around March. I also think at that point they should go back or risk losing their jobs like the rest of the working world.

This is such a red herring argument. There's not enough vaccine! So then that lack of vaccine would just become yet another reason to delay. I'm glad DCPS is taking these steps, and I'm glad schools are offering the possibility of in-person learning so if you want it, you can see if you can get a spot, and if you don't, then just keep on with distance learning.

They already have enough vaccines allocated for returning DCPS teachers. They’re even vaccinating private school teachers now. No harm in waiting another month to make sure teachers don’t get sick and die.

You know that you have immunity after the 1st dose right? The 2nd dose is to prolong the immunity.

No, no, no, this is completely wrong. You have about 50%-60% immunity about 12 days after the first dose (Pfizer), and full immunity after about 28 days (I.e. a week after the second dose). for Moderna the timeline is a little longer. So those DCPS teachers and staff who got vaccinated last week and returned this week are easily able to get Covid. (Think of the Congresspeople who had had the first dose of the vaccine, were forced to shelter in place with unmasked colleagues on January 6, and tested positive after that experience.) The teachers and staff who are in school right now are perfectly able to get and pass along Covid to others, some of whom will bring it home with them.

This is sad. The teachers are only"easily able to get Covid" if they don't follow the protocols. The whole point is that places where the protocols were followed have been having in person school all over the world and those classrooms are proving safer than the types of interaction that are driving the pandemic. That's without even one dose of the vaccine. DCPS teacheers are better off than those places with the dose they got last week.